Chiefs Beat Chargers: Jackie Battle Soars

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The Kansas City Chiefs scored a huge victory over the Chargers last night, thanks in large part to a big effort by RB Jackie Battle late in the game.

Have a look at this shot of Battle’s TD. A thing of beauty.

 

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OK this may be pointless question, since the game is over, and we were victorious, but I want other people’s opinions on it. I view most here as having more knowledge than me about the chiefs (though I know my fair share) but you all definitely school me on officiating, why what happened, happened, and why it couldn’t be overturned and such. Anyways, on to the question, on the goal line, when Curtis Brinkley jumped the line, held the ball out, (Like we have seen our chiefs do many times, with the announcers saying, “That’s risky, an alert linebacker could take that as a handoff” well Sabby did, though it bounded around, but was ultimately recovered by the chiefs. How is this a touchdown? Brinkley did cross the plain, though he didn’t maintain possession to the ground? It was a huge shift in momentum, that in my eyes shouldn’t have been a Chargers score? We seen a fumble in the endzone against the raiders, fell on by Asomoah (Sp) but the announcers said if the raiders were to have fell on it, it would’ve been a touchback? This confuses me, can someone please help me understand?

And on a further note, I have always thought that the ball should have to touch the ground, or a part of the players body has to physically touch beyond the goal line to be considered a touchdown. Crossing the plain is one thing, but physically being in the endzone is another!

I caught the same thing.. Announcers stating how Jackie Battle was being risky and then literally 8mins later Brinkley does it and its a sure fire touchdown. The NFL rules are counter intuitive. One player makes a catch slams the ball down in celebration, so now its not a catch; while simultaneously, a player catches the ball then drops it when he hits the ground and its catch.

@ShannonThompson The charger started with possession of the ball (in the backfield) and crossed the front of the goal line still in possession of the ball, so it was TD. The reason they were saying it was risky was because in both cases, the ball was held in 1 hand. A good hit to that hand BEFORE he gets to the goal line and that's going to be a fumble. The reason it's different with receptions is that the NFL rules that in order to establish possession, the ball must be maintained through the catch and contact with the ground. If a WR were to catch the ball at the 4, run to the end zone, have the nose of the ball touch the end line and then fumble it would be a TD. Similarly if on 2 & 8 at the 32, DBowe were to get his hands on a 5 yard pass while jumping through the air, and then hit the ground and have the ball come out, it would be incomplete, because he never established possession. So it's not based on where the play happens on the field, or what position, but rather when is possession established. As for the Asamoah play, the announcers were saying if McClain fumbled prior TO crossing the end line (which I personally think he did) and the ball winds up in the endzone, if an offensive player lands on it, it's a TD. If a Raider were to land on it, it's a touchback in the same way that a punt or kick downed in the end zone is a touchback.

That makes more sense, though I still think its crap, in my eyes they should have to maintain possession either into the endzone or upon hitting the ground. I’m not saying that just because it was my team that this happened to, I have never liked the crossing the front of the goal line but never physically in the endzone thing. Thanks for your response in helping me to understand! I appreciated it! @taylonr

JustinRGroth 28 pts

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ShannonThompson 22 pts

OK this may be pointless question, since the game is over, and we were victorious, but I want other people’s opinions on it. I view most here as having more knowledge than me about the chiefs (though I know my fair share) but you all definitely school me on officiating, why what happened, happened, and why it couldn’t be overturned and such. Anyways, on to the question, on the goal line, when Curtis Brinkley jumped the line, held the ball out, (Like we have seen our chiefs do many times, with the announcers saying, “That’s risky, an alert linebacker could take that as a handoff” well Sabby did, though it bounded around, but was ultimately recovered by the chiefs. How is this a touchdown? Brinkley did cross the plain, though he didn’t maintain possession to the ground? It was a huge shift in momentum, that in my eyes shouldn’t have been a Chargers score? We seen a fumble in the endzone against the raiders, fell on by Asomoah (Sp) but the announcers said if the raiders were to have fell on it, it would’ve been a touchback? This confuses me, can someone please help me understand?

ShannonThompson 22 pts

And on a further note, I have always thought that the ball should have to touch the ground, or a part of the players body has to physically touch beyond the goal line to be considered a touchdown. Crossing the plain is one thing, but physically being in the endzone is another!

DonnyRebel 15 pts

I caught the same thing.. Announcers stating how Jackie Battle was being risky and then literally 8mins later Brinkley does it and its a sure fire touchdown. The NFL rules are counter intuitive. One player makes a catch slams the ball down in celebration, so now its not a catch; while simultaneously, a player catches the ball then drops it when he hits the ground and its catch.

taylonr 10 pts

ShannonThompson The charger started with possession of the ball (in the backfield) and crossed the front of the goal line still in possession of the ball, so it was TD. The reason they were saying it was risky was because in both cases, the ball was held in 1 hand. A good hit to that hand BEFORE he gets to the goal line and that's going to be a fumble.

The reason it's different with receptions is that the NFL rules that in order to establish possession, the ball must be maintained through the catch and contact with the ground. If a WR were to catch the ball at the 4, run to the end zone, have the nose of the ball touch the end line and then fumble it would be a TD.

Similarly if on 2 & 8 at the 32, DBowe were to get his hands on a 5 yard pass while jumping through the air, and then hit the ground and have the ball come out, it would be incomplete, because he never established possession.

So it's not based on where the play happens on the field, or what position, but rather when is possession established.

As for the Asamoah play, the announcers were saying if McClain fumbled prior TO crossing the end line (which I personally think he did) and the ball winds up in the endzone, if an offensive player lands on it, it's a TD. If a Raider were to land on it, it's a touchback in the same way that a punt or kick downed in the end zone is a touchback.

ShannonThompson 22 pts

That makes more sense, though I still think its crap, in my eyes they should have to maintain possession either into the endzone or upon hitting the ground. I’m not saying that just because it was my team that this happened to, I have never liked the crossing the front of the goal line but never physically in the endzone thing. Thanks for your response in helping me to understand! I appreciated it!

taylonr