A Word With Your Friendly Neighborhood Ownership

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“They have an excellent relationship. I understand there’s been a lot of focus on that subject. But in the time I’ve been around them, they work very well together. They have a shared vision for the kind of football team they’re trying to build.” -Clark Hunt

So I guess this case is officially closed?

For those who haven’t seen it, C. Montgomery Hunt dropped a few quotes via Teicher in the Star Friday.  The topic of conversation was the relationship between Todd Haley and Scott Pioli.

Hunt doesn’t say anything remotely interesting here, unless you like reading the word “build”*.  I greedily devoured every sentence of course, but the real question is, what does this interview tell us about the perceived Pioli/Haley rift?

*What is this, 2008?  The buzzword now is “fit”, Clark, try to keep up. 

Not much, I’m afraid.  I thought Pioli addressing the rumor was telling, but this is a very different situation.  Hunt has no policy of silence in place.  He’s free to talk to the media whenever he wants, and usually does so at some point during the season.

This interview was granted with PR motives, obviously, but the timing doesn’t indicate that it’s a response to any one specific allegation.  It felt less like damage control and more like the usual milquetoast praise we’ve become accustomed to from Hunt.  In short, there is nothing unusual about him discussing this situation.

I could make light of a few of the quotes, but I’d be nitpicking.  There is no real foot-in-mouth here.  I do want to discuss one portion though:

“Scott has done an excellent job,” Hunt said. “His primary responsibility as general manager is to identify and sign talented football players. I think we’ve done that really the three different ways you can do that. We’ve identified good players to draft. We’ve filled some very important holes on the roster through free-agency. We’ve also re-signed our talented young football players.

“That’s one of the most exciting things about the Chiefs, and being a fan of the Chiefs, is that we have a whole lot of very talented young players who are going to be around for many years, and we can continue to build the team around them.”

Quotes addressed after le jump:

The Chiefs have an excellent core of talent, there is no disputing that.  Brandon Flowers, Tamba Hali, Dwayne Bowe, Jamaal Charles, Eric Berry, and Derrick Johnson are all Pro-Bowl caliber players, and they’re all under 30.  But Johnson will be 29 in a month, Hali will be 28 in a week, and even Bowe is in his upper 20s at 27.  Not old, certainly, but no longer young by NFL standards.

The first part of Hunt’s quote is a matter of opinion.  Has Scott Pioli done an excellent job?  The answer to that question is ever-evolving.  Sometimes it seems like yes, others no.  The truth is that, as much as we all may hate to admit it, it’s still too early to tell.  I scoff at the “personnel genius” rep, and I don’t like the secrecy, but I’m still of the opinion we could do far worse for a GM.  There’s a lot to like about the last two draft classes, in particular.

What worries me about Pioli’s and Hunt’s method is that I don’t think time is necessarily on their side.  At least not as much as they think it is.  I’m going to underscore what I mean here with another quote from Hunt, via the Red Zone Blog:

”The only guidance I give Scott is to manage the cap prudently,” Hunt said. ”He did a great job of that when he was with New England and that’s the same responsibility he has here. There will be years when he ends up spending less and there will be years when he spends more.

”He has a lot of leeway in free agency to go get football players who can help us. I think he’s done a very good job. Look at the last couple of years. He’s brought in a number of players who were able to become starters or play key roles for us.”

The fact that he’s mentioning cap prudence and referencing Pioli’s spending in New England confirms my suspicion that frugality was at least part of the reason he was brought here.  But really, it’s the second part of this one that interests me, because it gives us some insight into what the Chiefs’ goals are in free agency.  Hunt is pointing to these last two years as a success. Ryan Lilja and Steve Breaston are good players, and Kelly Gregg looks to still have some gas left in the tank, but by all accounts, our gains through free agency are consistently modest.  A few solid starters, along with at least one player per year who actively hurts the team*.

*2009- Corey Mays, Mike Goff, Mike Brown  2010- Thom Jones  2011- Sabby Piscitelli

The Chiefs’ strategy, as further clarified by Hunt’s quotes, assumes that A) They will draft well every year, and B) Their current core of talent will be around for many years.  If these assumptions are correct, Pioli will eventually put together a great team.

We’ve seen Pioli pick good players.  The draft is inherently a crapshoot, but thinking you can draft well isn’t a flaw in planning.  Every team thinks that.

As I stated above, the timing is my main concern.  Hunt and Pioli are clearly comfortable taking things slow.  They believe (or in Hunt’s case want us to believe) a methodical pace is critical to staying on the right course.  A piece here, a piece there, and eventually the puzzle will be complete.

But what if the pieces change?  They’re bound to, right?  What will our team look like when Jon Baldwin and Rodney Hudson come of age*?  Derrick Johnson and Tamba Hali will be in their 30s.  Jamaal Charles, who the Chiefs apparently think is brittle, will have a torn ACL and two more years of wear-and-tear on his record.  Either Matt Cassel or Todd Haley could be gone, if things go South**.

*I’m using the oft-repeated (and oft-inaccurate) definition of “come of age” here. Third year.

**Let me head you guys off at the pass here: I’m not saying I want them to be gone, or offering odds either way.   I’m just saying it is conceivable, by this time in 2013, that one or both will have lost their job if the Chiefs don’t achieve a high level of success before then. 

Of course, other players will have gotten better, too.  I don’t mean to say things will be worse, just that they’ll be different.  Much different.  Meticulous long-term planning of the kind Pioli and Hunt are attempting may not be possible in the NFL.  Things change quickly, fortunes rise and fall in a season, and you can’t always count on linear development (or regression).  Anticipating the future is next to impossible.

Talent acquisition in the NFL is a zero-sum game.  There is finite amount of talent out there, and most teams are trying to grab as much of it as they can.  By setting modest goals and taking things slow, I worry the Chiefs may be limiting their own ceiling.  Careful and smart is better than aggressive and dumb.  But what about aggressive and smart?  That combination exists, right?  If so, can our approach really ever top it?  Can we ever become the best?

Heady fare, I realize.  These are the thoughts that keep me awake at night.  These, and fantasies of importing past Chiefs players onto the current team.  I sure would like seeing Mike Mazlowski where Jovan Belcher is.  Thats a reasonable daydream, right?  It’s not like I’m trying to bring back Derrick Thomas here.

At this point, I think we can safely say that we know Pioli’s and Hunt’s long-term plan.  You can definitely see the improvement since Pioli came to town.  Is that next step impossible, or inevitable?  What do you think, Addicts, are the Chiefs limiting their own ceiling, or will slow and steady eventually win this race?

Note: tmrw I’ll be talking best and worst Chiefs personnel moves of the decade.  Start mentally compiling your lists, people.  Tons of directions to go here. 

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I think it is smart to take a chance on playmakers like McGluster and Arenas. They can make a play that wins a game. Whether they were drafted too high is another story. As to Cassel, if he is not good enough, the Chiefs need to move on sooner rather than later.

@KC Oracle No way. Hang on for dear life! I just feel like we have bigger problems than Cassel. Like, what would you rather do with that first round pick, roll the dice on a QB, or pick a lineman that will help this QB? Most of the time I prefer the latter choice. Although if I'm being honest what I actually want, almost every year, if for the Chiefs to pick the most exciting defensive player. Average Qbs and great defenses. Remind anybody of anything?

@kc Yeah Matt! It reminds me that a once in a lifetime event happened where an average QB (Dilfer) got to ride the shirttails of a dynamic defense and got himself a ring. Not really a blueprint for success. Look at what several #1 QB draft picks are doing this year. I hate to admit it but Cam Newton is going to be a star in this league. But also Ponder is looking very good, and Dalton is playing like a veteran,. There is NO substitute for an elite QB. NONE

@Big Jim@kc I used to think otherwise, but I think the game has changed and an elite quarterback is to key to any realistic chance to go deep in the playoffs. It is not just the rarity of the Ravens one year wonder with defense, we saw it with Marty and the Chiefs all those years. He never had the quarterback of the offense in general to win in the playoffs. The exception was when he had a formerly elite quarterback in Montana who had enough left to get the team to the conference championship. The issue is not rolling the dice on the dice on QB in the draft. It is doing what is necessary to find an elite one, whether that be draft, free agent or trade. It just needs to be done and, as soone as you conclude the incumbant is not an elite quarterback, it is time to move on.

@Big Jim@kc I would say ride Cassel as long as the Chiefs have a playoff chance this year, then switch to the guy from Iowa (or whichever of the two Haley thinks has a chance to be elite) and see what he can do.

Thank you! Finally somebody gets it! Montana almost got us there, but got hurt and knocked out of the championship game early. But even at the END of the great career he almost got us there. It is a QB driven league and that is not going to change any time soon.

@Big Jim first off sorry this is so late, but forgive me im on vacation. I am confused why the ravens super bowl in 2001 is seem as an isolated incident. 2 years later the Bucs win it all with Brad Johnson, at the end of his career! Not exactly a HOFer. 3 years later big ben as a rookie wins it all, he never one a game for them back then, he was more of a game manager than dilfer was. 2 years later Eli wins it with the Giants over Brady's Pats. Would anyone want eli over cassel? The next year worthlessburger wins another one.. anyone view him as elite? Even in his prime? I just can't figure out why people want to say Dilfer was the only QB to be below the elite level and win a SB because of defense, it just is not true.

@Gjrchief@BIG Better late than not at all! The truth is allways welcome.

those hunt quotes were great. does he ever go on to name any of the "free agents" he's referencing? it sounds like he could be reading this sentence off a piece of paper. i do agree it's too soon the judge pioli. his drafting of the smaller guys like arenas and mccluster was a derinitive strategy looks a little redundant at this point. neither are welker/sproles. so his shot at imaginative picks have been mediocre i'd say. i hate cassel.

I suppose there is nothing to do with our quarterback situation but make the most of it, but if Cassel really is the 21st best quarterback in the NFL, doesn't that pretty much preclude the likelihood the team will ever go deep in the playoffs and make the moves regarding the rest of the team very like, if not destined, to fail?

Sort of a rebuilding forever, always looking for parts, never having all the pieces in the same age bracket....At least in 2013, more money HAS to be spent. While that does not mean we will jump into the free agent market, 30+ mil cannot go into the owners pocket every year.

I am sorry Matt I just realized I gave Paddy credit for this article and it was yours. Again kudos for a fine piece.

@Big Jim No worries brother, glad you enjoyed!

Terrific insightful piece Paddy! I really liked it and feel you are right on target. I fear that the slow and methodical plan will not serve us well. It is like a giant ferris wheel that gets filled up slowly but is so busy that it stops at every station so that by the time it makes one complete pass you have to put new passengers on. Right now we have a youth filled roster, but by the time we think we have arrived the earliest players are now on the downside. My feeling is that you must fill your skill positions quickly with about a 3 year gap. You don't want to have to fill all those spots at the same time. You cannot afford it. Number one is a QB. It is a must, and all you have to do is watch the NFL network experts and that is one thing they all agree on. That is why they all want Luck. Then you get the best LT in the league to make sure he stays healthy. We started out wrong from my vantage point. We have filled the majority of our skill positions with quality players, but we still don't have that final piece. I like Cassel, but he is not the kind of player that can take over a game for you. Our clock is running and I just don't want to see this fine group be wasted because we could not fill that elite QB position.

@Big Jim Here's the thing Jim. It truly is a team game. What makes a QB elite? Isn't a big part of it the players around him that allows him to elevate his play? How good was one of the most Elite ever when his OL deteriorated and he started getting hit? Now it looks like Peyton may never play again. The system plays a big role in the QB's success as does the strength of the running game, the D and special teams. There are plenty of examples of RB's and WR's flourishing in one and then floundering in another. If the GM and HC provide the right tools then that is when the QB has the best opportunity to be Elite. I still believe that Cassel can succeed with Zorn and Haley and the Killer B's and JC and Moeaki and Romeo's D. Don't trust those "experts" too much either. That's the same bunch who said the Rams would get crushed by the Saints and give up 60+ points, that the Cards and Fins were going to get blown out yet they both let leads slip away in the end in narrow losses.

You know I love you like a brother, Mike, but I am afraid we will have to agree to disagree. I don't know where you get that Peyton is done. That is not what I have read, but here is the deal. Peyton or Brady or any number of elite QB's are capable of taking over a game all by themselves. Cassel can have a hot day, but Brady can have a hot season. Consistancy is the key. Yesterday AJ Feely had a career day! It is unlikely he will ever have a repeat performance. And I do trust the experts because they are indeed experts! As a fan and a former player at the junior college level I have a pretty good idea of evaluating talent, but would never assume to know more about the game than a Tony Dungee. You saw it yesterday when Tebow got embarresed by the Lions. All the surrounding players in the world can't make Tebow throw accurately. Matt Cassel has yet to show that he can be consistant. I would love for him to be the next Tom Brady or Joe Montana and bring multiple Super Bowls home, but I think if we are going to be honest, he is not capable of that. The key to success is to understand your limitations and try to correct them. Everybody likes to point out that Trent Dilfer won a Super Bowl with the Ravens, but did he ever take them again? Even Dilfer will tell you he is not elite and were it not for a shut down defense he would not have a ring.

@Big Jim Thanks for the love bro, right back at you! Agree to disagree. Tebow got embarrassed because he's not an elite QB AND because they don't have any of the pieces around him. Don't you believe that all the parts around the QB are major components to him becoming elite? My example of Peyton seems pretty evident as the decline of his OL and injuries to his WR's lead to him getting hit much more than he ever had before which lead to his season (career?) ending injury. I had heard a report from a surgeon regarding the numbness in Peyton's tricep being nerve related and that it would not be something he will be able to come back from. Don't get me wrong an elite QB makes the ultimate goal so much more achieveable. Brady, the only truly elite QB, is the only one I believe that has overcome the OL struggles and changes at WR. Rodgers may become one also but haven't seen him face the adversity at the OL and WR positions like Brady. Can't wait for tonight! Leaving in a hour! GO CHIEFS! NO DOUBT!!

Great piece Matt. I have to admit my ignorance on all the workers of the new CBA, but doesn't it kind of make current free agent spending irrelevant? IMO Haley and Pioli have put a highly competitive team together with an extremely modest budget. Wont the new deal force them to spend more? That being the case, by learning how to do more with less, I think it will be a great advantage when the league mandates they loosen the purse strings. That said, I think their long term plan would have to involve a shift in free agency strategy. Again, im not too familiar with the specifics of the salary floor, but those were my thoughts.

@Gjrchief You're right, the new CBA should change things for us. The potential problem is that the last time there was a cap floor (2009) we just didn't meet it, and opted to take the penalty. It seems like we could easily do that again. Pioli really doesn't seem like a guy who will spend money just to spend it. So if being below that floor and just taking some kind of penalty is an option (which I believe it is) I wouldn't be at all surprised if we go that route and still have a payroll much lower than everyone else's. Better that, in Pioli's mind, than deviate from the plan. This is my fear, anyway. "by learning how to do more with less, I think it will be a great advantage when the league mandates they loosen the purse strings" Valid point. I hope it works out like that.

Well, a timely article relating to my prior post: "Our last six Super Bowl winning QBs since 2004 (the year they started making the rules more pass-friendly)7: Rodgers, Brees, Roethlisberger, both Mannings, Brady." http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7160762/nfl-quarterback-power-rankings He ranked all current quarterbacks, with Cassel at 21 with Alex Smith (ranked 20): "You can't win a Super Bowl with either of these guys, but it's going to be fun to watch the 2011 Niners try. I called them "Shooters" to signify that these guys are aspiring game managers … but you don't know if they're actually going to make it. You know, like Shooter in Hoosiers. There's a chance he's giving you the brilliant picket fence play, and there's a chance he's going to stumble onto the court drunk and cost you a technical. You just don't know." At least Cassel his one above Tebow.

@KC Oracle donkeys got embarrasssed at home! Eor-eor! We will light them up in a similiar fashion in 2 weeks!!

@KC Oracle Tebow sucks. Much rather have Cassel than that guy, even with all that supposed upside (I don't see it).

@Big Matt@kc Tebow probably is too flawed to be an elite NFL quarterback, but it is too soon to tell. On the other hand, the jury is almost in on Cassel.

Good read. But how do other successful teams do it? Unfortunately, recently, hasn't it been tied to having a premier quarterback? The teams in recent years who have been consistently successful all have had a top tier quarterback, haven't they? I never used to think that a top quarterback was essential (and it is not for one successful year), but I am swinging to the view that it is essential for consistent, long term success. Haley as a "secret weapon?" I don't even see how he can be viewed an an above average coach. But I guess if he rips off 10 to 12 wins this year, I will need to reconsider. One of the interesting parts of the NFL is that a successful coach with team one seldom seems to have much success with team two. Parcells might be a partial exception, but I can't think of any others. The article said the Chiefs spend $110 Million last year and were 21 in payroll, and are spending $123 Million this year. Aren't those higher numbers than we thought?

@KC Oracle Let me help you see why Haley should be viewed as above average HC. He has taken a 2-12 season sandwiched by two 4-12 seasons fat, uninspired, undisciplined team of young,talented players and in his 2nd season of his 1st HC gig turned them into an inspirational, focused, team 1st group of beleivers who won the division (10-6), lead the NFL in rushing, had the highest TD WR in the NFL, sent multiple players to the Pro Bowl all while being $25-30Million under the cap. This entire team believes in Haley as evidenced by their own words and in the way that DJ or Bowe neither one ever said one ill word towards him even during their dog house days. This team got their ass kicked numerous times last year and the 1st 2 this year but never once did they quit on him or each other. All of our stars are resigning with us when some of them could have probably gotten more $$$ playing elsewhere.

@KC Oracle He is the players' leader and they will follow him to victory. I was watching the Chiefs Insider last night and they were showing highlights from the huge faider win and if you watch close on Flowers pick 6 at the end of the clip you see Haley from the back running clear down the sideline cheering him on - that's the kind of HC I believe we have growing up into the leader of our dynasty. Instead of his beard - His showing of the 1989 Steeler season to the players before the sd game will be recorded in Chiefs history. Since then they are 3-1 and had every opportunity to win in sd (many blame Cassel's int for our loss which is true but if Succoup hadn't missed the FG earlier we would have been kicking for the win instead of running the screen). They have won back to back road games which was a problem last year, had the greatest comeback in our history in Indy, had our biggest road win in 38 years over the hated division leading faiders who had owned us of late and all with having lost Charles, Berry and Moeaki during another offensive coaching change, facing one of the toughest schedules, while many called for his head.

@KC Oracle He stood behind his players even when we had given up on them and everyone of them has become a star (Bowe, DJ, Cassel) Now they all trust in him, calling him "brother" or "one of them" or "another player on the field" and he has taught them to believe in themselves. I'm not sure what else he could have done to be declared above average. CHIEFS WILL! NO DOUBT!

@KC MikeG I agree it is a results oriented business and, if Haley produces a winning season this year (or probably if he gets to 8 wins), he will have done enough to be brought back and they can test your theory about how good he is. He did lose three very key players this year. If Haley is as good as you think he is, then perhaps the most important issue is whether Cassel is good enough to take a team deep in the playoffs. I think the jury is still out on that, although they might be close to rendering a no verdict.

I think you think too much. Steady as she goes says this fan of the new regime. The tortoise won the race and all that. It is a rebuilding process. Say it with me, IT IS A REBUILDING PROCESS. This team had some talent but was pretty baron and still is far from finished. Those older player concerns of yours simply turn into trade chips for the ever building GM. Look at the forest for the trees RIGHT NOW. Or you'll miss the journey.

@Poster 9-9-9 "Look at the forest for the trees" I don't think thats the saying. Also, when am I supposed to do it? Oh, wait, I see.... Its tough to get anything near full return when trading a player. But you could be right about me thinking too much. I sometimes think I would be much happier if I just didn't worry about the front office or ownership. The problem is that i find it all so fascinating.

@Big Matt@poster Of course that is not the actual saying. I tweaked it so you LOOK AT THE TREES (the team as it is) NOW. Enjoy the journey. Don't fret what you have zero control over.

if this poster 999 is kind of kidding while being serious at the same time. they are hilarious.

Excellent read Big Matt! The decisions you mention to achieve consistent success sooner rather than later is a delicate balance. We disagreed about Pioli's efforts in FA this your but as far as I can see this year was one where caution made the best sense. There is hardly a FA out there that is doing anything close to earning their big pay day. I'll play along with your bringing back a ex-Chief FA with Jason Babin - he has been a force and is earning his paycheck for sure. Sorry to say he could displace either of our DE's, even though both have shown signs of life lately. But if there was one Chief I could bring back it definitely would be DT. Good point about change over time too. There is no time like the present and in addition to not knowing who will be here in the next few years, even though we have done an excellent job retaining our developing talent, we could loose players not only to FA but to career ending injuiry too. I'm no big fan of TJ but I do believe his biggest contribution has been sparing JC some of the beating a full time RB takes. I believe we need to make a move in FA or the draft at RB next year for an insurance policy. You missed Weigmann on your FA list who has filled in adequately and is a great mentor for Hudson. Breaston will be considered well beyond solid by the end of this year. Glad to see you giving Pioli some credit for his moves and stating the reality that FA is most often a crap shoot.

@KC MikeG I always forget about Weigmann. He's not on Lilja or Breaston's level, in fact he may even be below average as a starter. But he's basically done exactly what he was signed to do: buy the Chiefs time at center. In that regard, he was a successful pickup. I can't believe Jason Babin got so good. None of us saw that coming. I think at RB we use a late-round pick. Charles and Battle is a good 1-2, McCluster here and there, we could draft a guy late and all we'd really need him for that first year was injury insurance. Good role for a late-round rookie. You let guys like that hang around a while and they end up being good a lot of the time. Any late pick used on a RB is always fine by me.

@Big Matt@kc True on Weigmann maybe even below average. If you go back and watch the games at home vs. the faiders and the playoff vs the ravens the collapse of Casey and I hate to admit it cuz I really love what he has been for us, Waters too. Never gave our passing game a chance and loaded the box vs JC. I also think it realyy demoralized Cassel losing Chuck and having the OL collaspe. With the guidance of Zorn and the incredible trio of Killer B's at WR I think we haven't seen the best of Matt yet.I'm calliong it now too - the Killer B's next year will blow away the Cards 2008 trio .Especially with JC/ Moeaki back. Oh can't believe I spaced of Tony G. and Rich Gannon as my FA's I would have wanted back/ never should have let them go..

@Big Matt@kc Late round RB makes sense to me also as I think the NFL will continue to see the migration to RB by committee anyway. I hope Battle ends up being one of the Killer B's permanently but still waiting to be sure on that. Who is out there for our draft at RB and where do yoiu think we should go with our top picks next year? Safety and RT?

Well we know the Chiefs follow the Patriots philosophy of building a really deep team. For years it seemed like no matter who the Pats plugged in, they did well. But how much of that success is due to Brady's awesomeness or Bellichick's? I am pretty sure the Chiefs don't have a Brady in Cassel but depending on how things work out this season, they might have something special in Haley. If Todd can keep the Chiefs in this thing despite losing Charles and Berry and with the likes of Thom Jones, Shabby and Donnie Washington, it is going to be hard to not think of Haley as some sort of mad genius.

@Arowhead_Addict Funny but true

KC Oracle 68 pts

I think it is smart to take a chance on playmakers like McGluster and Arenas. They can make a play that wins a game. Whether they were drafted too high is another story.

As to Cassel, if he is not good enough, the Chiefs need to move on sooner rather than later.

Big Matt 199 pts

@KC Oracle No way. Hang on for dear life!

I just feel like we have bigger problems than Cassel. Like, what would you rather do with that first round pick, roll the dice on a QB, or pick a lineman that will help this QB? Most of the time I prefer the latter choice.

Although if I'm being honest what I actually want, almost every year, if for the Chiefs to pick the most exciting defensive player. Average Qbs and great defenses. Remind anybody of anything?

Big Jim 234 pts

@kc Yeah Matt! It reminds me that a once in a lifetime event happened where an average QB (Dilfer) got to ride the shirttails of a dynamic defense and got himself a ring. Not really a blueprint for success. Look at what several #1 QB draft picks are doing this year. I hate to admit it but Cam Newton is going to be a star in this league. But also Ponder is looking very good, and Dalton is playing like a veteran,. There is NO substitute for an elite QB. NONE

KC Oracle 68 pts

Big Jim@kc I used to think otherwise, but I think the game has changed and an elite quarterback is to key to any realistic chance to go deep in the playoffs.

It is not just the rarity of the Ravens one year wonder with defense, we saw it with Marty and the Chiefs all those years. He never had the quarterback of the offense in general to win in the playoffs. The exception was when he had a formerly elite quarterback in Montana who had enough left to get the team to the conference championship.

The issue is not rolling the dice on the dice on QB in the draft. It is doing what is necessary to find an elite one, whether that be draft, free agent or trade. It just needs to be done and, as soone as you conclude the incumbant is not an elite quarterback, it is time to move on.

KC Oracle 68 pts

Big Jim@kc I would say ride Cassel as long as the Chiefs have a playoff chance this year, then switch to the guy from Iowa (or whichever of the two Haley thinks has a chance to be elite) and see what he can do.

Big Jim 234 pts

Thank you! Finally somebody gets it! Montana almost got us there, but got hurt and knocked out of the championship game early. But even at the END of the great career he almost got us there. It is a QB driven league and that is not going to change any time soon.

Gjrchief 138 pts

BIG Jim first off sorry this is so late, but forgive me im on vacation. I am confused why the ravens super bowl in 2001 is seem as an isolated incident. 2 years later the Bucs win it all with Brad Johnson, at the end of his career! Not exactly a HOFer. 3 years later big ben as a rookie wins it all, he never one a game for them back then, he was more of a game manager than dilfer was. 2 years later Eli wins it with the Giants over Brady's Pats. Would anyone want eli over cassel? The next year worthlessburger wins another one.. anyone view him as elite? Even in his prime? I just can't figure out why people want to say Dilfer was the only QB to be below the elite level and win a SB because of defense, it just is not true.

KC MikeG 319 pts

GjrchiefBIG

Better late than not at all! The truth is allways welcome.

jackie rubbinson 27 pts

those hunt quotes were great. does he ever go on to name any of the "free agents" he's referencing? it sounds like he could be reading this sentence off a piece of paper.

i do agree it's too soon the judge pioli. his drafting of the smaller guys like arenas and mccluster was a derinitive strategy looks a little redundant at this point. neither are welker/sproles. so his shot at imaginative picks have been mediocre i'd say.

i hate cassel.

KC Oracle 68 pts

I suppose there is nothing to do with our quarterback situation but make the most of it, but if Cassel really is the 21st best quarterback in the NFL, doesn't that pretty much preclude the likelihood the team will ever go deep in the playoffs and make the moves regarding the rest of the team very like, if not destined, to fail?

tm1946 183 pts

Sort of a rebuilding forever, always looking for parts, never having all the pieces in the same age bracket....At least in 2013, more money HAS to be spent. While that does not mean we will jump into the free agent market, 30+ mil cannot go into the owners pocket every year.