Chiefs 2-0 In Third Eighth Of Season

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If you’ve been a Big Matt reader for long, you probably know I think Todd Haley’s “quarter of the season” concept is, for lack of a better word, dumb.   It’s not that I think it’s doing any harm, but I still cringe every time I hear him reference it.  I had thought this was something he’d talk about in his first year, and then grow out of.  I mean, breaking a season into quarters when the games come every week?  What is that supposed to accomplish?  It is, at best, a pointless exercise.

But hey, if Haley is going to bring this team back from the abyss, I’ll play along.  Because I don’t care that we’re playing awful teams here, three wins in a row is something I never thought I’d see from this team after those first two games.  And really, no matter how bad Kyle Boller is, going into Oakland and shutting them out is awesome.  Much-needed revenge, after last season.  So fine, we’re 2-0 in the second quarter of the season.  Or, the “4-game season” as Haley now likes to call it.  Bring on game 3.  I am now participating in this system.

The best part about this winning streak is that the players will be gaining confidence regardless of who the opponent was.  Do you think when Kendrick Lewis scampered into the end zone he was thinking, “Yeah, but this was against the worst quarterback in the NFL”?  No way!  He was feelin’ it, and rightfully so.  I would imagine the post-game celebration was jubilant, and I seriously doubt anyone was referencing how bad Oakland’s QB situation is right now.

“Justice is blind,” as the saying goes.  Well, I think confidence is blind as well.  Winning feels awesome, no matter whom you beat*.  These Chiefs have won three in a row, they’re fired up, and they’re heading back home with a chance to stake a claim on the division lead.  That’s what matters most about this winning streak, not who we played.

*I played in a gigantic rooftop washers tournament over the summer.  My partner and I, after an early loss, went on a crazy tear to win the thing (double elimination).  7 straight games, or some such.  Most of these were against people who hadn’t played nearly as much washers as I have.  Some were even against guy-girl teams (always doomed to struggle in competitive washers).  Did that matter to me?  Hell no.  I felt like a washers god out there.  Struttin’ around, mocking my opponents, bowing like a Japanese sensei every time I put one in the cup.  I was confident that whomever I played next, I would be able to beat.  That’s what a winning streak, UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES, can do for you.  And yes, this is the closest comp I could come up with from my own life.

Now we go home thinking we can beat a team that’s had a stranglehold on the division for a long time.  Maybe the Chargers are better than us.  But we’re at home, and we think we can beat them.  That alone gives us a fighting chance.  Such a quick turnaround.  De NFL be crazy, mon.

game notes after le jump

  • I predicted our defense would get at least five sacks this week.  Turns out I should’ve replaced “sacks” with “picks.”  Unbelievable.  Kendrick “Louis” Lewis’s INT was one of the finest I’ve ever seen.  He narrowly edges my boy Flowers’s jumped route for best pick of the game.  Although Flowers was talking sh*t the whole way in, which I of course loved.  He’s an angry young man, that Brandon Flowers.  In a good way.  I feel like he needed this game.
  • Is it just me, or were they rotating Amon Gordon in for both Tin Man and Dorsey a lot more this week?  I noticed him lining up on the end quite a bit, particularly in the first half.  Could Haley and Crennel be losing patience with the LSU Block Eaters?  Would Beast Nation be able to handle that, psychologically?  It would be pretty hilarious if one of the guys they’ve been claiming was awesome for the past three years got benched (or in Jackson’s case, benched again).  Can’t say I’ve seen much from Gordon so far, but I’ll certainly be rooting for him, if only for the fascinating repercussions if he plays well.
  • I’m just glad Todd Haley benched Derrick Johnson two years ago.  Look at him now!  Clear cause-and-effect there, right?  In all seriousness, what a game.  13 tackles!?!
  • Speaking of that preposterous benching, it seems like Demorrio Williams has been pissed off ever since he lost that position.  If you’ll recall, he was the guy who started ahead of DJ in 2009.  Then when Johnson, who was always clearly the better player, took his job back, Demorrio Speedwagon became a guy whose role, as far as I can tell, is to get stupid penalties on special teams.  It’s too bad; I was a fan of his for his first two years here.
  • At one point during the game I said there was no receiver I’d rather have than Dwayne Bowe.  That statement was greeted by three stoic nods from my companions.  D-Bowe is awesome.  So, so awesome.
  • Matt Cassel had a bad game.  I want him to start, and I think we can win with him, but this is not an above-average quarterback.  Arm strength, field vision and courage under fire are all clear weaknesses.
  • Kelly Gregg and Le’Ron McClain have both won me over.  Unbelievably, Gregg looks like he might actually still be good.  I’ve always thought he was essentially a product of that Ravens defense.  Now he’s out there makin’ more plays on the line than two top five picks combined.  Very pleasant surprise.  And while McClain might not actually be “good” per se, he looks funny, he mixes it up, and he seems to be a really positive presence on the team (you know, like Jones is supposed to be?).  I’ll take it.
  • Thom Jones looks worse every time he touches the ball.  Further kudos to Todd Haley for going with Battle as the primary back.  I didn’t think he’d be able to refuse a chance to feature his boy Jones.  Admirable restraint being shown here.  And it looks like those of us who thought Battle should’ve gotten a few more touches last season in place of Jones were…….100% correct?
  • So what are we thinking about those 2010 2nd round picks?  Arenas got that TD, occasionally does something interesting.  The same can be said for McCluster, although he’s having a rough season.  I’d take Arenas over McCluster at this point I suppose, although I have to admit I’m still not very happy with either of those picks.
  • Welcome, Jon Baldwin.  You look very big.  I’m hoping to see you on the field with Bowe and Breaston on most of our offensive plays moving forward.  Lenny Pope is a backup, plain and simple.  This offense calls for plenty of 3 and 4 WR sets.  Although actually, Baldwin, Bowe, McClain, Battle and Pope would give us a pretty massive group of skill position players if we had them all on the field at once.  That could be fun.  Chiefs fans like big players.

This was a stupendous win.  After the game Hue Jackson said he “gets to play us again.”  Right.  I’m sure things will go much better for them at Arrowhead than they did in The Brown Hole (trademark?).  Word is Jackson also said he was considering trading three future first round picks for the rights to Daunte Culpepper.

We lost Jamaal Charles and Eric Berry and have overcome it.  The Raiders lost Jason “Cam” Campbell and totally melted down.

It’s nice to have some of that Chiefs/Raiders animosity back.

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You haven't made the washers big leagues until you've taken down the "__my last name__ Overhand". It is a technique that many members of my family use and is practically unstoppable. If I ever make it to NYC we'll have a showdown on the roof, or one if we are both back in god's country. (It's really sad so many people have never heard about washers before) I was giddy as can be about the game, but the longer it's been since our win the less impressed I am with it. It's tough to look past getting 6 INTs and 2 TAINTS** ) and only 4 TDs. It's hard to be disappointed with our D, but our offense still leaves a lot to be desired. I'll probably get attacked for this paragraph, but I'd love for someone convince me otherwise. **(I hate the phrase "pick-6" and my brother coined the term "taint" for TouchdownAfterINT

@blockeater Why would you want to "look past" the major contributing factor to our win? "It's hard to be disappointed with our D" awe that's too bad! just keep looking I'm sure you can find something. Our offense, while still finding it's groove after loosing it's super star JC, did have 4 TD passes in our win over the colts, came back from behind w/o a turnover from our D, Battle and DMC both avg over 5 YPC and 139 yards rushing this week and we are currently the 7th ranked in the NFL. Hope that helps to convince you otherwise.

@KC MikeG I wasn't trying to look past an accomplishment of our team, and I thought that would be obvious given the context. I should probably reword that. "It's hard to ignore the offense only putting up 14 points given how well the defense played." The point is the same but I guess this makes it easier to understand I'm not looking past a HUGE bright spot in this game. The point you made below about not giving up a sack all game was something I didn't realize. Our offensive line struggled early in the year and they have been playing a lot better during this win streak. It's good to see our OL getting a lot younger and still producing. OLine usually takes some time to gel as a group and they are coming together. I did love to see Arenas used on offense. That is the kind of creativity I love that Haley is willing to use. D-Bowe is a flat out stud and Steve Breaston is hooking up with Cassel a lot more lately. That is all encouraging going forward. I'm not looking for an argument, but rather a discussion. Such a big difference even though so many people fail to understand it.

@KC MikeG @blockeater "awe thats too bad! Just keep looking I'm sure you can find something" Why the hell would you take this sarcastic approach with a fellow commenter you don't know, who wasn't even talking to you? Your behavior gets crazier by the week.

@Big Matt@blockeater@kc Why do you continually use sarcasm with me who you don't know? If it's crazy to take issue with blockeater being less impressed after 24 hours with a 28-0 road shut out vs the faiders, the 1st in 38 years then lock me up and throw away the key. I wasn't arguing, just pointing out the 3 negative references after a huge win. Blockeater, Thanks for recognizing the stats of our success and hope they help to convince you.

Firing Haley is crazy talk. Am I the only one who remembers the Herm and Huard led Chiefs? Sure he's unorthidox. So what? I love it. I like coaches with balls who take chances. Also, the dividing the season into quaters thing is something a lot of coaches do including myself. It helps keep the team focused on the road in front of them and not think ahead too far or worry about past games. I hear a lot of people dogging Haley for this and no offense but Matt clearly said washers was the closest thing in his life he could compare to football. I admittedly have no idea what washers is but I doubt it's very similar to football. The people I hear saying this strategy is stupid or pointless clearly have no football experience. Football is more of a team game than any other and it is very difficult to keep that many young men focused on the task at hand. Marty did the same thing. So do Bob Stoops and Tony Dungy. The point is I think unless you know what you're talking about you shouldn't makes comments like "it's a pointless excercise" because those of us who live and breathe football see how foolish it sounds.

@big chief Yeah, I remember how Vince Lombardi used to say that dividing a season into quarters was the key to successful coaching (and how distraught he was when the NFL changed to a 14 game season that required him to make each quarter 3.5 games). I think the quarter season approach may even be on his Hall of Fame bust to try to keep us uneducated guys from expressing opinions that sound foolish to the geniuses who truly know the game and who know the true test for coaches is whether they have the balls to subject their team to the whims of chance.

@KC Oracle How clever!

@big chief Look man, I played football growing up, I played it in high school (freshman b team!), and I've watched a hell of a lot of it. I don't know you, of course, but I highly doubt you've followed this team as closely as I have over the last 15 to 20 years. I've been writing about them consistently for about 5. I poked fun at myself saying washers was the closest comp from my real life, and you used that as an opportunity to talk about how much you know about football. Do I even need to use an adjective on you after laying it out like that? Your assertion that all these coaches follow this bizarre philosophy is dubious. Google "Todd Haley quarters of the season" then compare it to a google search inserting any of those names you mentioned. Spoiler alert: lots of matches for Haley, none for anyone else. "unless you know what you're talking about". Ouch. And who determines that, kimosabe? You?

@Big Matt@BIG And Big Matt, don't yourself short -- you know better than anyone that a quarter system is essential when playing washers. Or wait...is it that a washer system is essential when playing quarters. Argh! Gosh, I don't know anything about football or washers. Or quarters!

@Big Matt @BIG I'm by no means a football god, however I do know a lot about the game. I played 12 years and I've coached highschool football for 20 years as a headcoach. Whether or not I've followed the Chiefs as much as you, who knows? I haven't missed a snap since the 1967 season. Based on the picture of you I doubt you were born until about 1982 or so. I'm simply saying that if "sports writers" such as yourself would focus more on football and things with substance rather than personal nonessential things the coach does the articles would be better. This is nothing personal, I rather enjoy many of your and the other staff's pieces on AA or I wouldn't have read this one. No offense intended I was simply pointing out that you were calling a common coaching method pointless. Oh, by the way, obviously if you can't find it on Google it isn't true.

@big chief@BIG "Personal nonessential things the coach does?" I thought the quarter deal was Haley's ticket to the Super Bowl, just like we've heard Lombardi, Noll, Shula and all those other Super Bowl winners talk about it through the years? Are the playoffs called the fifth quarter?

@big chief@BIG More seriously, I"m sure there are other coaches in high school or even higher levels who sometimes divide their season into quarters or other fractions for the reasons explained by Kcfanintx below. Marty? Maybe he made a reference to quarters at some point, but he certaily never used it like Haley and it seems in direct conflict with Marty's 25 year mantra of "one play at a time." Maybe a football knowledgable person like Big Chief can reasonably believe the way Haley drones on about quarters is a smart approach to coaching grown men in the NFL, but I don't think a lot of people (football knowledgable or otherwise) will agree with him, let alone consider disagreement foolish. But if the Chiefs win Monday, I'll join Big Matt in climbing on to the quarter bandwagon with Big Chief.

ps: Marty won his first championship last Friday in the USFL. Guess what his players said he told them all year long: "ONE PLAY AT AT TIME." @big chief@BIG

@KC Oracle @BIG You're totally missing the point. I don't remember saying anything about a Superbowl either. The point is he's a descent coach. His team has won 3 straight and people are going to bitch about the way he does things off the field? Really? Oracle, you are obviously the type of person who likes to argue for the sake of arguing. You missed the point and got way out in left field with your comments.

@big chief One thing though: in my article I did actually say that since he brought us back from the abyss, I would participate in the quarter system. Wins justify quirks. Agree? Disagree? I happen to think little things like that can be a big part of understanding who a coach is. If you want Xs and Os, fine, thats one thing. There are other aspects to chiefs coverage.

@big chief@BIG Agreed totally Big Chief! I have played, coached and officiated for over 40 years and been a Chief's fan since 1969. Yes, that makes me a bandwaggoner but hey i have stayed on that wagon all these years on some really bumpy roads. Dividing up the season into quaters is smart and helps with focus on the task at hand. This is true as a student facing a major project that must be completed at the end of a quarter/semester or in the business world when approaching long term sales cycles or in evaluating employee performance. Some people just have to find something to to complain about - no matter how great the accomplishment. Eight negative references after a dominating 28-0 road win over another "crappy" 4-1 division leading team who has owned us for years, 1st road shut out in 38 years, Six INT's/2 pick 6's off #1 pick QB's and the BEST goal line stand in Chiefs' history. I was glad to see some rays of faith shining through the fog though.

@KC Oracle@big chief@BIG And Haley says repeatedly that our focus is to get better every day. Same story. The quarters isn't his only approach to coaching up our players. Great coaches have more than one line. I think Marty was a good coach for us but he is in the USFL for a reason.

@KC MikeG @KC Oracle @big chief @BIG Yeah. Haley is way better than Marty. He's proven it.

@KC MikeG @big chief @BIG You quote "crappy" when I never actually use that word. Hilarious. "off #1 pick QB's" So now you're trying to spin Boller as impressive somehow because he was picked in the first round? Thats a whole new level. Josh Looney wouldn't have touched that line. Sorry for all the rampant negativity. So egregious. You know Mike, I'm starting to think I might be a.......bad fan?

@Big Matt@BIG@kc In time he will.

@Big Matt@BIG@kc Apology accepted. Excellent point "crappy" is so far off from "awful". Point that you obviuosly can't get or are to bull headed to see is that the faiders were 4-1, leading our division, one of the top D lines that we gave up 0 sacks to and they were 2nd in the NFL in rushing - hardly quaifies them for being grouped in with the colts and vikes (who gave the undefeated world champs w/ the best QB in the game everything they wanted).

@Big Matt@BIG@kc And I'm not "spinning" anything nor did I ever say they were good but they reported the FACT that Palmer and Boller were both #1 picks during the game. Thanks for the compliment though - a whole new level of believing in this team and being able to face the facts without always trying to find fault - I wear you words proudly! I still have hope for you as a fan though - as you can tell I still believe even in the darkest hour. Just remember what our mothers always taught us - if you don't have anything nice to say then don't say anything at all.

@KC MikeG @BIG Glad to hear I'm not the only idiot in the room my friend. Maybe I'm a homer but I just don't like to complain about how the coach dresses or ties his shoes after a severe whipping like that.

@Big Matt @BIG You did say that indeed. Like I said I do enjoy a lot of your entries here. I just had a problem with calling a coaching method pointless. Just because you and the all mighty Oracle have never heard it before and can't find it on Google doesn't make it pointless. I was simply trying to point out that it is legit and the Oracle jumped in with his nonsense when he wasn't even in the conversation. Anyway it got out of hand. It was a good article, just felt like some correction was needed on that particular part. Keep up the good work, and I look forward to the next one.

@KC MikeG @BIG Mike, I know you're familiar with what the Raiders' Qb situation was. Boller and Palmer. And I know you understand why a raiders team with those guys at QB is different from the team that went 4-2 (why do you keep saying 4-1?) . I know you understand this difference. So why, in your comments, are you pretending it doesn't exist? Why would your brain make you do that? Seriously, think about it for a second. Also, did you read the part of my article where I say "These Chiefs have won three in a row, they’re fired up, and they’re heading back home with a chance to stake a claim on the division lead. Thats what matters most about this winning streak, not who we played." That was in this very article. I was literally making the point that it doesn't matter who we played, this winning streak is important. In this article, that you for some bizarre reason take so much exception to. Any time anyone tries to cover both sides of this team, or cover it objectively, or question the glorious leaders, you fly off the handle. Why?

@big chief No worries amigo, its the internet. Made for this stuff.

@big chief "Nonsense?" Darn. Does that mean you were not sincere with your earlier, "@KC Oracle How clever!" when I used Lombardi's heavy reliance on "quarters" to try to support your proposition that all who disagreed with you did not realize how foolish they sounded to smart football guys like you and clearly had no football experience? This time, I'm not going to fall for that "All Mighty Oracle" stuff. It sounds good, and is even tempting to change my name, but it might be another case of you saying something nice about me and not really meaning it.

Okay, overall a very good read, but the sarcastic DJ comment bothered me (surprised?). Does Haley have anything to do with DJ's freakish talent? No. Was DJ consistently using that talent before Haley and co. showed up and demanded of him? No. Every Chief fan on the planet knows what DJ was before Haley, a freakishly talented player that would disappear for quarters and sometimes games at a time while he roamed around looking for a big play to make. Would he occasionally make a great play? Yes, but the rest of the time he was totally ineffective. Now he's one of the best ILBs in the league. Are you really implying that the benching had no role in that?

@LyleGraversen yes, that is what I am implying. DJ was a good player on a bad defense. Now he's a good player on a decent defense. Those two things look very different. Also, isn't the 3-4 designed so the linemen "eat blockers and open things up for the linebackers"? Couldn't that have something to do with it? He's playing THE featured linebacker position in the base defense, if I'm not mistaken? thats what they were saying when the 3-4 was first implemented, anyway. Weakside-friendly. DJ looked A LOT better than Demorrio, and worlds beyond Mays, even in the year he was benched. If benching Derrick Johnson for an entire season was the only way haley knew to reach him, something is seriously wrong there. Also, are we really assuming Crennel had nothing to do with this? Had to be the benching, not the addition of that great defensive coordinator? I'll give Haley credit for DJs turn-around in that he forced the guy to get in shape. And he definitely gets more out of players than Herm did. To attribute his improvement to that benching seems crazy to me.

@Big Matt You're completely dismissing my main argument about DJ being wildly inconsistent. You make it sound like the only thing that has changed is the system and players around him. I usually respect your opinion Big Matt, even when I don't agree with it, but if you're going to sit there and say you don't see an improvement in his play I'm not sure what to say. I don't see how that can even be argued. If you want to argue that they should have found a better way to get through to him, okay fine, but the results worked. In my opinion, DJ was a player that coasted by on his athletic ability but never really committed to the team or worked that hard. Now I see a player that's work ethic and dedication matches his talent. If you don't see that difference I guess we just agree to disagree, but if you do see that difference I'd love to hear you argue that its just luck that it happened after the benching.

@LyleGraversen@Big Matt I'm not sure I saw the miraculous turnaround from him coating to busting his butt, so this may be pointless. "its just luck that it happened after the benching" Well, as BM pointed out it also happened after the DC change and playing in the 3-4 where his role changes. I think most of DJ's improvement is basically him playing smarter. Before he was running around, over pursuing, and just being caught completely out of position. Now he is in the right place at the right time and making the most of his talent. I think that is mostly coaching (equal parts Haley and Crennel, IMO) but I wouldn't credit that to the benching. Maybe it took that to get DJ to open up to the coaching, but I doubt it. I tend to think it is his experience and coaching that has given him a more complete understanding of the defense in all situations..

**coasting. If I could edit my posts then maybe I wouldn't look so stupid all the time. I blame that on Paddy. @LyleGraversen @Big Matt

@LyleGraversen But when you say "the results work" you have to realize what a vague statement that is. Results of what? What did haley, an offensive coach, do to get DJ, a defensive player, to play better football? If it was the benching, why did it take an entire year? That just happened to be how long it took for the message to sink in? Or was that maybe an arbitrary length of time (for an arbitrary action)? DJ made a lot of plays in limited duty in 2009. Career high in picks, first two TDs as a Chief. Responsible for four turnovers and five passes defensed. In very limited duty. Was he "inconsistent" that year, or was he just not on the field? He played less snaps than Cory freaking mays. Also, do we dismiss Crennel, wo actually has a track record with defensive players? He got here, DJ was in the starting lineup, and flourished. For all we know it was Crennel who wanted to start DJ, not Haley. Haley loved Williams, we know that. Speculation? Sure. But so is saying Haley's motivational prowess made DJ a great player without some kind of causality. Our defense as a whole picked up so much when Crennel came in. I'm much more likely to give him credit for that than attribute it to some brilliant masterstroke of Haley's when he was a rookie head coach.

@LyleGraversen Also, Haley had Jamaal Charles riding the pine that year too. Are we crediting that for charles' subsequent breakout? I thought the general concensus was that playing LJ in front of him was a mistake? But playing Mays and Williams in front of DJ was brilliance? I attribute DJ's improvement to the following things (in this order): 1) + Crennel 2) - Herm 3) + 3-4 4)+ Haley

@Big Matt@LyleGraversen Reality check. LJ was the highest-paid running back in the NFL based on average salary per year. His new contract covered six years and was to pay him $45 million, with $19 million in guaranteed money - the biggest contract in Chiefs history. And you foolishly fault Haley for taking 8 games to get rid of him and start JC? Dude you need to stop drinking the hatin' Haley juice. Yes, the 3-4 and Romeo have a parts in DJ's turn around too but Haley is the coach who got his attention by benching him, got him in shape and deserves credit for his success. How can you not see it when he did the same thing to your boy Bowe with teh same results? Wake up.

@KC MikeG @LyleGraversen "...with teh same results? Wake up." Another gem. The irony of being told to "wake up" by you is delicious. Did what same thing? Benched him for a year? Um, point of order, he didn't do that. So what same thing did he do Mike? Seriously, tell me. yes, I "foolishly" fault haley for playing a really bad player over a really good one. Seems like thats the type of thing a coach should be faulted for, no?

@Big Matt@LyleGraversen@kc Talk about "gems" you lead with a typo -weak. Then you foolishly try twist my comparison by saying that I said Haley benched Bowe for the whole year when the point you don't want to address is that the benching approach and the demanding that they both be in top physical shape has straightened out our two best players. Weak again. Then you top off the foolishness by ignoring the fact that LJ had the biggest contract in Chief's history. Don't you think that the GM might have some say in that matter? Don't you think it is on the HC to 1st utilize the highest paid player on the team? You just keep wandering further and further from reality.

@KC MikeG@Big Matt@LyleGraversen@kc Mike, I think the question is how exactly does benching a player make them better? Especially when said player, each time they're allowed to play, proves themself significantly better than the player they are replacing? I understand the concept of motivation. What I don't understand is how starting the less talented player improves your odds of winning?

@KC MikeG@Big Matt@LyleGraversen@kc Continuing . . .Was Copper (or whoever Haley started over Bowe) ever better than Bowe? Did starting LJ (or TJ for that matter?), overpaid or not, give us a better chance of winning than would featuring Charles? Was Corey Mays ever better than DJ? It seems a little absurd to argue such.

@KC MikeG @LyleGraversen The typo was yours, Mike. Nearly every comment of yours contains one. this time it was the word "the". I was quoting you. This is the second time in this thread you've demonstrated a fundamental lack of understanding about how the quoting process works. Methinks someone heard the word "foolishly" lately. "Don't you think it is on the HC to 1st utilize the highest paid player on the team?" If that player is really bad and a malcontent? Um.......no? You said he did the "exact same thing" with Bowe. Like many of your assertions, this just isn't true.

@Double D@Big Matt@LyleGraversen@kc The absurd part is that you don't have a clue what you are talking about. I NEVER once said that any of the other players were better or that they gave us a better chance to win. You just made that up for some reason??

@Double D@Big Matt@LyleGraversen@kc How benching a player who is undisciplined or not performing makes them realize that they need to consistantly perform at their highest level if they want to start. It also creates peer pressure to perform as everyone else that are out there busting their ass are looking at them costing the team because of their attitude/effort.

@Double D@Big Matt@LyleGraversen@kc Finally and probably, most effective of all, is that the player knows they need to get their act together to make pay performance bonuses or have a stronger position come contract renewal time.

@Big Matt@LyleGraversen@kc DUH! I know the typo was mine. My point - which you constantly stuggle to grasp or blantly ignore is you lead with that as your response. Please for give me oh great English teacher for the miss use of quoting using the would crappy vs. awful. Might want to check your own grammer/spelling "Methinks" isn't in the dictionary at my house. You're a fool if you don't think there is pressure from the top for the HC to play the highest paid player in Chief's history. Plus as a new HC would YOU want to try to get the big $$ guy to perform?

@Big Matt@LyleGraversen@kc Using your logic Haley should have gotten rid of Bowe and DJ. My assertion was that Haley did the exact same thing with Bowe and DJ by benching them and demanding they get in shape which is true. You want to be ridiculous by trying to say they both weren't benched the whole season. Fact is DJ started 3 games in 2009, supported Haley's decision, worked his ass off in the offseason and signed a new contract with us. If Haley's decision was so bad then why would he resign?

we were calling gordon "gordman", and a new group was formed: the gordmen. i'm curious to see what lies ahead for this group.

@The Centaur Could Gordon be the next Downing? Who is in the Gordmen? The Mask, I bet.

@Big Matt@the it's nice to have a 'downing' type prospect to follow. i want to know how this story ends. so far it's just me and sess cake in the gordmen