Jason Whitlock Rips Bill Parcells, Pioli, Haley, Ireland, Sporano And Santa Claus

I first want to say that I like Jason because he says some crazy things and is not afraid to give his opinion and stand by them. But I really feel he must feel slighted by SP somehow. SInce he got here his thought process has been about his ego. Not sure how my GM's dont have an ego but I suppose most of them feel fairly confident. Haley is a firey coach it works sometimes and other times it will not. But he is an equal opportunity person. You do your job and he will praise you also. He expects perfection and when he does not get it and you mess up he lets you know. I find it funny that people tend to say that SP ego is the reason he wont cut Cassel I find that funny. His job is to win games and right now there is not another QB on our roster who probably could help us win games. Is Cassel the answer to the superbowl question probably not but he has a solid year last year so you give him a change to right the ship. Also let me get this straight the only people from the Parcells tree are Bill, Scott and Haley? I seem to remember a coach in NO being on Parcells staff and also a coach in NY but maybe im wrong.

I didn't read it so I won't comment on the particular article. That fact is his articles are not fact based and I don't have much use for people with a public voice and an axe to grind. I used to read his stuff in the KC Star all the time. He was always a fair weather fan which is another thing I hate, however he did used to keep the ignorant opinions to a minimum. He lost all credibility with me when he started taking personal stabs at people on the KC staff. A little humor at someone's expense is one thing but he started to get pretty nasty. Therefore I quit reading his Chiefs suck and the world isn't fair to black people nonsense, hopefully he has stopped with the latter, like I said it's been a few years since I read his stuff.

What is it that shows Pioli has a large ego for me it is the fact that he refuses to acknowledge that Matt Cassel is a bad quarterback and he made a mistake and that he was just taking out New Englands dirty laundry: Just think if if he had taken Ryan Mallet in the third round how much better our prospects for the future would be but to do that he would have had to admit he made a mistake with Matt Cassel and as for Haley he is not very mature for the position he is in. He has to be a leader and and not loose control of his emotions at the least provocation. He has himself admitted that he expressing what he was feeling in the Matt Cassel incident. A leader needs to be more in control

And Jason is WAY off on Santa. Clearly some suppressed disappointment from Christmas' past, perhaps a therapist could help Whit work it out.

I don't really see anything of substance to debate, really. Whitlock just seems to be giving his opinion without much to back it up. His only contentions are: Haley is immature and insecure Pioli has a huge ego KC front office is into bullying tactics The Chiefs are the worst team in the NFL Is Haley immature? I don't really know. He is impassioned. Not shaking hands with McD could be deemed immature, but I'm still not 100% positive what it was about, and if it was as Colquitt said that he figured McD had taped their walk through, I can at least understand the urge. But he probably should have fought it. Does Pioli have a huge ego? Is there an NFL GM who doesn't? Isn't it a prereq? Are the Chiefs bullying? Could be. Baldwin's silence on twitter is suspicious. Waters wanted out early on, but I felt like they handled him well by cutting him early so he could sign elsewhere. Also felt like it was the right thing to do to trade Gonzo. Also, their high profile players with impending FA seem to be happy enough to resign, so this argument is tenuous at best. Chiefs are worst team in NFL. This is just wrong. The TEAM still consists of Moeaki, Charles and Berry (and Siler, which I think we miss him more than is acknowledged). And even without these guys, KC is still a FAR cry from worst in NFL. Ol' Whitlock just seems a bit bitter on this count.

I agee with Whitlock on Haley. Too soon to tell on Pioli, but early signs are bad. Whitlock's column is weak He provides no fact support for his opinions.

Those who can't do, teach.. Those who can't do or teach write about it.

Wow Patrick! Were you as surprised as I to see all these posts and the general tone? Actually I read the Whitlock article before coming on here, with the intention of bringing it up myself. I for the most part enjoy Whitlock's articles and think he is on target more often than not. This was no exception. I was particularly taken by the win/loss stats of Parcells with and without Belichick, and truthfully I was never on the Parcells bandwagon. Always thought he was overrated and pretty much an asshole who talked down to players, press, you name it. Also I think much of Pioli's success in New England was due to Belichick and had nothing to do with Pioli's genius. I was also suspicious that Pioli was helping New England by bringing Cassel, and Vrable. Bellichick has always had a reputation of cutting loose players before they become a liability. They unloaded Cassel who was set to become an expensive backup and Vrable was clearly losing a step, but he did contribute leadership and experience, but I don't think the Chiefs were going to bring him back. I really hope Whitlock is at least partially wrong, but I fear he is not.

[...] Jason Whitlock Rips Bill Parcells, Pioli, Haley, Ireland, Sporano And Santa Claus [...]

The power of wins and losses on public and media perception is amazing. Haley gets to KC screams and yells at players who aren't doing their job and he gets KILLED for being a hot head because the team loses a lot that first year. Year two, players that had been in Haley's doghouse (Bowe, DJ) buy in and have great years and suddenly Haley is a master motivator who gets the most out of his players because the team is winning. Year three, the Chiefs start off BAD and now Haley is right back to being some loose canon hot head coach because of the Cassel thing. If you watch the tape Haley doesn't even come close to raging like he has at times in the past. It's Cassel that really loses his cool. I'd be willing to bet $1,000 that if the Chiefs somehow fight their way back to .500 by the end of the year some of the same media hacks that are ripping him now will be writing articles talking about how great he is because he refused to let his team quit and how the team responded to his passion and fire.

My personal opinion is that Haley seems to be an okay coach. Until he wins in the post season that is all he will be. He makes a decision and goes with it. Damned if he does and Damned if he doesnt, and he owns his mistakes and i like that. Pioli and Parcells are one in the same IMO these guys love themselves very very much. I think Pioli has blown some offseason gets that could have helped alot in 2011 If KC has a losing seaso this year alot has to fall on his shoulders.

The only thing Whitlock touches on in his article that I think holds any water is that of the people that suit up mattering the most. The Patriots are successful because the players police their own. His full of it when he says the Chiefs are the worst in the league. We got beat handily by two teams that have proven really good so far this season (Bills and Lions). We only played offense one half against the Chargers and only lost by 3 points when Vegas said we would lose by 14.5. Finally, last week we won, and didn't play to our full potential there. I think we got off to a slow start because of the offseason and Haley's weird handling of the preseason, but I think the team is now showing signs of life (and that's without 3 of our biggest contributors from last year). I think Pioli is trying to get caliber players that can take care of business on the field and in the locker room and sidelines (thank you McClain for stepping in between Cassel and Haley last week). As players grow and start leading in the locker room and on the field, I think you will see us thrive... Whitlock is short-sighted!

So paddy, I am confused. Why is it alright for every single writter on your staff to insult and ridicule every player, GM, owner, or coach on this team that does or says something they don't like. IE Thomas " Useless" Jones. Tyson "Tin Man" Jackson, Clark Hunt "Clunt." It almost seems like your site gets off on name calling and insulting the players who bleed and sweat for us, and the owners and managers who take the heat for trying to put a competive team out there for us. Yet your telling me that if I disagree with some hack writter and refer to him as Whit"less" that you are going to say I went too far and delete this comment? Can you say double standard? Why are you all on board for bashing every one who has a hand in the team I love, yet you will bend over backwards to protect a writter who wants nothing more than to see our team fail?

There is so much on the internet, television, etc, there is a limit of real news out there. So we get media types who express their views as if it was fact, set in concrete. Hopefully, fans will see into these type articles and think. That said we in KC want candy and lollipops, brotherly love, and we all come together and sing Kumbaya together and do not forget lots of superbowl wins. Because of that we do not deal with all that much reality. Who care if Pioli and Haley are the nutty duo, as long as they win games? Truth has little to do with it, reality less. No it is all about "our" Chiefs winning. As for Whitlock, there is truth in some of his views, also lots of venon. That is his style but the fans discount it. In this case, the truth will not set you free.

Once again, the media is spewing news that the fans care nothing about. All of these men, Pioli, Haley, and even Cassel are Type A personalities. They have to be to do their job. When you get these men in one building working towards a common goal, there are times these personalities will clash. I saw nothing wrong with the two getting fiery at one another. It showed me some passion, some give a damn, and opened my eyes to the fact they haven't given up yet. Plus, the play improved. Also noted by an Arrowhead Pride reader, Haley let the situation calm and then went over to Matt to start coaching him up and Matt was receptive, yet no one in the media wants to talk about that. I really like Coach Haley, I even like Cassel too, though I don't feel he's "the one." There is truly a disease in KC, a negative disease, and it starts with the KC media, those that were here previously and those that are presently here.

I first want to say that I like Jason because he says some crazy things and is not afraid to give his opinion and stand by them. But I really feel he must feel slighted by SP somehow. SInce he got here his thought process has been about his ego. Not sure how my GM's dont have an ego but I suppose most of them feel fairly confident. Haley is a firey coach it works sometimes and other times it will not. But he is an equal opportunity person. You do your job and he will praise you also. He expects perfection and when he does not get it and you mess up he lets you know.

I find it funny that people tend to say that SP ego is the reason he wont cut Cassel I find that funny. His job is to win games and right now there is not another QB on our roster who probably could help us win games. Is Cassel the answer to the superbowl question probably not but he has a solid year last year so you give him a change to right the ship.

Also let me get this straight the only people from the Parcells tree are Bill, Scott and Haley? I seem to remember a coach in NO being on Parcells staff and also a coach in NY but maybe im wrong.

I didn't read it so I won't comment on the particular article. That fact is his articles are not fact based and I don't have much use for people with a public voice and an axe to grind. I used to read his stuff in the KC Star all the time. He was always a fair weather fan which is another thing I hate, however he did used to keep the ignorant opinions to a minimum. He lost all credibility with me when he started taking personal stabs at people on the KC staff. A little humor at someone's expense is one thing but he started to get pretty nasty. Therefore I quit reading his Chiefs suck and the world isn't fair to black people nonsense, hopefully he has stopped with the latter, like I said it's been a few years since I read his stuff.

What is it that shows Pioli has a large ego for me it is the fact that he refuses to acknowledge that Matt Cassel is a bad quarterback and he made a mistake and that he was just taking out New Englands dirty laundry: Just think if if he had taken Ryan Mallet in the third round how much better our prospects for the future would be but to do that he would have had to admit he made a mistake with Matt Cassel and as for Haley he is not very mature for the position he is in. He has to be a leader and and not loose control of his emotions at the least provocation. He has himself admitted that he expressing what he was feeling in the Matt Cassel incident. A leader needs to be more in control

And Jason is WAY off on Santa. Clearly some suppressed disappointment from Christmas' past, perhaps a therapist could help Whit work it out.

I don't really see anything of substance to debate, really. Whitlock just seems to be giving his opinion without much to back it up. His only contentions are:

Haley is immature and insecure

Pioli has a huge ego

KC front office is into bullying tactics

The Chiefs are the worst team in the NFL

Is Haley immature? I don't really know. He is impassioned. Not shaking hands with McD could be deemed immature, but I'm still not 100% positive what it was about, and if it was as Colquitt said that he figured McD had taped their walk through, I can at least understand the urge. But he probably should have fought it.

Does Pioli have a huge ego? Is there an NFL GM who doesn't? Isn't it a prereq?

Are the Chiefs bullying? Could be. Baldwin's silence on twitter is suspicious. Waters wanted out early on, but I felt like they handled him well by cutting him early so he could sign elsewhere. Also felt like it was the right thing to do to trade Gonzo. Also, their high profile players with impending FA seem to be happy enough to resign, so this argument is tenuous at best.

Chiefs are worst team in NFL. This is just wrong. The TEAM still consists of Moeaki, Charles and Berry (and Siler, which I think we miss him more than is acknowledged). And even without these guys, KC is still a FAR cry from worst in NFL. Ol' Whitlock just seems a bit bitter on this count.

I agee with Whitlock on Haley. Too soon to tell on Pioli, but early signs are bad. Whitlock's column is weak He provides no fact support for his opinions.

Those who can't do, teach.. Those who can't do or teach write about it.

Wow Patrick! Were you as surprised as I to see all these posts and the general tone? Actually I read the Whitlock article before coming on here, with the intention of bringing it up myself. I for the most part enjoy Whitlock's articles and think he is on target more often than not. This was no exception. I was particularly taken by the win/loss stats of Parcells with and without Belichick, and truthfully I was never on the Parcells bandwagon. Always thought he was overrated and pretty much an asshole who talked down to players, press, you name it. Also I think much of Pioli's success in New England was due to Belichick and had nothing to do with Pioli's genius. I was also suspicious that Pioli was helping New England by bringing Cassel, and Vrable. Bellichick has always had a reputation of cutting loose players before they become a liability. They unloaded Cassel who was set to become an expensive backup and Vrable was clearly losing a step, but he did contribute leadership and experience, but I don't think the Chiefs were going to bring him back. I really hope Whitlock is at least partially wrong, but I fear he is not.

The power of wins and losses on public and media perception is amazing.

Haley gets to KC screams and yells at players who aren't doing their job and he gets KILLED for being a hot head because the team loses a lot that first year.

Year two, players that had been in Haley's doghouse (Bowe, DJ) buy in and have great years and suddenly Haley is a master motivator who gets the most out of his players because the team is winning.

Year three, the Chiefs start off BAD and now Haley is right back to being some loose canon hot head coach because of the Cassel thing. If you watch the tape Haley doesn't even come close to raging like he has at times in the past. It's Cassel that really loses his cool.

I'd be willing to bet $1,000 that if the Chiefs somehow fight their way back to .500 by the end of the year some of the same media hacks that are ripping him now will be writing articles talking about how great he is because he refused to let his team quit and how the team responded to his passion and fire.

My personal opinion is that Haley seems to be an okay coach. Until he wins in the post season that is all he will be. He makes a decision and goes with it. Damned if he does and Damned if he doesnt, and he owns his mistakes and i like that.

Pioli and Parcells are one in the same IMO these guys love themselves very very much. I think Pioli has blown some offseason gets that could have helped alot in 2011 If KC has a losing seaso this year alot has to fall on his shoulders.