The Counterpunch

by Charlie Weis

Chan Gailey, the original offensive coordinator of the Pioli/Haley era, was served his pink slip by Todd Haley less than two weeks before the start of the 2009 season. Apparently Gailey never forgot that firing and who can blame him considering it occurred at a time when his prospects of finding another respectable coaching job anytime before the next season were probably slim to none? In a Radio 610 interview during the week leading up to his week 1 match-up, Gailey made it pretty clear that his firing from the Chiefs did not sit well him. Following the humiliating defeat his team served up in Arrowhead, his exact words after the game were “It feels good . . . You’re lying if you say it doesn’t. It does. It feels good.”

Gailey didn’t just beat Haley. He outcoached him in every aspect of the game. Gailey also had a few other things to say about his coaching philosophy that I find somewhat pertinent to the situation, if not in total contrast (I suspect even specifically targeted) to Haley’s own approach of breaking the season up into four segments and his monotone mantra-chant of “just trying to get a little bit better” each week.

Here’s what I’m talking about, in Gailey’s own words: “If you say, ‘Well I hope we’re a little bit better than last year,’ you ought to get out. That’s wrong. I expect to win every one of them. I expect to be undefeated. That’s the way I’ve always been, and that’s the way I’ll always be. I want to be 1-0 after this one and whoever we play second, I want to be 2-0.”

Did you catch that?

I’ll go a step further. I believe last Sunday’s game may very well determine more than simply who won the game, if not its subtle battle of wits. I’ll explain what I mean after the break.

Let’s begin all this by, once and for all, dispelling some popular myths.

Myth #1: Todd Haley’s tough conditioning regimen prevents injuries.

Truth: Todd Haley’s conditioning regimen obsesses on getting players slimmed down to what Todd Haley feels is the proper weight for their position. The problem with this is that such an approach can be highly suspect when it comes to linemen. The fact that both sides of our line were regularly getting manhandled by bigger, more physical lines for most of last season serves as Exhibit A as to why Haley’s weight loss obsession may not be all that sound. Needless to say, the loss of Berry, Moeaki, and Siler for the entire season should serve as proof enough that Haley’s conditioning program is no better than any other at preventing injuries.

Not convinced about that? Go ask Matt Cassel how his ribs are feeling.

Myth #2: Todd Haley is a brilliant offensive mind.

Truth: Todd Haley has done nothing since his arrival in KC to prove he is anything special when it comes to putting together an offense. What’s more, Todd Haley has gone so far as to bench his best quarterback, demote his best receiver, and hold back his best running back (for two seasons straight – even in a playoff game no less!).

If that were not enough, Haley’s my-way-or-the-highway attitude undoubtedly contributed to the departure of both a future Hall of Fame tight end and perennial Pro Bowl left guard. Can anyone actually still believe that this team is better off this season as a result of Waters’ departure after having just borne witness to the performances of Lilja and Asamoah? This is brilliance?

Last point about this myth – a brilliant mind is neither closed, nor dogmatically confrontational. It is collegial. It is becoming increasing obvious that both our quarterback and offense exceled under the skilled and experienced guidance of Charlie Weis. Alas, the improvements that we witnessed began to dissipate as Weis progressively saw his authority over the offense be steadily stripped away from him. We know this happened because Matt Cassel himself has said that Coach Haley began to assert more control over the play calling later in the season.

You can believe that Weis’ decision to leave was motivated purely by personal, family reasons if you want. The only evidence I need is how the tail end of last season went and how it’s starting off this year. Bottom line, had Weis been happy with the situation, he would still be here.

Myth #3: The right 53

Truth: The right 53, assuming that’s supposed to mean a successful football franchise, is not happening in KC. Pioli and Haley love to use little phrases like ”starting to get it” and “on board” to describe players that fit the definition of “right 53.” What this actually belies is an arrogant, condescending approach to the manner in which they identify, evaluate, communicate and work with, and ultimate develop roster talent. What I mean by that is that they think that players like Tony Gonzalez, Brian Waters, Bernard Pollard, and Jarrad Page can’t help the team because, quite simply, they are players who are not afraid to offer input, bring their own style of leadership, or both.

I’ve often said that if Derrick Thomas were playing today, the current regime would not want him to be a part of this organization. I believe that with all my heart.

The core problem with this myth is that good leaders, and by that I am including football coaches and general managers, know how to deal with and adapt to different personalities to get the most out of them. We simply have yet to see that in either Haley or Pioli.

Myth #4: Todd Haley knows all about coaching receivers up to an elite level.

Truth: Since Todd Haley’s arrival, Dwayne Bowe is the only receiver to put up respectable numbers. People seem quick to point out that Bowe is an amazing receiver, thanks to Todd Haley’s influence. What people seem just as quick to forget is that Bowe put up some pretty respectable numbers before Haley even got here and in spite of that, Bowe, just like Jamaal Charles, spent a good deal of time warming the bench during Haley’s first season as head coach. Even if we are to give Haley a pass on Bowe, which I’m reluctant to do, specifically what other Chiefs’ player has he developed into a productive receiver?

Myth #5: Scott Pioli is a personnel genius.

Truth: Based on his three drafts, along with his activity/acquisitions in free agency, and “scouring the waiver wire,” Scott Pioli certainly does not appear to be any kind of wizard when it comes to identifying and acquiring players that are capable of providing the kind of help the Chiefs have needed. Out of all his drafts to date, aside from Eric Berry and perhaps Tony Moeaki, there really are not any players one can point to as big-time playmakers. Even the selection of Moeaki can be questioned to some degree because Pioli knew going in that Moeaki had a history of being regularly sidelined by injuries.

Frankly, I’m even ready to question the wisdom of this most recent draft considering he could have had the likes of Phil Taylor (already starting for the Browns) and Randall Cobb (scoring 14 of the Packers’ 42 points in their 8-point win over the Saints)? Granted, Baldwin remains an unknown but the fact also remains that unlike either of the two players just mentioned, neither Baldwin nor Hudson have yet to make any kind of significant impact for the Chiefs, nor does it appear either one of them will anytime soon.

The one question that I think really begs asking here though is whether Pioli and/or Haley have created an environment, whether in fact or by reputation, that most quality free agents simply will not tolerate? If so, that could explain a lot about why we never seem able to bring in top-tier players from elsewhere.

Enough myth busting for now. I really want to get back to my point about the underlying significance of last week’s loss to the Bills. That point is pretty simple and pretty blunt: Todd Haley has never been in greater danger of losing his job more than right now and how he manages this week will determine his future in KC. I am not talking about a sudden firing, but rather saying that the wheels that will ultimately determine his fate here are now set in motion.

It is upon Todd Haley to unify this team right now so that last week’s debacle does not lead to a further dismantling in Detroit. If he is incapable of doing that, this thing is going to snowball fast; he’ll lose a lot of games, he’ll lose his locker room, and at the end of the day, he’ll lose his job. In other words, Chan Gailey’s blow last Sunday will exact a perfect revenge, i.e., a first-round knockout punch that does unto Todd Haley what Todd Haley did unto Chan Gailey.

That’s my take.

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@Double D@TrappedInDonkeyland I never insulted your person. Debate requires the presentation of the opposite point of view. The winner is decided by the best delivered offering of ALL the FACTS. I simply provided facts that clearly disproved your negative forecast. Sorry if you were personally offended being compared to the most famous forecaster of doomsday.

@Double D Your #4 Myth wasn't limited to Haley's time in KC - only you're "truth" to disprove it - another gapping hole created by ignoring the facts! I'll take the W on ALL points until you answer the facts of my counter punches. You have failed repeatedly to address multiple points of fact I have made that punch holes in your negative forecast but since your a fan I'll answer yours. In the short time Haley has had we have drafted only QL - who was so bad we tried to convert him to CB. Everyone else has been UDRFA who hardly ever make the roster let alone become even good WR's or the talentless crap he "inherited" that the previous coach couldn't coach up or the low $$ has been FA's. So to answer your question which wants to obviuosly ignore Haley's record of success w/ 1st rounders AND many others - None - YET. But I'm sure you already know that there will be none since you can see the future so clearly. Now humor me and answer just one for me - which WR on our roster had enough talent/potential to be coached up by any coach but Haley failed on and that has gone on to be successfully coached up by another? GIGO - Garbage In Garbage Out.

@KC MikeG@TrappedInDonkeyland You both apparently are of the belief personal insults are an acceptable form of debate. So with that, I'm just going to go ahead and bow out of this discussion. If you feel that means a win for you guys, then so be it.

@KC MikeG Just name me one Chiefs receiver, other than the 1st round pick he inherited, that's he coached up into an elite receiver and I'll give you the W on #4.

@Double D@TrappedInDonkeyland And he's down for the count folks! Better bring a stretcher for this one!

@Double D@TrappedInDonkeyland And he's down for the count!! Better bring a stretcher for this one.

@LyleGraversen Right on Lyle! really tired of the Nostradamus and Chicken little approach to completely failing to address the facts we state just to cling to their doom and gloom.

@Double D Yes I have the gall - you're the one forecasting the collapse while not facing the facts I stated. Trying addressing the facts that obviously disprove your so called "dissapation" post Chuck or the fact that more than Berry contributed or the successful WR's Haley coached that weren't 1st round picks or what talented WR Haley didn't coach up or or how they created a bad environment by bringing in character heavy FA's and drafted team captains or how Pollard, Page or any other FA they let go is lighting it up somewhere else - even Tony's #'s are declining.

@Double D Not just "get it" guys but Pro Bowlers - Fitz, Bowe, Keyshawn, Booker. He had 3 WR's over a 1,000 yards in 2008 capping 4 years in a row that he had at least one 1,000 yard WR and one 800+ yard WR. You forgot Pro Bowlers Breaston - rookie year 9 REC to 77 REC and 1,000 yards and Pro Bowler Boldin's stats improved, back to back 1,000 yard years from Terry Glenn, walk on "Mr. 3rd Down" Chrebet with 3rd most receptions in the history of the NFL among players who were not drafted and Austin 2009 and 2010 Pro Bowler speak highly of him. Were they all 1st rounders too? And how many 1st round picks have been busts across the NFL? Tons at every position. There are NO guarantees.

@Double D Tony also said? What the hell? Tony wanted out. He wanted out before either Haley or Piloi got here. Most every fan I know think it was a respectful decision on their part to give a legend a chance to go for his ring on a contender after he had given his entire career to an unsuccessful team. Again Tony wanted it so you can't blame it on them. Agree completely that Tony was top shelf in every way for us, loved watching him play and wore his jersey every game for another year even he left.

@Double D I never claimed I had a scoop. Try reading my disclaimer and I'm sorry if the truth punches holes in your myth. Wow Mr. Both ways. Chuck gets the credit in KC but the HC gets it in AZ. Sounds like no matter what Haley doesn't get the credit with you. Yes Chuck helped Cassel and that's why Haley got Zorn in to fill the void and continue Matt's development. Flacco was pissed he lost him so let's not give Haley or Pioli any credit for that either.

@Double D Wrong! JC and our "crappy" OL get most of the credit. Haley inherited the LJ problem and he was gone by midseason even after we paid him big but I'm sure Haley deserves NO credit for either. Wrong again! Haley gets the credit he desrves for his role as the leader of this team. He gets specific credit for the WR growth and production in AZ while the HC gets his for the team as a whole. Exactly the same standard for both which is only one way. You said Haley has done nothing to show he is special but then blantly ignore the facts of our offensive achievements last year. YOU can't have it both ways. Try addressing the facts I listed and how they don't show anything special about Haley or does Chuck get all the credit - sounds like your the one having it both ways!

@Double D If no one has blamed Haley's conditioning program for the injuries and he never said that his program would do this then where did the myth come from but from the author? all he said is that he was approaching it in the manner that he felt was best for our players not having off season training.

Man...... such negativity! That is some well thought out and grammatically correct Haley bashing. Now let's all move on to something relevant.

Am I the only one who likes that we used Charles like a workhorse? Screw giving the ball to anyone else except to give Charles a breather. @bodeecat @Double D

I gon't think Gaither was meant to be a genious signing, just a low-risk, high-reward signing. I can almost guarantee that we took a look at Gaither because Albert wanted us to, they're good friends and played on the same line in high school.@tm1946

@Double D Give McLain the ball a few times. Hmmmm, what a concept. Thunder and lightning. I'll take credit for that idea.....NOT!

@LyleGraversen How can you blame Todd...or even Scott for Clarkie's REFUSAL to spend that money on DESPERATELY needed talent.

@LyleGraversen How can you blame Haley...or even Pioli for Clarkie's refusal to spend that money on talented players that we DESPERATELy NEED

@LyleGraversen Not Haley's fault that Clarkie refuses to spend that money!

@agent187 Lewis was good last year. Remember...he was a rook starting next to our #1 pick. No wonder he was mostly ingnored. Sheff definitely has promise...would have contributed last year if it wasnt for the injury in preseason

@Kyle76 Cowher is NOT coming to KC...no matter how much you beg and grovel! Get past that thought!

@Double D Love the 2nd paragraph. The first?...meh? LJ is a criminal sociopath that really NOONE can control. And I mean NO ONE!

@Double D I love the 2nd paragraph. The first...meh?

@Double D That is what we call 'LIP SERVICE' or 'GRIN FOCKING" Gonzo wanted O-U-T...PERIOD!

@Double D Chuck was leaving...REGARDLESS of whether he was happy here...or not. Family DOES matter to MOST ppl, apparently...not to you! Otherwise, Cowher would still be in the Burg.

@DavidFritch Might look in the mirror. Got season tickets, use them or sell them. Cheer Chiefs or boo Pioli/Hunt/Haley/disliked player. It is Hunt's Chiefs but for all the millions he makes, they will not sooth his ego if his stadium is empty. Lots of empty seats on TV makes him look bad. But go to games and enjoy yourselfs. Time usually solves most questions. Chiefs on the edge of greatness or sliding back to the ooze of bottomfeeders with last years 10 wins a vague memory.

I JUST WANT TO KNOW WHO TO BLAME!!! I WANT A SUMMARY OUTLINE ON MY DESK BY NOON!! AND I WANT BULLET POINTS!!! NOW HURRY!!! No scratch the bullet points. I want a top ten countdown with an inverse ratio of the last 2 years performance in contrast to league averages!!! GO GO GO I MUST KNOW WHO TO BLAME!!!

I JUST WANT TO KNOW WHO TO BLAME!!! I WANT TO HAVE A SUMMARY OUTLINE ON MY DESK BY NOON!! AND I WANT BULLET POINTS!!! No scratch the bullet points. I want a top ten countdown with an inverse ratio of the last 2 years performance in contrast to league averages!!! GO GO GO I MUST KNOW WHO TO BLAME!!!

@MichaelShaw@Double D In regard to size, it depends on the player. Seen Tim Grunhardt recently, probably down 60 lbs or more from playing days. he could carry the weight and preform awfully well. Lean and mean is fine if you can STILL do the job but if you are getting pushed around by your opponents, a little weight might help. Another crackedpot Haley/Pioli everyone fits in the same box approach. As for Jackson, why would I give a rat's *** if he is a stud by the end of the year. I want players on the field NOW. Generous of you to give Gaither a position. he was inactive last week for I guess the coaches might not agree so much. Fear this signing was if he ever gets on the field, won't I look like a genius for signing him, if not , he is cheap and looks good standing around on the side lines and counts as a FA signing.

@KC MikeG The Point I think is that he (and I) give more credit to C. Wies for that.

@Double D Sorry DD. I have to agree with Lyle on this one. Having them "beefier" would almost certainly be worse than having them lean mean fighting machines. I know he hasn't shown up yet (after ONE GAME) but I truly believe if Jackson DID actually work out with an MMA star, then he is going to be a stud by the end of the year. The workouts those guys do are intense and they tend to make you stronger both physically and mentally. I don't think our offensive line needs more beef, except may for kicking BRich to the freaking curb and letting Gaither have the right side of the line. As for Lilja and Asamoah, I think they will be fine after a few games. If you look across the league, there are a lot of teams that people thought would look great week one and didn't. Give it a game or two more before we start freaking out.

@KC MikeG #4) Go read my response to Lyle on this. I'm pretty happy to stick with that answer. #5) And you have the gall to call me Nostradamus?

@KC MikeG #3) Tony also said he would continue to work hard and do whatever he was asked if the Chiefs intended to keep him. Don't forget that even though he wanted to leave, his 2008 season was among his best ever. All proof that he is the consumate professional and exemplifying of the type of player I described in my #3 response to Lyle. Bottom line, it was Pioli and Haley who made the decision to trade him, not Gonzalez.

@KC MikeG #2 cont'd: On Weis, great inside source first of all. Quite the scoop on your part. Like I said, if "Chuck" was happy here, he wouldn't have left and yes I am inclined to give Weis most of the credit for our offense last season (and yes Charles, Bowe, and Moeaki deserve a lot of credit in their own right) and especially for Cassel's progress last season. Cassel himself has said as much.

@KC MikeG #2) Let me guess, you think Haley gets all the credit for Jamaal Charles and none of the blame for LJ and TJ, right? I'm also guessing you think that Haley as head coach gets all the credit for the Chiefs' progress on offense last season while Ken Whisenhunt gets none of the credit for the offense that took the Cards to the Superbowl, right? I say you can't have it both ways. If you're thinking I'm one of those who hopes the Chiefs fall on their face this year so they can draft Andrew Luck, you're sadly mistaken. Read the closing paragraph of my post. I expect Haley to clean this mess up but if he can't, then there's nothing wrong with saying that this will likely be a horrible year for the Chiefs and that Haley will likely lose his job as a result. The reality is that that's just the way it works in the NFL.

@KC MikeG #1) I have never blamed Haley's conditioning program for injuries nor do I know of anyone else who has made such an assertion. What I said is that basically his approach to conditioning is not any better than any other at preventing ACL injuries or protecting the starting QB from getting hurt. There were players who in fact got and/or played hurt last season just none that were of Berry's stature. That Haley does something magical with his approach to conditioning is a myth.

@KC MikeG And you accuse me of being Nostramus?

@LyleGraversen Probably.

@TrappedInDonkeyland Classy TIDL.

@Double D Not just "get it" guys but Pro Bowlers - Bowe, Keyshawn, Booker. He had 3 WR's over a 1,000 yards in 2008 capping 4 years in a row that he had at least one 1,000 yard WR and one 800+ yard WR. You forgot Pro Bowlers Breaston - rookie year 9 REC to 77 REC and 1,000 yards and Pro Bowler Boldin's stats improved, back to back 1,000 yard years from Terry Glenn, walk on "Mr. 3rd Down" Chrebet with 3rd most receptions in the history of the NFL among players who were not drafted and Austin 2009 and 2010 Pro Bowler speak highly of him. And how many 1st round picks have been busts across the NFL? Tons at every position. There are NO guarantees.

The "environment" Pioli and Haley have created have not brought in any Super Stars other than Romeo and Chuck but FA's Pope, Perv, TJ, Lija, Weigmann, Cassel, Vrabel, BRich (run game last year only) all played major roles on the field and towrds the "environment". It is ridiculous to even talk about getting rid of Haley or Pioli. What would have happened if we had done that after the debacle in denver last year? Yes, there have been mistakes made. No I don't agree with every decision made. Yes, rookies and FA's have not performed. Yes, I am concerned, even scared to death on some days since Sunday but we all need to get a grip on reality. Let's allow the Chiefs play it out before we go Chicken Little and close the book on the season.

#5 - Wrong Again. With Sheffield looking like a contributor this year that makes EVERY draft pick from last year contributing. Berry - enough said. Moeaki had a better year than Tony G did his rookie year. DMC' return TD helped win the crucial opener over SD and he is seeing an expanded role this year, Lewis and Arenas both started, Asamoah played and is starting now. Baldwin will mean more to our fanchise than Taylor and Cobb combined plus we also got Houston, who is already starting and will become a force to match Hali, as a bonus due to Pioli's quick thinking. Plus Hudson, Powe, Bailey will also make an impact before the year is over, Miller is IR and Stanzi and Bannon were drafted as developmental projects. When this year is over please show anyone with two back to back years with better results.

#3 - Tony had been asking to leave in 2008 to win a ring BEFORE Pioli and Haley were on the radar and they honored that. You can't hate them w/o hating him - it was all his idea. I'm sure they would have loved to have a Super Star teach Moeaki while we built him stronger physically for another year. Waters was declining and everyone saw it. They called him out during the broadcasts and the last 2 games last year he was bad. Love him but right to let him go. Pollard is worthless in coverage in houston and page just got cut. Haley has said repeatedly everyone is motivated differently - proof? that's why he benches some and continues to play/push others on the field even though there are failures. Cassel has said he has input too. #4 - Your worst yet. Which of the practice squad talent WR's or has been FA WR's do you think were coachable into elite WR's? Huh? Yeah thats what I thought. Haley coached Bowe from 2009's 589 receiving yards, 4TD's in 11 games into being the BEST TD WR in the NFL when he was our only WR target but Fitz has flat out said he is the WR he is today because of Haley - are you not listening or what? Chrebet, Austin and Key all have sung his praises and Wade (Ugh!), Pope, Urban and Breaston have followed him to KC because.....he doesn't know how to coach or run an offense.

About Weis - he left because of his family and that's the truth. I have a friend whose sister is BFF with one of the players wives (no that doesn't make me special, yes I'm getting this 3rd hand but the only other info he has given me was dead on regarding a decision to play or not to play). There were TWO incidents involving Chuck's young child in KC and his kid was going to school in Florida that sealed the deal. Yes Haley is a control freak and Chuck didn't like that but he knew that when he took the job and the Boss is the Boss. Come on look at the facts! You say our QB and offense "excelled" for Chuck and suffered "dissapation" as Haley took control. We won week #2 with 3 FG's and a Defensive TD 16-14, lost week #3 putting up 3 FG's for a whopping 9 points, a 13 point OT victory over the lowly bills, followed in week #4 by 20 in another extended game, followed wekk #5 by a rockin 29 total garbage points in denver after putting up 10 in the 1st half plus a TD for the donkeys, all well before Haley took control and the failure of the interior of the OL and only having one WR that could get open caused the "dissapation".

#2 - Really - Nothing? Only lead the NFL in rushing with the OL consisting of a fading Pro Bowler at LG, under sized rejects at C and RG, a revolving door at RT with players who as many claim couldn't start anywhere else and a LT who doesn't belong there, take a 4-12 team to 10-6, win our division, make the playoffs, reduce our turnovers and penalties form 2009, coach up the NFL's leading TD WR when he was our only WR option being thrown to by as so many put our "lame duck in waiting for Mr. Luck" QB Matt Cassel who was over 3,000 yards with 27 TD's vs 7 INT's. Nevermind NOTHING! All THREE of the players he "held back" lead our team and went to the Pro Bowl - Certainly proof of Terrible coaching for sure! And continued...

Sorry DD/Nostradamus but please spare us the strainer forecast (full of holes).Wow! Call it a difference in perspective but here's what I consider reality: #1 - Haley's conditioning program took an overweight, out of shape team and worked them into shape winning SIX more games after ONE season. Then this year he tries a new approach and everyone wants to blame him for injuries to Berry, Moeaki, Siler and even better let's add Baldwin on there because if Haley had more contact in camp Baldwin's thumb would have strong enough to punch whatever he did w/o breaking it. News Flash - maybe you should read the NFL injury report because players are dropping like flies. The lack of an offseason is the caiuse of the increased number of players going down early. No ones approach appears to be working. If i recall correctly Haley had no part in the elimination of the time we lost. To be continued...

Bill Cowher PLEASE oh god Please!!!!!!!!!! We will be lucky to win 4 games this year, and thats coming from a homer.

@Double D Touche... I mean DDouche

@Double D So you're saying that you think Weigmann and Jackson would be better players with 10-15 more pounds on them?