The K.C. Chiefs And The Wrong 53

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Alright. Something is very wrong here. Were these the Kansas City Chiefs we all came to know and love in the past year? Were these the same guys that won 10 games just a season ago?

It all began in the autumn of 2010 when the Chiefs won the first 10 out of 15 games. Here’s what has happened since that 15th game:

  1. A loss to the Raiders on home turf.
  2. A loss to the Ravens on home turf.
  3. Lost our offseason.
  4. Lost our preseason.
  5. A loss to the Bills on home turf.

So, what’s different between our current losing streak and our 10 win season? And don’t say schedule.

The answer may be as simple as, personnel.

The 53 players we have on paper are good players. Is there a reason, after one blowout loss, to doubt that Scott Pioli and company have made the right decisions about player personnel? Maybe. Successfully managing a team is all about making good decisions. So, let’s take a look.

Sunday’s performances of personnel additions in the past 2 1/2 years:

Kelly Gregg- he couldn’t stop the run up the middle, and there were plays he looked ineffective. Chiefs need more on the DL. They also chose to sit NT Jerrell Powe for this game when it looks like they could have used him. It also looks like Powe could have used the experience.

Tyson Jackson- if the Chiefs’ new ninja master taught Jackson some fresh moves, I didn’t see them on Sunday. I did, however, see the Bills gain 163 yards on the ground. One assisted tackle deserves no comment and no accolades.

I’m not placing all the blame on Gregg and Jackson but, they did contribute to Bills QB Fitzpatrick having a 133.0 QB rating.

Steve Breaston- had 2 catches. Cassel looked off, way off, so it’s hard to tell but, we hoped for more than 2 catches per game from him.

Dexter “The Quark” McCluster- continuing to use Dexter as much as they do may be problematic. He’s exciting but, he can’t be counted on. Fumbling the ball to begin the season may be the worst thing that could have happened to this team. Some teams take a play like that and it becomes a self-fulfilling prophesy. The Chiefs needed more team speed when they drafted him, but I don’t know that he’ll hold up physically or be able to hold onto the ball. That mistake was of epic proportions. The only thing that could be worse is fumbling on the last play of the season.

Lilja, Wiegmann and Asamoah- This regime brought these three players in and decided to play them. Charles gained 56 yards on the day and McCluster 42, but Cassel was constantly under pressure from up the middle. Asamoah was caught holding, but should be very good at some point. Wiegmann looked spent and Lilja looked constantly out-manned.

Matt Cassel- I have long been a Cassel supporter, but if this kind of performance continues then it will be time to move on after this year. I had hoped that the 350-pound Green Bay DL landing on him a week ago had taught him a lesson about reading pressure but, Cassel only looked more tentative and nervous in the pocket than I have ever seen him. Sometimes an event like that can negatively impact a QB’s career and he never gets over it. His 64.5 QB rating in the game is not going to help the Chiefs win games, even if we’re playing the worst teams in the league and we aren’t playing any of those teams this season.

Ryan Succop- wide right on his field goal attempt. His total percentage of all field goals made now stands at 80% (45 of 56) and that places him tied for 28th in the league based on last season’s stats.

Kendrick Lewis- 4 tackles.

Justin Houston- 2 tackles. No sacks.

Javier Arenas- 3 tackles and two QB hits.

Thomas Jones- 3 yards rushing and a right hook.

Jon Baldwin- a glass jaw, a bum thumb and a bad-itude.

All the players listed above are players Scott Pioli brought in. The reason for this review is to examine the play of those players Scott Pioli calls the “right 53″ who he has acquired in the past 2 1/2 years. Mr. Pioli often mentions the “right” 53 and infers that there is something in these players’ personalities that sets them apart from other possible players that could have been acquired.

Perhaps Mr. Pioli is not himself one of the right 53. I’m joking of course but, I think most would not disagree that there is something “wrong” with the way this team performed on Sunday.

If that means some of these players were the “wrong” players that shouldn’t have been acquired, I wouldn’t disagree with that at this point.

Todd Haley appeared to be the only one who came to the game with any intensity. Or maybe he has lost this team. I doubt that but, it was clear that the Chiefs didn’t show up prepared. When players 1 through 53 (or 46, or whatever it is) so completely don’t show up, I do wonder if it’s the coaching. However, in this case I don’t get that feeling because all of his players seem to be in line with what he’s trying to accomplish. Even though Haley is publicly taking the blame for them, whether or not that’s genuine, the players all appear to be backing him. One way or the other.

The day after the game Coach Haley pointed to “near misses” that were “momentum killers” and gives the example of Leonard Pope’s catch in the end zone being ruled a non-TD. He also points out that on tape the team appears to be giving all they’ve got even through the end of the game.

So, what’s wrong with the picture he’s painting? He’s saying his players are giving good effort but, it was his fault?

That points to the idea that the players he has just aren’t good enough. That means player personnel is the issue. Not player preparation.

You can put a pig in a dress… but, it’s still a pig.

One of the big problems last season was converting third downs. Sunday the Chiefs converted 23% or 3 of 13. That’s not very good. In the off season I thought Baldwin and McCluster would help remedy that which, of course, didn’t happen.

Third-down conversions is just one of many problems that are recurring. Unresolved. Unaddressed.

Or maybe it hasn’t gone unaddressed. Maybe it was just not addressed by the “right” people… or the “right” personnel.

It’s the players on the field, who are not executing, that makes this a problem. Not Haley standing on the sidelines, all blame aside.

At some point, if I’m Clark Hunt, I have to think something, or someone, is not right here. Maybe that’s because they haven’t really found the right 53, no matter how right they think they are.

This is not an overreaction. It’s a legitimate question. Have the Chiefs made the right personnel decisions in the past three years? We thought they were making progress. Sunday’s game says different.

So, progress may not be possible with the current “right” 53? That question shouldn’t be so shocking to even the most ardent Pioli apologists.

What about the players we’ve just released in the past month? Could they have been part of the right players to keep on the roster? Verran Tucker appears like a better choice than Terrance Copper according to most people I’ve talked to. Maybe Tucker wasn’t the right kind of guy.

I’m not calling for Pioli’s head and I’m still behind Todd Haley all the way. I really am a Pioli supporter but, I’d like to point out that Mr. Pioli is not infallible. I’m not saying Scott Pioli is wrong on his decisions about finding those guys who have the personal qualities of “rightness.” I’m questioning whether or not he has sacrificed obtaining players with some other abilities and skills that are football related, by doing so.

You can see how we got here, too.

All too often people will make decisions  from an emotional place and when that happens, others can step in and take advantage of them. I’m sure Clark Hunt gave a considerable amount of thought to the recent and painful history of bad behavior by former Chiefs players and consequently wanted to hire someone to be his GM who would only bring in high-quality people. The problem with that is that only bringing in high-quality people doesn’t guarantee that those people are the best football players with the best football skills. They might be gym rats who are self-motivated and have high moral values but, does that mean they’re the best footballers?

I know some will reason that half of the teams in the league are 0-1 right now which is supposed to make my questioning player personnel decisions inappropriate or premature. However, no other team in the league lost the way the Chiefs lost. To be honest and accurate this was a horrendous loss… on our home field… on an emotional opening day after… supposedly… three years of finding the right guys and three years of developing them.

There are no apologies or excuses that work in this situation.

For all the talk that Mr. Pioli does about bringing the right kind of players to K.C., isn’t it odd that the best players on the Chiefs depth chart appear to be guys that were drafted by Carl Peterson? DJ, JC, Hali, Albert, DBowe, Dorsey, Flowers, Carr and Colquitt. After three drafts and three offseasons of free agency, you wouldn’t suspect that to be true.

Maybe we could use some more of the players that Pioli implies, are the wrong guys, when he “says” he’s looking for the right guys. And maybe, just maybe, those guys would be more talented than the guys we’ve got.

And finally, to the point, we should be looking for… the best 53.

Even if in some cases they are the wrong 53.

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You are exactly right on all counts. I just did not want to be the one that said Muir lacked a personality but that is it in a nutshell. Furthermore you are absolutely about Weis. sensed immediately that Haley felt threatened by Weis and possibly also Weis did not like being under Haley. Haley was always under him in the past. I did blame Haley for that one though. He needed to be the bigger man and let Weis do what he was being paid to do. Once that dynamic was gone our offense was done.

I think that issue is a bit larger than... who's the player caller. It's often said that an offense takes on the personality of the Offensive Coordinator. Muir has no personality. We need a dynamic personality... like Weis was... to carry out all the functions of an OC. However, because Haley has served in that capacity elsewhere... and he's now a relatively young HC... I'm wondering if he can coexist with a person who is that dynamic? @Big Jim

Laddie I think those coaches would make changes but in coaching staff not players. With the exception of QB and depth players we have the right group, but he needs to get a real Offensive Coordinator or call the plays himself. I don't think that is what Muir is good at. When he was at that position Grueden called the plays and Payton calls the plays in New Orleans. Hell McCarthy calls the plays in GB. Todd needs to do the same.

I'm pretty sure the first thing Gruden or Cowher would do if they became HC of the Chiefs is......... drum roll please........ change the personnel. Every HC will tell you they need their own guys who have the skills they need to execute the plan they've designed. So, I'm not on the same page with you here. The big deficiency in the Chiefs club house right now is... good players.

The chiefs will be ok and we all have thqt feeling about it. I woulld agree that chiefs personnel seems at times beneath other talent in the NFL. My opinion on the matter of how we looked in the bills game is simple, coaching. The same thing thqt happened to the talented steelers and falcons, the same thing that happened to the saints against the superbowl champs. It's the same thing that happens to every team in the NFL that loses. And don't get me wrong its not Haley. It's the right coaching staff the lack of a true offensive cordinator if Haley isn't going to call the plays himself. I will say this, even with respect to Haley when I do. If this same 53 players was coached by Gruden or Cowher we would be favorites to go the AFC CHAMPIONSHIP. THAT'S WHAT I THink and I think that's the truth

That is so funny. You are exactly right my friend, and those needs exist in the NFL EVERY stinkin year. The difference is that when other teams have the opportunity to draft an elite QB THEY FRICKIN DO IT!!!!!!!!!!!!! How many times have the Chiefs had a top five pick?Too damn many! How many times did they take a QB with that pick? Once! In the QB rich draft of 1983 we passed on Elway, Marino.Kelly, etc and picked Todd frickin Blackledge! OMG!!!!!!!!!! Believe me that if it were up to me we would already have our franchise QB. But as fans we need to collectively DEMAND they draft one. Laddie does not want to start over and neither do I but at some point we HAVE TO, And I for one am tired of waiting. Now I will be happy to eat a double helping of crow if Cassel turns into an Elite QB the rest of the way. Does anyone really believe that will happen? Now Luck would be my first choice but there are probably 3 or potential top QB's in the next draft. Listen up Pioli! Trade up if you have to but get one!

@Big Jim Oh about QB, there are at least 18 teams that need an elite QB, not that many around. Sometime you have to adapt what you do to the talent, or lack of it, on the roster. That is an additional problem with Chiefs management, they fit the one size all box or to bad we lose til next year (ie 3 yrs without a second WR?). Remember HS, sometime you had a running team and the next year a QB and a passing team. Coaches used what they had, not one size box fits all But if you can get the Chiefs a elite QB, I support you.

@Big Jim I agree about the lockout and probably supports that Haley did not have a clue of what to do with the unexpected even with 6 months to look at options?? All those players who swear by/at Haley, Breaston is the only one who followed (with any skills the Chiefs actually used) so far. Can he do the job? Absolutely, look at 10 wins last year - not a chance in heck, look at this year. Jury is still out but I would not plan on a picnic at his KC home next summer, consider Swope Park, it will probably be there. Coaches have a short shelf life, and coaches the fans are not in love with even shorter.

Thanks laddie. I know you get me. As for Haley, tm, what screwed him up more than anything this year was the lockout. Last year everybody on the team bought into what he was preaching and by the time regular preseason started these guys were already in excellent condition. Bowe went to Fitz's special camp and came in totally changed. Former players swear by him. Is he perfect? No! Neither is Bellichek.Given enough time Haley can turn this team into a serious winner, but we still need an Elite QB

I think your "hopeful optimism" comment is interesting. I don't completely agree with Jim however, I do find his stance on the Chiefs can in some ways not be questioned... from his point of view... because if you've been a fan for as long as he has been a fan... since 1963 as he has stated... then you can't feel how it feel to be him. I've been a fan since 1970 and the lifetime it has taken to have the level of hope last year gave to me... made this last Sunday's loss even more difficult to taste. It's been such a long time since we tasted victory cake that the many years... and decades... of bitter-sweet chocolate, just doesn't cut it any more. @tm1946 @Big Jim

@Big Jim Good to be positive but the WR group is more potential than production and throw in a little hopeful optomism. To early in the season but they need to prove themselves, even Baldwin, before they are really outstanding, aren't they? I am not overly fond of Moeaki, he is, again, potentially a good to great TE but not if he cannot get over the injury bug. If you are not available to get on the field every game, what good are you? Lastly, about Haley, do not care yet. But other than his 10 wins last year, I feel he is about as unimpressive a HC, a young HC, as I have seen. He may get better but based solely on this off season antics, you got to wonder about him....."excellant", sure?

If you have read my previous posts (and I know you have) nobody is higher on the potential of our OL than I am. I even thought letting Waters go was the right thing to do. (for him and for us) We are even close to having an outstanding group of receivers. We are solid or close to being solid at most positions. Our one glaring weakness is QB and just overall depth. When we lose a starter like Moeaki or Berry the cupboard is bare. And throughout the course of the season that is going to happen. When it happens to us we can't deal with it. Going along with your logic of getting a pro bowl type of OL, just imagine how much faster a QB of Luck's stature would develop. I am also not a Haley hater. I think he is an excellent coach. The way he turned Bowe around last year is nothing short of amazing.

Yea... I mean... I can understand where you're coming from... especially being a fan with long history of cheering for the men in red. You know the Chiefs have never, no never, drafted a QB who became successful. Even Len Dawson was picked up after another team got rid of him. I don't think it's time to give up on Matt Cassel yet. He played great behind the awesomeness that is the N.E. Pats OL 3 years ago... so, I have to believe if we can focus some energy on rebuilding the personnel of our OL... Cassel will be a much superior performer to what he's been showing us thus far. And jsut think... if we can show some promise along the OL THIS season... then we can focus our 1st round pick on a top shelf performer at another position of need... instead of having to for another QB.@Big Jim

@Big Jim Better hope the QB fairy is carrying a club, a really big one with metal studs. Cassel has not got much upside without a lot of help. Batter up

@laddiemorse@Big Matt Careful or some fan will ask you for names. Reminder, many said Gregg could replace both Edwards and Smith together. And Breaston (I was one here) finally filled a need Pioli ignorred for 3 years.

Dont be ridiculous! I am first and foremost a loyal Chief fan. Have been since 1963. Beat that one! What I am saying is do whatever it takes to get him. If we don't get the first pick then trade up to get him.. I have a feeling we won't be that far behind the first pick. Listen I would love for the QB fairy to come down and hit Cassel with the wand and turn him into a franchise QB, but I doubt that will happen and with our schedule we are not going to win a lot of games.

Well, I guess what's hard for me to swallow is the run on free agents, when there was a glut of free agents, and we picked up Kelly Gregg and Steve Breaston... and that's pretty much it. They're the only one's who will be making any significant contributions this year. IOW... we passed on a boatload of opportunities to improve our personnel. And, to a large degree, we didn't. @tm1946 @Big Matt

@laddiemorse@Big Matt You might be simplifying it a bit. Pioli was part of several superbowl staffs and exec of year 5x but his last two drafts in NE, none left there, and his KC drafting has fallen behind or more would be starting over Carl's leftovers after 3 years. Still he did what he did, just not so good here. Haley was OC on one Superbowl team, but he was not alone on the staff and he had a QB and sufficient talent to win. Not so much now. Today in KC, this year, he seems to not have a clue that the season even started or how to prepare for it, or even what to do with the talent he had before they got injuried. Combine the two and it is a real possibility it is not working for Hunt. My fault, your fault, no one fault, right now we are adrift and seem to have lost direction in '11 Keep in mind there are a lot of games left,so things can change.

See... I don't really understand the Haley doubters as much as the Pioli doubters. Didn't Haley just take an offense to the Super Bowl 3 years ago. I guess approx the same could be said of Pioli but, the players past and present have only glowing things to say about how Haley pushed them to be the best that they can be. In my mind... if Pioli gives Haley the best guys to work with... we're going to be knocking on the championship door every year. It appears that for now... we are nowhere near the knocking spot... b e c a u s e of the lack of personnel. @Big Matt

@BARNIEVISION Go behind the garage and get a doobie out and chill. You are headed for a stroke. I fear if this season tanks, you are headed for a suiside watch.

So..... Jim.... you're completely hoping for and counting on the Chiefs LOSING? Every game for a year? @Big Jim

Thanks for clearning that up. Couldn't hear ya the first time. @BARNIEVISION

I LOVE MY COUNTRY, AND I LOVE MY CHIEFS... BUT I HATE MY GOVERNMENT AND I HATE MY COACH!!!!!!

R U 4 REAL? ITS COACHING!!!!!!!!! WE HAVE PLAYERS THAT CAN PLAY!!!!! WE CANT C..O..A..C..H!!! I LOVE MY COUNTRY, AND I LOVE MY CHIEFS... BUT I HATE MY GOVERNMENT AND I HATE MY COACH!!!!!!

@agent187 Most if not all of last years rookies had a hand in getting us to playoffs. Just think back a year ago at this point McCluster had a go ahead punt return. Arenas nearly had one too, he was tackled by the punter. I think we are going to see a sophmore slump maybe, it is way to early to pass jugment even on last years class much less this years. I would say that Tyson is looking more like a 3rd to 5th round guy than he is a 1st.

Moeaki, Lewis, and several in the making that the jury is still out on!

Pioli has had three offseasons to work with. That is an eternity. And yet all of our best players are still Herm guys. Hard to ignore that. And it'll be really hard to ignore an identical record in years 1 and 3. If, throughout this season, it appears we just have less talent than everyone else, my blame-o-meter starts shifting from Haley over to Pioli.

laddie, the longer you wait, the longer it will take. KC has made a living out of trying to manage servicable quarterbacks. It has NEVER worked. There is no downside to Luck, and just like Peyton by year 2 he is in the driver's seat.. After waiting 42 years for another Super Bowl appearance it is time for action.

Cassel has been up and down for two year but, also been on an upward trend too. I'm not ready to give up on him. He can be very good but, will have to get a lot more consistent. I'm also not interested in turning my hopes and the future of the Chiefs over to a college QB... no matter who he is.

@ArrowFan i wouldnt go as far as saying its premature...honestly, besides Eric Berry who has Pioli bought in that has made a big impact...go ahead I can wait...exactly.

@big chief There is one significant difference here. Pittsburg and Atlanta were definite blips on the radar. Their track record of late proves that. In the same token our track record of late says we are a bad team. Colin Herd on espn has already made us the front runner in the Andrew Luck sweepstakes. God I hope he is right. The truth is we have the talent to develope into a good team once we get an Elite QB. I wish I was wrong but being honest with myself says I am correct. The entire league says you have to have a franchise QB to win a Super Bowl, and as much as I like Cassel, that is not who he is.

And maybe I win the lottery powerball, find the original fountain of youth, and Angelina Jolie will dump Brad Pitt and beg me to marry her. or NOT

In school... sometimes you take a test and it doesn't measure what you know about a subject at all. Take a different test and it measures exactly what it set out to measure. The Steelers have been a good, solid top of the line team for a long time now. The Falcons have been rising for several years and getting better and better. A sizable loss for either of them on opening day, while hurtful, was not a very true measurement of who they are. For the Chiefs... young and unproven team... coming off a year with one of the weakest schedules ever... a sizable loss can be an accurate measure of who they are. Sadly, this was closer to accurate than many would like to admit. Am I cheering for the Chiefs? Absolutely. Do I want to see them succeed? Absolutely. This is the team I have been behind for four decades. So, I feel I have a right to question the decisions that might be made in haste or based on reasoning that is less than sound. This is not being done after one game... this questioning is being done after three years and three bad loses in a row. Not to mention every game of the preseason. @big chief

If we had won 4 days ago? And if we had won the Super Bowl last year. And if we had drafted Marino in the 80s instead of Blackledge. And if, and if, and if....... What happened on Sunday happened. It's a slice of who we are. Is it the whole picture? No. But last season is not the whole picture either. Still... it's not wrong to question if the Pioli policy of drafting "the right 53" is a better policy than drafting the "best 53." @ArrowFan

You are right on target. Aside from that I am out of words after two days of much the same opinion. Pride goes down hard when swallowed with reluctance, Mr Pioli. However the aftertaste is rather pleasant

I would say this is a little harsh and premature. I know that there are allot of signs pointing to this conclusion however if they had won (4) days ago this post would be laughed out of town. Let's give the team and the organization a couple of games before we throw them in the can. That being said I don't like Gregg and we should have never let Waters go, it's not like we didn't have the money to pay him. Then again maybe he wanted out just like Tony G..

Good questions. Good points. I don't think it's wrong to ask them, possibly premature after one game, we'll see. I would argue though that while they didn't lose at home to the Bills the Steelers had 7 turnovers and pretty much got their asses handed to them and so did the Falcons. Now, we're talking about 2 likely superbowl teams. Does anyone think they have a lack of talent or do they get a pass? Let's see what happens in Detroit. Maybe we have a bad team. But maybe they just played a really bad game as happens to every team at times.

@laddiemorse I agree but.....the word "legacy" means so much to fans. They look backwards and see something almost mystical about the actions of people who are valued.. NFL football is a business, a huge business with billions of dollars to be made and controlled. Pioli will be wealthy. How will he acquire it? By doing the bidding of his owner. Just a normal man with better opportunity in the field of football. In politics were are a bunch of politicans, some good some crooked but we say there are some who become "statesmen" and rise above politics, we mere mortals. Same with football. There are some who history says rose about the money grubbing to be something special, they leave a legacy. With Pioli, I suggest not so much.

Good point about Hunt. Could be the subject of a much longer post. Still, Pioli is essentially the man in charge. Hunt spends the money he wants him to spend... or so he says. Also, when Pioli leaves K.C., by whatever means, it will be his legacy tat is remembered during this time period. IOW... this is more on Pioli than Hunt. @tm1946

Good read but I think you missed something. If Pioli is superior at being a GM (really big IF), why has he spent 3 years doing it this way. Obvious answer is it is what Hunt wants. As in most business, you follow the green. Where did the money gone that would/should/might have been spent on player acquisition? In the Hunts bank account (maybe to re-imburse the family for what they had to spend on remodeling Arrowhead?). It has nothing to do with football, KC, or the fans. Pretty simple, this team is what is acceptable to Hunt. Last sunday may have been a hiccup due to Haley's view of what this season is all about. May not, but the right 53 is more about what Hunt will accept and has nothing to do with football.

CordalePointBlankWestbrook 5 pts

The chiefs will be ok and we all have thqt feeling about it. I woulld agree that chiefs personnel seems at times beneath other talent in the NFL. My opinion on the matter of how we looked in the bills game is simple, coaching. The same thing thqt happened to the talented steelers and falcons, the same thing that happened to the saints against the superbowl champs. It's the same thing that happens to every team in the NFL that loses. And don't get me wrong its not Haley. It's the right coaching staff the lack of a true offensive cordinator if Haley isn't going to call the plays himself. I will say this, even with respect to Haley when I do. If this same 53 players was coached by Gruden or Cowher we would be favorites to go the AFC CHAMPIONSHIP. THAT'S WHAT I THink and I think that's the truth

laddiemorse 205 pts

I'm pretty sure the first thing Gruden or Cowher would do if they became HC of the Chiefs is......... drum roll please........ change the personnel. Every HC will tell you they need their own guys who have the skills they need to execute the plan they've designed. So, I'm not on the same page with you here. The big deficiency in the Chiefs club house right now is... good players.

Big Jim 233 pts

Laddie I think those coaches would make changes but in coaching staff not players. With the exception of QB and depth players we have the right group, but he needs to get a real Offensive Coordinator or call the plays himself. I don't think that is what Muir is good at. When he was at that position Grueden called the plays and Payton calls the plays in New Orleans. Hell McCarthy calls the plays in GB. Todd needs to do the same.

laddiemorse 205 pts

I think that issue is a bit larger than... who's the player caller. It's often said that an offense takes on the personality of the Offensive Coordinator. Muir has no personality. We need a dynamic personality... like Weis was... to carry out all the functions of an OC. However, because Haley has served in that capacity elsewhere... and he's now a relatively young HC... I'm wondering if he can coexist with a person who is that dynamic? Big Jim

Big Jim 233 pts

You are exactly right on all counts. I just did not want to be the one that said Muir lacked a personality but that is it in a nutshell. Furthermore you are absolutely about Weis. sensed immediately that Haley felt threatened by Weis and possibly also Weis did not like being under Haley. Haley was always under him in the past. I did blame Haley for that one though. He needed to be the bigger man and let Weis do what he was being paid to do. Once that dynamic was gone our offense was done.

BARNIEVISION 6 pts

I LOVE MY COUNTRY, AND I LOVE MY CHIEFS... BUT I HATE MY GOVERNMENT AND I HATE MY COACH!!!!!!

laddiemorse 205 pts

Thanks for clearning that up. Couldn't hear ya the first time. BARNIEVISION

tm1946 183 pts

BARNIEVISION Go behind the garage and get a doobie out and chill. You are headed for a stroke. I fear if this season tanks, you are headed for a suiside watch.

BARNIEVISION 6 pts

R U 4 REAL? ITS COACHING!!!!!!!!! WE HAVE PLAYERS THAT CAN PLAY!!!!! WE CANT C..O..A..C..H!!! I LOVE MY COUNTRY, AND I LOVE MY CHIEFS... BUT I HATE MY GOVERNMENT AND I HATE MY COACH!!!!!!

Big Matt 199 pts

Pioli has had three offseasons to work with. That is an eternity. And yet all of our best players are still Herm guys. Hard to ignore that. And it'll be really hard to ignore an identical record in years 1 and 3.

If, throughout this season, it appears we just have less talent than everyone else, my blame-o-meter starts shifting from Haley over to Pioli.