Football Outsiders Hates The Chiefs

@tm1946 "not much has carried over"? that's not even applicable. We have played 4 preseason games, none played well, but I don't believe that winning any of those games was a goal. we'll see once the season starts. I predict week 1 we'll be ugly, but win. There's gonna be a lot of ugly football w/ the lockout lasting so long. Why would you compare him to Luck? He hasn't played a single NFL game. Things change quickly. Ryan Leaf, Matt Leinhart, Brady Quinn, Jamarcus Russell, Akhili Smith, Tim Couch anyone? Also don't forget, 2 years ago Jake Locker was the consensus #1, but went back to school and fell quite a bit. You can't compare a guy who hasn't played in the league to a QB that just made the probowl. I also think cassel will be better than Peyton Manning this year ;)

@jpopejoy solid comment and the Chiefs were AFC West champs also, does not mean much this year since not much has carried over from last. Cassel is what he is and if given enough support gets the job done but no one is camparing him to Manning or Luck, are they?

@tm1946 why do people keep questioning Cassel...he did make the probowl last year. I'd say he's getting better.

@Double D@Celtks In the Manning article, you seemed happy the Colts are bad, what if they get lucky and get Luck. Talk about bad karma, we get Cassel and Palko and the Colts get Manning and Luck. Makes one consider jumping into the MO river.

@tm1946 Haha, yea even in my worst nightmares I don't see us in the "lucky" Luck race. The Bengals, Panthers, etc are too good at the race to the bottom dweller derby. I just hope the Broncos don't surprise me and get THAT bad.

@tm1946 @Celtks If the Chiefs go 2-14, one has to really wonder whether Bill Muir will be given another year to call plays. /sarcasm

@Celtks Wouldn't Cassel have to really drop for Pioli to drop him? Cassel is about all that is left from Pioli's arrival, dump him, doubt it. And the roster can be worked on until 2013 when the minimum salary cap kicks in. Now if the Chiefs lose big time, Andrew Luck could be that future QB you suggested. Now that would be worth talking about, just how bad would the Chiefs have to be to grab Luck? 2-14?

BTW, a quick reminder on Cassel's contract money: 2011 - 12.25 million 2012 - 5.25 million 2013 - 7.5 million 2014 - 9.0 million So expensive this year, cheap next year, then goes back up. Looks to me like 2012 will be his make or break year.

At least they commented on the Chiefs, not much respect in the outside media, mostly ignorred. But they are like weathermen, if right, genius, if wrong, oh, well there were outside factors (the wind changed). That said the 2011 version of the Chiefs has issues. Even the most ardent fan is not buying superbowl ticket. I look at this year as an opportunity lost more than a potentially bad season. Look at Pioli's moves, the Haley plan, any draft picks making moves to start, and injuries, not much "man are we lucky" to start the season.

I hope Matt steps up his game beyond last year, regardless of the wins/losses. If he does not - and Sunday may be a tip off - the Cassel era may end as soon as Pioli can get a replacement (easier said than done). I'm rooting for him, but concerned. He's a good guy. Most of the "analysts" who see the Chiefs heading for a fall back cite 3 reasons: 1. Tough schedule. 2. They think Matt will regress from last year. 3. The loss of Weis. My bet is Matt continues to be serviceable, but as the rest of the team continues to be improved, he will increasingly be seen as the limiter in a quarterback driven league. When Pioli and Haley see the team s a whole is ready for the next big step in class, expect to see a new QB in KC. His last year on his contract is 2014, I hope his play keeps him here until then..

I agree with your statement 100%. I do think they could do really well, if their young players keep playing well. This is also assuming the OL isn't as bad as it has looked in the preseason. IMO it wont look that bad during regular season. @Arowhead_Addict

I think they are right. The odds are long but the Chiefs are also a really interesting team. All the young talent is what is causing the problems. There is just no way to tell how the Chiefs will perform. If the young guys step up in a big way, the Chiefs could be way better than we think.

At least they commented on the Chiefs, not much respect in the outside media, mostly ignorred. But they are like weathermen, if right, genius, if wrong, oh, well there were outside factors (the wind changed).

That said the 2011 version of the Chiefs has issues. Even the most ardent fan is not buying superbowl ticket. I look at this year as an opportunity lost more than a potentially bad season. Look at Pioli's moves, the Haley plan, any draft picks making moves to start, and injuries, not much "man are we lucky" to start the season.

I hope Matt steps up his game beyond last year, regardless of the wins/losses. If he does not - and Sunday may be a tip off - the Cassel era may end as soon as Pioli can get a replacement (easier said than done). I'm rooting for him, but concerned. He's a good guy.

Most of the "analysts" who see the Chiefs heading for a fall back cite 3 reasons:

1. Tough schedule.

2. They think Matt will regress from last year.

3. The loss of Weis.

My bet is Matt continues to be serviceable, but as the rest of the team continues to be improved, he will increasingly be seen as the limiter in a quarterback driven league. When Pioli and Haley see the team s a whole is ready for the next big step in class, expect to see a new QB in KC. His last year on his contract is 2014, I hope his play keeps him here until then..

I think they are right. The odds are long but the Chiefs are also a really interesting team. All the young talent is what is causing the problems. There is just no way to tell how the Chiefs will perform. If the young guys step up in a big way, the Chiefs could be way better than we think.