Concerns Concerning Character Concerns

Egh...pretty much what Lyle said..didn't read further down...sorry guys.

...Didn't the patriots also preach the "Right 53" and pick up randy moss? 1. I think you need high potential/high risk guys like baldwin and houston(although houston just smoked a little pot..tell me you don't look at JC and think he's rolled up a few zig-zags in his day) to be successful in this league. Randy Moss, Mr. Diva WR turned the patriots offense into one of the best ever. They (apparently) had a locker room full of guys who would be ready to sucker punch the diva right out of him. I think you can take a few risks like that if you have the lockeroom for it. Personally, I wonder if Pioli grabbed his riskier players a year too early. I guess another point I want to make is that you have to be careful how the media portrays certain players. Big Matt will accuse me of drinking the Pioli kool-aid, but other than the comments about his coaches and the QB affecting his draft status, what else have we seen from Baldwin? He's a good houseguest(Via Cassel) and he's helped out a lot in Joplin(something he didn't have to do since he wasn't under contract). I guess with all that PR stuff he did, and the tweets about people referring to him as a quiet, soft-spoken guy. I guess i stopped seeing him as a diva.

I think this happens a lot more than you hear, but people don't always end up with braces or casts so people don't know about it. Well done as always, sorry got a late read in.

@Big Matt@LyleGraversen I think it's worth considering what the coaching staff is putting baldwin through at camp. this organization doesn't bring guys in and start respecting them. moreso for a 1st round pick i'd imagine.can he be blamed for not taking it well at first? remember how they treat jamal charles. they're not fully convinced he's awesome. it's on-the-surface unreasonable, but these uber-athletes can turn just as unreasonable if given too much power. they're surely going out of their way to humiliate baldwin at camp. if we can get some wins and he can keep his mouth shut the sky's the limit. judging by the pick, i'm ruling out any limitations of talent.

Maybe what happened was that they were trying to play a joke on baldwin because he is a rookie, turned off all the lights...... he thought he was being robed and he got into a fight with tom jones in the dark, they turned on the lights and he felt so bad, they hugged and said sorry.

@Jean-LucBugeaud True or false: someone who has trouble with his weight and has a learning disability does not fit into the stereotypical definition of "character guy"? Do you think anyone will ever describe Powe as a "locker-room leader"? Lets not make this something it isn't, I'm not insulting the guy. I've said multiple times I loved that pick. I'm just saying, he isn't the type of guy we thought Pioli wanted.

@Big Matt What are Powe's character issues. In fact i think Powe fits perfectly in the right 53 mantra. Someone who has had to work twice as hard as the next guy to get to the same place and he even faced rejection twice. This kid has heart, dedication and love of football. He does not fit in this article

@DannyW Whatever they're going for with the media, it isn't working to their benefit. They come off petulant and insecure, and the important stuff always leaks out anyway. That part of it should be so simple..... Houston looks great. I'm very excited about him.

@DannyW Whatever they're going for with the media, it isn't working to their benefit. They come off petulant and insecure, and the important stuff always leaks out anyway. That part of it should be so simple..... Houston looks great. I'm very excited about him.

@DannyW Whatever they're going for with the media, it isn't working to their benefit. They come off petulant and insecure, and the important stuff always leaks out anyway. That part of it should be so simple..... Hoiston looks great. I'm very excited about him.

@LyleGraversen Great point about Pioli's different reactions to the Baldwin and Houston picks. I remember that. It really seemed like they were confident Baldwin would not be a problem. And then he came to KC and stayed with Cassel, went to Joplin...I don't know, it had looked like they made the right call (personality-wise) to me. This will have been a pretty massive whiff by Pioli if Baldwin goes belly-up. To be clear, I liked the Gaither signing, and the Houston and Powe picks. They just aren't anywhere near that traditional "character guy" definition, that frankly I don't place much stock in anyway.

@Kurt Rauch@double Until he dies or they find someone to do it better.

@Kurt Rauch Local media does not comment, the Chiefs refuse to talk to them, but nationally they are saying he misses at least the first regular season game and possibly the second.

@Double D lol. harsh, but funny. Still, I think this team needs Jones.

I think that this incident is likely to be nothing more than one of several 'bumps in the road' for Baldwin. Hopefully he won't miss a game and nothing more serious will occur. I'm with Pioli on this one--I think Baldwin's talent is worth taking a chance on. I can't wait to see him on the field pulling in balls that don't seem possible to pull in.

If in fact (and I'm sure we'll never know) Baldwin is a real problem in the locker room then that is the one that really makes Pioli look bad. The quotes Pioli gave on Baldwin and Houston after the draft were really different. With Houston he basically said "We know we're taking a risk here, but we thought it was worth it because of his upside." With Baldwin it was different, it was more of "His reputation as being a problem is wrong, we looked into it and feel good about bringing him in." So to me there are two completely different expectations for those picks. If Baldwin ends up not becoming a solid starting player this season because of his "attitude" which they allegedly looked in to then Pioli gets a big fat F for that draft pick. Where as if Houston fails a drug test and is out for half the season I still wouldn't give the pick an F because in the third round it was worth the gamble for that kind of upside. Same thing with Gaither, we signed him for one year with a low salary so he can either get it together or hit the road, nothing lost. Powe was actually suppose to be a good guy (and team captain, I believe). His problems were just his learning dissability and weight issues.

Nice stuff as always Big Matt. My take on all this? It's not enough that Thomas Jones hurts our chances of winning games every time he touches the ball. Now he has to hurt our chances of winning games even more by taking out one of key offensive weapons? The sooner Thomas Jones is no longer a member of the Chiefs, the closer our offense comes to becoming unstoppable. Leadership schmeadership.

Love the stuff Matt' You remember how they handled the Charlie Wies debacle. The Chiefs need a PR guy because (Haley and Pioli) are fumbling the ball when it comes to handling the media. I can appreciate not throwing either party under the bus in this situation; things may have just blown up, but explain it as such. I like the new pick ups and I hope Jon Baldwin makes a turn around much like DBowe did. Justin Houston looks like he's gonna be a starter and so does Powe, Baldwin looks as if he is the only one with some questions marks thus far. I just hope someone gets a handle on the brasses silly media moves.

i was not aware of these events. nice coverage. i also respect what thomas jones can offer in these situations. I like having him on the team. its how they use him that's mortifying. surely he's more excited than any of us about this wide receiver core. should open things up.

...Didn't the patriots also preach the "Right 53" and pick up randy moss? 1. I think you need high potential/high risk guys like baldwin and houston(although houston just smoked a little pot..tell me you don't look at JC and think he's rolled up a few zig-zags in his day) to be successful in this league. Randy Moss, Mr. Diva WR turned the patriots offense into one of the best ever. They (apparently) had a locker room full of guys who would be ready to sucker punch the diva right out of him. I think you can take a few risks like that if you have the lockeroom for it. Personally, I wonder if Pioli grabbed his riskier players a year too early.

I guess another point I want to make is that you have to be careful how the media portrays certain players. Big Matt will accuse me of drinking the Pioli kool-aid, but other than the comments about his coaches and the QB affecting his draft status, what else have we seen from Baldwin? He's a good houseguest(Via Cassel) and he's helped out a lot in Joplin(something he didn't have to do since he wasn't under contract). I guess with all that PR stuff he did, and the tweets about people referring to him as a quiet, soft-spoken guy. I guess i stopped seeing him as a diva.

I think this happens a lot more than you hear, but people don't always end up with braces or casts so people don't know about it.

Well done as always, sorry got a late read in.

Maybe what happened was that they were trying to play a joke on baldwin because he is a rookie, turned off all the lights...... he thought he was being robed and he got into a fight with tom jones in the dark, they turned on the lights and he felt so bad, they hugged and said sorry.

I think that this incident is likely to be nothing more than one of several 'bumps in the road' for Baldwin. Hopefully he won't miss a game and nothing more serious will occur. I'm with Pioli on this one--I think Baldwin's talent is worth taking a chance on. I can't wait to see him on the field pulling in balls that don't seem possible to pull in.

If in fact (and I'm sure we'll never know) Baldwin is a real problem in the locker room then that is the one that really makes Pioli look bad. The quotes Pioli gave on Baldwin and Houston after the draft were really different. With Houston he basically said "We know we're taking a risk here, but we thought it was worth it because of his upside." With Baldwin it was different, it was more of "His reputation as being a problem is wrong, we looked into it and feel good about bringing him in." So to me there are two completely different expectations for those picks. If Baldwin ends up not becoming a solid starting player this season because of his "attitude" which they allegedly looked in to then Pioli gets a big fat F for that draft pick. Where as if Houston fails a drug test and is out for half the season I still wouldn't give the pick an F because in the third round it was worth the gamble for that kind of upside. Same thing with Gaither, we signed him for one year with a low salary so he can either get it together or hit the road, nothing lost. Powe was actually suppose to be a good guy (and team captain, I believe). His problems were just his learning dissability and weight issues.

Nice stuff as always Big Matt.

My take on all this?

It's not enough that Thomas Jones hurts our chances of winning games every time he touches the ball. Now he has to hurt our chances of winning games even more by taking out one of key offensive weapons?

The sooner Thomas Jones is no longer a member of the Chiefs, the closer our offense comes to becoming unstoppable. Leadership schmeadership.

Love the stuff Matt'

You remember how they handled the Charlie Wies debacle. The Chiefs need a PR guy because (Haley and Pioli) are fumbling the ball when it comes to handling the media. I can appreciate not throwing either party under the bus in this situation; things may have just blown up, but explain it as such. I like the new pick ups and I hope Jon Baldwin makes a turn around much like DBowe did. Justin Houston looks like he's gonna be a starter and so does Powe, Baldwin looks as if he is the only one with some questions marks thus far. I just hope someone gets a handle on the brasses silly media moves.

i was not aware of these events. nice coverage.

i also respect what thomas jones can offer in these situations. I like having him on the team. its how they use him that's mortifying. surely he's more excited than any of us about this wide receiver core. should open things up.