The Chiefs Have No Untouchables

@TEDLAZER This is the era of "packages", groupings of players to achieve an advantage over the other team for a specific play or type of play. Doubt it matters who the first stringers are as long as you get to play and have your minutes. Besides do you think Haley gives a fig about the fans and what they think? No, he cleared his plan with Pioli, maybe Hunt, and goes about his business. Come on, we all think we have the answers (and in my case, maybe so) but the professionals make the decisions and we get to live with it.

Yep... kinda hard to see him changing on that one. @tm1946

Yes Lyle! Everyone knows in today’s game there are only a few guys that are 'untouchable' in the NFL (looking long term-BTW "dropping off" is not NOT pertinent in this discussion because it makes the entire topic mute! - we're talking Bradys' here). This is old hat, which makes you wonder, why would anybody write about this! EXCEPT for topic of Jamaal (well almost LOL). It really shocks me (and yes by the way the Chiefs locked him up for a few years during the season last year) that I think even most Chief fans are clueless about the guy! If you go to NFL.com they are talking top two in the fantasy football at RB! If you look at it, right now at this second he is the last player the Chiefs would deal, this makes them less clueless then most fans and Ladner for sure! Yes Jamaal (and Hali too BYW) is UNTOUCHABLE! The expectation is that he will play for us if he can play at his current level (for as long as he plays the game, and Hali too). The guy average yards per carry RIVAL THE GAMES GREATEST PLAYERS EVER! He led the dam AFC in rushing. WeI got a coach that puts him number 2 on the dam depth chart and did not START HIM LAST YEAR! We got boneheads writing that the guy can be touched! NOT! You fellow fans are going to learn something. He is going down with Jim Brown, Barry, and Walter. He's going to show you something, because you clearly don't get the point! Not Yet. DO ME A FAVOR FELLOW FANS PLEASE MAKE HALEY SAY JAMAAL IS THE STARTER. GO HOLD UP PICKET SIGNS BY THE THOUSANDS AROUND ARROWHEAD AND APPLY ALL THE PRESURE YOU CAN ON THE CLUB TO MAKE THEM SAY JAMAAL IS THE STARTER NOW (if I was in KC I'd join trust me). PLEASE HELP AND SEND THIS EMAIL TO TEN CHIEF FANS. If the Chiefs do not start Jamaal WE"RE GOING TO LOSE SOME POINTS WE SHOULD NOT (!), and WE'RE GOING TO LOSE SOME GAMES WE SHOULD NOT! You are also risking changing the game as if you fall behind after not starting Jamaal, 14, or 17-0. You may be 'taking the running game out of the picture' a bit. Yes the threat of giving Jamaal the ball on the first snap is HUGE (because of threat of play action and your success in the overall passing game as the defenses' have to guard the edges to prevent 80 yard runs more than they would with Jones or even any player in the NFL perhaps). Also if you can find a way to just get him an extra five carries a game, you'll prevent yourself from losing over 12 yards a game for no reason. You are losing over 2.5 yards on every carry from carry one without him too period. FOLLOW THE LAZER!

Yes Lyle! Everyone knows in today’s game there are only a few guys that are 'untouchable' in the NFL (looking long term-BTW "dropping off" is not NOT pertinent in this discussion because it makes the entire topic mute! - we're talking Bradys' here). This is old hat, which makes you wonder, why would anybody write about this! EXCEPT for topic of Jamaal (well almost LOL). It really shocks me (and yes by the way the Chiefs locked him up for a few years during the season last year) that I think even most Chief fans are clueless about the guy! If you go to NFL.com they are talking top two in the fantasy football at RB! If you look at it, right now at this second he is the last player the Chiefs would deal, this makes them less clueless then most fans and Ladner for sure! Yes Jamaal (and Hali too BYW) is UNTOUCHABLE! The expectation is that he will play for us if he can play at his current level (for as long as he plays the game, and Hali too). The guy average yards per carry RIVAL THE GAMES GREATEST PLAYERS EVER! He led the dam AFC in rushing. WeI got a coach that puts him number 2 on the dam depth chart and did not START HIM LAST YEAR! We got boneheads writing that the guy can be touched! NOT! You fellow fans are going to learn something. He is going down with Jim Brown, Barry, and Walter. He's going to show you something, because you clearly don't get the point! Not Yet. DO ME A FAVOR FELLOW FANS PLEASE MAKE HALEY SAY JAMAAL IS THE STARTER. GO HOLD UP PICKET SIGNS BY THE THOUSANDS AROUND ARROWHEAD AND APPLY ALL THE PRESURE YOU CAN ON THE CLUB TO MAKE THEM SAY JAMAAL IS THE STARTER NOW (if I was in KC I'd join trust me). PLEASE HELP AND SEND THIS EMAIL TO TEN CHIEF FANS. If the Chiefs do not start Jamaal WE"RE GOING TO LOSE SOME POINTS WE SHOULD NOT (!), and WE'RE GOING TO LOSE SOME GAMES WE SHOULD NOT! You are also risking changing the game as if you fall behind after not starting Jamaal, 14, or 17-0. You may be 'taking the running game out of the picture' a bit. Yes the threat of giving Jamaal the ball on the first snap is HUGE (because of threat of play action and your success in the overall passing game as the defenses' have to guard the edges to prevent 80 yard runs more than they would with Jones or even any player in the NFL perhaps). Also if you can find a way to just get him an extra five carries a game, you'll prevent yourself from losing over 12 yards a game for no reason. You are losing over 2.5 yards on every carry from carry one without him too period. FOLLOW THE LAZER!

@laddiemorse A side issue, notice NE has dipped into the veteran free agents and signed some older players to long contracts. They have changed the way they are doing business and will Pioli follow suit as the team progresses.....I doubt it, he is set on a oneway path.

IF... JC lasts that long. Hard for me to even think of many trades that involved RBs. Clinton Portis and Champ Bailey. I think a lot of people believe the Broncos got the better side of that one. Just don't see it often. RBs seem to have become a dime a dozen... in value anyway. @Erich

You're probably right... which brings up another subject... team loyalty. Seems to have died years ago. Fans just don't get the pleasure of watching many players get drafted by their team and playing out their whole career's with that one club. Those are the days of yore.@LyleGraversen

Whether a player asked to be traded or not... is not the point. If Peyton Manning said he wanted to be traded... even though he has tons of leverage... if you're his GM... you never make that trade. Pioli never felt that way about either Allen or Gonzo... but, he saw that he could get something for each of them... value... that would help the team down the road. What the "player wants" is irrelevant in most cases. Just ask Carson Palmer. Eli Manning and John Elway... at the time they were drafted... are the only cases I can think of who dictated where they'd play. Just over three years ago... in Green Bay... a certain team refused to trade or release a certain popular player... and 3 years of drama ensued... AFTER the season ended and his contract played out. Pioli would have traded the sucker to a losing team... and the player he traded for would still be on the club roster now.@Celtks

@laddiemorse I agree to an extent. That having been said, let's say Ryan Mallet progresses over the next few seasons until it becomes like a Aaron Rodgers / Brett Favre situation. I wouldn't put it past the Pats or Pioli to move even the icons at the end if they have a replacement in place and can profit from it.

I think that's kind of my point... we are at a juncture where the Chiefs players who have tonsof talent are now being surrounded by other really good players who are going ot allow those talented players to shine shine shine. It's a bright future in KC... it just hasn't happened... YET. We're almost there... but not yet. @KCFLAKE

I love me some Jamaal Charles. I really really do. I'm thrilled to be getting to watch him play for the Chiefs on Sundays... at least for the past season and a half. And that's my point. He hasn't even been the starter for two full seasons. Remember a guy named Larry Johnson? On top of that... Haley doesn't even call name him the starter. Yes... to me JC is better than Tennessee's Chris Johnson. But, JC will have to establish himself for an extended period of time... longer than 24 games... to be a lock for... untouchable. @adamcbest

Good points all around... my feelings exactly. Pioli is not in the superstar business... because for him the superstar makes things messy. @tm1946

It's all in the value that can be salvaged for a player... and that's all about timing. I think if Pioli sees the iconic aspect of a player reaching heights that exceeds the vision that fans have of the franchise itself... then he's not going to trade that guys for anything. In the Pats case, that guy is obviously Mr. Bundchen and he is also the reason Light and Mankins got their deals... so they could continue to protect the icon bigger than the franchise. @LyleGraversen

Who is untouchable RIGHT NOW and who is untouchable EVER are two different questions. Guys like Charles, Berry, Hali, and Cassel are untouchable right now but I think Ladner's point is that nobody is really untouchable forever with Pioli in control. Could he eventually trade Charles and Berry if he feels they are about to drop off and can get great value in return, sure he could.

Pioli has attempted to build a team with no untouchables. I think he believes a team is stronger without a superstar. Not my favorite guy but he is the GM and what he believes probably is what is "right". Charles is one knee injury, heaven forbid, from being history, the way of oh so many RBs. Defense, no, don't you need at least 4 superior players to stop other teams. Not even sure they want a team capt, at least a vocal with the public one. No, Pioli wants quiet, no verbal outbursts, and everyone does his job or get replaced.

Jamaal Charles is more untouchable than Elliot Ness. Matthew Berry just yesterday wrote that he is the most talented back in the NFL. Football Outsiders has essentially said the same thing. He averaged like 6 yards per carry over like 24 games. If that isn't untouchable, maybe I don't know the definition of the word.

Wow, No untouchables huh. You'd think Jamall Chalres would have made the list. He is the most dynamic playmaker/RB in the NFL. I would add Eric Berry, Tamba Hali and Brandon Flowers to the list too. The list will grow this year as some more players step up and dominate the league.

Ladner, there are only a few guys in game that have the status you are talking about in the entire NFL. That is how it is today. Most of this (holding a player) clearly is Just year by year. I see even Chief fans are super slow to understand the importance of Jamaal (who the Chiefs locked up for years last year) or his greatness! It was not enough that he led the AFC in rushing with over six yards per carry (LOL)! It's not enough that his yards per carry rival the best players that ever lived!

The Chiefs traded Tony becuase he did have a few years left, and wanted out of the rebuild process and the no parking space reserved mentality, and wanted to go to what he figured was a shot at a superbowl before retiring. The Chiefs response was ok, you don't buy in to the changes, we'll get what we can. Really, it could be argued it was a show of respect by ownership to let Tony have what he wanted at the sunset of his career. The Chiefs have done a good job of keeping our best talent, and ponied up when it counts. They will whenever it's the thing to do to put the best team on the field, given the overall situation.

Gonzalez and Allen wanted to be traded. I think as long as Tamba and Berry don't ask to leave then they will stay. All the others I could see as potential trades down the road. As much as I like Charles RBs have a short shelf life. It would surprise me if Pioli didn't trade him once he starts slowing down. While he still has value.

Yes Lyle! Everyone knows in today’s game there are only a few guys that are 'untouchable' in the NFL (looking long term-BTW "dropping off" is not NOT pertinent in this discussion because it makes the entire topic mute! - we're talking Bradys' here). This is old hat, which makes you wonder, why would anybody write about this! EXCEPT for topic of Jamaal (well almost LOL). It really shocks me (and yes by the way the Chiefs locked him up for a few years during the season last year) that I think even most Chief fans are clueless about the guy! If you go to NFL.com they are talking top two in the fantasy football at RB! If you look at it, right now at this second he is the last player the Chiefs would deal, this makes them less clueless then most fans and Ladner for sure! Yes Jamaal (and Hali too BYW) is UNTOUCHABLE! The expectation is that he will play for us if he can play at his current level (for as long as he plays the game, and Hali too). The guy average yards per carry RIVAL THE GAMES GREATEST PLAYERS EVER! He led the dam AFC in rushing. WeI got a coach that puts him number 2 on the dam depth chart and did not START HIM LAST YEAR! We got boneheads writing that the guy can be touched! NOT! You fellow fans are going to learn something. He is going down with Jim Brown, Barry, and Walter. He's going to show you something, because you clearly don't get the point! Not Yet. DO ME A FAVOR FELLOW FANS PLEASE MAKE HALEY SAY JAMAAL IS THE STARTER. GO HOLD UP PICKET SIGNS BY THE THOUSANDS AROUND ARROWHEAD AND APPLY ALL THE PRESURE YOU CAN ON THE CLUB TO MAKE THEM SAY JAMAAL IS THE STARTER NOW (if I was in KC I'd join trust me). PLEASE HELP AND SEND THIS EMAIL TO TEN CHIEF FANS. If the Chiefs do not start Jamaal WE"RE GOING TO LOSE SOME POINTS WE SHOULD NOT (!), and WE'RE GOING TO LOSE SOME GAMES WE SHOULD NOT! You are also risking changing the game as if you fall behind after not starting Jamaal, 14, or 17-0. You may be 'taking the running game out of the picture' a bit. Yes the threat of giving Jamaal the ball on the first snap is HUGE (because of threat of play action and your success in the overall passing game as the defenses' have to guard the edges to prevent 80 yard runs more than they would with Jones or even any player in the NFL perhaps). Also if you can find a way to just get him an extra five carries a game, you'll prevent yourself from losing over 12 yards a game for no reason. You are losing over 2.5 yards on every carry from carry one without him too period. FOLLOW THE LAZER!

Who is untouchable RIGHT NOW and who is untouchable EVER are two different questions. Guys like Charles, Berry, Hali, and Cassel are untouchable right now but I think Ladner's point is that nobody is really untouchable forever with Pioli in control. Could he eventually trade Charles and Berry if he feels they are about to drop off and can get great value in return, sure he could.

Pioli has attempted to build a team with no untouchables. I think he believes a team is stronger without a superstar. Not my favorite guy but he is the GM and what he believes probably is what is "right". Charles is one knee injury, heaven forbid, from being history, the way of oh so many RBs. Defense, no, don't you need at least 4 superior players to stop other teams. Not even sure they want a team capt, at least a vocal with the public one. No, Pioli wants quiet, no verbal outbursts, and everyone does his job or get replaced.

Jamaal Charles is more untouchable than Elliot Ness. Matthew Berry just yesterday wrote that he is the most talented back in the NFL. Football Outsiders has essentially said the same thing. He averaged like 6 yards per carry over like 24 games. If that isn't untouchable, maybe I don't know the definition of the word.

Wow, No untouchables huh. You'd think Jamall Chalres would have made the list. He is the most dynamic playmaker/RB in the NFL. I would add Eric Berry, Tamba Hali and Brandon Flowers to the list too. The list will grow this year as some more players step up and dominate the league.

The Chiefs traded Tony becuase he did have a few years left, and wanted out of the rebuild process and the no parking space reserved mentality, and wanted to go to what he figured was a shot at a superbowl before retiring. The Chiefs response was ok, you don't buy in to the changes, we'll get what we can. Really, it could be argued it was a show of respect by ownership to let Tony have what he wanted at the sunset of his career.

The Chiefs have done a good job of keeping our best talent, and ponied up when it counts. They will whenever it's the thing to do to put the best team on the field, given the overall situation.

Gonzalez and Allen wanted to be traded. I think as long as Tamba and Berry don't ask to leave then they will stay. All the others I could see as potential trades down the road. As much as I like Charles RBs have a short shelf life. It would surprise me if Pioli didn't trade him once he starts slowing down. While he still has value.