Curious, But Not Concerned

by Chiefs

Let’s start here: I do not care about the results of Friday’s preseason shellacking. 

I, like you, have read many different takes by now.  Some good, some bad.  I thoroughly enjoyed Crocker’s attempt to glean some knowledge of how our backup backups played.  Paddy’s “Earning their Arrowheads” is always fun, even when Thom Jones gets one. 

The worst stuff I’ve seen out there is the sarcastic “all is lost!” take, in which the writer mocks anyone who was discouraged by their team losing 25-0.  This, to me, is the deepest kind of bullshirt (spelling intentional!), because it attempts to establish intellectual superiority based on what is actually intellectual inferiority.  “You’re not able to immediately dismiss anything negative about the Chiefs?  Jeez dude, how stupid are you?”

Maybe I’m just lazy (or dead inside?), but I was unable to muster any kind of reaction.  I watched the game, had some beers, went out afterwards in my D-Bowe jersey, got into a shouting match with a stranger, took my pants off, fell asleep on the local tennis courts, got up as the sun was rising and went home.  Typical Friday night, really.  The game had no effect on me. 

more after le jump:

Seriously though, we shouldn’t worry too much about that score.  Half our starters didn’t play, as Josh Looney was all too eager to point out

This would probably be a good time to discuss what Looney’s job is, as there seems to be some confusion in Chiefs Nation on that front.  Josh Looney is not a reporter; he’s a Chiefs insider.  He works for the PR department.  I’ve got nothing against the guy, he seems cool enough, but you simply cannot take what he says at face value.  He is only telling us exactly what the organization wants him to tell us.  I don’t even blame him for that.  Its his job. 

I’m not saying you shouldn’t read Looney, because in fact I do.  But you need to have a discerning eye.  Read him not as an unbiased source, which he quite obviously is not, but as a window into what the Chiefs front office wants its fans to hear.  When he tweets, “For those asking, these #Chiefs didn’t play 2nite: Breaston, Hali, Flowers, Moeaki, Gaither, Gilberry, Dorsey, Wiegmann, Gregg, DJ, McClain” is it really because the masses were demanding that list?  Maybe.  More likely, its because the Chiefs wanted that info out there.

Check out his next tweet if you don’t believe me:

“more #Chiefs who didn’t play: Cox, McGraw, Carter, and T. Johnson.” 

Todd Carter, Mike Cox and Tervaris Johnson?  Raise your hand if you even know who all three of those people are.  Could a tweet like that possibly have been for “those asking”?  No, it could not have.  The point of that tweet is to provide justification for the lopsided loss.  “Look at all these guys who didn’t play!”  Right.  Things would’ve been way different if the backup kicker was out there. 

The Chiefs want to have their cake and eat it too on this one, as they often do.  They want to be able to charge people full price for tickets, run a glorified scrimmage, and not take any heat for putting out such a terrible product.  And of course, they don’t want anyone to “speculate”, but they also don’t want to tell us anything.  They want to play games with the depth chart, but they don’t want anyone to ask questions about it.  Its a strange sense of entitlement for a first-time GM and head coach, and its what keeps me from fully getting behind these guys, as much as I want to. 

I’ve wandered a bit here, as is my wont, but allow me to bring it back home and re-iterate that I really don’t care about that final score.  Looney may be a company man, but he’s right, those guys didn’t play.  This game was not an accurate measure of our talent level, which I still believe is high.  What I’m left wondering is, why did Haley sit all of those guys?  Why was his strategy so different from Tampa’s, a team very like our own, that was working with the same time constraints we were?  Does anyone honestly believe we got more out of that game than they did? 

This is sort of the same issue I have with the depth chart.  I just want to know why.  I don’t want people to scoff and tell me to drop it, I don’t want to hear fans make up excuses, I just want to know why our coach insists on making these bizarre tweaks, and what they’re supposed to gain us.  I really don’t think this is unreasonable.  For the rest of the league, the best player is #1, the second-best #2, and so on.  For us, depth charts supposedly don’t mean anything.  To me, that smells. 

Maybe I should stop worrying about stuff like this and just enjoy the games.  I’ve considered that.  Lord knows I have.  But at the end of the day, I’m a (fake) journalist for a reason.  I wonder about things.  All the time.  Even things I know I’ll never find the answers to.  I wonder if David really fought Goliath, and if so, what the size difference was.  I wonder how humans first started eating lobster.  I look at random people on the street and wonder if they’re happy.  I wonder if Tolkien meant for the Glorfindel in Rivendell to be the same one from Gondolin (I guess we all wonder about this).  And most of all, I wonder about our coach, our GM, and their plans for this team that I love.  I can’t help myself. 

And maybe because of that, I’m bound to always be a little at odds with these guys.  Because part of their plan, for good or bad, is for us not to know the plan.  For a lot of us, that has been hard. 

But a 25-0 preseason game?  Sh*t, son, I’m from Kansas City.  NEXT.

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@AdamSchefers "I guess it saved them from injury and I guess it gives them more of a chance to evaluate the camp fodder/fringe talent we have vs. the commodity we have seen over the last 2+ seasons." I mean. I guess this guy is right. it seems like, to me, i mean. I guess what he says is actually is the correct perspective. most importantly it helped first that he sees where i'm coming from. he too thinks "pioli be spewing". that's how i would word it when i'm talking with the people i trust. it helps me hear what he has to say and ultimately decide that we were coming from the same place all along. i really just want to have fun.

@Big Matt@jackie if you look at the way they're treating the colbert situation........allow me to give my interpretation. some agent comes to them with a youtube video of some has-been working out. next: just as the press secretary is about to throw it in the proverbial garbage, pioli perks up from across the room saying "a waaaht?" its a gift wrapped news blurb that reminds people who otherwise wouldn't care that kansas city exists. youtube what? oh great story! it also makes the other more talented players caught up in the reality show of the nfl think this loser could actually compete for their job. another weird motivation tool for haley and pioli to throw in their bag. spend two seconds on the depth chart and 20 minutes retelling the story about some guy's youtube video. "it looked like he was PHOTOSHOPPED". that exact line is in the movie trailers for Crazy Stupid Love. this is not a conspiracy. its just to say the more they can get people around the team talking about this worthless colbert story, the more they are in control of what we're talking about. and d bowe can go home and get some peace and quiet. PS. i'd prefer the media was nowhere near d bowe. in conclusion: the whole depth chart issue is part of a bigger dog and pony show to limit our access to athletes who are ultimately better off not speaking their mind to the media. if i were half as talented as d bowe...well i'd be pretty wacky.

@LyleGraversen@Big Matt@Arowhead_Addict i think to say he "hasn't proved squat yet" is a bit ridiculous. in the spectrum of a city who just wants one playoff win before we start dubbing these guys geniuses...ok. but he has proven he has a great mind for the nfl through his work in arizona and a less than spectacular cast in KC thus far.

@Big Matt Yes. And you are correct that his job is to represent the Chiefs and do it in a way that advances their agenda, so it is good to double check what they say.

@Big Matt@Arowhead_Addict I'll say this, I don't think Haley has earned the right for us to say that he is smarter then other coaches. I mean big picture, the guy hasn't proved squat yet. I do think that he is going out of his way to do things different. I mean the guy called the CFL for training advice this offseason since they never have any type of OTAs. You combine things like that with the fourth down calls that most coaches would never make and I think its safe to say that he's going out of his way to be "outside the box". The guy clearly wants to win so I think we can assume he really does think it will work. If nothing else it shows some guts for a first time head coach to be so willing to throw years of tradition out the window and try something different. The problem with experiments though is that sometimes they blow up in your face. Once again, time will tell.

Love the articles BM. Sounds like you have some crazy friday nights....I have to say that your articles often keep me in check from automatically buying into the stuff pioli be spewing and I appreciate it. I don't know why the starters barely played. I guess it saved them from injury and I guess it gives them more of a chance to evaluate the camp fodder/fringe talent we have vs. the commodity we have seen over 2+ seasons. I often wonder how the topic of human anatomy got started. Some sick mofo's roam this world Big guy..

@Gr8scott Much obliged brother. I'm fine with some people not getting me as long as some others do. I read a comment like yours and I'm like "Phew!"

@jackie rubbinson Yeah i saw that. He followed it up with a "I've never been anywhere where its been this big of a deal." I really don't think he could've handled that any worse, at least from my perspective. Acting like anyone who recognizes his actions as ridiculous is being ridiculous themselves. I mean give me a break. Thats like grade school stuff.

@jackie rubbinson Yeah i saw that. He followed it up with a "I've never been anywhere where its been this big of a deal." I really don't think he could've handled that any worse, at least from my perspective. taking his ridiculous actions, and using them as a way to act like anyone who recognizes them as ridiculous is being ridiculous themselves. I mean give me a break.

@Arowhead_Addict 2 things: 1) regarding depth: Are we really less deep than other teams, and if so, why? Hasn't Pioli been talking about how much he's improved the "back end of the roster" ever since he got here? 2) What I'm wondering is, why do no other teams apparently feel the way Haley does about this preseason? Should we trust that he's smarter than all of them, or wonder whether maybe something is amiss?

@DannyW Welcome back amigo! Its been quite a while since I've seen you around these parts. Thanks for the dap. These guys often rub me wrong, as they do you. But hopefully they'll keep doing a good job and all this angst will soon be a distant memory.

@bossmanham You're right, of course. Looney isn't automatically lying simply because he works for the Chiefs. But he does automatically have an agenda, and there are a lot of people who don't seem to understand that. In my article I did say "Looney may be a company man, but he’s right" when referencing the players sitting, did I not?

Matt, although some apparently "don't get you", I do and appreciate that your curiosity as a (fake) journalist seems to mirror my own. You made about a dozen points that hit it pretty much on the nose - that kind of "yeah, me too" feeling! Frustration aside I just want winning football in KC again, and not just the 13-3 seasons ending with a post season FLOP! Keep asking the questions and never apologize for others who misread your intended prose.

Matt, I love your articles because they give me a different perspective, which I appreciate, and are always well written. But (you knew that was coming, lol) I often see you employ the same fallacy in your reasoning regarding where information comes from. Just because Josh Looney is the Chiefs' PR guy doesn't mean we can't take what he says at face value (the technical term is genetic fallacy). To say we should never trust what comes from 1 Arrowhead drive because they have an agenda is just being overly skeptical. Sure, you may want to be a little more discerning, but to broadly say you can't trust them because they're Chiefs insiders is to drub up irrational skepticism.

To those who put the label of draft bust on Tyson Jackson, try out the gold standard of bust: Aaron Maybin - 2009 11th overall draft pick who in two years with Buffalo, had no sacks, one forced fumble and 15 tackles in 27 games. Cut today after no team would bite on even a 7th round pick for him. Yikes, about as bad a draft waste as you will see. No wonder Buffalo was slow to develop compared to draft picks year after year. They do seem to be on the rise now.

@ChrisFranklin Not real sure what to expect. Vet or 3rd stringers, can you enjoy or take measure of the effort of the guys in red or not. Preseason has no value but do any subs move up or not. "Interested", great word but not sure it is supposed to apply to this preseason.

im pretty interested to see what happens in the next game against baltimore.

BM I love your stuff. I dont think your dead inside. It was stupid that they charged full price and did not let Matt Cassel even throw once. I've been gone a while busy with school work but have been watching in the shadows and I'm glad to be back. Keep posting man the brass thinks thier the CIA or something when really they just boss the Chiefs and try thier hardest to boss the fans through the media. I think thier pricks but if they do good this year thats fine for me.

I think Haley has to do what he thinks is best for the team. I feel bad for the fans who were at that game but Haley's jon is to put a winner on the field during the regular season. If anyone is to blame for crap preseason games it is the NFL. The teams invest millions in these players. Televised exhibition games are just stupid. This is a violent game and guys get hurt. If you are going to lose a guy, it would be best to lose him in a game that matters. Other than to get a look at the bottom of the roster guys, I am surprised more teams don't take this apporach for the first couple of preseason games. Keep those proven veteran starters our of harms way.

great article. did you see when haley told the room of reporters they were "kids on christmas morning" waiting for the depth chart? the comment you made about full price tickets for a game minus starters is great. i guess i have fewer problems with the cheifs making a mockery of the depth chart.

I really think Haley is just worried about these guys getting hurt playing before they are physically ready. Talented as this team is, it is still young and not terribly deep. Injuries could f us up something awful. I am cool so long as we get these guys some reps here in the next few games. We don't need preseason games as evidence these chaps can play. We got 17 games of that last year. They'll be alright.

"keep" damn it!

Awesome as always Big Matt. "I wonder how humans first started eating lobster". Just plain hilarious. Haley plays games with the depth chart to reward those second and third stringers who have been playing and practicing hard. It's worthless right now, and he knows it, so why not recognize some of the role players. Kepp up the good work!

AdamSchefers 11 pts

Love the articles BM. Sounds like you have some crazy friday nights....I have to say that your articles often keep me in check from automatically buying into the stuff pioli be spewing and I appreciate it. I don't know why the starters barely played. I guess it saved them from injury and I guess it gives them more of a chance to evaluate the camp fodder/fringe talent we have vs. the commodity we have seen over 2+ seasons.

I often wonder how the topic of human anatomy got started. Some sick mofo's roam this world Big guy..

jackie rubbinson 27 pts

AdamSchefers "I guess it saved them from injury and I guess it gives them more of a chance to evaluate the camp fodder/fringe talent we have vs. the commodity we have seen over the last 2+ seasons."

I mean. I guess this guy is right. it seems like, to me, i mean. I guess what he says is actually is the correct perspective.

most importantly it helped first that he sees where i'm coming from. he too thinks "pioli be spewing". that's how i would word it when i'm talking with the people i trust. it helps me hear what he has to say and ultimately decide that we were coming from the same place all along.

i really just want to have fun.

Gr8scott 8 pts

Matt, although some apparently "don't get you", I do and appreciate that your curiosity as a (fake) journalist seems to mirror my own. You made about a dozen points that hit it pretty much on the nose - that kind of "yeah, me too" feeling! Frustration aside I just want winning football in KC again, and not just the 13-3 seasons ending with a post season FLOP! Keep asking the questions and never apologize for others who misread your intended prose.

Big Matt 199 pts

Gr8scott Much obliged brother.

I'm fine with some people not getting me as long as some others do. I read a comment like yours and I'm like "Phew!"

bossmanham 21 pts

Matt, I love your articles because they give me a different perspective, which I appreciate, and are always well written. But (you knew that was coming, lol) I often see you employ the same fallacy in your reasoning regarding where information comes from. Just because Josh Looney is the Chiefs' PR guy doesn't mean we can't take what he says at face value (the technical term is genetic fallacy). To say we should never trust what comes from 1 Arrowhead drive because they have an agenda is just being overly skeptical. Sure, you may want to be a little more discerning, but to broadly say you can't trust them because they're Chiefs insiders is to drub up irrational skepticism.

Big Matt 199 pts

bossmanham You're right, of course. Looney isn't automatically lying simply because he works for the Chiefs. But he does automatically have an agenda, and there are a lot of people who don't seem to understand that.

In my article I did say "Looney may be a company man, but he’s right" when referencing the players sitting, did I not?

bossmanham 21 pts

Big Matt Yes. And you are correct that his job is to represent the Chiefs and do it in a way that advances their agenda, so it is good to double check what they say.

Celtks 40 pts

To those who put the label of draft bust on Tyson Jackson, try out the gold standard of bust:

Aaron Maybin - 2009 11th overall draft pick who in two years with Buffalo, had no sacks, one forced fumble and 15 tackles in 27 games. Cut today after no team would bite on even a 7th round pick for him.

Yikes, about as bad a draft waste as you will see. No wonder Buffalo was slow to develop compared to draft picks year after year. They do seem to be on the rise now.

ChrisFranklin 10 pts

im pretty interested to see what happens in the next game against baltimore.

tm1946 183 pts

ChrisFranklin

Not real sure what to expect. Vet or 3rd stringers, can you enjoy or take measure of the effort of the guys in red or not. Preseason has no value but do any subs move up or not. "Interested", great word but not sure it is supposed to apply to this preseason.

DannyW 21 pts

BM

I love your stuff. I dont think your dead inside. It was stupid that they charged full price and did not let Matt Cassel even throw once. I've been gone a while busy with school work but have been watching in the shadows and I'm glad to be back. Keep posting man the brass thinks thier the CIA or something when really they just boss the Chiefs and try thier hardest to boss the fans through the media. I think thier pricks but if they do good this year thats fine for me.

Big Matt 199 pts

DannyW Welcome back amigo! Its been quite a while since I've seen you around these parts. Thanks for the dap.

These guys often rub me wrong, as they do you. But hopefully they'll keep doing a good job and all this angst will soon be a distant memory.

jackie rubbinson 27 pts

great article. did you see when haley told the room of reporters they were "kids on christmas morning" waiting for the depth chart?

the comment you made about full price tickets for a game minus starters is great. i guess i have fewer problems with the cheifs making a mockery of the depth chart.

Arowhead_Addict 491 pts

I think Haley has to do what he thinks is best for the team. I feel bad for the fans who were at that game but Haley's jon is to put a winner on the field during the regular season.

If anyone is to blame for crap preseason games it is the NFL. The teams invest millions in these players. Televised exhibition games are just stupid. This is a violent game and guys get hurt. If you are going to lose a guy, it would be best to lose him in a game that matters.

Other than to get a look at the bottom of the roster guys, I am surprised more teams don't take this apporach for the first couple of preseason games. Keep those proven veteran starters our of harms way.

Big Matt 199 pts

jackie rubbinson Yeah i saw that. He followed it up with a "I've never been anywhere where its been this big of a deal." I really don't think he could've handled that any worse, at least from my perspective. Acting like anyone who recognizes his actions as ridiculous is being ridiculous themselves. I mean give me a break. Thats like grade school stuff.

jackie rubbinson 27 pts

Big Mattjackie if you look at the way they're treating the colbert situation........allow me to give my interpretation. some agent comes to them with a youtube video of some has-been working out. next: just as the press secretary is about to throw it in the proverbial garbage, pioli perks up from across the room saying "a waaaht?"

its a gift wrapped news blurb that reminds people who otherwise wouldn't care that kansas city exists. youtube what? oh great story! it also makes the other more talented players caught up in the reality show of the nfl think this loser could actually compete for their job. another weird motivation tool for haley and pioli to throw in their bag. spend two seconds on the depth chart and 20 minutes retelling the story about some guy's youtube video. "it looked like he was PHOTOSHOPPED".

that exact line is in the movie trailers for Crazy Stupid Love. this is not a conspiracy. its just to say the more they can get people around the team talking about this worthless colbert story, the more they are in control of what we're talking about. and d bowe can go home and get some peace and quiet. PS. i'd prefer the media was nowhere near d bowe.

in conclusion: the whole depth chart issue is part of a bigger dog and pony show to limit our access to athletes who are ultimately better off not speaking their mind to the media. if i were half as talented as d bowe...well i'd be pretty wacky.

Arowhead_Addict 491 pts

I really think Haley is just worried about these guys getting hurt playing before they are physically ready. Talented as this team is, it is still young and not terribly deep. Injuries could f us up something awful. I am cool so long as we get these guys some reps here in the next few games.

We don't need preseason games as evidence these chaps can play. We got 17 games of that last year. They'll be alright.

Big Matt 199 pts

Arowhead_Addict 2 things:

1) regarding depth: Are we really less deep than other teams, and if so, why? Hasn't Pioli been talking about how much he's improved the "back end of the roster" ever since he got here?

2) What I'm wondering is, why do no other teams apparently feel the way Haley does about this preseason? Should we trust that he's smarter than all of them, or wonder whether maybe something is amiss?

LyleGraversen 313 pts

Big MattArowhead_Addict

I'll say this, I don't think Haley has earned the right for us to say that he is smarter then other coaches. I mean big picture, the guy hasn't proved squat yet. I do think that he is going out of his way to do things different. I mean the guy called the CFL for training advice this offseason since they never have any type of OTAs. You combine things like that with the fourth down calls that most coaches would never make and I think its safe to say that he's going out of his way to be "outside the box". The guy clearly wants to win so I think we can assume he really does think it will work. If nothing else it shows some guts for a first time head coach to be so willing to throw years of tradition out the window and try something different. The problem with experiments though is that sometimes they blow up in your face. Once again, time will tell.

jackie rubbinson 27 pts

LyleGraversenBig MattArowhead_Addict i think to say he "hasn't proved squat yet" is a bit ridiculous. in the spectrum of a city who just wants one playoff win before we start dubbing these guys geniuses...ok. but he has proven he has a great mind for the nfl through his work in arizona and a less than spectacular cast in KC thus far.

Jeremyriversideca 10 pts

Awesome as always Big Matt.

"I wonder how humans first started eating lobster". Just plain hilarious.

Haley plays games with the depth chart to reward those second and third stringers who have been playing and practicing hard. It's worthless right now, and he knows it, so why not recognize some of the role players.

Kepp up the good work!