Armchair Ramblings: Preseason Game One

by Armchair Addict

So we’ve all had a few days to digest the Kansas City Chiefs first preseason game. The 25-0 beating by Tampa Bay wasn’t much fun. The real question is, did we learn anything? We learned that winning this game was not at the top of Todd Haley’s goals for the week. Is that a bad thing? I’ll give my thoughts on that a little later on. This week I had too many random thoughts to try and string together into one cohesive piece. So without further ado, here are my Armchair Ramblings on the Chiefs first preseason game.

☞ The fact that Kansas City’s starting offense didn’t move the ball well doesn’t mean anything. Matt Cassel never threw a pass. Jamaal Charles and DeWayne Bowe never touched the football. This may have technically been KC’s first string, but it certainly wasn’t the offense we’ll see in week one of the regular season.

☞ The fact that TB moved the ball against our “first string” defense means even less. Yes, TB looked good going against a “first string” defense that included Dion Gales, Pierre Walters, and Anthony Toribio. Whoopee!!!!! Tamba Hali, Brandon Flowers, Derrick Johnson, Glenn Dorsey, Kelly Gregg, and Wallace Gilberry didn’t play at all. That’s 6 of our top twelve defenders and those first 4 I listed are 4 of our top 5 (along with Berry). I’m kind of surprised that TB didn’t score more then they did with their first string players in so long.

More ramblings after the break.

☞ Even though it looked like the o-line depth was terrible on Friday, you can argue that we can go 9 deep before we get into trouble with Albert, Lilja, Weigmann, Asamoah, Richardson, Gaither, Hudson, O’Callaghan, and Harris. That doesn’t include David Mims who has had a good camp thus far, but was just okay on Friday.

☞ The o-line that had Ricky Stanzi running for his life included undrafted players like Chris Harr, Mike Ingersoll, and Luke Patterson (who played DL in college). That’s right, the Chiefs were playing an undrafted rookie defensive lineman on the OL Friday night. If you don’t believe me, check his bio on the Chiefs website and go back and watch the tape of the game in the fourth quarter. He’s number 68. I really hope they give Stanzi a better line to play in front of next week. Not only so that we can better see what he can do, but because I’m scared he’ll get hurt if he has to do that against the Ravens.

☞ I can literally never remember Tamba Hali going up to encourage an offensive player after a play, good or bad. So it really stuck out to me when he approached Ricky Stanzi after one of the series where he literally had to run for his life on every play. It was either a sign of just how BAD Stanzi had it or a sign that Tamba has seen something in Stanzi that he respects a lot. Here’s hoping that it was both.

☞ While I don’t feel we have a depth problem at OL, I can’t say the same for the defensive line. I was happy with how Jerrell Powe played and Amon Gordon was respectable for how short of time he’s been on the team. However, the fact that Toribio and Gales were starters with Dorsey and Gregg not playing is a problem. I’m guessing we’ll see one more d-line signing after teams start cutting players. I’m betting Pioli will grab someone that can fill the Shaun Smith role from last year and can back up at both DE and NT.

☞ I’m surprised to say this, but I thought the linebacker depth looked as good as any position on the team. I saw really positive flashes from several reserves like Justin Cole, Cameron Sheffield, Micah Johnson, Eric Bakhitari, Cory Greenwood, Justin Houston, Amara Kamara, and (even though it pains me to say it) Gabe Miller.

☞ That near circus grab by Baldwin has me really excited to see him play with a real QB, especially in the red zone.

☞ This team hasn’t tackled much at all in camp so far and IT SHOWED on Friday. I really hope that Haley starts hitting in practice more and more as the regular season gets closer. More on that in a minute.

☞ When watching the locker room interviews from after the game two things stuck out to me. First, if you go to the 1:00 minute mark, it appears that Andy Studebaker is actually transforming into Mike Vrabel (check the man stubble).

If he died his hair black and stole some beers from a casino maybe they'd let him play TE in the goal line package.

☞ Second, I’ve been saying for a while that Tyler Palko will be the #2 QB to start the season because he knows the offense better then Stanzi, but after seeing Palko’s hair band at the 1:45 mark, I can no longer support him making this team at all, let alone as the primary back up to Cassel.

Look Tyler, I know Haley stresses conditioning, but not the kind that leaves your hair full bodied and smelling like flowers.

☞ If the free agent signings and huge contract given to Tamba Hali didn’t already squash the idea, I would say our game plan (or lack there of?) on Friday night is the final proof that Clark Hunt isn’t forcing Pioli or Haley’s hands when it comes to how the team is run for the sake of turning a profit. There is already a lot of grumblings from fans about having to fork over regular season prices for preseason games. If the “Evil and Greedy” Clark Hunt was in fact calling the shots there is no way he would go for letting the Chiefs sit (or not use) all their best players. Friday’s game was the perfect example as to why full price for preseason is such a rip off.

☞ Finally, let’s talk about Todd Haley’s preseason game plan. If you haven’t seen it already, go watch Haley’s post game press conference from Friday night. Watch the first 30 seconds and tell me he doesn’t look like he feels really guilty. I’ve seen Haley really upset and even embarrassed about how his team played, but I don’t ever remember seeing him look like he felt guilty. So the question is, should he feel bad? He clearly didn’t try to win that game. You can make a strong argument that since people payed good money to go to that game that he has an obligation to try and win and to play the players that people payed their hard earned money to see. However, Haley is ALWAYS a man with a plan. The plan may not work or you may not agree with it, but I don’t think anybody can make a case that Haley doesn’t think things through. I mean the guy went as far as to call the coaches and trainers of the Canadian Football League to see how they prepare for a season since they don’t have any off season conditioning programs. So clearly Haley thinks that this approach will serve the team best during the regular season. So I ask you, my fellow Addicts, if Haley’s plan to have the team healthy and ready for the regular season works, does it matter if fans don’t get their money’s worth during the preseason? My answer is that winning in the regular season trumps everything. My guess is that Haley’s plan includes building the conditioning and limiting injuries early on until everyone starts to get in football shape. Then once they get there they’ll start hitting consistantly in practice leading up to the regular season. I don’t know if this number is still accurate but about a week ago Adam Schefter reported that there had been something like 11 torn achilles tendons already since camps started. That’s the kind of thing Haley is protecting his players from. If he can do that and still give the starters time to “gel” before September 11th I’m fine with watching a couple really bad preseason games, but I’d love to hear what you think.

As always, thanks for reading and GO CHIEFS!!!!!!!!!

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@Arowhead_Addict@AdamSchefers Well I disagree with your disagreement! :-) Honestly, even though no one can predict the final outcome when you don't play most of your star players and don't plan to use the couple that do play you can easily predict that the fans aren't going to be upset. Especially since TB was on record as saying they were going to play their starters for longer then normal for the first preseason game. You don't have to be brilliant to predict how that's going to go. No they couldn't have known that the second and third string wouldn't play that well vs the Bucs backups, but at that point does it matter? If fans don't get to see Hali, Flowers, Dorsey, Breaston, McClain, Gregg, and Gilberry play at all and Cassel, Charles, and D-Bowe have zero stats combined would they really have felt they got their money's worth if Stanzi had thrown a touchdown pass in the fourth quarter? The exact outcome can never be known but given the Chiefs refusal to play their best players combined with TB saying they would use theirs plenty. This was predictable.

I disagree actually. One has nothing to do with the other. He did make the fans pay full price and the Chiefs did put a crappy product on the field. That doesn't mean that Hunt doesn't interfere with the running of the team. It could mean he doesn't care if the product is good or bad int he preseason. Plus there is no way for Clark to know how crappy the backups are going to perform. For all he knew, the Chiefs could have come out and stomped the Bucs...thus the fans would have felt like they got their monies worth. @AdamSchefers@LyleGraversen

Lyle - I missed the Palko picture tag line - Freakin' hilarious - conditioning!! Excellent add by Celtks!

@LyleGraversen Season ticket holders don't have choice - we have to buy the preseason right along with the regular season. I couldn't agre with both points. If Haley wants to treat preseason as scrimmage I'm good with that but as Big Matt states that is a huge rip off to sell preseason tickets just like the regular season. They damn well out to be selling those tickets for $15 each with free parking

@Celtks Palko looks like Pauly Shore like that.....Wheeeeezel

@Celtks Palko looks like Paulie Shoe like that

@tracy_water_heater indubitably

@Big MattActually I'm sure there are a lot of season ticket holders who don't go to the preseason games because of games like Friday. Why pay the gas, parking, food, etc.? Our real disagreement is about Hunt though. We've had this debate before so I'll try not to repeat my exact same points. First, let me say that I am on record as saying that I think Hunt totally botched his first couple years on the job. He should have run Carl out right away, but didn't. Then he appears to have backed Herm going with a youth rebuild, but with Carl still on board. Then when he FINALLY did what everyone knew he should have done on day one and fire Carl the team was at rock bottom. Then he had the sense to hire the best GM candidate on the market, Pioli. Pioli clearly wasn't going to build his "new dynasty" off Herm's blueprint so we essentially had back to back years of starting over. When you do that you're going to suck. When the hotshot GM you hire doesn't believe in building through free agency and your team sucks that bad, you're going to have really low payrolls. I don't think there is anything you can throw at me that can convince me that this hasn't been Pioli's team since the day he came on board. If you want to bash the Chiefs for not signing more high dollar players (no I'm not talking about going "all Daniel Snyder", just more quality signings) then at least for the two previous seasons I think that blame goes to Pioli, not Hunt. Now, maybe Hunt only hired Pioli because he's a GM that doesn't believe in building with high dollar FAs, but as I've argued before I don't believe for a minute that Pioli would be the Chiefs GM if Hunt was standing between him and the players he thought he needed to win. So in summary, is Clark Hunt a business man first? Yes. Has he made some bad decisions since he took over the team? Yes. Do I think he is interfering with what Pioli and Haley want to do to build a winner? No. I'm really not trying to be one of those "rah rah, he owns my beloved team so I have to think he's great" kind of guys. I just think that after we signed Breaston we were excited, then the let down of not getting the NT we wanted followed by days of no signings brought out a whole lot of "Clark Hunt is the devil and is keeping the Chiefs from winning" craziness. He's clearly not perfect, but in my opinion he's also not horrible.

@AdamSchefers @LyleGraversen Oh man, me too. Although Lyle is correct when he says that the preseason strategy alone is proof Clark doesn't meddle in everything. Because if he did, that wouldn't have been his choice, obviously.

@LyleGraversen@Big Matt I'd be really pissed if I bought a season ticket and had to pay for a game like that..

If we can all agree on what happened Friday, sub played, first string, mostly not. What did we learn. Subs are not as good as first string (hopefully), some looked like they should stick around and some not so much. What did the coaches learn? Haley said team did not give up, ok? What else? Did not notice anyone threatening to replace anyone on last years starter roster? Point is Haley has a plan, it seems to be to id backups or potentialites. Not sure that will make us ready for the regular season and isn't that the point of preseason? Not just building a potential dynasty but play the 2011 season as if you wanted to win it all. Anyone?

@LyleGraversen Honestly, I think the type of person that is interested in going to a preseason game will probably be back next year, yes. And they certainly will be if they're a season ticket holder. Because they have to be, at full price, no matter what! And thats a policy Clark Hunt could easily change if he wanted to or gave a shit. you want me to admit Clunt isn't "constantly interfering with day to day operations"? Fine, admitted. He's in Dallas day-to-day, if I'm not mistaken. He's earned his reputation as a low spender (and then some) by spending less than almost everyone else, every year, by claiming to be a small-market team while collecting just as much TV revenue (which is where most of the $$ comes from) as everyone else, by squeezing the city for tax $ to build his new stadium after threatening to move the team, by laying off employees during the lockout when other teams weren't, and by numerous other actions we've gone over 100 times. Now the payroll will be what, 20th? Because they re-signed an absolutely must-sign player and brought in a few role players? And this case is closed now? Lyle, I love you man, but you're giving him far too easy of a time on this. Can we at least wait for a few consecutive years of almost league average spending before we close the book on Clunt: cheapskate?

@LyleGraversen Honestly, I think the type of person that is interested in going to a preseason game will probably be back next year, yes. And they certainly will be if they're a season ticket holder. Because they have to be, at full price, no matter what! And thats a policy Clark Hunt could easily change if he wanted to or gave a fuck. you want me to admit Clunt isn't "constantly interfering with day to day operations"? Fine, admitted. He's in Dallas day-to-day, if I'm not mistaken. He's earned his reputation as a low spender (and then some) by spending less than almost everyone else, every year, by claiming to be a small-market team while collecting just as much TV revenue (which is where most of the $$ comes from) as everyone else, by laying off employees during the lockout when other teams weren't, and by numerous other actions we've gone over 100 times. Now the payroll will be what, 20th? Because they re-signed an absolutely must-sign player and brought in a few role players? And this case is closed now? Lyle, I love you man, but you're giving him far too easy of a time on this. Can we at least wait for a few consecutive years of almost league average spending before we close the book on Clunt: cheapskate?

@LyleGraversen@Big Matt I must say, I was disappointed with how they handled the last few minutes of the game. They kneeled to run the clock out. Did Haley want another play or two to evaluate the players, or did he just want to get out of there?

@DonnyRebel@tm1946 I can see what you're saying Donny, but when you've had a very abbreviated off-season with zero workouts, and a bunch of new faces on the team, it would really benefit these players to play in a couple of live games against an opposing team. Not saying preseason is a substitute for the regular season in terms of becoming cohesive, but it sure doesn't hurt. Does a lot better than letting the starters (new faces and all) ride the pine for the duration of the preseason. Do you think it's a good idea that the first time the starters play is the first snap of the regular season?

@Big Matt Come on Matt, 0f course the answer to that is true. But if the Chiefs develop a reputation of not playing their stars at all in the preseason then the already poor preseason sales will drop to nothing. It's not like this is a new issue. The owners themselves are on record as saying the fans don't want to pay for preseason (they just came to the wrong solution to the problem by trying to force the 18 game season on everyone). This is an acknowledged problem and when teams like the Chiefs treat the game like a JV vs Varsity scrimmage its just going to keep more people from going back. Do you really think anybody that bought a ticket to Friday night's game is going to rush out and buy a ticket to next year's first preseason game? Don't you think that if the Chiefs had at least put up a fight more people may have stuck around and purchased more food and alcohol? My point is that Clark Hunt may have earned his reputation of not being a big spender due to the low payrolls the last few years, but with the Chiefs being active (but smart) in free agency, giving in house talent big contracts, and letting coaches make decisions based on what they think will be best for getting the team ready as opposed to what might make people buy more preseason tickets. I think we can at least acknowledge that Clark Hunt is not constantly interfering with the day to day operations of the team and overriding Pioli and Haley when he thinks their decisions aren't best for the bottom line.

Decent to grasp brand-new areas such as an important backer. Really you should not consider the application in that possition though a lot of that backups looked like some people preferred using the area relatively severely. Except for my personal favorite db Lawrence, hardly ever could very well reel in an important rugby simply because WR though considered first rate at defensive.

@ChrisFranklin@LyleGraversen@DaMi Gaither was a 5th round choice in the 2007 supplemental draft.

@tm1946 Have you heard of practice? You think they hang out in between games? I said I wouldn't care if they started the season 0-4, that can be they're time to get rythm, the first month of the regular season, and then they can go on their 25 game win streak. You don't win the superbowl by being the best team in the pre-season. for example, Bears went 0-4 in the pre-season last year and then went to the NFC championship and the 49ers went 4-0 in the pre-season and got a top 10 draft pick. Pre-season means nothing. You get cohesiveness through the riggers of an entire season not playing a quarter in a pre-season. p.s. dont insinuate I do drugs, don't insult me. Last I checked we're both KC fans, don't belittle someone because of an opposing opinion you myopic terd.

re: The Evil and Greedy Clark Hunt true or false: by the time it became clear this whole game was going to be a sham, the tickets had already been sold?

@LyleGraversen@DaMi i agree with you on mims. with gaither around he will be able to teach him some tricks of the trade. wasnt gaither undrafted when he started?

@DonnyRebel Let's try what you suggest. You are saying in the NFL you can take 22 starters who have not played together one snap from Jan to Sep and they go on a 25 game winning streak?? That should be a tv movie, as in fantasy island, or maybe your doobie is sick. Last time I checked it is still a team sport, it takes some timing to work together but, but what the heck, let's try it.

If it was up to me, we wouldnt play a starter all pre-season and I wouldnt care if we went 0-4 to start the regular season because of it. As long as we went on a 25 game winning streak after that. Superbowl fella! Our team has the potential. Just think how bad the Chiefs were three years ago. Now our offense is loaded, comparable to 08' Arizona Cardinals or 07' Giants, not a great QB but adequate with recievers and a better running game than 80% of the NFL. Our defense is young and gifted with veterans serving as mentors for the youthful talent. As long as the coaches call the right plays we have the right players. I have never been this excited for our team. GO CHIEFS!

I thought Mims was horrid, as were most of OL Palko and Stanzi played with, except for Hudson, who stood out because he was at least adequate among the ruins.

@DaMi I agree for the most part. He was BY FAR the best undrafted lineman on the field. I did see him lunge in pass protection at least once which I'm sure isn't the desired technique, but I'm on record as hoping we keep Mims around. With Gaither around, I think we could now afford to let O'Callaghan walk and keep Mims who has more upside.

@DaMi Good to know he has a backer. Just do not remember it that way but to many the backups looked like they wanted out of town pretty badly. Except for my favorite db Lawrence, never could catch a football as WR but looked decent on defense.

David Mims played well Friday given his 1st NFL game. No one got around him, he flattened 4 players, did a nice job on a kick out run play. Give him more coaching and he'll be a monster. Remember, the knock on Mims was his level of competition in college. He proved he's ready for the big leagues Friday.

Boy, I watched the Tyler Palko interview that photo is from. Both looking at him and listening I had to think, hmm, this explains a lot. Note the rare combination of vacant expression with deer caught in headlights look. The hair thing, well..

KC MikeG 319 pts

Lyle - I missed the Palko picture tag line - Freakin' hilarious - conditioning!! Excellent add by Celtks!

tm1946 183 pts

If we can all agree on what happened Friday, sub played, first string, mostly not. What did we learn. Subs are not as good as first string (hopefully), some looked like they should stick around and some not so much. What did the coaches learn? Haley said team did not give up, ok? What else? Did not notice anyone threatening to replace anyone on last years starter roster? Point is Haley has a plan, it seems to be to id backups or potentialites. Not sure that will make us ready for the regular season and isn't that the point of preseason? Not just building a potential dynasty but play the 2011 season as if you wanted to win it all. Anyone?

tracy_water_heater 6 pts

Decent to grasp brand-new areas such as an important backer. Really you should not consider the application in that possition though a lot of that backups looked like some people preferred using the area relatively severely. Except for my personal favorite db Lawrence, hardly ever could very well reel in an important rugby simply because WR though considered first rate at defensive.

Big Matt 199 pts

re: The Evil and Greedy Clark Hunt

true or false: by the time it became clear this whole game was going to be a sham, the tickets had already been sold?

LyleGraversen 313 pts

Big Matt Come on Matt, 0f course the answer to that is true. But if the Chiefs develop a reputation of not playing their stars at all in the preseason then the already poor preseason sales will drop to nothing. It's not like this is a new issue. The owners themselves are on record as saying the fans don't want to pay for preseason (they just came to the wrong solution to the problem by trying to force the 18 game season on everyone). This is an acknowledged problem and when teams like the Chiefs treat the game like a JV vs Varsity scrimmage its just going to keep more people from going back. Do you really think anybody that bought a ticket to Friday night's game is going to rush out and buy a ticket to next year's first preseason game? Don't you think that if the Chiefs had at least put up a fight more people may have stuck around and purchased more food and alcohol?

My point is that Clark Hunt may have earned his reputation of not being a big spender due to the low payrolls the last few years, but with the Chiefs being active (but smart) in free agency, giving in house talent big contracts, and letting coaches make decisions based on what they think will be best for getting the team ready as opposed to what might make people buy more preseason tickets. I think we can at least acknowledge that Clark Hunt is not constantly interfering with the day to day operations of the team and overriding Pioli and Haley when he thinks their decisions aren't best for the bottom line.

BrettMurphy 14 pts

LyleGraversenBig Matt I must say, I was disappointed with how they handled the last few minutes of the game. They kneeled to run the clock out. Did Haley want another play or two to evaluate the players, or did he just want to get out of there?

Big Matt 199 pts

LyleGraversen Honestly, I think the type of person that is interested in going to a preseason game will probably be back next year, yes. And they certainly will be if they're a season ticket holder. Because they have to be, at full price, no matter what! And thats a policy Clark Hunt could easily change if he wanted to or gave a shit.

you want me to admit Clunt isn't "constantly interfering with day to day operations"? Fine, admitted. He's in Dallas day-to-day, if I'm not mistaken. He's earned his reputation as a low spender (and then some) by spending less than almost everyone else, every year, by claiming to be a small-market team while collecting just as much TV revenue (which is where most of the $$ comes from) as everyone else, by squeezing the city for tax $ to build his new stadium after threatening to move the team, by laying off employees during the lockout when other teams weren't, and by numerous other actions we've gone over 100 times. Now the payroll will be what, 20th? Because they re-signed an absolutely must-sign player and brought in a few role players? And this case is closed now?

Lyle, I love you man, but you're giving him far too easy of a time on this. Can we at least wait for a few consecutive years of almost league average spending before we close the book on Clunt: cheapskate?

LyleGraversen 313 pts

Big MattActually I'm sure there are a lot of season ticket holders who don't go to the preseason games because of games like Friday. Why pay the gas, parking, food, etc.?

Our real disagreement is about Hunt though. We've had this debate before so I'll try not to repeat my exact same points. First, let me say that I am on record as saying that I think Hunt totally botched his first couple years on the job. He should have run Carl out right away, but didn't. Then he appears to have backed Herm going with a youth rebuild, but with Carl still on board. Then when he FINALLY did what everyone knew he should have done on day one and fire Carl the team was at rock bottom. Then he had the sense to hire the best GM candidate on the market, Pioli. Pioli clearly wasn't going to build his "new dynasty" off Herm's blueprint so we essentially had back to back years of starting over. When you do that you're going to suck. When the hotshot GM you hire doesn't believe in building through free agency and your team sucks that bad, you're going to have really low payrolls.

I don't think there is anything you can throw at me that can convince me that this hasn't been Pioli's team since the day he came on board. If you want to bash the Chiefs for not signing more high dollar players (no I'm not talking about going "all Daniel Snyder", just more quality signings) then at least for the two previous seasons I think that blame goes to Pioli, not Hunt. Now, maybe Hunt only hired Pioli because he's a GM that doesn't believe in building with high dollar FAs, but as I've argued before I don't believe for a minute that Pioli would be the Chiefs GM if Hunt was standing between him and the players he thought he needed to win.

So in summary, is Clark Hunt a business man first? Yes. Has he made some bad decisions since he took over the team? Yes. Do I think he is interfering with what Pioli and Haley want to do to build a winner? No.

I'm really not trying to be one of those "rah rah, he owns my beloved team so I have to think he's great" kind of guys. I just think that after we signed Breaston we were excited, then the let down of not getting the NT we wanted followed by days of no signings brought out a whole lot of "Clark Hunt is the devil and is keeping the Chiefs from winning" craziness. He's clearly not perfect, but in my opinion he's also not horrible.

AdamSchefers 11 pts

LyleGraversenBig Matt I'd be really pissed if I bought a season ticket and had to pay for a game like that..

Big Matt 199 pts

AdamSchefers LyleGraversen Oh man, me too. Although Lyle is correct when he says that the preseason strategy alone is proof Clark doesn't meddle in everything. Because if he did, that wouldn't have been his choice, obviously.

Arowhead_Addict 491 pts

I disagree actually. One has nothing to do with the other. He did make the fans pay full price and the Chiefs did put a crappy product on the field. That doesn't mean that Hunt doesn't interfere with the running of the team. It could mean he doesn't care if the product is good or bad int he preseason.

Plus there is no way for Clark to know how crappy the backups are going to perform. For all he knew, the Chiefs could have come out and stomped the Bucs...thus the fans would have felt like they got their monies worth.

AdamSchefersLyleGraversen

LyleGraversen 313 pts

Arowhead_AddictAdamSchefers Well I disagree with your disagreement! :-) Honestly, even though no one can predict the final outcome when you don't play most of your star players and don't plan to use the couple that do play you can easily predict that the fans aren't going to be upset. Especially since TB was on record as saying they were going to play their starters for longer then normal for the first preseason game. You don't have to be brilliant to predict how that's going to go. No they couldn't have known that the second and third string wouldn't play that well vs the Bucs backups, but at that point does it matter? If fans don't get to see Hali, Flowers, Dorsey, Breaston, McClain, Gregg, and Gilberry play at all and Cassel, Charles, and D-Bowe have zero stats combined would they really have felt they got their money's worth if Stanzi had thrown a touchdown pass in the fourth quarter? The exact outcome can never be known but given the Chiefs refusal to play their best players combined with TB saying they would use theirs plenty. This was predictable.

KC MikeG 319 pts

LyleGraversen

Season ticket holders don't have choice - we have to buy the preseason right along with the regular season. I couldn't agre with both points. If Haley wants to treat preseason as scrimmage I'm good with that but as Big Matt states that is a huge rip off to sell preseason tickets just like the regular season. They damn well out to be selling those tickets for $15 each with free parking

DonnyRebel 15 pts

If it was up to me, we wouldnt play a starter all pre-season and I wouldnt care if we went 0-4 to start the regular season because of it. As long as we went on a 25 game winning streak after that. Superbowl fella! Our team has the potential. Just think how bad the Chiefs were three years ago. Now our offense is loaded, comparable to 08' Arizona Cardinals or 07' Giants, not a great QB but adequate with recievers and a better running game than 80% of the NFL. Our defense is young and gifted with veterans serving as mentors for the youthful talent. As long as the coaches call the right plays we have the right players. I have never been this excited for our team. GO CHIEFS!

tm1946 183 pts

DonnyRebel

Let's try what you suggest. You are saying in the NFL you can take 22 starters who have not played together one snap from Jan to Sep and they go on a 25 game winning streak?? That should be a tv movie, as in fantasy island, or maybe your doobie is sick. Last time I checked it is still a team sport, it takes some timing to work together but, but what the heck, let's try it.

DonnyRebel 15 pts

tm1946 Have you heard of practice? You think they hang out in between games? I said I wouldn't care if they started the season 0-4, that can be they're time to get rythm, the first month of the regular season, and then they can go on their 25 game win streak. You don't win the superbowl by being the best team in the pre-season. for example, Bears went 0-4 in the pre-season last year and then went to the NFC championship and the 49ers went 4-0 in the pre-season and got a top 10 draft pick. Pre-season means nothing. You get cohesiveness through the riggers of an entire season not playing a quarter in a pre-season. p.s. dont insinuate I do drugs, don't insult me. Last I checked we're both KC fans, don't belittle someone because of an opposing opinion you myopic terd.

BrettMurphy 14 pts

DonnyRebeltm1946 I can see what you're saying Donny, but when you've had a very abbreviated off-season with zero workouts, and a bunch of new faces on the team, it would really benefit these players to play in a couple of live games against an opposing team. Not saying preseason is a substitute for the regular season in terms of becoming cohesive, but it sure doesn't hurt. Does a lot better than letting the starters (new faces and all) ride the pine for the duration of the preseason. Do you think it's a good idea that the first time the starters play is the first snap of the regular season?

morefaves 7 pts

I thought Mims was horrid, as were most of OL Palko and Stanzi played with, except for Hudson, who stood out because he was at least adequate among the ruins.

DaMi 5 pts

David Mims played well Friday given his 1st NFL game. No one got around him, he flattened 4 players, did a nice job on a kick out run play. Give him more coaching and he'll be a monster. Remember, the knock on Mims was his level of competition in college. He proved he's ready for the big leagues Friday.

tm1946 183 pts

DaMi

Good to know he has a backer. Just do not remember it that way but to many the backups looked like they wanted out of town pretty badly. Except for my favorite db Lawrence, never could catch a football as WR but looked decent on defense.