K.C. Chiefs: Kelly Gregg Or Bust

by Chiefs


There are positives and negatives to everything. A lot of negatives have been thrown down about the signing of NT Kelly Gregg.

So, let’s bring some balance to the universe.

Kelly Gregg is 34 years old. Many think that Gregg’s skills are diminished. Last year he started 16 games for one of the best defenses in the NFL. Gregg started 14 games in 2009 the year after successful micro-fracture surgery. He had 63 tackles and 3 sacks that year and 38 tackles and no sacks last year. However, last year he was splitting time with rookie Terrance Cody and teaching him the trade.

None of that is evidence that Gregg’s skills have eroded. He just has had less snaps. Which is a plus for the Chiefs.

Kelly Gregg is one of those guys who know how to play the position so, age is is less of an issue for him.

Some have complained that Gregg had no sacks last year. First of all, nose tackles are not schemed to “sack” the QB. Pressure, yes, but, the sacking is usually done by the OLBs and the DEs in a 3-4. Secondly, Gregg was often replaced on third downs by Cody diminishing his opportunities to even get a sack on passing downs. Green Bay’s B.J. Raji had the highest number of sacks last season, 6.5, and that is a giant number for a 3-4 NT.

That’s another great thing about Gregg: he has played his whole career as a 3-4 NT.

Kelly Gregg also shares an important common background with Ray Lewis. Both have training in wrestling. Gregg was the winner of 3 straight Oklahoma state heavyweight titles. Lewis won the Florida state title at 189 pounds in 1993.

In his article called, “Ray Lewis and Kelly Gregg Use Wrestling Background to Succeed in the NFL” Jeremy Elliott quotes Ray Lewis as saying,

“Wrestling is still one of the reasons why I swivel my hips; it’s been everything for me. The principles that you learn in wrestling, none of that changes. It carries over, and if you stick to those things, the low man always wins.”     ~Ray Lewis

He also quotes Kelly Gregg as saying,

“There are a lot of good wrestlers that come through here. Honestly, I don’t think I would still be playing now if it wasn’t for my wrestling background.” ~Kelly Gregg

So, there’s a good reason for Kelly Gregg’s success. He plays with tremendous leverage. Hopefully he can impart some of his knowledge and wisdom to Jerrell Powe as he has to Terrance Cody.

Speaking of Ray Lewis. Was he the chicken or the egg. Did Kelly Gregg have anything to do with his ten year accent as the best MLB in the current era? You can bet Belcher and DJ are happy, happy campers right now!

Many others are disappointed that the Chiefs didn’t sign Aubrayo Franklin. This signing should not signal the end to Scott Pioli continuing to improve the team each and every day. If the acquisition of Franklin doesn’t happen then there must be a good reason for that. We may never find that reason out but, Pioli has been more right than wrong in the past 30 months.

Going from 4-12 to 10-6 should garner a little faith right?

In an article called “The Buddy System Works For The Ravens” Trevor Pryce is quoted as saying,

“We have some freaks of nature, but Kelly is a freak of nature too, now,” said Pryce, who led the team with 13 sacks. “Kelly is strong in ways that people don’t understand. He’s weightlifter strong, but he says he doesn’t lift weights anymore. It’s a natural thing he was born with. He has that leverage [from being smaller than most opponents] and he tries to take advantage of it.”

He also said, “The way football works is kind of like everything else; the middle has to hold everything else up. It’s almost like the human body, your core is the most important thing. And Kelly is our core.”

Trevor spoke about his days playing for the Denver Broncos,

“In Denver, anytime we watched film of the Ravens, our D-line coach would go crazy,” Pryce said. “He would praise Kelly and say, ‘Aaghh, that’s the best player in the NFL!’ He’d say it all the time. He loved him. Our D-line coach was one of those old hard-nosed guys, and he’d say all the time that Kelly is the best defensive lineman in the NFL.”

Kelly Gregg may be 34 now but, you can bet he’s still got gas in the tank.

Some say Kelly Gregg is a step down, or laterally, from Ron Edwards. That’s non-sense. Gregg has been considered one of the better true nose tackles in the league for years now.

If you consider the nose tackle the heart of a 3-4 defense then we just signed the heart of a defense that allowed 93.9 yards per game last season (splitting time with Cody). Fifth in the league. Before that, in 2009, the Ravens allowed 93.2 (mainly Gregg).

Some have said we should have kept Ron Edwards. Pioli inherited Ron Edwards. Whether or not the Chiefs let Edwards and Shaun Smith “slip” away is not important now. There’s nothing that can be done about that. Except… sign a good NT. The Chiefs have done that and I’m sure they signed “their kind of guy.” Also, I was more concerned about losing Shaun Smith. He was much better than projected and became an energetic leader on the field and we know he was Crennel’s guy from Cleveland.

An advantage to this signing is the La’Ron McClain connection. If you’re wanting the Chiefs to sign La’Ron McClain the percentages probably just increased. Especially if you’re aware of how Scott Pioli likes to bring players in, in pairs.

The important thing to remember here is… the Chiefs signed one heck of a NT and he’s the kind of player where everyone around him is better when he’s on the field. He’s also a good locker roomie.

Another positive from this signing is that it shows players are wanting to come to, and play for, the Kansas City Chiefs. We are becoming a destination that players now consider attractive.

All winter long Chiefs’ fans have been clamoring for the NT position to be addressed. So, Pioli addresses it but, many are still unhappy. Kelly Gregg is a veteran and is obviously not meant to be the future. The Chiefs probably don’t have that “future” player on their roster yet. However, I’d love to see the Chiefs go to battle with Gregg, Dorsey and Powe manning the middle.

Could be epic.

I know what you’re thinking… epic fail.

Just don’t go there.

Rex Ryan once said of Gregg, “He can whip a lot of people with his body control and his leverage. He has built-in leverage with his height and he plays with his knees bent and everything is in a power path, and he can bench 550 pounds. He may not look big, but he is big. He’s a great player, a super technician.”

The Raven were trying to resign Gregg.

If Ray-Ray still wants him… why don’t you?

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The Chiefs know wrestlers. Some of us remember a great ASU one and a super DL man for the CHIEFS. Yep Curly Culp was the man in our interior line for many great years.

anytime a team has a chance to upgrade with a proven vet is a plus.The the chiefs were looking to secure the D-line and with the signing of greg looks like a plus.And if you you look at who has come over from the Pat's and the positive results over the last two years .Coming out of the pits of hell to join the contenders is a plus.So go chiefs.

Thanks Lyle! And instead of being so thrilled to jump on a postive comment with your immature name calling and criticism you might want to read my comment again which said "Edwards?Perv had never..." with the ? indicating I was unsure of the Perv's time spent on the DL in Cleveland. You were so proud of your discovery of my "error" that you had to repeat it twice in your response. Maybe you should spend a little more time on your spelling (appalling not appauling DUH!). As for tm1946 if you don't even know why you were a fan of the skins then how could you even begin to understand believing in the continued growth and success of the Chiefs? And here's another one for you both - GO CHIEFS! CHIEFS WILL 2011!!

I just found this great article on Bleacher Report comparing stats between Gregg, Franklin & Edwards - real eye opener for the doubters and reinforces the belief I had that this is an excellent strategic signing that will make our D even better than last year!



http://bleacherreport.com/articles/785978-nt-kelly-gregg-is-a-playoff-caliber-fit-for-the-kansas-city-chiefs-defense



CHIEFS WILL 2011!

Id like to clear some points...

--> I never said Gregg is a monster, or will be, for the Chiefs. I think Gregg will part of a solution which is exactly what he was in Baltimore. I re-watched the Ravens-Chiefs playoff game last night. Gregg was on and off the field during the whole game as was all of their defensive front. That's how they keep em fresh. BTW... Gregg was better late in the game than early... for those of you who think he's lost a step.

--> Some were wondering why I didn't mention certain other players on the Ravens. The post was not about them. I mentioned Ray Lewis... because he is kind of a significant player in this league and he and Gregg have a history. BTW... I'm not a Ray Lewis fan... so I'm not coming from that standpoint.

--> Finally, I was simply pointing out that this is a good signing. In light of the Chiefs huge hole at the nose... the signing looks even better.

Gregg is absolutely an upgrade, maybe not the monster stud everyone was wanting, but he is indeed talented and experienced. When one considers the " mentoring" factor I believe this a good move for the organization. Their is no need to spend lavishly on the remaining FA NT's out there because none of them are that dominant. This I think has at least 1 decent year of playing time left in the tank and is known as a good mentor.

@suicidal industries Before you call someone a tool for sharing their opinion you should do your homework. Smith did play some NT for Romeo in Clv, but his best season there was at the same 3-4 DE position he played here in KC. Your also wrong about Ngata.

@suicidal industries

Unfortunately there are so many on several sites that are content to say "Go Chiefs" and pretend the team is ready for superbowl wins for the next decade. Sort of a shame, do not agree everything Pioli pawns off on us and you are a hater, most recently a redskins fan (not sure why?) But it doesnot matter, every move is subject to scrutiny and they ain't talking.



For the "go Chiefs" guys, might try the team home site, real found of blind, obedient support there.

Lol KC Mike GYou say ,"Perv never played NT before coming to KC - is that who we want training Powe??Uhh did you forget that he played NT in Romeo's 3-4 in Cleveland? Or what? He had the best season of his career that year. He even punched Brady Quinn square in the face........the lack of overall football knowledge not relating to the Chiefs on this site is appauling. Take the blinders off and put the cool aid down. Ngata is the Ravens Nose Tackle, and hate to break it to you but the Perv played NT before last year. A year that he hardly played any NT in fact....... Tool.

Hey thanks... being a new writer at AA... I'm glad we have a wide range of views. Feels like we have it all covered that way. Nobodies "right" but everybody has a voice... except Jason Whitlock... please... let's not go there. :)@Nick Rodgers

Yep... but, I do understand a lot of people's disappointment because so many thought... or hoped... we'd sign Franklin out of San Fran. Guess ya can't please everybody. @KC MikeG

@laddiemorse Totally. Relatively inexpensive, low risk. If Chad goes Moss on the hoodie, they ship him off.

Excellent perspective Ladner - especially because it has some optimism! Pioli knows exactly what he is doing - Gregg IS an up grade over Edwards no matter what the naysayers whine about. Plus most importantly he has been one of the best NT on the best D's - ILB don't have Pro Bowl success w/o good NT play. Whatch the film - Gregg ties up 2 blockers frequently which was not the case by anyone playing NT for us. Watch DJ have a Pro Bowl year now. Edwards?Perv never played NT before coming to KC - is that who we want training Powe?? Go ahead and add this one to the growinfg list of reasons why "In Pioli We Trust". Don't worry Ladner some people just take longer to embrace success than others!

@suicidal industries Dude, chill out. If you define players by the traditional definitions as interior d lineman are DTs and smaller d linemen who rush of the edge then yes, Ngata is a DT. However, in the Ravens 3-4 Ngata technically plays DE, same as technically Glenn Dorsey plays DE for us even though he is a true DT. Now similar to Dorsey Ngata would slide in and Gregg would go out some on passing downs, but in their base Ngata didn't play NT and Gregg didn't play DE. So nothing in Ladner's post was wrong.

@suicidal industries Dude, I think you missed the point. Might want to read it again...

Bravo here Ladner. Very good argument, well written. Don't let the haters dim your shine.

I like having differing opinions on the site.

@suicidal industries @dmclaughlin1221 Why do you care so much what position Ngata playes, man? I'm pretty sure the article was about Kelly Gregg and why he was a good pick up. Not the Ravens D line. I'm also pretty sure that every Chiefs fan would have take Ngata over Gregg, but he isn't available.

yall are lame... who cares if he is DT DE... we get who we get and we got gregg. dont be so quick to bash pioli, he knows football better than you can read an espn depth chart...

Bottom line is. Torbio was undrafted and barely played last year. Powe was a late round pick who has learning disabilities. He is on a short off season and a rookie. To expect great things out of that is not wise. Gregg does help add quality depth. But that should be all he is DEPTH. Last year Football outsiders and Pro Football Focus have Ron Edwards listed as being better during NT snaps than Gregg. We need to sign Ty Warren as well since he can be had for the minimum. Or pay up for Franklin. I'd say pay up for a guy that you don't have to groom or coach up and you will have him for the next 5-6 years. That's a no brainer.

@dmclaughlin1221Well I mean come on thats like writing about their line backer corps and not mentioning Ray Ray....... Blasphemy.

Jeff Saturday talking about the top 5 DT's in the league. Haloti is ranked #1 DT in the league by Jeff Saturday!!!! a center. Who goes up against Nose tackles.... See how that works...... SMH...... @kreed

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRU7zAvUVCE

Wow...a litlle hostility there my friend? Remember, we are all Chiefs fans... @suicidal industries

I'm sure him being from Wichita, Kansas didn't hurt either and Ngata was a DE, not NT.

@chiefsjunkie1971

So there you go. Now what. Not mentioning Ngata, who is their best d line man, when you mention Cody, who barely played last year, shows how little you actually know.

@chiefsjunkie1971

Ngata http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/9598/haloti-ngatais listed as a DT on espn.com Maybe next time you source something you shouldn't use a site that has contradictory reports on it. He is listed as DT on nfl.com and espn.com not a DE!

@chiefsjunkie1971

your looking at an espn.com depth chart that says its simulated. It doesn't even have a back up listed for Reed or Ngata. Your a joke.

@laddiemorse

He is not listed as even being on the team in the same area....http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/roster/_/name/bal/baltimore-ravensseriously it says he is not on their team. He is listed as a DT so is Ngata. and NFL.com has them both as DT's. Ngata played in the middle a lot more than Gregg. Thats the bottom line.

I think you're right and also... that Haynesworth and Chad Johnson are just "stop-gaps" in NE too.@sidibeke

I'm on board. Tyson showed some signs last year before his injury and didn't get back on the field as starter thereafter. Might as well give him his shot and let Smith go.



I don't think you can see this as a step back. Sweet Ron performed admirably, be he's not a true NT. Now, we have two, and one is a rookie. Gregg is a low risk investment: we'll get a solid NT for a year and can take it from there. I'm looking forward to Dorsey, Gregg and Jackson. Let's see what they've got!



Also, won't be surprised is Pioli is done. One thing I've come to think is that he's more on bringing along drafted talent and use FA as nothing more than stop-gaps.

BTW... I'd much rather have Ngata... if you can talk him into it. @chiefsjunkie1971

my bad... maybe I shouldn't drink this cold one after all lol

Ngata is listed as DE. @chiefsjunkie1971

isnt Haloti Ngata a DT?

If you'll look on the ESPN web site Gregg has always been listed as the starting NT. Take a peak... his name is STILL listed there. Besides... Gregg played way more nose than DE. Anyway... the Chiefs will love that kind of flexibility.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/depth/_/name/bal/formation/3-4-defense

Who's gone epic now?@suicidal industries

You did not mention Haloti Ngata one time in your post. You realize that he is the NT for the Ravens right. Not Gregg. Gregg played more 3-4 DE because of Ngata than he ever played NT. Cody played NT and DE last year, Gregg played DE and NT, Ngata only played NT and he is one of the best in the league. The other two were rotational players similar to Shaun Smith!!!! We did not sign Ngata. We signed Gregg. Epic fail.....

Its beer:30 and catching up on the days news and I have to say I 100% agree with Ladner on this one. There is not much to NOT like about Kelly except his age. He knows the trade, he can teach the trade and he still has some fire left to plug up the center. Yea Franklin would have been nice but I think Pioli still has some things in store for us as far as signings go. So I think Kelly is a bargain regardless of whether he is a warm body for the position OR to train whoever the front office has in mind for the long haul. aside from that you really cant replace experience with anything but experience and be successful he comes with a bonus he is a heck of a leader on the field and in the locker room.

Very nice write-up Ladner. You made your case well.

otis89 5 pts

The Chiefs know wrestlers. Some of us remember a great ASU one and a super DL man for the CHIEFS. Yep Curly Culp was the man in our interior line for many great years.

KennethReed 7 pts

anytime a team has a chance to upgrade with a proven vet is a plus.The the chiefs were looking to secure the D-line and with the signing of greg looks like a plus.And if you you look at who has come over from the Pat's and the positive results over the last two years .Coming out of the pits of hell to join the contenders is a plus.So go chiefs.

KC MikeG 319 pts

Thanks Lyle! And instead of being so thrilled to jump on a postive comment with your immature name calling and criticism you might want to read my comment again which said "Edwards?Perv had never..." with the ? indicating I was unsure of the Perv's time spent on the DL in Cleveland. You were so proud of your discovery of my "error" that you had to repeat it twice in your response. Maybe you should spend a little more time on your spelling (appalling not appauling DUH!). As for tm1946 if you don't even know why you were a fan of the skins then how could you even begin to understand believing in the continued growth and success of the Chiefs? And here's another one for you both - GO CHIEFS! CHIEFS WILL 2011!!

KC MikeG 319 pts

I just found this great article on Bleacher Report comparing stats between Gregg, Franklin & Edwards - real eye opener for the doubters and reinforces the belief I had that this is an excellent strategic signing that will make our D even better than last year!

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/785978-nt-kelly-gregg-is-a-playoff-caliber-fit-for-the-kansas-city-chiefs-defense

CHIEFS WILL 2011!

laddiemorse 205 pts

Id like to clear some points...

--> I never said Gregg is a monster, or will be, for the Chiefs. I think Gregg will part of a solution which is exactly what he was in Baltimore. I re-watched the Ravens-Chiefs playoff game last night. Gregg was on and off the field during the whole game as was all of their defensive front. That's how they keep em fresh. BTW... Gregg was better late in the game than early... for those of you who think he's lost a step.

--> Some were wondering why I didn't mention certain other players on the Ravens. The post was not about them. I mentioned Ray Lewis... because he is kind of a significant player in this league and he and Gregg have a history. BTW... I'm not a Ray Lewis fan... so I'm not coming from that standpoint.

--> Finally, I was simply pointing out that this is a good signing. In light of the Chiefs huge hole at the nose... the signing looks even better.

WarpaintDenny 6 pts

Gregg is absolutely an upgrade, maybe not the monster stud everyone was wanting, but he is indeed talented and experienced. When one considers the " mentoring" factor I believe this a good move for the organization. Their is no need to spend lavishly on the remaining FA NT's out there because none of them are that dominant. This I think has at least 1 decent year of playing time left in the tank and is known as a good mentor.

KC MikeG 319 pts

Excellent perspective Ladner - especially because it has some optimism! Pioli knows exactly what he is doing - Gregg IS an up grade over Edwards no matter what the naysayers whine about. Plus most importantly he has been one of the best NT on the best D's - ILB don't have Pro Bowl success w/o good NT play. Whatch the film - Gregg ties up 2 blockers frequently which was not the case by anyone playing NT for us. Watch DJ have a Pro Bowl year now. Edwards?Perv never played NT before coming to KC - is that who we want training Powe?? Go ahead and add this one to the growinfg list of reasons why "In Pioli We Trust". Don't worry Ladner some people just take longer to embrace success than others!

laddiemorse 205 pts

Yep... but, I do understand a lot of people's disappointment because so many thought... or hoped... we'd sign Franklin out of San Fran. Guess ya can't please everybody. KC MikeG

suicidal industries 5 pts

Lol KC Mike GYou say ,"Perv never played NT before coming to KC - is that who we want training Powe??Uhh did you forget that he played NT in Romeo's 3-4 in Cleveland? Or what? He had the best season of his career that year. He even punched Brady Quinn square in the face........the lack of overall football knowledge not relating to the Chiefs on this site is appauling. Take the blinders off and put the cool aid down. Ngata is the Ravens Nose Tackle, and hate to break it to you but the Perv played NT before last year. A year that he hardly played any NT in fact....... Tool.

tm1946 183 pts

suicidal industries

Unfortunately there are so many on several sites that are content to say "Go Chiefs" and pretend the team is ready for superbowl wins for the next decade. Sort of a shame, do not agree everything Pioli pawns off on us and you are a hater, most recently a redskins fan (not sure why?) But it doesnot matter, every move is subject to scrutiny and they ain't talking.

For the "go Chiefs" guys, might try the team home site, real found of blind, obedient support there.

LyleGraversen 313 pts

suicidal industries Before you call someone a tool for sharing their opinion you should do your homework. Smith did play some NT for Romeo in Clv, but his best season there was at the same 3-4 DE position he played here in KC. Your also wrong about Ngata.

Nick Rodgers 62 pts

Bravo here Ladner. Very good argument, well written. Don't let the haters dim your shine.

I like having differing opinions on the site.

laddiemorse 205 pts

Hey thanks... being a new writer at AA... I'm glad we have a wide range of views. Feels like we have it all covered that way. Nobodies "right" but everybody has a voice... except Jason Whitlock... please... let's not go there. :)Nick Rodgers