Matt Cassel = Kyle Orton

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I love Matt Cassel. You love Matt Cassel. We all love Matt Cassel.

But we really have to look at the numbers.

So, imagine for a second that you have a QB who just threw for 20 touchdowns and 9 interceptions in the season. You surprised everyone. No one expected you to do as well as you did. It was ridiculous, frankly.

Now imagine for a second that you have a QB who just threw for 27 touchdowns and 7 interceptions in a season in which no one expected much out of you. Great, right?

Except that you had the league’s best running game and generally dependable defense. The first guy didn’t.

So, who’s better?

Huh? Yes.

A guy who put up very good production with nothing behind him? — Or a guy who put up phenomenal stats on a team that didn’t need him to pitch it around in clutch situations because the running game had already won the game?

To kill the suspense the latter player I am referring to is Chiefs QB Matt Cassel, the former is Denver QB Kyle Orton, who was out with injuries for three games but still put up comparable stats as Cassel, and he’s on the trading block.

I personally believe that Cassel is still developing and growing as a player.  I think that in his third year in Haley’s system and with the same guys he will hit his stride and ride it through the season deep into the playoffs.

But what if he doesn’t?

The fact is that we have a very effective offensive scheme built around a monster of a player in Jamaal Charles. And, while this offense was insanely productive, it would have been fundamentally the same if Kyle Orton had been under center.

Orton didn’t have the same ridiculously good stats, he didn’t have the W-L record that Cassel can now boast, but I don’t think he should be considered a lesser QB. Orton was playing for a much worse team with injuries to boot. He had no running game. His defense is/was a total mess, and he still managed to score three unanswered TDs on our D in the first quarter of their first meeting last year.

Both Orton and Cassel had their good games and their bad games. But at the end of the day are they the same skill level? …. Yes.

At this point, I still can see no reason to say that Matt Cassel is a considerably better player than Kyle Orton, who is currently offered as trade bait – probably for a 3rd rounder. So did we get a good deal with Cassel and Vrabel for a 2nd?

For now, yes.

But what if we had snatched up Orton for nothing and spent the rest on the holes that our team currently struggles with? What if we had one more legit O-lineman? What if our playoff loss could have been a game not a humiliation?

I challenge every Cassel-lover out there to prove to me that he is significantly better than Orton and everyone else in that class of mediocre QB’s.

Did Cassel step above his role-player status and take control of a close game? No. In 2010, most of our close games slipped away as Cassel chucked it around to no end.

Did he play like it was the playoffs? Well, when it was the playoffs, he was useless. Granted, his O-line wasn’t much help, but we can’t give him the post-season point one way or the other.

Orton did his best with what he had.

Cassel profited from a well-built team.

There it is.

Nikolozi, out.

 

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let me start by saying i DO NOT like matt cassel. He is just proof that anyone can run the patriots offense, (tom brady is over-rated). This article just points out why no one shouild get excited about him. In all the close games the chiefs were in, cassel was a non factor. It was 10 to 7 in the 3rd quarter of the ravens playoff game, until cassel decided to throw the game to the ravens. The offensive line can help when they are blitzing seven people, it is up to cassel to see the blitz and audible to a protection package. A good quarterback would know that. We have a tough schedule this year, (if we even have a season), so this will show how good cassel really is, and i watched film from those lockout workouts, and cassel was throwing picks left and right, so he isn't good at all, or he doesn't care, which isn't good either way. We should've drafted tyrod taylor from Virgina Tech he can pass, and more importantly he can run. We could've had an option package to farther expand our already great run offense, but he isn't all just running. He is a seriously under-rated passer. Look him up and tell me you wouldn't want to see him in chiefs red, because i wanted to.

To Nick Clayton, maybe you should breakdown as to when Orton gained alot of his yards and TDs. Hhhmmmm, the Broncos were always playing from far behind so if the stats are correct Orton gained alot of his yards and TD throwa with garbage 4th quarter crap...Seriously why else would they have been 7th in total passing yards and Brandon Lloyd a top 7 WR. I'm Canadian and I know more about football than you (Nick Clayton)

Ya goof a real KC fan not a whinny baby.We had a great running game a improved QB and a upgraded performance level by are D and things are getting better on are recieveing core.Bowe and Moeaki are as great as they get,and bring in a couple of other people to fill the gaps here and there.But this team can only go up.GO CHIEFS.

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It's not like Orton had nothing in Denver, Brandon Lloyd was one of the top deep threats in the league last year, plus a ton of young and vet receivers behind him. Cassel had the better run game and was expected to take care of the ball more, where as Orton and his receivers were the only way Denver could win last season. Cassel and his run game clearly worked out better in the win loss column.

Here's the deal. I'm not saying that Matt Cassel can physically play QB better then Kyle Orton. I'm not saying that Cassel makes better in game decisions then Orton. However, Orton won some games with Chicago as a "game manager" and they didn't want him as the long term answer. Orton put up GREAT numbers for the Broncos and they don't seem to want him as the long term answer. The guy is only 28 years old. Why weren't his Bears team mates fighting for him to stay? Why isn't the entire Broncos roster screaming for him to stay? Clearly there is something missing. On the other hand, Matt Cassel has been a liability at times to his team and yet this off season the team is looking to him as their leader during this lock out. Some people are just leaders and some aren't. I think the Rams game where Cassel played his heart out after the whole appendix thing was the turning point where this became HIS team. Will he ever be a QB that can carry his team to a SB win? Probably not, he'll need help from a great run game and a great defense. I do think that his team respects him and will play hard for him and I do think that matters. It's not as important as making plays on the field, but I think he showed last year that he can make enough to get the job done.

And can anyone tell me what the deal is with the points? I'll start posting nonsense if we are keeping score. I don't like to lose

Yea they are pretty much the same. I still like Cassel more. It has to do with Cassel wearing red and Orton wearing orange. It's personal between me and those donkeys

@Z12superfly But do you think it was Orton's fault? Some guys just can't put a team on their backs but I think a lot more QB's could be successful if teams surrounded them with the right coaches and teammates.

numbers are similar but who has more wins is the only thing i can think of. Orton had the broncos 6-0 and imploded to only go 2-8 the rest of the year

McDaniels started playing Tebow because the Broncos were dreadful...but that wasn't Orton's fault. The Broncos were terrible because McDaniels was a terrible coach and an even worst drafter. He was just trying to save his job. I'd take Orton on a decent team over Tebow any day. @Flash212

WTH, Nobody asked to be truth bombed!

uhm how bout the fact that orton cant even beat out tim teary eyes tebow!!!!

wow u just bummed me out.

Plus Cassel doesn't have a neck beard.

I believe you get points based on how many people like your comments. More likes equal more points which raises your prestige as an AA commenter.

Plus Cassel doesn't have a neck beard.

I believe you get points based on how many people like your comments. More likes equal more points which raises your prestige as an AA commenter.

jacobholm2011 5 pts

let me start by saying i DO NOT like matt cassel. He is just proof that anyone can run the patriots offense, (tom brady is over-rated). This article just points out why no one shouild get excited about him. In all the close games the chiefs were in, cassel was a non factor. It was 10 to 7 in the 3rd quarter of the ravens playoff game, until cassel decided to throw the game to the ravens. The offensive line can help when they are blitzing seven people, it is up to cassel to see the blitz and audible to a protection package. A good quarterback would know that. We have a tough schedule this year, (if we even have a season), so this will show how good cassel really is, and i watched film from those lockout workouts, and cassel was throwing picks left and right, so he isn't good at all, or he doesn't care, which isn't good either way. We should've drafted tyrod taylor from Virgina Tech he can pass, and more importantly he can run. We could've had an option package to farther expand our already great run offense, but he isn't all just running. He is a seriously under-rated passer. Look him up and tell me you wouldn't want to see him in chiefs red, because i wanted to.

piscosus 5 pts

To Nick Clayton, maybe you should breakdown as to when Orton gained alot of his yards and TDs. Hhhmmmm, the Broncos were always playing from far behind so if the stats are correct Orton gained alot of his yards and TD throwa with garbage 4th quarter crap...Seriously why else would they have been 7th in total passing yards and Brandon Lloyd a top 7 WR. I'm Canadian and I know more about football than you (Nick Clayton)

KennethReed 7 pts

Ya goof a real KC fan not a whinny baby.We had a great running game a improved QB and a upgraded performance level by are D and things are getting better on are recieveing core.Bowe and Moeaki are as great as they get,and bring in a couple of other people to fill the gaps here and there.But this team can only go up.GO CHIEFS.

LennyNightwolf 70 pts

It's not like Orton had nothing in Denver, Brandon Lloyd was one of the top deep threats in the league last year, plus a ton of young and vet receivers behind him. Cassel had the better run game and was expected to take care of the ball more, where as Orton and his receivers were the only way Denver could win last season. Cassel and his run game clearly worked out better in the win loss column.

LyleGraversen 313 pts

Here's the deal. I'm not saying that Matt Cassel can physically play QB better then Kyle Orton. I'm not saying that Cassel makes better in game decisions then Orton. However, Orton won some games with Chicago as a "game manager" and they didn't want him as the long term answer. Orton put up GREAT numbers for the Broncos and they don't seem to want him as the long term answer. The guy is only 28 years old. Why weren't his Bears team mates fighting for him to stay? Why isn't the entire Broncos roster screaming for him to stay? Clearly there is something missing. On the other hand, Matt Cassel has been a liability at times to his team and yet this off season the team is looking to him as their leader during this lock out. Some people are just leaders and some aren't. I think the Rams game where Cassel played his heart out after the whole appendix thing was the turning point where this became HIS team. Will he ever be a QB that can carry his team to a SB win? Probably not, he'll need help from a great run game and a great defense. I do think that his team respects him and will play hard for him and I do think that matters. It's not as important as making plays on the field, but I think he showed last year that he can make enough to get the job done.

Erich 123 pts

And can anyone tell me what the deal is with the points? I'll start posting nonsense if we are keeping score. I don't like to lose

Erich 123 pts

Yea they are pretty much the same. I still like Cassel more. It has to do with Cassel wearing red and Orton wearing orange. It's personal between me and those donkeys

Z12superfly 5 pts

numbers are similar but who has more wins is the only thing i can think of. Orton had the broncos 6-0 and imploded to only go 2-8 the rest of the year

Arowhead_Addict 491 pts

Z12superfly But do you think it was Orton's fault?

Some guys just can't put a team on their backs but I think a lot more QB's could be successful if teams surrounded them with the right coaches and teammates.

KevinAndersen 5 pts

WTH, Nobody asked to be truth bombed!

Flash212 5 pts

uhm how bout the fact that orton cant even beat out tim teary eyes tebow!!!!

Arowhead_Addict 491 pts

McDaniels started playing Tebow because the Broncos were dreadful...but that wasn't Orton's fault. The Broncos were terrible because McDaniels was a terrible coach and an even worst drafter. He was just trying to save his job.

I'd take Orton on a decent team over Tebow any day. Flash212