My Chief Concerns: What Is Tamba Hali Worth?

Agreed I dont villify the Hunts at all. But the only reason we are small market lately it due to the subsequent losing seasons. In my opinion and alot of peoples opinions we need to get some pickups at depth in wide reciever nose tackle and inside linebacker. Another good safety in case one goes down because McGraw in my opinion cant do it anymore. We did a nice job at Guard last year and I dare say we need to do the same at tackle this year. I dont think it would take to much, and especially if would could keep our own and then add a monster reciever I think we could compete next year.

Danny W, Your point is well taken. I just wanted to remind our fellow addicts that we are fortunate in some aspects. The Hunt family has been very supportive of the KC community although we are a stereotypical " small market team. " What that really means is if the Hunt family is all about maximizing return on investment then they would have surely moved the franchise by now. I for one don't believe this to be true. I do think the Hunt family wants to run an efficient franchise and make money though. I don't think as far as NFL owners go that they are particularly greedy. Player selection and compensation is part of a business decision based on economic and performance criteria that fit into a business model. A good business model emphasizes winning and reaping the financial rewards that come along with that. We have lots to talk about and debate other than pining about whether or not ownership is being stingy or greedy in negotiating player contracts.

CHILL Homies! Hali is not going anywhere, rather a Franchise Tag or a Contract I can not answer but he'll be a Chief for the forseable future. Guaranteed!

All this talk about the Chiefs not wanting to sign Hali or pay him what he is worth is pure speculation. Wake up folks ! Until there is a new CBA not much is going to get done anywhere. Yes we could have signed him before the end of the season, but we didn't, and I note there are a lot of stellar players w/o contracts right now. As many of you have commented the NFL is a business, and as such, ownership will take its time to leverage the best deals for the themselves. As fans we make not like this but hey that's the way our system works.

Here's a hypathetical; Hali supposedly wants Demarcus Ware money which is a deal for 78 million with 40 million in gurantee's with 45 million in the first three years. Okay Clunt pays Charles and DJ but cant seem to give Hali that much bread, so we tag him and try and get a first round pick for him from someone or trade him straight across for Fitz. The latter with trading players across rarely ever happens. So lets say we get a first round pick out of him. This year is the year to do it. The rookie class of OLB's out there right now is absurd it's so deep. Hali has had some off years but never lacked effort. I really love him but I gotta say Clunt did give us Romeo Crennel, Scott Pioli who was highly sought after and not cheap, We got Charlie Wies for one year. Yet has not shown us any big signings except Matt Cassel thus far, and Thomas Jones which I wouldn't call big but thats me. So my point is I bet there is buyers out there right now willing to give a first and a fith round pick for Hali; on a growing team that can go along way. I know it may be a gamble but one I wouldn't be terribly upset with. I know it sounds silly but on the same token a second rounder is no dice with me, unless you give up 2,3,and 4th pick.

I agree it's not time yet to judge Clark Hunt and "Clunt" is something I'd expect to hear from a Raider fan not an AA member. Also I say let the rich capitalists make their money; it's partly what makes this country great and separates us from the Communists, where everything gets brought down to the lowest common denominator. But I also would appreciate it if Clark would spend a little more and take us to the Superbowl....or even a playoff victory once in a while. Keep in mind though it's not always the teams who throw the most money around that win. Look at the Redskins and Cowboys lately! As far as Hali goes I really think we need to reward his loyalty for when times were tough, and for his amazing work ethic and skill. He is a leader in the trenches for us and someone that his teammates and fans could rally around when nothing else seems to be working. We have had one year now of good defense. Now is the time to build up upon the foundation that last year set. Losing Hali would be like taking away a major part of that foundation and hoping the building doesn’t come crashing down like it did on 09.

Supply and demand. Even with Hali on the roster we need MORE pass rush. Without him our defense takes a HUGE step back. Most of us are high on our secondary (myself included) but those guys would start to look like chumps real quick if we went back to only getting 10 total sacks in a season again. Even an average QB will pick you apart all day if there is no pressure. We have a HUGE demand for a pass rusher like Hali and there is a very little supply of guys who have proven they can do it. Therefore we will have to pay. If we don't that doesn't mean they don't believe in Tamba, it means they are choosing $ over putting the best team on the field. That would be crushing.

In order to have a good team,you have got to keep your good players,this would be very bad not to resign him.i think they would of learned by getting rid of jarred allan.what a dumb move.

One final note, NFL Channel is announcing several team will not use the "franchise tag" this year. They felt it may be due to it might be disappearing with a new CBA. Why comment big bucks, garanteed to a "tag" is will not exist.

Hail is good but as pointed out pretty much one dimensional. He does not drop into pass coverage and even after 3 years experience still fails to cover mis-direction plays like reverses and bootlegs.

Big Matt preaching the gospel on a friday Hallelujah!!

Jeremy, I love ya man, but yes, you are wrong. Whose money are you trying to save here? Because it sure as hell isn't ours. Those tickets will be the same price for us regardless of what happens with Tamba. And there may not be a cap now, but there was very recently, and the Chiefs weren't anywhere close to the limit. In fact, in 2009 they didn't even make the minimum level. We could pay Hali $30 million a year and it wouldn't hurt the team. It would hurt Clark Hunt's wallet. Thats it. Trying to save money at this point is trying to save his money, which isn't something we need to worry about. And if paying Hali means we can't afford someone else, thats on Clunt. He makes a shitload of money off this team every year. We paid for his stadium upgrade (which went largely to suite impprovements, btw. Wonder what they did to the owners suite?). If he limits spending, and that limit is near the bottom of the league, then he is placing profitability over competitiveness. And if there is no spending limit? Then go pay Hali whatever he wants. We're nowhere close to where a mythical future salary cap would be, I promise you. The #s shouldn't matter to us. We are not in the business of saving money for a billionaire. Get the deal done, don't pull out the small market excuse. That is a reasonable request. Very, considering what KC sports fans have been through.

tm1946 Like the comment, I dont really trust Pioli 100 percent just yet. Hali could be had for Tyson Jackson money, place some stipulations in there about bonuses and so on where if he decides to pull the Ol Haynesworth thing we cut him loose with no bread. I personally dont think Hali is that guy. I mean he is looking good, the guy is always' working through injuries and really in a premadona NFL you really dont find that anymore. His motor is rare sign the guy at six years 65million with stipulations on his gurantee's at the level he plays.

Will some of you please think about the Hali situation. It has nothing to do with how good he is, how much the fans love him, and not how he compares to other NFL OLBs/pass rushers. It is all about the Pioli plan and how Hali fits into it. I REPEAT Pioli has a plan that takes 4-5 years to put together. THIS IS THE START OF YEAR 3. Mr Pioli has not spent all the money available since day one. He is "saving" it for when the Chiefs are ready for the final push to dominance. He says we are not there yet, why?, because he NEVER went out and got a stinkin' WR for his 69 mil QB to throw to. Now get to Hali. When the Chiefs are "Pioli ready" will Hali still be a force. If not, why spend money on him? Note they signed Charles and DJ, why ignor Hali? Lots of questions and only speculation, the Chiefs do not talk. Should Hali be signed, sure, the Chiefs got tons, repeat tons of money but will Pioli part with any of it. Add no CBA and possible loss of frachise tag, and where does that leave Hali. Do not know but until he is signed, sealed and delivered, do not count on Pioli to do the "right thing."

There is a market price for his services, it's really that simple. The only question remaining is are we willing to pay it? If your premise is does Hali deserve that kind of money, well I'm not sure either. This is fine example of why the owners are pushing for a new CBA. Future earnings are tied to what you done in the past, NOT what is reasonably expected of what you will do in the future, unless of course you are a 1st rounder rookie getting more dough than established veterans. The NFL pay- scale is broken, I blame both the owners and the players.

I think you may be wrong for one reason and one reason alone that you yourself pointed out.Yes this was his best year, but it often takes this long for a player to develop, and halfway through he has to change positions. Hali is going to continue to excel. Reason being first and foremost because it is in his character to do so. I don't think on any given day that he would sleep at night if he did not give 110% all the time. Now I don't think he is a Dwight Freeney yet, but I do think he deserves to be paid like the top players at his position. Just not number one yet.

Someone will pay him 10-15 million a year. Do you want that to be the Chiefs? I believe that is the real question. He loves us, we love him. Get it done

I agree Jeremy. Tamba is worth money, but not Ware money.

Agreed I dont villify the Hunts at all. But the only reason we are small market lately it due to the subsequent losing seasons. In my opinion and alot of peoples opinions we need to get some pickups at depth in wide reciever nose tackle and inside linebacker. Another good safety in case one goes down because McGraw in my opinion cant do it anymore. We did a nice job at Guard last year and I dare say we need to do the same at tackle this year. I dont think it would take to much, and especially if would could keep our own and then add a monster reciever I think we could compete next year.

Danny W,

Your point is well taken. I just wanted to remind our fellow addicts that we are fortunate in some aspects. The Hunt family has been very supportive of the KC community although we are a stereotypical " small market team. " What that really means is if the Hunt family is all about maximizing return on investment then they would have surely moved the franchise by now. I for one don't believe this to be true. I do think the Hunt family wants to run an efficient franchise and make money though. I don't think as far as NFL owners go that they are particularly greedy. Player selection and compensation is part of a business decision based on economic and performance criteria that fit into a business model. A good business model emphasizes winning and reaping the financial rewards that come along with that. We have lots to talk about and debate other than pining about whether or not ownership is being stingy or greedy in negotiating player contracts.

CHILL Homies! Hali is not going anywhere, rather a Franchise Tag or a Contract I can not answer but he'll be a Chief for the forseable future. Guaranteed!

All this talk about the Chiefs not wanting to sign Hali or pay him what he is worth is pure speculation. Wake up folks ! Until there is a new CBA not much is going to get done anywhere. Yes we could have signed him before the end of the season, but we didn't, and I note there are a lot of stellar players w/o contracts right now. As many of you have commented the NFL is a business, and as such, ownership will take its time to leverage the best deals for the themselves. As fans we make not like this but hey that's the way our system works.

Here's a hypathetical; Hali supposedly wants Demarcus Ware money which is a deal for 78 million with 40 million in gurantee's with 45 million in the first three years.

Okay Clunt pays Charles and DJ but cant seem to give Hali that much bread, so we tag him and try and get a first round pick for him from someone or trade him straight across for Fitz.

The latter with trading players across rarely ever happens. So lets say we get a first round pick out of him.

This year is the year to do it. The rookie class of OLB's out there right now is absurd it's so deep. Hali has had some off years but never lacked effort. I really love him but I gotta say Clunt did give us Romeo Crennel, Scott Pioli who was highly sought after and not cheap, We got Charlie Wies for one year. Yet has not shown us any big signings except Matt Cassel thus far, and Thomas Jones which I wouldn't call big but thats me.

So my point is I bet there is buyers out there right now willing to give a first and a fith round pick for Hali; on a growing team that can go along way. I know it may be a gamble but one I wouldn't be terribly upset with. I know it sounds silly but on the same token a second rounder is no dice with me, unless you give up 2,3,and 4th pick.

I agree it's not time yet to judge Clark Hunt and "Clunt" is something I'd expect to hear from a Raider fan not an AA member. Also I say let the rich capitalists make their money; it's partly what makes this country great and separates us from the Communists, where everything gets brought down to the lowest common denominator.
But I also would appreciate it if Clark would spend a little more and take us to the Superbowl....or even a playoff victory once in a while. Keep in mind though it's not always the teams who throw the most money around that win. Look at the Redskins and Cowboys lately!
As far as Hali goes I really think we need to reward his loyalty for when times were tough, and for his amazing work ethic and skill. He is a leader in the trenches for us and someone that his teammates and fans could rally around when nothing else seems to be working. We have had one year now of good defense. Now is the time to build up upon the foundation that last year set. Losing Hali would be like taking away a major part of that foundation and hoping the building doesn’t come crashing down like it did on 09.