Two Good Signs

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The Kansas City Chiefs are 0-3 this preseason, and I can understand why some of you are a little upset about that.  There have been a lot of losses these past few years, and this must seem like more of the same.  When the preseason started most of us probably would’ve said we didn’t care much about wins or losses.  But then, we assumed we wouldn’t be losing all our games.  Sitting at 0-3, its easy to get nervous.

I’m not nervous.  Preseason record is just not a good indicator of regular season success.  It’s a nice chance to get a look at players in pads, that’s all.  I wouldn’t be celebrating if we’d won, so I’m not going to cry in my Smirnoff Ice* about a loss.  I don’t blame other people for being mad, I’m just saying I’m not.

*Smirnoff Ice actually makes my stomach hurt, but I’ve enjoyed a Zima or two in my day.  With a jolly rancher.

In fact, I’ll do you one better.  I came away from Friday’s contest extremely encouraged about two things:

1) Andy Studebaker

and

2) Jamaal Charles

We’ll start with The Student Baker.  The fact that he recorded two sacks is thrilling.  I seriously can’t overstate how happy I am about that.  We already know the run defense will struggle, so the pass defense has to be strong if we’re going to stop anyone.  The secondary should be good.  Now we need to find someone other than Tamba Hali to get to the quarterback.  A good secondary alone can’t stop an NFL offense.  No matter what Pioli and Haley say, pressure is still key.  Our pass rush has got to get better.

It appears Studebaker can rush the passer.  That fact alone should guarantee him significant playing time.  If it were up to me he’d be penciled in as the opening day starter at OLB.  Of course, it isn’t up to me (nothing ever is), and you know Vrabel is gonna start until he chooses to retire.  He’s got intangibles and veteran leadership!  And, uh, how about a little thing called mentoring?  What, you think Vrabel can do that from the bench?

Just clownin, gang.  I’ve got nothing against Vrabel.  In fact, he still looks like a decent player.  He just can’t really rush the passer anymore.  When you’ve got Sweet Ronnie Edwards and the LSU Block Eaters (band name?) up front, you need linebackers who can get to the quarterback.  If Studebaker can do that, then full steam ahead, get him in the lineup.

I’ve heard the Chiefs have experimented with moving Vrabel inside on the nickel package.  They should consider that for the base package, as well.   Haley needs to be flexible with linebacker positions in order to get the best guys on the field.  But that’s another post for another day…

I was also encouraged by the fact that Jamaal Charles finally got the start.  I know many of you think I’ve made too much of this issue, and perhaps you’re right (that remains to be seen).  It really doesn’t matter who “starts” as long as the carries are distributed correctly.

My problem is, I thought (and still sort of think) Haley actually prefers Thomas Jones to Charles.  You can make the case that they’re two different backs with two different styles, but then it becomes an issue of which style Haley wants to use the most.  I don’t think we’re going to move the chains pounding Thom Jones between the tackles.  He’s old, he had A LOT of carries last year, and this line isn’t built for a straight-ahead attack.

Charles’ style, on the other hand, has proven to be successful behind this line.  just like Conan O’Brien makes Andy Richter look funny, Jamaal Charles can make Ryan O’Callaghan and Rudy Niswanger look like decent blockers.  Jones makes them look like what they are: backup-caliber players thrust into a starting role due to a lack of better options.

Thom Jones should be used enough to switch it up and limit wear-and-tear on our best player, but this offense needs to feature Charles.  I think we can all agree on that, right?  I mean maybe I’m just a Jamaal Charles fanboy, but to me he is obviously the most talented player on this team.  Any success our offense has will be because of him.  Him, and my boy D-Bowe (had to sneak that in there).

I’m glad Haley started Charles friday, even if it is just a title.  He had me worried there for a while.  The most legitimate knock on Haley last year was his inability to recognize what he had in Charles.   We can’t see that mistake repeated.  The best players, particularly the ones with upside, need to play.

My Chiefs statue of liberty reads, “Give me your Studebakers, your Gilberrys, your Kendrick Lewis’ yearning to breathe free.”

We have young players with actual upside (as opposed to Tin Man upside, or “Tinside” as I like to call it).  They need to be in the lineup.  It’s as simple as that.

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Patrick, You are hitting on all cylinders here, I don't necessarily think Haley believes Jones is a better back than Charles though. As you correctly pointed out before, it would not be a good idea to have Charles touch the ball 30 plus times a game. As to the depth chart issue, well who knows what is really going on. I do however suspect that the Chief's brain trust is purposely attempting to create a lot of confusion and disinformation as possible, but I think it is for strategic reasons for when the real season starts.

Love the "Sweet" Ron nickname. Also, how much "tinside" does Loki have? Jones did look pretty good on Friday but that might have been against the B teamers...I can't remember. Some of the cuts Jamaal made on Friday were just incredible. LJ would have lost 3 yards given the same play. Of course, they wouldn't have designed that play for LJ but you get the picture. Who's cuter? Succop or Whitehurst? I think Succop could be the most attractive man in sports.

i agree, sesame. succup has really blossomed into a handsome man.

So we're all in agreement: Succop is handsome. I'd like to see one of you guys put your money where your mouth is and get a Succop jersey. The Centaur has already got his Grbac jersey, we know that much. Sesame, Tinside has a lot to do with failing to meet expectations. I'm not sure Lokey qualifies.

I like that call SeasCake, but boy it's gonna be hard to dethrone Whitehurst after all these years. If there is anyone who can do it tho, it's your boy Succop. I was about to pull the trigger on a dante hall pro bowl jersey, I better take a break.

I would worry more about our preseason record if we were a playoff contender.Since we're not just do what we need to do to get ready for the regular season. There is absolutely no doubt we are a much better team this year. I think Haley is saving Charles for the regular season and giving Jones the reps to get used to the playbook and o-line. At least I hope so. I don't want to think our young head coach missed the most obvious thing on this team-Charles is the best offensive weapon we've got. I think he starts when the regular season gets underway. Play Studebaker! Give him the experience this year so we can make a legitimate run next year. Kendrick Lewis and Jeremy Horne too.

MoValley in the House!

most of that sack success could point to your boy crennel. but one of the student baker's sacks was really impressive. he obviously has the desire to be a great player. i'm pretty excited about him. i think that jersey, purchased in conjunction with a chef hat, would make a pretty nice gift for yourself. it was a good day for our defense, but the eagles offense looked pretty weak.

I agree Centaur. I think you could see Crennel's signature all over our defense Friday night. The other thing I wonder is did the d-line play a lot better thus freeing up the linebackers to make those plays. Also, it appeared that our secondary had all the receivers covered and Kolb had no where to go. On 2 of those sacks it seemed like he had the time, just no one to throw to.

Another legitimate reason to question whether Thom Jones will continue to produce at the level he did last season is the simple fact that he no longer has a certain FB who wears #49 to lead block for him. See L.T.

DD: Good point, that and a good offensive line suited to his running style.

Yeah I would imagine the dropoff from that line and T-Rich to this line and Mike Cox is pretty huge. I think its going to be an uphill battle for Jones this season. No more than four yards per carry. I like Jones, always have. But this is starting to look like less than a match made in heaven for a variety of reasons. I still can't fucking believe we let T-Rich get away. Will never get over that.

"My Chiefs statue of liberty reads, “Give me your Studebakers, your Gilberrys, your Kendrick Lewis’ yearning to breathe free.” hahaha Dline- jury is still out, but I see up side Linebackers- check...talent is there with Romeo schemes Dbacks- check...Lewis, Flowers, and Berry are all legit... Lewis hell of a play, Berry is meeting running backs at the hole...he'll change run D alone Oline- Double Impact- we have a running game but pass is ? Running Game- check, Might be best in the NFL Quarterback- Jury is still out, hope he can manage a game and not throw interceptions, I think he'll be good Wide Receivers- Check...Bowe is back, Chambers is solid, & running backs cumming out of backfield will be huge Special teams- Check...Arenas & McCluster=Huge 5-Checks, and 2-Jury is still out, and 1-Double Impact (you don't know which Jean Claude you'll get) Time to put the women and children to bed and go lookin for fuckin dinner! Bring on the season! Chiefs!!!!!!!!!!!!

I know you were joking about the zimma jolley rancher right? Anyways I like Belcher the way he hits and how quick he is is un real. He has the attitude that oh how nice to see you I will take your head off now thanks. So why not pair up him and Demarr together and let Mays and DJ back up. One is good at filling in the run the other is good at the pass. Demarr also has a good attitude were he wants to get physical and he is faster than Mays. First string linebackers should be Hali, DeMarr, Belcher, and the Studebaker. Second string should be Walters, Mays, Johnson, and Vrabel. So I guess what I am saying is I agree.

I don't see how you can say that DJ should be coming off the bench. In my opinion, he is our second best linebacker we have behind Hali....and that is a very close second to me. After those two, I think there is a drop off in talent.

I, too like Demorrio Speedwagon. But I like DJ better. He has speed and talent, two things our front seven needs desperately. If it were up to me, Speedwagon and DJ would start on the inside. But Haley doesn't like that alignment, so it doesn't do me any good to keep wishing for it. PS I can see you're more of a "skittles in zima" kinda guy. To each his own.

we were winning a couple of those games before the starters were pulled. So that's a good sign. by the way, if you have'nt already watched the jamaal video on the mothership, it seemed to me that charles was'nt very high on cassel when asked about him.

While I agree that no matter how it is stated, Jamaal should be the featured back, period. There should be no questions about it. However, I can't remember where, but someone explaind it well. They said Jons should start the game pounding the rock, behind a fresh line. This gets the defense to slow down and settle into a pounding style. Then switch to Jamaal and while the defense knows it is coming, they will still out of habit try to respond with force instead of finesse and Jamaal will light them up. If you try to hammer him every time, you will probably miss and he will burn you for it. He is much more likely to get tackled by an ankle or shoelace grab, than by throwing all your weight into it. Guys like Ray Lewis might be able to take big power backs out with vicious hits. But they WON'T hit Jamaal head on, he will make them miss!! This explanation makes sense to me. And if you start with Charles, Jones will be completely worthless, because the defense will be playing fast, and he is not fast. He did run the ball well Friday, at least I thought he did.

If you watched the jets at all last year they did the oppositte of what you say and it worked well. Thomas Jones got most of the carries in the second half when the defense was a little worn down and he was very succesfull. Let them chase the faster charles for two quarters then put the bull dozer in.

Jason, Yeah, I've heard that explanation. I think Paddy is a proponent. I don't know, I guess it makes sense in theory. But I haven't heard Haley or anyone else with the Chiefs say that. None of us really know what the plan is until we see it in action. Haley says he'll "ride the hot hand." I'm not fully confident in his ability to gauge that. I mean, was LJ the "hot hand" when he was getting 2.7 yards per carry? What will it take for Thom Jones' hand to be considered hot? 3 yards up the middle?

Patrick,

You are hitting on all cylinders here, I don't necessarily think Haley believes Jones is a better back than Charles though. As you correctly pointed out before, it would not be a good idea to have Charles touch the ball 30 plus times a game. As to the depth chart issue, well who knows what is really going on. I do however suspect that the Chief's brain trust is purposely attempting to create a lot of confusion and disinformation as possible, but I think it is for strategic reasons for when the real season starts.

Love the "Sweet" Ron nickname. Also, how much "tinside" does Loki have? Jones did look pretty good on Friday but that might have been against the B teamers...I can't remember. Some of the cuts Jamaal made on Friday were just incredible. LJ would have lost 3 yards given the same play. Of course, they wouldn't have designed that play for LJ but you get the picture. Who's cuter? Succop or Whitehurst? I think Succop could be the most attractive man in sports.

i agree, sesame. succup has really blossomed into a handsome man.

So we're all in agreement: Succop is handsome. I'd like to see one of you guys put your money where your mouth is and get a Succop jersey. The Centaur has already got his Grbac jersey, we know that much.

Sesame,

Tinside has a lot to do with failing to meet expectations. I'm not sure Lokey qualifies.

I like that call SeasCake, but boy it's gonna be hard to dethrone Whitehurst after all these years. If there is anyone who can do it tho, it's your boy Succop.

I was about to pull the trigger on a dante hall pro bowl jersey, I better take a break.

I would worry more about our preseason record if we were a playoff contender.Since we're not just do what we need to do to get ready for the regular season. There is absolutely no doubt we are a much better team this year.

I think Haley is saving Charles for the regular season and giving Jones the reps to get used to the playbook and o-line. At least I hope so. I don't want to think our young head coach missed the most obvious thing on this team-Charles is the best offensive weapon we've got. I think he starts when the regular season gets underway.

Play Studebaker! Give him the experience this year so we can make a legitimate run next year. Kendrick Lewis and Jeremy Horne too.

MoValley in the House!

most of that sack success could point to your boy crennel. but one of the student baker's sacks was really impressive. he obviously has the desire to be a great player. i'm pretty excited about him. i think that jersey, purchased in conjunction with a chef hat, would make a pretty nice gift for yourself.

it was a good day for our defense, but the eagles offense looked pretty weak.

I agree Centaur. I think you could see Crennel's signature all over our defense Friday night. The other thing I wonder is did the d-line play a lot better thus freeing up the linebackers to make those plays. Also, it appeared that our secondary had all the receivers covered and Kolb had no where to go. On 2 of those sacks it seemed like he had the time, just no one to throw to.

Another legitimate reason to question whether Thom Jones will continue to produce at the level he did last season is the simple fact that he no longer has a certain FB who wears #49 to lead block for him. See L.T.

DD:

Good point, that and a good offensive line suited to his running style.

Yeah I would imagine the dropoff from that line and T-Rich to this line and Mike Cox is pretty huge. I think its going to be an uphill battle for Jones this season. No more than four yards per carry. I like Jones, always have. But this is starting to look like less than a match made in heaven for a variety of reasons.

I still can't fucking believe we let T-Rich get away. Will never get over that.

"My Chiefs statue of liberty reads, “Give me your Studebakers, your Gilberrys, your Kendrick Lewis’ yearning to breathe free.”

hahaha

Dline- jury is still out, but I see up side
Linebackers- check...talent is there with Romeo schemes
Dbacks- check...Lewis, Flowers, and Berry are all legit...
Lewis hell of a play, Berry is meeting running
backs at the hole...he'll change run D alone

Oline- Double Impact- we have a running game but pass is ?
Running Game- check, Might be best in the NFL
Quarterback- Jury is still out, hope he can manage a game
and not throw interceptions, I think he'll
be good
Wide Receivers- Check...Bowe is back, Chambers is solid, &
running backs cumming out of backfield will
be huge
Special teams- Check...Arenas & McCluster=Huge

5-Checks, and 2-Jury is still out, and 1-Double Impact (you don't know which Jean Claude you'll get)

Time to put the women and children to bed and go lookin for fuckin dinner! Bring on the season!

Chiefs!!!!!!!!!!!!

I know you were joking about the zimma jolley rancher right?

Anyways I like Belcher the way he hits and how quick he is is un real. He has the attitude that oh how nice to see you I will take your head off now thanks. So why not pair up him and Demarr together and let Mays and DJ back up. One is good at filling in the run the other is good at the pass. Demarr also has a good attitude were he wants to get physical and he is faster than Mays.

First string linebackers should be Hali, DeMarr, Belcher, and the Studebaker.

Second string should be Walters, Mays, Johnson, and Vrabel. So I guess what I am saying is I agree.

I don't see how you can say that DJ should be coming off the bench. In my opinion, he is our second best linebacker we have behind Hali....and that is a very close second to me. After those two, I think there is a drop off in talent.

I, too like Demorrio Speedwagon. But I like DJ better. He has speed and talent, two things our front seven needs desperately. If it were up to me, Speedwagon and DJ would start on the inside. But Haley doesn't like that alignment, so it doesn't do me any good to keep wishing for it.

PS I can see you're more of a "skittles in zima" kinda guy. To each his own.

we were winning a couple of those games before the starters were pulled. So that's a good sign.

by the way, if you have'nt already watched the jamaal video on the mothership, it seemed to me that charles was'nt very high on cassel when asked about him.

While I agree that no matter how it is stated, Jamaal should be the featured back, period. There should be no questions about it. However, I can't remember where, but someone explaind it well. They said Jons should start the game pounding the rock, behind a fresh line. This gets the defense to slow down and settle into a pounding style. Then switch to Jamaal and while the defense knows it is coming, they will still out of habit try to respond with force instead of finesse and Jamaal will light them up. If you try to hammer him every time, you will probably miss and he will burn you for it. He is much more likely to get tackled by an ankle or shoelace grab, than by throwing all your weight into it. Guys like Ray Lewis might be able to take big power backs out with vicious hits. But they WON'T hit Jamaal head on, he will make them miss!! This explanation makes sense to me. And if you start with Charles, Jones will be completely worthless, because the defense will be playing fast, and he is not fast. He did run the ball well Friday, at least I thought he did.

If you watched the jets at all last year they did the oppositte of what you say and it worked well. Thomas Jones got most of the carries in the second half when the defense was a little worn down and he was very succesfull. Let them chase the faster charles for two quarters then put the bull dozer in.

Jason,

Yeah, I've heard that explanation. I think Paddy is a proponent. I don't know, I guess it makes sense in theory. But I haven't heard Haley or anyone else with the Chiefs say that.

None of us really know what the plan is until we see it in action. Haley says he'll "ride the hot hand." I'm not fully confident in his ability to gauge that. I mean, was LJ the "hot hand" when he was getting 2.7 yards per carry? What will it take for Thom Jones' hand to be considered hot? 3 yards up the middle?