How Much Sense Would Gerald McCoy Make For The Chiefs?

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As we’ve talked about all over this blog, the Lions new acquisitions along the defensive line seems to be designed to allow them to go another direction with their #2 overall selection. Though Kevin Ferguson of SideLion Report disagrees with me, I think this all but assures the Lions try to protect Matt Stafford by picking up OT Russell Okung. The truth is that the Lions need to protect their best QB prospect ever, and the tackles will go so fast and furious in Round 1 that all the elite pass protectors will be off the board.

We examined the consequences of the Lions going offensive tackle, rather than defensive tackle. And the key result seems to be that DT Gerald McCoy of Oklahoma will likely fall to the Kansas City Chiefs selection:

1. St. Louis Rams: QB Sam Bradford, Oklahoma
2. Detroit Lions: OT Russell Okung, Oklahoma State
3. Tampa Bay Buccaneers: DT Ndamukong Suh, Nebraska
4. Washington Redskins: QB Jimmy Clausen, Notre Dame

As the Lions go with Okung, this is most definitely going to be the fallout from that selection. And the Chiefs at this point are going to have a choice between the favorite of the Chiefs blogosphere, S Eric Berry of Tennessee, and McCoy.

Now we Chiefs fans are emotional creatures, and we have largely wedded ourselves so tightly to Eric Berry at this point that following our chances of picking him up has been a roller coaster. First, he was the frontrunner, then everybody started talking about Okung, then we started scratching our heads about McClain because of the Saban connection, but McClain has looked terrible in offseason workouts, so then it’s back to Okung who looked great, but the Lions seem set to take him now, leaving Berry as the frontrunner again.

At this point it would border on a personal affront to the Gods of Football should Pioli pass on Berry, for all we’ve been through in a single offseason.

But I assure you, Pioli’s obsession with defensive line does not share the emotional loyalty of a Chiefs fan.

More after the jump.

We know several important truths to keep in mind as McCoy gradually seems more and more likely to fall to Kansas City:

1. Scott Pioli does not want to go safety with the #5 overall. This was an argument that Peter King recently made, but considering his drafting history it’s pretty much a dead-on statement. Pioli is a positional value guy — and while Berry is one of the most phenomenal talents at safety that we’ve ever seen, safety isn’t as valued in the Parcells Tree as corner, defensive line, and passrushers.

2. Pioli rebuilds franchises by going DL first and foremost, and it’s not clear that he’s done with our defensive ends just yet. And it’s not clear that he’s happy at all with Alex Magee’s progress. And it’s not clear Dorsey’s his guy anymore. Loading up the defensive line with McCoy in the first round and (if he lasts) Terrance Cody in the second round would give this defense a Jackson-Cody-McCoy defensive line with a potential for talent and longevity that rivals what Warren-Wilfork-Seymour were able to do in New England.

3. Glenn Dorsey is on the trading block. We don’t know this for certain, but Dorsey’s strengths are not in the 3-4, they are in the 4-3. Dorsey is a one-gap penetrator who has somehow still developed the ability to be a brick wall against the run. Despite the fact that he is not made for this defense, he has managed to turn lemons into lemonade and became a crucial part of the unit by the end of the season. But Dorsey remains an awkard fit for the defense.

4. This team has holes everywhere. The best thing for this team this year might be a 2008-like stockpiling of Draft picks, and no player on the Chiefs trading block (with maybe the exception of Dwayne Bowe) would command better compensation than Glenn Dorsey. This is an incredibly strong Draft year paired with an incredibly weak free agency, so trying to pick up tons of selections is not a bad strategy.

5. Gerald McCoy can be a really good fit in the 3-4. Unlike Dorsey, McCoy is a great fit for the 3-4 defense. The above YouTube was McCoy (#93) playing against a good Florida offensive line, primarily from the end position. And he absolutely destroyed them, with deceptive athleticism and a toughness both against the run and the pass that will be extremely difficult to handle. Combined with his prototypical size/speed combo, this translates very well to the 3-4 end position. And Pioli would love spending his #5 overall on this position rather than going to a “lesser” position like safety.

6. The safety class is pretty deep this year. There is some outstanding talent available in the 2nd round this year. Jeremy listed off some of them, and I comprehensively reviewed the entire position back in February. We may not end up with Eric Berry, but Nate Allen, Chad Jones, or Morgan Burnett could be good value picks in the second round.

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Hey Mike Shaw just to let you know I read a piece where the Ram's new owner forbade the taking of a DT at #1, so most likely they go QB. Just for you Berry fans look how a #1 corner dictated the other teams offense, speaking of the Jet's and Revis. Haden is that type of corner and they don't grow on trees.

man if we can pick up McCoy,And Cody that would be an awesome front as a start,i love offense but defense is where its at these days.But,we also need some serious help on the offensive line and at wide out,we may need to think about trying to get one of those really good guards that will be available in the early goings of the draft.

Also, I would like to state RIGHT now that I don't believe it is a sure thing that Bradford goes #1 and Clausen #4. I can actually see the Rams going for Suh or Okung. They don't have Orlando Pace any more and as we have seen ourselves, if you don't have a stud OL it doesn't matter if Joe Montana, Drew Brees, Tom Brady or Lynn Dawson are at QB, they are not very effective throwing from the ground as they go down. I am also not sure that the Rams are at all happy with their DL play. The temptation to take Suh has to be just at high as the thought of taking Bradford or Okung.

The Lions will either take DL or OL. So if Okung is available, they take him. If Suh or McCoy are available, they take one of them. You know Old Gun is chomping at the bit to get Suh and would likely be greatful for McCoy!

As for the Bucs, I am not sure they can pass up on either Suh, Okung or McCoy, OR Clausen/Bradford. I know they have a QB who has shown some promise, but they could also go QB or, to replace a declining Rhonde, they could go with ERIC BERRY. I know that one smarts for those of you that are in love with this kid and his skills (I am not saying I'm not, but I am trying to be realistic here as I don't believe Pioli will take him IF he is available.), but if ANY team in the top 5 takes this kid, it would likely be the team that has been used to having a semi-stud in Rhonde Barber for so many years. Grant it, Rhonde is no Troy P or Ed Reed, but that is all the more reason for them to take a better Safety than what they have.

Washingon......with horse face at the helm as head coach. Yes the pretty pick for them here is a QB, either Bradford or Clausen, whichever is left or higher on THIER draft board. Knowing the kind of WR he had in Denver, I could TOTALLY see Shanahack taking Dez Bryant. Yes, you heard it here, they take a star WR instead of a potential star at QB. Why? Because when Shanahack got done looking at the film of the current starting QB on the team, I am almost positive he saw flashes of greatness. Give the kid a guy like Dez Bryant, the addition of LJ (Bastard please stop trying to play a game that has passed you on!!!) and the fact they haven't made ANY moves on any of the quality WR in free agency or RFA for that matter make this an intriguing pick for Washington. Of course they could pick up Okung (if available) or the next best OL available, because they need the help, like every other team in the league, at OL.

So what does that leave us. QB's. Hell no! We have a star waiting to explode onto the scene based on what I saw last year. DL, possible depending on what happens above us. OL, not likely since the best 1 or 2 could be gone by our pick. SS, like everyone else on this site, I just don't see Pioli picking one this high when there are sooo many talented SS in this draft class. WR, could we take the chance on a Dez Bryant, if available, or pick up Golden Tate because of his connection to Weis? Seems like a longshot to me, but anything is possible. I say the two best options at this pick are either, Suh, McCoy, Berry, McClain, Taylor Mays, Dan Williams or Sean Weatherspoon. I know that last three are a shocker this high, but they ALL give us what we need in positions we are hurting.

So should I expect the guys with the funny white jackets to show up on my doorstep after posting these ideas of mine???!!!!

I am going to have to agree about trading DBowe or Dorsey. I don't care what scheme the pundits SAY Glenn is made for! The simple fact that he was the one constant run stopper on our D-Line tells me that Glenn is putting all of his effort into becoming a FOOTBALL PLAYER. He is trying his best to get better and with an improved NT and better play from Jackson and our team gets better against the run. If you REALLY go back and look, most of the long runs against our D were in between the two ends, because we didn't have a good enough LB corps or NT to stop them. If they fix those positions, we might be good. I am wondering if the team should pick up another FA LB. I know most of them are old, but they would provide improved play for that part of the D this year and allow us to pick up a stud LB in next year's draft.

ERIC BERRY. Is likely NOT going to the Chiefs at #5. I know the kid appears to be a stud on the field, but do we REALLY want a defense that falters like the Steeler's do when Troy P is not in the game. If you look at the 2009 SB you saw a hell of a defense because of one player, TP. If you disagree with that, then I suggest you look at their Defensive stats AFTER TP was injured. Hell they let the Chiefs, Browns AND the Faiders beat them. I don't want a defense that is dependent on 1 or 2 stars. I want a defense that is a mirror image of the Patriots before they started getting old. I want a defense that no matter who you plug into a position due to an injury, the team still plays LIKE A TEAM!!

I'm pretty tired of all the Dorsey and Bowe trade rumors. Pioli and Haley have both said how they are impressed with Dorsey's progression and he is a building block on this team. Haley says he likes Bowe and that Bowe realizes he needs to improve and is working on doing just that. You don't trade off your young talent, good character guys. If Bowe is taking this seriously (which i think he is) he will be much better next year. Dorsey will also be better next year, and I think the critics will be silenced.

i like some of the ideas here, but i dont like the idea of trading dorsey. he is a great run stopper. we give him up and our run defense could get worse, and it sucks already. i would think now with signing lilja pioli wants to stay with albert at LT. sure he can move him to RT but that is not as important as a wide reciever. now i love berry. i have watched him play and he flat out flies around the field. but they say he is injury prone. i dont want that type a guy no matter how good he is. i would rather have an above-average guy who plays 16 games a year than a stud who play 13. if you wanna win a super bowl then you dont have that margin of error available. But if the injuries are behind him and he can really be the next ed reed then lets get him. all signs sho pioli going defense in the draft. he is focusing on offense in FA and defense in draft. i will say this, be ready for them chiefs this next year cuz with the cahrgers taking a step back and the broncos still trying to figure out there quarterback, the chiefs could sneak out this division if there veterans produce.

I've been wondering about this scenario, and my thoughts were it might give us more leverage in trading down, which would be a win win situation. I think you are flat out crazy if you believe Bowe has more trade value than Dorsey. Remember Suh and McCoy are getting all the hype, JUST LIKE Dorsey as best player in the draft. Bottom line for me is if we don't trade out we draft the BEST football player available regardless of position.

Be more specific about the picks we would trade for. Dorsey is an effective D-Lineman primed for his breakout year. McCoy could be Ryan Simms. Probably not, but maybe. I'd say that bet is worth two first round draft picks or similar value. Unlikely anyone trading would agree and we have other holes to fill. Unless Al Davis really want Dorsey, leave him alone.

I find it hard to believe safety is not worth a number 5 pick if were talking about a player that is like troy p or ed reed. All I have heard from any NFL level is he is definately the next super stud safety. If he is that caliber of a player which nothing is pointing against that grain, then why in the hell wouldn't he be worth a number 5 pick. I don't want to see GD going anywhere and would much rather see EB drafted at #5. He would most definately transform our D at all levels unlike McCoy. Granted Mccoy is the better suited DE on a 3-4 D, but we need to give GD some time gentlemen. He will shine!

As much as I like Berry, I think the pick is either Bulaga or a trade down. I think whatever Pioli ends up doing will ultimately be a pretty good move.

we have to trade down and get more picks. I have liked Berry since the middle of the college season but there are 5 safetys that can start for us in this draft. If we can obtain another second or third we can start getting help on the offensive line, linebacker, wr and a pass rusher. I am torn on Dorsey I think he can be pretty stout against the run and maybe develop into a better pass rusher. I really do not want to start over there

i think McCoy would improve the team, no doubt.

Dorsey is OBVIOUSLY better in a 4-3.

He is just too short to play any d line position in a 3-4, no matter how the Chiefs run it.

I think Dorsey will be very good in the league... but will his value you be any better than now in this system???

Trading him and drafting McCoy would not at all be a bad move, our D-line would instantly be more effective.

I do agree a player like Berry would be amazing for years... but we all KNOW THIS WILL NOT HAPPEN with Pioli at the helm.

Trade Dorsey for value, his contract is too big, draft McCoy.

Safety is another question in itself... it needs to be answered, but not at #5.

"Trading him and drafting McCoy would not at all be a bad move, our D-line would instantly be more effective."

All I hear about in terms of drafting DL is that they take 3 years to develop. Even the great ones. Dorsey is entering year 3 and we want to start over??

No thanks.

This may be the most depressing post I've read in awhile. If you've read my other posts I am a big Berry supporter, but you've made some great points here Andrew. I hope you are wrong, but I could see many situations where you are right. But if us not getting Berry meant us getting McCoy, I wouldn't be that upset about it.

Andrew, i'm curious, who do you think we will pick if Detroit does take Suh? I've read a couple of places that their activity this offseason will not change their draft plans so they still may go with him. Also, what if the DTs and Okung are gone? I've seen this scenario in several mock drafts. Do you think we'd go with Berry then, or reach for someone else?

If Detroit takes Suh, the board lays out like this:

1. Rams -- Bradford
2. Lions -- Suh
3. Bucs -- McCoy
4. Redskins -- Clausen

At that point our choice will be between Berry and Okung. And I simply don't trust Pioli to *ever* take safety in the first round if he thinks there's a good lineman (offense or defense) on the board. I'd put the odds on Okung at 95%.

Our best chance for Berry is to get Suh and Okung OFF the board before our pick. I still think it's a long shot, man. But it's a shot.

Idk Andrew,Pioli is a defensive minded guy like "The Tuna"i see them going at McCoy because I believe someone will grab Okung early, but draft day is crazy and you never know what kind of deals are going to go down lol. Whatever the case I'm hoping for some good strong talent to come our way this year.

P.S.

The odds that both DTs and Okung are off the board is next to nothing. It would require either the Rams or the Redskins to pass on the two QBs, which is a near impossibility.

First of all, Schefter's said Bradford goes to the Rams. So that's that.

Second of all, Clausen is the very embodiment of what Mike Shanahan wants in a QB. There's zero chance the 'Skins pass on Clausen.

I can see Pioli taking Bery at number five becuase he has done nothing to help the position this offseason. He knows that he is going to spend alot of money on a safety at either number five, or in the second round. Hence see my article that I posted today.

Start driving and be prepared to be pissed because I absolutely CANNOT see Pioli picking a safety at 5. Maybe, just maybe Pioli can trade down to around 10 and Berry is still there but even then - I really doubt they take him.

*Just for clarification - I'd LOVE to have Berry on this team.

I agree ,If berry is there and we don't take him, I'll drive to K.C myself and have a few choice words for the peeps at one arrowhead dr.

I hope they trade out of the pick. It is a deep draft.

Ill be PISSED if they dont take Berry #5.

thats all i have to say about that.

Maybe you could live without Eric Berry if this happened:

If Gerald McCoy drops to #5, I think the Chiefs could trade down with Seattle for their second pick in the first round (#14) and their second round pick (#40).

Draft value chart says Chiefs #5 is worth 1700 points, Seattle’s #14 is worth 1100 and #40 is worth 500.

Seattle would then draft Gerald McCoy and Jimmy Clausen (or 2nd best LT on their board – Bulaga?) back-to-back at #5 and #6 and the Chiefs draft the highest ranked player left on their draft board of these five at #14 – Dan Williams NT (my favorite of these – might go to Broncos at #11), Joe Haden CB, Rolando McClain ILB (might go to Broncos at #11), Earl Thomas S or Sean Weatherspoon OLB (notice ALL defense)

Pioli then has THREE second round picks (#4, #8 and #18 in second - just like Bill Belichick does it!) to fill in the other holes depending on the result of #14. Terrence Cody, Brandon Spikes, Maurkice Pouncey, Golden Tate, Jerry Hughes, Kyle Wilson, Nate Allen, Cam Thomas – Pick THREE.

I think I could even live with the loss of Eric Berry in this scenario.

Common all-Jeez. We need OL-Berry? everyone says his is the next coming. What if he is not? Lots of DB's in this draft. We have to START from the basics. This team was gutted. We are paying a QB that we don't know if he is the QB of our future. Let's find out about that first. I am done with the mocks and the BS Pioli is paid for his judgement-let him pass or fail. Chiefs fans are fed up- SHOW ME CHIEFS- Let them roll I think they got the drift.