Here’s another reason not to go left tackle with the fifth overall.
The NFL Draft value chart. A slightly outdated but still useful barometer by which the value of every single pick in the Draft is measured. And here’s where you see a really telling statistic about the 5th overall pick.
It is worth 1700 points. Or, for the mathematically impaired, it is worth more by itself than the entire Drafts of 16 other teams!
The 5th overall pick in the NFL is worth more by itself than what half the teams in the league can do with their standard seven selections.
Why, oh why, would you use such insane value to Draft an offensive lineman, the likes of which you can find in any Draft? Why wouldn’t you use it for a Reggie Bush clone? Why wouldn’t you use it to pick up an Aaron Rodgers type situation with Jimmy Clausen? Why wouldn’t you use it on a lunchpail safety that takes away huge parts of the field? Why wouldn’t you pick up a shutdown corner? Or a linebacker who can lead your defense, for that matter?
Yeah, an LT could theoretically upgrade two positions, but to what extent?
We’ve got front row tickets to Skynyrd, people! Why waste that by using those tickets to upgrade Creed to Nickelback?
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hot damn! a graph to lead the unenlightened to the chosen one. clausen will never get close to (a. rogers) who is at the top of my wish list at qb. he is amazing. if there was a dominant lt like roaf i would be on the lets pick a lt bandwagon. the two dominant lineman are on defense in this draft and we already blew 2 picks on defensive linemem. speedy playmakers on both sides of the ball—yeah baby.
Why is there no talk of Joe Haden? Addicts didn’t want to take Curry last year because it was “stupid” to take a linebacker that wasnt in the D.T. elite pass rusher role but McClain is the no brainer this year? Where is the logic in that argument?
It seems to me if Eric Berry is off the board then a shutdown corner would be a great plan B.
hey spillman i have been touting haden for weeks, and advocating carr to safety. hells bells i even would let carr play nickel but think safety fits him. the chiefs drafte jerome woods who started his career at corner, moved to safety and played very well for the chiefs. i think carr has a natural safety mentality and the skill to be an every down starter there.
Just this year I watched a corner take down the mighty Peyton and secure a Super Bowl. Hadan and Flowers would be something special. Many have us taking McClain then Pouncey, while that is ok, I want Hadan then Spikes. Laurenatius (sp) went in the top of the second last year, didn’t he outperform Curry?
dubldug my apologies. Berry or Haden with our first unless a trade down becomes available. Then I would be very happy to see McClain or the best offensive tackle available.
I would also be stoked to see Jordan Shipley wearing a Chiefs uniform next year, especially if he was availble with our 2b from the Falcons.
no need to apologize, we are just enjoying the debate, and to be honest trying to figure out how to keep the chiefs from re-enacting the folly of previous drafts. if we somehow pull a trade and can draft a linebacker, i want sapp. he might be our next derrick thomas. there is a topic, if we trade down, who will the chiefs want? maybe sapp at olb, or williams at dt, or possibly tate at wr. but there is no need to trade with haden,berry or dez on the big board at five.
My first choice is trading down, but I think that goes for nearly anyone (assuming fair compensation…and this graph is really helpful to help determine that). If Haden is the stud everyone projects him to be, having a Haden/Flowers combo with Carr as S (assuming he can play there…would that be FS or SS by the way?), could make for a stalwart combo, while addressing the S need. Woods and Carr at FS/SS? If it works, it works. Then we can take an ILB in the 2nd and C Thomas in the 4th as our NT. Here is what this could look like:
1. Haden
2a. Spikes/Washington – whichever looks best
2b. Norwood – OLB
3. Shipley – WR for slot
4. C Thomas – NT
5a. Walton – C
5b. Best OG available
5c. RB from Auburn
in this pass happy league the nfl is you can throw out the strong in safety, they just need to be fast with the ability to tackle. seeing the old and slow from the chiefs last year miss tackles, nomenclature does not have meaning. i like your mock chad wiyh the exception of spikes who i think is gonna be a bust.
I have watched most of Florida’s games and can’t imagine why anyone would think Spikes will be a bust. Spikes doesn’t seem to get “lost” as much as McClain and I think he is a little meaner.
Hope we aren’t gonna talk about the eye poke! For anyone who has played the game, they understand that things happen. He has been a model student/athlete/leader for four years.
The argument for going LT is the simple fact that with one draft pick you can improve three slots on the offensive line. Draft Okung and suddenly the left side looks like Okung, Albert at guard, and Waters at center. That is the positional value, that in one pick suddenly we’ve gone from a bottom tier offensive line to arguably the best left side in football (assuming Okung or whichever LT Pioli grades out the highest pans out).
So yes, if a left tackle were taken that would be worth more than 16 teams entire draft assuming the line shifts as I explained. Is it the right thing to do? Well, that’s a question for another day. I do however understand the logic behind LT at 5.
I don’t disagree with the positives that a LT pick could make on our team. I feel the Chiefs have to go defense first. 31st in the league will never win a Super Bowl. My Way-
We trade down to #7 and get a #38 from Cleveland,we also give up our 4th in 2011.
top 7 picks
1-Rams-Suh
2-Lions-McCoy
3-Bucs-Berry
4-Skins-Okung
5-Browns-Claussen
6-Hawks-Bradford
7-Chiefs-Hadan
We draft:
R1 #7 CB Joe Hadan-Florida
R2 #36 NT Terrence Cody-Alabama
R2 #38 LB Brandon Spikes-Florida
R2 #51 G Mike Johnson-Alabama
R3 #68 C J.D. Walton-Baylor
R4 #99 LB George Selvie-USF
R5 #132 WR Eric Decker-Minnesota
R5 #138 LB Micah Johnson-Kentucky
R5 #144 C/G Eric Olsen-Notre Dame
FA’s RB Roy Upchurch-Alabama, FS Jordan Lake-Baylor, SS Justin Woodall-Alabama, RB Brandon James-Florida,
hey 102 i read a report that spikes is not an agile player and as such is a poor prospect in an early round, hence the bust comment. could it be the scout is from the school whose eye was poked? i would not be giving future picks away when they come looking to trade up either. your mock addresses many of our problem areas but trading down is going to be hard if the skins or rams take a qb.
A lot of experts think that the four most important positions are LT, DE, QB, and CB. That is why you might take a LT at #5, or say take a Mario Williams over crappy Reggie Bush, who seems to keep people interested by having a spectacular game every ten games and doing almost nothing for those ten in between. I like Haden and would not be disappointed with him as the pick. I also would not be disappointed with a LT. It is not a fun pick, but a smart one. Every one always says teams are built from the lines out.
Also, don’t be surprised if Pioli takes a player that we have not even been talking about (similar to Jackson last year).
This is related to #14. I wouldn’t be surprised if Pioli went totally out of the blue with a WR. Now, now, before everyone goes apes$#t on me, let me explain. With Cassel being under such scrutiny and potentially making Pioli look like an idiot for signing him so big, I would not put it past the guy to do everything in his power to make Cassel look good. He might think the o-line did good enough after Charles changed the whole organization in 2009, so get a playmaker at WR to help out Cassel (and therefore make Pioli look smarter). Now keep in mind this isn’t what I think would be the smart pick, nor am I saying this is high probability for Pioli to do, but rather it wouldn’t floor me if he did something crazy and unexpected like this.
Darrius Heyward Bey is why Pioli wouldn’t dare take a WR. That is similar thinking as post #15, but I am happy to believe that Pioli doesn’t think that way. That is a Carl line of thinking, you know 9-7 every year was Carl’s goal and it worked for HIM because he had a job for 20years.