Is There A Spot For Brodie Croyle?
The good doctor’s recent Chase Patton article left me pondering the following question: Should Brodie Croyle have a spot on our roster? Wouldn’t he be better off competing for a roster spot on another team, than fighting it out for our team’s third spot?
Brodie Croyle was Herm’s guy. His other biggest supporter Dick Curl is long gone. Haley and Pioli have been completely silent regarding him. At 6’2 and just over a svelte 206 pounds he is injury prone. He is still rehabbing his knee injury. His upcoming 2009 contract calls for $530,000 (league minimum is just over $285,000). His career completion rating is 57.7%. His career TD to Interception ratio is 6:8. His average yards per pass completion is 5.4. His winning record is absolutely abysmal. I don’t believe that Croyle is a bad QB. He showed promise when he could play. In fact if the Chiefs had a better offensive line, I am sure his abovementioned stats would have been better. But we didn’t and they are not.
The entire franchise has changed its administration, personnel, and coaching. New players have come in and old players have left. Shouldn’t Brodie Croyle? Although he might be a good third QB, would our team chemistry be better suited by purging the former starter? A new start for him and the Chiefs may be just what the doctor ordered.
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You would be hard pressed to find a better third string quarterback for less money. I could see Croyle being that quarterback that holds a clip-board for several years, and then becomes a pretty decent starter after being put in by necessity. I see zero benefit to cutting him, unless he flat gets beat out(by Drew Tate of course – go Hawkeyes!). From the third string it is a very low risk, high reward situation.
May 13th, 2009 at 7:56 pmI believe there is a spot for Brodie Croyle, just not here. Maybe the Lions need a back up for the back up in Detroit. I feel we (the team) have moved on in so many ways. It would have been better if we could have traded him for maybe another 7th round pick or another kicker of some kind or maybe practice squad center.
I just don’t like leading guys on as if they might have a spot on the team when the management is going to cut him anyway. I can’t see them keeping him. But here we are post draft/pre camp wondering if our “never was” starter QB is officially now a “has been”.
May 13th, 2009 at 7:57 pmActually I never saw the logic of picking Croyle. His performance in college wasn’t inspiring, and so to his pro career to date. I see no benefit in keeping him other than adding money to meet the league team minimum salary. Brian Greise was just released from the Bucs, he ain’t great but I’ld rather have him. His records are better and he could be a great 3rd and QB mentor.
May 13th, 2009 at 8:05 pmIt’s tough to judge the kid, considering the o-line he played behind. But I feel like he got hurt pretty much on the choices he made, and his own lack of beef. It’s a tough call, since I do like the kid, but seems to me that the better man, Thigpen, survived in a tough spot, playing a very physical style.
In a limited contact environment, I still think that Croyle likely wins the competition, but there are 16 actual games to play, with no (OK, fewer) restrictions on contact, and I don’t think Croyle has it. Even behind a GREAT o-line, the QB’s going to get into tough situations. No line is going to keep this kid healthy for an entire season.
May 13th, 2009 at 8:27 pmI was a huge Brodie backer and while I’m convinced now hes not or was our top QB option (THIGGA!!) I do think he is a potential Trent Green/Jake Delhomme/Matt Hasslebeck type who eventually works his way into a starting spot on another team. He is, after all, Alabama’s all-time passing leader over names like Namath and Stabler. Croyle and Thigpen will battle for the no. 2 behind Cassel, and with all 3 having starting experience in the NFL, it would be hard-pressed to find more depth at QB on another team, especially with all 3-5 years experience. KC wouldn’t find a better 3 than Croyle OR Thigpen, so he needs to be kept. Picking up Patton for 4th/scout team would be wise.
May 13th, 2009 at 10:20 pmBreaking News! My old seats last year were $59.00 per seat. They went up to $79.00, so I moved back seven rows and they went down to $39.00. After several “upgrade” opportunities, I finally moved within four rows of my old seats. I got a call this morning that my old seats were now slashed from the new price of $79.00 to the new price of $39.00 per seat. Sounds like Arrowhead is having a difficult time selling season tickets!
May 14th, 2009 at 8:19 amI just can’t help but wonder how Culpepper, McNabb, Romo, Brady, Manning & Manning and Rothlisberger would have played behind the Chiefs All-Pro O-line of last year. With the stable of all star receivers that wore our Red & Gold could the sky have been the limit? In getting rid of Herm’s guys does that mean D-Bowe is out the door along with the Brandon’s in the secondary? I so look forward to the big McIntosh blowing holes in the D-lines that I’m finding it hard to wait. How are we paying the Mc man? Must be top 5 money. Who’s better? Center, guard, tackle, no problem. Third and long and Larry’s in the secondary before he gets touched or has to make a move. Right? Does anyone remember Steve Fuller? Yeah, cripple Croyle made some bad decisions…like not watching the ball roll around on the ground like Jeff George. With all the time he had to get back in his drops and go thru his reads to find a wide open, the name escapes me at the moment. Let’s go to the tape… I’ve got it…D-Bowe for Orlando Pace. Herm’s guy is gone. Woo Hoo!
May 14th, 2009 at 12:01 pmRandy: I think the problem with season tix pre-dates the current regime. Sounds like they’e trying to fix that, which is cool.
Slodawg: It looked to me like, even taking into account the problems with the line, etc., that Croyle got himself hurt where Thiggy, in the same circumstances, played even MORE aggressively AND lived to tell the tale. Croyle just doesn’t look NFL-tough to me.
May 14th, 2009 at 6:25 pmBrodie Croyle will be the new Damon Huard. Good thing they were paired for so long.
May 14th, 2009 at 7:48 pmDoesn’t hurt to have him around right now. I’m betting he won’t be here next year though.
May 15th, 2009 at 5:54 amI bet you are right about the seats hmills110
May 15th, 2009 at 8:13 amHe lost his shot and got hurt again, time to move on. Drew Bree’s is a small QB and doesn’t get hurt constantly. I’d just prefer developing a bigger qb that can win some games. I’d prefer all backups to have more upside than what Brodie brings.
May 15th, 2009 at 11:33 pmBrodie is a good QB. He’s just too fragile to withstand NFL hits.
@sgt_ducttape:
Croyle actually was very good in college. He was Alabama’s best QB in their history until last year when John Parker Wilson surpassed his numbers.
Be that as it may…
@mizzou60:
Posting better numbers than Namath and Stabler at Bama isn’t saying much. They were field generals for a traditionally run-centric offense at a time when the forward pass wasn’t the first option for any team.
The bottom line is, Croyle is injury prone and always has been — even in college. That will probably always hold him back at this level.
May 16th, 2009 at 12:31 pmas you yourself have pointed, out he didnt have a o-line, for that matter our top two heir appaerants one of which had a very good oline in NE, and the other who didnt have the line and played here, both of which had compirable numbers, and for the most part the consences is that we start a guy who had no better record and had a much better oline in front of him as well as a better running back and way far better recievers.
as trade bait I dont think he will, draw much…to just out right cut him doesnt make sence as what happens when our top two go down…I dont really wish to see a running back as our QB.
May 17th, 2009 at 1:20 pmThis is off topic but… anybody else think the Raiders might be a legitimate threat this year?
May 17th, 2009 at 3:02 pmyes, I anticiapte the Raiders breaking the records set by the Lions last year.
bck to topic, I’d rather have Quinn Gray on the roster than Brodie.
May 17th, 2009 at 6:25 pmWell you can mock the idea all you want, but they’ve had a pretty decent defense for a couple years now and their running game should be straight up scary.
Darren McFadden, Michael Bush, and Justin Fargas running behind Lorenzo Neal. If you’re not a little bit concerned you just aren’t paying enough attention.
May 17th, 2009 at 11:29 pmBBQ, sounds like JaMarcus is playing up to his usual standard, so shouldn’t be too hard to play the Raiders like everyone played the Chiefs a couple seasons ago — load up on the run and dare ‘em to throw (Herm never figured this out, and didn’t try to throw even in the playoffs).
Since JaMarcus is a ‘learn by doing’ guy and the only way to get him to work consistently is by scheduling regular season games, this should work until at least week ten.
May 18th, 2009 at 6:59 amI wouldn’t be as worried about Russell as I would Jeff Garcia. The Faiders have a better OL, they’re D isn’t terrible, and their run game is SOLID. They lack a pass game tho, even with Garcia they can dump it to Neil and McFadden only so much. Heyward-Bey was an awful pick, had it been Crabtree or even Maclin I would be a LOT more worried. Bey is a speed freak, that’s it. Unless they put crazy glue on his hands we don’t have much to be afraid of.
Oakland has talent, and all kinds of potential. And its all wasted by Al Davis. Maybe Tom Cable can do something for them. But Davis won’t give him the chance to succeed(or anyone for that matter). As long as he’s running the show, I doubt the Raiders will be, or do, much of anything this year or next.
They’ll win some games sure. And they’ve usually been competitive in most of their conference games, all of our conference games usually are, but they can’t win or grow as a team with Al coaching. As long as he keeps yanking coaches and pulling his regular stunts, the Raiders ARE the Lions. Their record over the last 6 years speaks for itself.
May 18th, 2009 at 4:08 pmredbeard: The NE o-line wasn’t very impressive last year. To my eye, it was a big part of why they eventually fizzled at the end of their 16-0 season, and why Brady went down at the beginning of the following season.
They improved slightly over the season, but still had serious issues at RT. Cassel’s situation wasn’t THAT much different from Thigpen’s, except for having more help from the perimeter players.
Quazz: It’s ironic that we say on the one hand that Al Davis keeps screwing up on the one hand, and then on the other talk about how “loaded with talent” the Faders are. Garcia will look a lot better making lemonade out of lemons, but he won’t have that good of a deep ball. Either way, I expect the Faders to struggle.
May 19th, 2009 at 5:32 amHa no kidding. Garcia’s a great pick up. How long do you think it’ll take before he gets the nod to start? 2 weeks? 3? Having a load of talent does not mean your team will be great. It should, but it doesn’t. Look at Dallas last year, or Washington EVERY year.
Talented players is crucial for any team, but Davis (who has THE SAY on EVERY decision) squanders it. Instead of giving these young guys a chance to really grow and thrive in a system, he dumps it and goes for the next best thing. That whole “I want it NOW!” attitude. Look where that’s gotten our economy…no wonder Russell is having problems. With decent coaching, even guys like Huff may have been productive. Who knows?
Firing every coach each year is a sure-fire way of being the BADest in the league. We all know how they like their image. They’ve done a good job at keeping it up.
May 19th, 2009 at 3:27 pmI think the bottom line is that the team isn’t as good as we think. The talent is NOT brought in and coached-up. Blow a bundle on skill players (so-called).
Like Dallas – if they’re so good, how come Romo was runnin’ for his life most of the time?
May 19th, 2009 at 6:48 pmNO there is no spot for Brody Croyle he sucks
May 19th, 2009 at 9:29 pmNo there is no spot for Brody Croyle
May 26th, 2009 at 10:35 amhe cannot stay away from the injuries, He cannot read zone coverage, And he cannot stay in the right spot to avoid the sack.
Let’s just face it Thigpen is way better than he will ever be, Cassel is better than Thigpen and if Huard was stil on the team HE IS ALSO BETTER THAN CROYLE.. I thought they would trade him away or just release him?? maybe they have something else in mind..? lets wait and see
I really don’t feel like a lot of you are being very fair to Brodie. We didn’t see him play much (due to injuries) and when we did see him play he wasn’t surrounded by much talent.
What I DID see was that he was 9/10 in the last game he played, before suffering a season-ending inury. I still feel that he has a great deal of potential.. he has all the talent an NFL quarterback needs, as well as the leadership qualities. I don’t know whether or not bulking up in the weight room would solve his problems, but I wouldn’t be surprised to see him play successfully for another team if he could stay healthy one way or another.
May 26th, 2009 at 3:04 pmI say good by Brodi and please don’t let the door hit you,,, you don’t need any more injuries
June 2nd, 2009 at 7:56 am