Wake Up, Chiefs Nation: Larry Johnson Is Done In K.C.

For now, though, Johnson is getting Haley’s attention.

“He made some runs in the last practice I thought were pretty special,” Haley said. “I was very encouraged by a couple of those. Those flashed at me and the coaches to where you say, ‘That was pretty good.’ If Larry continues to work and stay on point and do the things asked of him, he’ll definitely have a chance to help us.”

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where is that apology?

On the personal attacks front, I can see how Adam might've left himself open by comparing himself to nationally syndicated writers and pundits. But I don't think he was trying to pull a "false authority" move on us by name-dropping. He was merely citing other writers who had chimed in on this subject. Gives the rest of us some names to look up if we should *gasp* care to research the topic.

Personal attacks, or "flaming" by anyone at any time take away from the discussion. Get over yourselves, people, and quick grabbing at (those kinds of) straws (I grab at a few, myself, but usually in the theory department.).

Witless gets a lot of things wrong, in my book. But sometimes he's the only guy saying the things I'm thinking, and his skin-color (I'm sorry to say) lets him be frank in ways that this white man (me) can not. I rarely get the impression that his opinions are based on popularity contest polls, although he HAS been able to play the race card effectively, to his benefit.

Blah blah blah.

All of this RB talk is moot if the Chiefs can't block. I think that even if the changes made only improve the blocking incrementally, we have a pair of QBs who can be successful.

There's PLENTY of RB talent out there good enough to succeed in a smart system, with ENOUGH of the pieces of the puzzle in place around them. RB/LB talent isn't not the issue.

We should be watching for what transpires at the wideout position. I think Pioli's building a solid TEAM concept in the trenches, and we'll be BETTER than last year, without question. But will we have guys who can win key one-on-one matchups in space? Will we be able to single cover outside much? Little? Not at all? Will we have at least 1 guy who can get open 1-on-1? 2 guys?

These are the HUGE questions, and the Chiefs are sitting on a HUGE pilie of money, and they can be aggressive.

LJ's biggest value might turn out to be a mid-season trade. I don't think Pioli's done going after 2010 picks, and I can easily see Lendale White getting hurt and the Titans, with the Lombardi Trophy in their eyes, giving up a lot for the erstwhile untradeable Larry Johnson. In the meantime, having him in the backfield behind a right side consisting of Colin Brown, Damien McIntosh and a blocking TE is an intriguing idea.

The lawyer's answer is "It depends."

I see a bit of Corey Dillon in Larry Johnson. If the power running, especially to the strong side, is a big enough threat, relative weaknesses in other areas become less important. A lot depends on how/if the O-Line shapes up.

All things being equal, LJ isn't versatile enough for my tastes. But I can easily see him being a monster against certain defenses.

Watching Edge in the SB, I see a good RB. Maybe not the terror he once was, but his struggles in Arizona were more o-line related to my eye. And I can understand his being frustrated. Arizona really struggled to find balance in their offense, and wasn't always very quick to adjust to what defenses were giving up. Took them almost the entire first half of the SB to get the ball to the wide-open RB in the flat.

That's my biggest worry with Haley at the helm - the AZ offense was slow to make adjustments, and take what was given. I worry that Haley's success is based on the extraordinary talents of Larry Fitzgerald, much the way that Gunther Cunningham made his name on the back of Leslie O'Neal.

There's really no reason to argue on this topic, he's gonna be a Chief so as fans we should support LJ and not talk bad about our own players it'll only make us look bad like Cowboys and the TO situation

inmem58:

I actually really hate to play the devil's advocate in this situation, but Larry Johnson DID make noises about being traded... he said he felt like he'd reached the end of his road in KC and that it was time for him to move on and that he was done in Kansas City or some nonsense like that. Like it or not (and I don't, because I want to keep him), he has been a complete shithead.

I know hes under contract, all im saying is that he could have asked to be traded, any player under contract can still ask to be traded, but he didnt ask. No big deal, keep LJ and run him into the ground, then Kolby Smith could start like i wanted

dude, he's under contract. he can't leave until he's traded or cut. it has nothing to do with him being a, er.. traitor or "true chief."

Extramental, he also had the option to be traded thats why a lot of ppl are saying hes a trader but there was "rumors" that he was gonna go if they gave him that pay cut, but instead of leaving KC to make his money, he stayed with the team, thats a true Chief, and no i do not like Edge at all either, he only plays for money and not pride.

Inmem: er... LJ was forced a grievance-mandated pay cut that resulted from him losing bonus money while suspended for being a woman-beating meathead thug. He's not involved in Chiefs Charity, here. That said, I still say we run his ass into the ground and see what happens before the wheels come off or we find a better option (not Edge).

Word on Ghiaciuc from Cincy fans is that he is HORRIBLE. This is the guy that snapped the ball into his own ass on a shotgun play.

"Sandya" you know what i got 3 words for you "what a comment" nobody could have said that more perfect props homie

Word on the Chiefs homepage is that we just signed an UFA C from Cincy Ghiaciuc. He was a 4th round pick in the 05 draft. Looks like a solid competitor up front. This could be yet another building block of a strong O line for a running back to prosper.

Ghiaciuc played for Central Michigan and blocked for a 1,000 yards rusher in each of his last three seasons there. In Cincy, he didn't have much to block for but started 42 games of the 48 he played in. I like this addition for the competition with Ruddy and his 4 years experience and starting potential. Building up the trenches, I like it.

Remember Edge went to Arizona when they were mediocre at best. Its obvious he went for the money . I can't imagine Haley or Pioli shelling out the dough to draw E.J's interest. I live in PHX and I saw all the drama with Edge. I dont see 2.5 yds p/carry being beneficial to KC. Beside E.J left Indy (a good team) to go the Cardiacs. Therefore supporting money motivated. I saw no effort/intensity from Edge. He wasn't counting yards p/carry he was counting dollars. He was just passing time to collect his money in AZ. There is no way he ends up in K.C however Q??? That's a different story. He's not as good as Fitz but definetly strengthens the corp. Q was instremental in Fitz's success. KC has to offset the loss of one of the greatest T.E's to play the game. I'm excited in whats going on and it's only gonna get better.

Why is everyone hating on LJ, he could have easily been traded, he took a pay cut to be a Chief, he obiviously sees something in KC and is willing to help out the team.

Larry Johnson is dead to me.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d8047fa02/Week-12-Kolby-Smith-highlights

It's far from a foregone conclusion that LJ won't rejoin the team for the 2009 season. The Chiefs have done nothing to indicate that they will make such a move. Javarris Williams is a nice roleplayer to have, but don't fool yourself into believing he'll be our lead Halfback.

Thnak you bbq

inmem58:

You'll want to go to the forums for that. This is a blog.

How do we post a new "topic"??????

I am new at this

Thanks

I wanna keep Johnson, but in regards to the "clean slate" comments, I also remember hearing Haley say they want players who "want to be Kansas City Chiefs". I'm pretty sure LJ made it well known that he doesn't fit that bill.

The word going around at the time of Franklins departure ,Is that he was out of shape & he got lippy with the wrong people. How true that was ???

Edge sucks and was cut for a reason, and this is the same post as yedterday, maybe another post tomarrow will make Edge 3 yeras younger and make the Trinity cut LJ..

I suspect that many "teasers" have been tossed about the league in regards to LJ and the possibility of a trade,,, I'm guessing the fish were not biting,,, so,, what to do---- I suppose it might be a possibility that 27 could remain and spend this season trying to rebuild his personal greatness with the hope of a trade next year, resulting in some time for us to work on another TEAM player to go with Mr Smith,, this is not my favorite option,,, I would rather continue to shop around for a good RB to back up Kolby and then let LJ go,,, how many times have we seen a no-name RB rise to greatness out of the blue??? LJ was a mistake as of day one after his hold out for the big bucks,,,, I don't believe he will ever be a team player for the CHIEFS..........

I really liked Kolby Smith how quick he was, I think Chiefs should start him and see where he fits in. Check him out during week 12. If he's the answer to your question maybe we should trade LJ for other talent. I do agree what you are saying CFS1967

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d8047fa02/Week-12-Kolby-Smith-highlights

I agree with your post Slack Jaw

Why would LJ be done in KC? Give me a reason Trade LJ for Edge is ridiculous, we already have a great RB. We need a WR like Bolden not a washed up Engram.

#31...hmmm stupid comment number...hahaha I never liked LJ neve wanted LJ we wanted a friggen wideout... the spread we ran needed another great wideout, not a runner...man oh man was carl always a idiot...

we lost a guy who could have been an outside rusher for us now, and cme in as a nickle package end, to keep this looser who never did much here but shit his diapers.

dont get me wrong I didnt really want bowe, I have learned to live with a yes we have him even though our line completly sucks ow, and may kill all our QBs, they need to start training to run the marathon with those wideouts we have...they will need it...

please once again give these guys 4 to 5 years...
and dont cry that atlanta and miami changed over night...

i still dont give credit to miami...give it to whom they played against last year.

atlanta has had a decent team without having stars,
last year they started to add a couple of them...and now added tony...trust me they didnt turn that team around that quickly...go look they really didnt...

we will be fine...no buy your johnson jerseys now

wrong one guys...lol

defense johnson

Edge is DONE. I'm almost positive. Larry has been performing adequately behind a craptacular line and would still be considered one of the better backs in the league if not for unfortunate losses of game time due to injury/deactivation/suspension.

And by the way, I don't think you coined the phrase "earn your Arrowhead". I've read that same thing on kcchiefs.com. Don't feel bad... I've thought I've made up jokes before only to find out I probably heard them from a comedian and forgot about it.

Adam, it's the truth as you see it, but to continue your train of thought, I want you on that wall.

Adam you are most certainly top five most read, and the number one most accessible to your readers.

The Edge, hmmm. Indy has already brought in help for Edge's replacement (Addai). I believe on the sliding scale of youth vs. experience that James has gone well past the tipping point there in the wrong direction. So, yes, he may be able to be had for less money than LJ, but we're not cap tight. So thats really not a concern.

Larry is under contract. If we cut him we'll still have to pay him some money while getting absolutely zero out of him. If we keep him he gets another chance at reviving his career, and we get a known producer. As I see it, those are both positives for both sides. Which in turn can be further positives for both sides come trade time.

What would we get in the future out of James? I don't believe he'll still be playing when Tony G. retires. So I don't see much future in picking James up. We get what, two seasons out of him with diminishing production? At the end of that he's done. It's like having a rental car; you drive it a while and then turn it back in. The only thing you have to show for it is some payment reciepts.

So if money is not an issue, and Larry is wanting increase his trade potential, and James has had issues with Haley in the past, I just don't buy James as a reasonable or even viable accquisition.

As a final aside to this discussion, weren't we on a youth movement here just recently? Out with the old, in with the new, wasn't that the idea? Build through the draft, that was a main point from Clark Hunt's mouth. I watched him say those words on the Chiefs homepage several times. So we picked up a couple of veterans before the draft. We are developing our current roster of young guys. Now we have more young guys from this draft.

Picking up James doesn't seem like a good fit in any sense to me.

I think LJ is a punk, who really needs his ass kicked. I have a feeling that will happen soon. I do not think LJ is a complete fool, he has learned that the rope is short and his lifestyle is in danger. Grave Danger.... I believe he will stay on the team put up a good year and get traded before the next draft.

But what the hell do I know, I thought we would fill some major holes in the draft.

Nope. Still dumb. Larry might get cut, but there are better options than Edge.

Are these the same red and gold prisms you were peeking through when guys like Bobby Sippio, and Michael Allen hit the scene? If I recall there have been many others you have gotten giddy about who ended up as duds.

I've thought about Edge coming here. It made sense. But thinking about last years debacle with him getting benched BY Haley? I just don't see him coming here, or wanting to come here.

There are other equally "seasoned" RB's available in the forms of: Ahman Green, Warrick's "done" Dunn, and DeShaun Foster. We could've tried for Bradshaw, Buckhalter, or any one of the other stronger backs in the league, but we didn't. Why? Because good things happen to bad people.

LJ sucks at life, but he has the stats to provide a team in progress with another look. This season will be about boosting his stats, AND status, to make him a flashier trading card next year. And should it pan out, it could definitely work to our benefit with acquiring more draft picks. And that is one area I have ZERO problem in with looking like the Patriots.

Adam you're not an idiot. Neither is Double D, Randy 5k, mills, or anyone else on this site. Keep the posts coming, we'll keep sharing our opinions. That's the beauty of the beast.

I don't understand the shift in tone here in the past few days but its seriously harshing my mellow. I'd like the edge to come in here and be productive if he still can, but I'd much rather sit back and try to wait for something more lucrative to shake out, or see if we can develop our current stable.

That being said I do believe the chiefs will cut Johnson when it becomes apparent that no one will give up anything for him. They should, there is one thing that could go right and about 100 that could go wrong with this guy.

There are just too many good running backs right now for anyone to take a chance on the this narcissist, whom happens to be a lady puncher, "allegedly."

Wow - who declared it bash Adam day and didn't tell me?

*smashes a bottle over Adams head

yeah....

Hope Merlin is next.

Adam,

I knew you'd like that :)

"you twist stories and write to try and convince everyone that your way is right and everyone else is stupid"

Your writing is so demeaning and it is only an effort to convince the audience that your opinion is fact, which its not. Similar to how you dogged on Curry ONLY because you wanted us to draft Crabtree. Sorry, just my opinion

dbk301,

I'm a contributor to FOX Sports and am the senior editor of an emerging sports network (FanSided.com). That being said, I love Kent Babb, but is it really outrageous for me to put myself on a par with Kent Babb? He's a new beat reporter for the Star. A very good one, but still. As for Whitlock, I contribute to the same MSM sports site he does. I don't have nearly his following yet, I realize that. I wasn't trying to put myself on a pedestal or anything. I mean, am I not one among one of the 5-6 most-read Chiefs writers? I don't think that was outrageous at all.

Chiefs447,

What did this article have to do with being liberal or conservative. C'mon, now.

Helmets,

People can believe whatever they want, but I'm going to say what I have to say.

Extrametal,

I said lots, not all of Chiefs Nation. Didn't tee off on all of it at all. Or at least that wasn't my intent.

Worst. Post. Ever? Even I've learned from the Pioli Trinity that nothing happens until it's happened. Having said that, I think blatantly proclaiming a player is "done" is pointless.