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Kool-aid is a great drink. I don't disagree with our need to build the front seven. I would have put Dorsey @ DE give him a year to see what he could do, no need for two DE's with our top two picks. If we didn't want Curry, I would have drafted DT Raji and gotten a DE in the third. We still might not have a DT.

Can someone explain our o line, and just how we are going to improve over last year. Our line got us to a third stringer and could not gets us 1 foot on several plays. The worst part of our team last year was the o line, we had two legit starters last year and three scrubs!!!

Kicker? TE in seventh? We could have had LB's Ellerbe and Beckwith.

Not to mention the Pack overpaying NE this year just to get Clay Matthews.

Also to those who wanted to see all the moving and shaking like NE. We had nothing to deal with this year, but now have an extra RD 2 pick to work with next year. NE has been working for years to stock pile their picks and be able to make all the trades like they do every year. You have to build up a base to work with and that will take time.

Chiefs / Broncos tie for best AFC West Draft

http://sports.espn.go.com/chat/sportsnation/story?id=4104114

JACKSON WAS PROJECTED IN THE TOP 10 OR 15. I just wanted to point out to all the crazies that think Jackson was projected late in the first or in the second round.

Prior to this draft there was a ton of Bitchin about how we couldn't play a 3-4 because of our personnel. We got arguably the 2 best 3-4 DEs in this draft and that has now changed. Dorsey won't play NT Tank will, and Dorsey will rotate as a DE, imagine that front 4 Magee, Tank, Dorsey Jackson in a 4, rotate Tank to nose and rotate Dorsey in a 3. This is not bad. Magee and Jackson are known run stuffers.

All of last Years DEs have been working out with the LBs so far, and we can probably bring Pollard down too.

I'd definitely wait and see how this turns out, it has some serious potential if coached properly and with proper defensive play calling.

Last year we all pretty much agreed that our Offense was capable of winning games if our D was capable of not losing them. With Cassel in town the Thigster is our Pat White that some of ya'll are raving about. I know Tony G. is gone from that offense, but the HC is now a former receivers coach (has to help D-Bowe) and I have a lot of confidence that Chan can work out something with what we have on offense. He adjusted masterfully last year.

I also think that a lot of last year had to do with how many rookies were starting and making mistakes. But those rookies will be starting again this year and making a lot fewer mistakes. I am excited about this upcoming season. We are gonna surprise a few people, it looks like mostly our own fans.

Not a poem sir, a work of art.

Looks like Denver decided to get a Colquitt of their own. That should make for an interesting family discussion.

BuckTheFroncos:

The only player I can identify on that list is Bobby Greenwood, and he was a very good 3-4 DE in college.

Any idea how these FA's we got rate?

* DE Pierre Walters (Eastern Illinois)
* WR Taurus Johnson (South Florida)
* LB Jovan Belcher (Maine)
* DB Londen Fryar (W. Michigan)
* DE Bobby Greenwood (Alabama)
* LB Bobby Abare (Yale)
* DT Dion Gales (Troy)

I also would have like to see Curry but Jackson will be a good player. I like the tandem that Dorsey and jackson will give us. Their both bigger athletic guys that can beat one on one blocking and keep guys off of our backers for them to make plays.

Also remember we got a Franchsie QB(hopefully)and a starting LB with our 2nd round pick i think thats pretty good.

The tackle out of Mizzou may be a promising project too. Hes obviously intelligent (academic all-conference) athletic (sounds like he was a good b-ball player) and driven he started as a walk-on.

I do question why we moved up to get a TE when we had a Hall of Famer??? If we dont use a TE why move up to get one even if it is in the 7th round

I thought for sure our 3rd round pick was gonna be between Gilbert or that Tate from NC but another DL.

I wanted Curry more than anyone, but you guys need to relax. Good football teams have good lines, and having pretty well the worst run defence last year it only makes sence that we solidified that D-line. When you say Jackson was not a 1st rounder on anyones board, that is straight up wrong. He was a mid 1st on almost all boards a week before draft day with many having go to Denver with their first pick. He's not exciting but he will be a rock for 10+ years. I bet the farm that you will see our rush yards allowed per game drop dramaticly over the next few years. One of the most important things in football is stopping the run, Pioli knows this and thus made the nessesary picks. The man is not an idiot. Washington was possibly an insane deal where he was picked. You can never have too many corners and this guy was said to be a potential 1st next year if he had stayed in school. Good pick. If you count Cassel in this draft, I'd give it a quiet B grade but would not be surprised if we look back in 2 years and see it as an A. Time will tell.

I am not impressed. I have talked for months about different trade plans and we did nothing. This is a plan of what we could or should have done.....

R1 #3 LB Aaron Curry-Wake
R3 #67 DE Jarron Gilbert-San Jose St
R4 #102 C Jonathan Luigs-Arkansas
R5 #139 OT Jamon Meredith-S. Carolina
R6 #175 CB Mike Mickens-Cincinnati
R7 #212 RB Rashad Jennings-Liberty
R7 #256 LB Darry Beckwith-LSU

Sgt,

I could be wrong but I think Denver was gonna snatch him at 12. So ..."because NOBODY was looking at him as a 1st rounder." is suspect.

My feeling on this draft is mixed. I wanted to make a splash. I wanted to come away feeling that we had just stolen the hidden gems thanks to are new Genius and his brain trust. When it became evident that this was not gonna be the case, I had a small meltdown. But after a couple 312's and a half a Z bar I started to reevaluate.

To go into a draft focusing on a single season is a mistake. I think Pioli saw that this class was weak. Sure there were some great-quality players available on day 1. But after that the meat was pretty much picked off the bone. Why trade away next years picks? Clearly NE saw this and grabbed the chance to get out of the 1st round. But doing that at #3 is not an easy task. I truly believe Pioli would have rather traded out then take Jackson. But he couldn't and knew how much money was involved with that pick. To me the only real fair evaluation of this draft will be after at least two seasons but more likely 3.

But even if Pioli's first draft was subpar, at least the other teams in our division bailed us out by completely phoning it in. WTF was Oakland thinking? Al Davis, the afterlife is calling my friend. And Denver fan...choke on that! If Bowlen gave Adam control of the team, he couldn't have scripted this disaster of an off-season any better. Pro-Bowl signal caller gone. Check. Draft a RB after signing 3 in the off-season. Check. Give away one of your first round picks next season for a questionable pick this year. Check.

It could always be worse I guess. We could be sitting here with Patrick Chung instead of Cassell.

...you know the same Christmas where we had the Atlanta Falcons open their present from us on Christmas Eve and we gave them a new bike.

Does anyone else feel like its the day after that Christmas when you got the pajamas and the sweater with your name one it?

Wonder who we will get next year with the 4th overall pick.

I guess we all have opinions on what we should have done in the draft,,, personally I would like to have seen us grab a bit more strength in the form of a target for Cassell,,,,but maybe that will come later,,, I for one will have to assume that Mr Pioli is better at his job than you or I,,,, and for now I am excited about the upcoming season,,,, GO CHIEFS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So this draft was so bad we have Tim screaming for Herm to come back???

I think I just threw up in my mouth a little.

C minus, sarge. For a team that's looking to "change the culture of losing" there's nobody on here who's a game changer. These guys are going to take awhile to develop and meanwhile there's no targets on O. A CB in the fourth round? Somebody help me here, aren't our DBs the only folks playing worth a crap on this D?

Somebody help me here, I was out of the country during this abortion -- what did we trade when we made our Big Move in the 7th to get a TE? I guess Miami has a history of pretty good TEs. Oh wait, this guy's from Miami (OH).

MF.

My grade for Pioli's first draft: C

McShay on the Chiefs draft:

Kansas City Chiefs
2009 draft class
Best pick: DT Alex Magee, Purdue (Third round, No. 67 overall)
Worst pick: CB Donald Washington, Ohio State (Fourth round, No. 102 overall)
Bottom line: Obviously, the best player will be Tyson Jackson, but it's hard to stamp the third-overall pick as the best. Magee provided better value, but Jackson should fit perfectly as a 5-technique in the Chiefs' 3-4 defense. Still, by no means do I think he's the next Richard Seymour, as he has been touted as in the days leading up to the draft. Magee has typically been better on the move, but he has the size, quickness and power to develop into a contributor on the defensive front. He has a quick first step and will help as an interior pass rusher on certain downs. Washington, however, was nothing more than a height/weight/speed pick who blew up at the combine, but has never come close to reaching his potential in college. OT Colin Brown is another one-year starter with some upside, but I'm not sure he'll ever develop into a good starter and there were better linemen on the board when KC drafted Brown. It was an uninspiring first draft for Scott Pioli and I'm sure Chiefs fans expected more.

Rudy? Cottam? Tamba, Turk, Dorsey, and Tank? FB, did we even use one? :)

I agree that he did give us two good corners from last years draft. Albert was giving to us since most of you guys wanted him with the 5th pick.

Our Starting: FB, WR, TE, LT, C, DE, DT, DT, CB, CB, FS, SS.

Define drafted well....

Thanks BBQ, you summed it up perfectly. We are not the patriots and we sure as heck dont have bill billicheck as coach.

To Scott.
Don't be fooled by all this negative propeganda you heard from this and other chiefs fan sites. We got exactly what we asked for and needed from herm edwards. He drafted well and trained well. We knew we were going to have a few negative seasons as we were rebuilding. Thats what happens when you are given an extremely aged team with not alot of depth. And.... Thats what we got, but lets take a look at last season. (if adam would allow me to send in a Very Long VLOG i could explain this in greater detail)

You look at the 4-12 season and the 2-14 season and what do you see?

You know what i saw? A team that got smashed on a 7 game losing streak (we were going 4-3 if i remember correctly), Or a team that competed and just lost over 50% of their games. Although in the W-L department we were worse. As a Team, we were much much better. Under Herm Edwards and a differant D-Coor, we would of been a great team this year.

I like the idea of acquiring versatile players who fit the system, but I'm really not too confident in what we're doing right now.

Take the Miami Dolphins.. they turned around so quickly because Bill Parcells came in, took control, and had a solid plan. He knew what he wanted to do and executed. It makes perfect sense that the Dolphins took Pat White in the second round... they were the pioneers of this new craze taking hold of the NFL, the "Wildcat" (maybe you've heard about it). Pat White will keep them a step ahead of everyone else.

I just don't see what Pioli and co. are doing right now other than trying to make our Chiefs a New England Patriots clone. A "hybrid" 3-4, old linebackers, opting against star players in favor of these no-names that "fit the system", whatever the hell that means.

It's a mistake. We are not the New England Patriots, or any variant thereof. We are the Kansas City Chiefs. I want the Chiefs to develop their own identity as a team... I don't want to drink "Patty Lite".

"If we kept herm edwards, we would be entering the competetive stage."

Competitive? With Herm? For what, to see if we can win less than Detroit did last year?

I hope we stick to a hybrid and don't fully transition to a 3-4. Dorsey would be able to use his skill set more effectively if that is the case.

To Everyone...

im not trying to be too negative here. I just want to provide an opposing argument. We just need to stay level headed and not get our hopes up. The "Trinity" are perceived as our saving grace. When really we need to be thinking realisticly. These draft picks are developmental at best. If we kept herm edwards, we would be entering the competetive stage. Since we have new guys, we are starting rebuilding again. Thus another 2-3 years of development as the new regime installs it programs.

Also, just for anyone who is still wondering. We are not playing in the 3-4 or the 4-3. We are playing a hybrid of both. EI. Like the Patriots. So most likely we wont have a NT, rather just DT rotating in.

Yeah, it's really hard to be optimistic about this weekend's events... the only guy we drafted that I even heard about before this week is Donald Washington.

Cassel has pretty much no one to throw to. D-Bowe has been effective with Tony Gonzalez drawing double coverage -- he doesn't have that anymore.

He also doesn't appear to have a whole lot of protection. The one O-lineman we drafted wasn't even on NFL.com's radar.

Our linebackers are still shaky unless we think either Demorrio Williams or Tamba Hali can be effective as a 3-4 OLB. Zach Thomas and Mike Vrabel are at the end of their careers.

The DT we drafted is too small to play NT, so I'm assuming he'll be an end and Dorsey will be an undersized NT.

The only upsides I really see right now are that we drafted a few very versatile players. Some of these guys can possibly contirbute in more ways than one. Donald Washington could serve as a kick returner and provide depth at corner. Quinten Lawrence apparently plays some corner as well as wide receiver and could also be an option at KR. Magee has played end and tackle.

But why... WHY... did we trade for another spot in the 7th round to draft a tight end that averages 9.8 yards a catch, and why did we pass up Louis sakoda for Ryan Succop. Apparently some people think Sakoda lacks elevation on his longer kicks that he will need at the pro level, but have you watched this guy? He has ice water in his veins. Probably the most clutch kicker I've seen since Adam Vinatieri.

Overall, I'm underwhelmed.

god lee yall need to quit bitchin and moaning im sick of it!! so in one draft u lose faith man..give the players a chance to prove them self and so ur sayin fuck pioli after one draft..god damn man chill out and have some patience!

adam wen u gonna do a vlog on wat u think about the draft

It is ridiculous to judge a draft right now. In three years if these guys haven't panned out than go ahead and say it was a bust. Saying it was terrible before they have even played a game is stupid.

Yup sky is falling, you're right.

WOW.....

Poili must of really needed Billicheck at New England, because its pretty clear he has no idea. Haley is no doubt just following orders and we have just had one of the worst drafts in years.....

All they are trying to do is recreate what the Patriots have done... Jackson aka Seymour, Wilwork aka Magee, except neither of those two are anywhere near that level. Signing Veteran LBs and hoping they can recapture the skill they had in their youth. Screw that, We don't have Bill Billicheck as coach and we are not the new england Patriots.

Look at the pats, business as usual when it comes to the draft. Trading Picks and players, nothing has changed on their end. It clearly never was Poili running that show and how much input he had, im beginning to doubt...

Dark days ahead.....

I don't have an issue with going for K, but why not go for a better kicker? Say Louis Sakoda maybe?

Also, I am a bit surprised that QB Hunter Cantwell was apparently never selected (or did I miss that?). I would at least bring him in to compete with B. Croyle for the #3 slot.

Ryan Succop the guy who ran the fake punt for the Gamecocks

here the site

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrpK0psAIqE