Christmas In April: The Chiefs And The Draft

I guess I have always been intrigued by the draft. I remember in 1978 when the draft was held on a Tuesday afternoon calling the K.C. Star all afternoon until I found out the chiefs had drafted Art Still out of Kentucky with the number two pick of the draft. That was before ESPN, the NFL Network and Mel Kiper.

Perhaps because it is almost like Christmas in April, opening packages that have been neatly wrapped under the tree. Or perhaps it is like finally getting a date with the good looking girl in your English class. It’s suspense, drama and the unexpected. The thrill of victory and the potential agony of defeat!

The Chiefs through the years have had both. They hit a grand slam in 89 with Derrick Thomas and struck out a year later with Percy Snow. They have hit homers with offensive tackles (John Tait and John Alt) and also struck out there (Trezelle Jenkins). It seems every position — as I reviewed the Chiefs’ first-round history going back to their first draft pick E.J. Hollub to the present — has had its successes and flops.

But what about this Saturday? I keep hearing about the athleticism of Aaron Curry. Yet he is not what is considered an impact position linebacker (i.e. pass rusher). Would it be wiser to pick a left tackle who could give future quarterbacks valuable protection for 10-12 years. Or do we take a chance that Michael Crabtee is the real deal?

It seems to me as a student of the draft that when you reach or project a player to develop you set yourself up for failure. At this juncture, the Chiefs have a plethora of holes to fill. As a result I would either trade down for additional  (not likely) or pick the player with the greatest potential to play for 8-10-12 years — an offensive left tackle. If I were the Chiefs, I’d select either Eugene Monroe or Jason Smith come this Saturday, and do so with a great deal of confidence.

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meant loadholt at RT typo there.

Ok so long scenario but i think a good one for our switch to 3-4.

Trade pick #3 to SF for: Picks 10,43,111
Trade Tony G, Waters, Hali, pick 111 to Buffalo for: picks 28, 42, 75.
Trade Dorsey to TB for: pick 19.

Pick #10: Tyson Jackson, DE
Pick #19: Everette Brown, OLB
Pick #28: Alex Mack, C
Pick #42:Max Unger, LG
Pick 43: Phil Loadolt, RT
Pick 67: James Casey, TE
Pick 75: Louis Murphy, WR
Pick 102: Ricky Jean-Francois, DE

Doing this makes our D-line: Tyson Jackson, Tank Tyler, Ricky Jean-Francois. LB's: Brown, Thomas, Johnson, Vrabel. That's a solid front 7 and the young guys will get better we'll have to get eventual replacements for Thomas and Vrabel.

Our O-Line would be: Albert LT, Unger LG, Mack C, Goff RG, Meredith RT. 4 of those 5 players could be on our O-line for 10 years and should perform well as rookies. WR's would be Bowe, Murphy as a deep threat, Engram in the slot. TE can be divided between Cottam and Casey.

been researching this for a couple hours now not sure how likely any of these trades are but they are possible as i researched the teams needs involved in the trade and put my value on the players we would trade. This draft would not make us a playoff team this year but it would get us into a good young 3-4 defense with great leadership and have a good offense that can control the game and protect our QB.

people if we let the time run on purpose... and the other teams think we did it on purpose

they WILL NEVER TRADE WITH YOU AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!

So essentially 102 you are saying Waters for Britton #3 pick for tyson jackson and Eric Wood Tony and Hali for English and giving away LJ who can still be a dominant back if he has that chip back on his shoulder which he should seeing as how everyone is saying he is washed up. Also why would buffalo want the #3 pick? I think our best bet for getting a trade is if Snyder from Washington really is in love with sanchez and seattle really is going to pick him at 4. Buffalo doesn't need another young quarterback to cause more QB drama they have had that for years.

Buffalo already has Lynch, Jackson, and Rhodes. They don't need LJ. But I really would like to get some extra picks somehow.

We have to trade down, no way can we be competitve in the next couple of years with the few signings, and our current picks. I like sending Tony,LJ,Hali and Waters off for high picks. What about Waters,LJ and #3 to Buafflo for #11,#28 and #42. Then Tony,Hali and Brodie to Atlanta for Their #24.

R1 #11 DE Tyson Jackson-LSU
R1 #24 LB Larry English-N. Illinois
R1 #28 OT Eben Britton-Arizona
R2 #42 C Eric Wood-Louisville
R3 #67 TE Shawn Nelson-S. Miss
R4 #102 WR Ramses Barden-Cal Poly
R5 #139 LB Scott McKillop-Pit
R6 #175 CB Greg Toler-St. Paul's
R7 #212 RB Arian Foster-Tennessee
R7 #256 QB Graham Harrell-Texas Tech

Brian Orakpo - 2008 All-American First Team Honors, The (Freakin' Bronco) Nagurski Trophy (Nation's Top Defensive Player), The Lombardi Award (Nation's Top Defensive Lineman), The Hendricks Award (Nation's Top Defensive End), Finalist for the Lott Trophy, Big Twelve Defensive Player of the Year, Unanimous First Team All Big Twelve, 11.5 sacks for a loss of over 100 yards, 17.5 stops for a loss of 112 yards, defended runs for an average of 0.026 yards advanced, allowed an average of 2.8 yards per pass play gained WHEN completed. Yeah, he's over rated and generally sucks. DD, are you kidding me?

Exactly how many sacks did the ENTIRE Chiefs defense have last season? And don't say UT opponents were just college teams. They beat the National Champion OU Sooners (#1) and Ohio State Buckeyes (#9). To say that Orakpo "reaks" is pure hooey. If you want to knock a player of his caliber you should do better than just running out to the playground and calling him a "doodie head".

first I'd just like to point out to baldy... M-I-Z-F-K-U!

and secondly I've also gotten over Aaron Curry also and have looking at other players for our pick.

I lose a lot of games of 8-ball, because I'll go for the only shot that gives me a chance at running the table. I'd rather see Dorsey move to DE, Hali to OLB. Not sure about McBride.

I can see trading Tony, especially as a deal-sweetener to a team that wants to trade up to #3. We want to keep Watters. Wouldn't count either Tony or Brian out as far as returning to the team, despite their absence in minicamp but I don't think you give up a quality guard in the hand, in the name of building your o-line. Much better to go with the proven commodity than to roll the dice on a rookie, no matter HOW glowing the scouting reports are.

The idea is to build as much as you can with what you've got, and not piss it away because you're falling in man-love with all these college players.

Orakpo would play OLB in 3-4.

There's plenty of talent down in this draft to build a BIG, TOUGH, MEAN, BLUE-COLLAR front 3. Use your #3 pick for the RARE types of players. Sure-thing starting LOTs, WRs, and CBs. Closest thing to a sure thing amongst those "stranded in space 1-on-1 guys" is one of the two OTs.

Crabtree wouldn't be a "system pick," or at least not a system I want running in KC. If the top 2 tackles are taken, and the Chiefs fail to trade down, then Curry is logical.

On the other hand, if the top two OTs DO go #1 and #2, think of all the teams who might want to reach for QB. Once I got over the drooping eyelids and learn more about him, _I_ am starting to like Stafford, and the more popular Sanchez gets, the more I think it's become a star-power thing with a player who was surrounded by elite talent, and maybe Sanchez won't be so dominant. He sure looks and talks the part, though, don't 'e?

Ha Double D you're not kiddin! I like Orakpo's workout ethic, he is a beast! But Mayock and several other analysts all seem to agree that he tends to take breaks during plays. He's had some big games and he's been recognized for them, but I would be shocked to see him taken with the number 3 over-all. He's good, just not that good.

Wouldn't mind solidifying that OL, and during our draft vote I picked Monroe. So I would be more than OK with that. I'd prefere to see us trade down if at all possible tho. Love to have Britton and either one of the centers, Unger or Mack. Or pick up Kruger, or English. But we have to have a 2nd for any of that to fall thru. I think we'll get a 2nd round pick, but for what and from where I have no idea. Just hope the juice is worth the squeeze.

Can't wait for Saturday!! GO CHIEFS!!

D, I think you meant Brian SACKpo. Ten frickin sacks last year! Really?

I would have no problem trading down but it is highly unlikely to happen.

And if the scouts think Curry could blitz and be our pass rusher, then that would make sense, but I really like Orakpo's versatility. He's just a bad ass.

Orakpo? I got a new name for that draft philosophy - It's called Over-re-akpo!

I've gone back and forth so much I don't know who I want us to draft. I do know I want us to trade down.

What I want to know is why everyone thinks Curry won't make a good pass rusher or be good in the 3-4. I know that's not what he did in college but he's got the tools right? Not to mention great speed for a LB.

Please stop saying we should let our pick slide and draft later on. That is truly one of the dumbest things I've heard as a draft strategy.

Thank you Chiefs447!!! My point exactly!

Uh, Brian Orakpo, duh. The best pass rushing defender in the draft. How many sacks did we have last year? Oh yea, 10. It... just... makes... sense, m... k....

Heard crazier ideas, Baldy... keep drinkin.' Defensive investment drafting!

Just to clarify we cut Thigpen if we cant trade Sanchez.

Alright so I've been thinking about it and I've come to a conclusion. No one can decide on what to pick. No one really wants to pick at #3. Curry, No. Crabtree, No. OL, No. So what we can agree on is that we need to trade down. Everyone keeps talking about savvy picks. Here's mine.

With the #3 pick in the draft the Kansas City Chiefs select......Mark Sanchez.

Yup.

Everyone wants us to trade down and no one wants to pick at 3 so there it is. If someone really wants him, well now they HAVE to trade for him. Either way we cut Thigpen and yes we have a Browns situation but oh well. Someone would trade for him and instead of waiting for someone to make a move we make it for them.

Crazy and unreallistic yes but I am drunk so suck it.

Orakpo. I still am calling Orakpo at #3. We had a league record in NOT having sacks last year. We had scant pressure on QBs. Our corners are good and maturing. Our middle is now improved and has real leaders. It's our D line that needs help, badly. Curry is not that guy. Orakpo's bread and butter was making QBs (OUs Bradford, OSUs Robinson, TTUs Harrell, and Ohio State's Pryor and others) run for their lives. We're not getting Peppers. J. Taylor we may get but he's no Peppers.

If we are going to a 3-4, who will be our pressure guys? And we need a WR or OL more? We scored some and will score more this year. But we didn't STOP anybody really. Did we learn nothing from the Vermeil score-o-thon team from a few years ago?

I think people are overselling that holdout thing. Didn't happen with Kevin Williams, and I think Tyson Jackson would be thrilled to go somewhere in the top ten to the Chiefs. Sure, his agent will try, but he won't have much firepower.

That is just disrespecting the Chiefs and their staff to pull something like that. Lamar would roll over.

If Pioli takes other than an OL at 3 it will be a DL and not Curry. If we can get back into 2 we can get a Loadholt, or Duke Robinson to plug in at RT and still have a very good OL.

And yes I realize that both MU and Baylor are not in Kansas.

Side Note:

I feel I have to address something that is getting absolutely no play during all of this wonderful pre draft discussion.

The Baylor Bears are good at stuff. Being a lifelong Kansas native I have become accustomed to three things. KU being awesome. MU sucking balls. And the Bad News Baylor Bears being terrible at all things sports(since joining the Big 12). This was a huge year for Baylor in both programs and they have a potential top 3 player in the draft. Just thought I'd mention that since its not getting any air time.

I just forgot to add him. I put in Niswanger and accidentally left him out.

Why not pick up Tauscher for a RT?

If we did take Monroe as our LT, then I would slide Albert to LG, Waters to C, Goff @ RG, and either Tauscher/DMac/Richardson @ RT.

Old Chief, I disagree with you about Curry. Just because his rushing stats aren't high does not mean he's not an impact player. If he's put in a 3-4, I have little doubt that he'll end up with more than his fair share of sacks, INTs, and TFLs. The guy has perennial pro-bowler written all over him. If that's not "impact," I don't know what is.

Nice post here. I have slowly convinced into the theory that we take an o-lineman now. Took me a bit to get over Curry, but I'm there.

Baldy, what about RG Goff?

Oops- "There are no good O linemen in free agency left"..... Correction, I did have sex with Katie.

There are no good linemen in free agency left. There are plenty of quality D line spot filler gapstops on the market. Fix the O line through the first couple of picks. Personally I like Monroe and Duke Robinson or either of the Center prospects. Give me my dominant O line back! If jason taylor is available after the draft. Grab him and our defense looks capable of NOT losing 8 games for us. Imagine:

LT: Monroe
LG: Waters
C: Niswanger/Mack/Unger
RG: Duke Robinson
RT: Fat Albert
TE: TG

Sick! Make it happen. Not even Adam can argue with that :)

Question: How do the Chiefs succeed for the next forseeable future?
Answer: By keeping Matt Cassel UPRIGHT

Here, Here, Old Chief!!

Trade down or take an OT! Sounds good.

By the way, I will be at the Ducks/Sharks game tonight. Jealous?

Sorry about St. Louis :-(

I still say we will trade down, but OL all the way if we stay at 3. When we trade down we can take an OL then with one of the picks also.

I still go back to the notion that taking a LT with #3 pick is an example of trying to fix something that's not broken. I'm actually amazed that so people believe it's a smart idea to replace Albert and then hope that he can continue to play @ a high level somewhere else along the line. Not only does that sound stupid to me, it also seems like a really big gamble to boot.

I am 98% convinced that Pioli will take whomever he believes is the best defensive player available if he's left with having to pick #3 overall.

As Adam touched upon earlier, maybe we just don't pick at all. Let the time run out. If we can't trade, it sounds good to me.

Slip down until we feel it is safe to take the DE from LSU (Jackson). Would be interesting, right?

Let it happen, don't reach. Unless we realy like Monroe, or Curry or Crabtree.

If Jackson is the pick, then let the time run!

You don't think his agent is still going to be asking for #3 pick money? Has hold out written all over it.

Might as well repeat myself since everyone else is -- Williams didn't hold out because it was an obvious Minnesota screwup. They grabbed him the very next chance they got, and sliding one position wasn't much of a difference. "Passing" down five or more spots, say, is an obvious ploy and is a vote of "not enough confidence" in whatever guy we irritate by eventually settling on. And we announce that we're either unwilling or too inept to work within the existing system.

Ah, forget it. Won't happen, so I'm done talking about it.

can we say two o-linemen day one?

I would love a tackle...

we have added to our d this off season, the way it could be seen is that they were shoring up some spots to go O in the draft, which long term and short makes some sence to me anyways...

with next year having quite a few people becoming free agents, and another draft then...
the chiefs could turn around in as little as two years.

I think the point of the 3-4 isn't to get a playMAKER on the DL, but to get a playENABLER on the DL. Let Gunther Cunningham send big lumbering men chasing after fleet-footed QBs (more of 'em all the time) and RBs.

So looking for sacks from DE and choosing Over-re-ack-po in accordance is not in keeping with that philosophy. I'm more OK with Curry than Orakpo or Raji, especially at #3.

The biggest threat with Monroe would be whether or not Albert could find a new home elsewhere on the line (or in the league?). But some here appear to have more faith in Albert than his rookie year inspired in ME. So how about it, gang? Is Albert the real deal, or NOT? IF not, then here's a perfect opportunity to land that franchise LOT that can keep a team in the playoffs for years, with good (needn't be GREAT) players next to him.