Merlin's Magic: Draft Philosophy Edition

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On the last week before the draft, it’s time to talk draft philosophy. This has been an odd draft season on Arrowhead Addict. There has been relatively little discussion on the best athlete versus best player available philosophies. So, some review is in order. The correct approach is a blend of both ideas. Generally, players are lumped together with similar grades. You want to get one of those players that fit your team best at an area of need.

Looking at the Scouts Inc. rankings as posted on ESPN, let’s look at the set of possible players we can take at #3. The ranking system is out of 100 points. Curry (OLB) and Crabtree (WR) carry the highest grades of 97. J. Smith (OT), Orakpo (DE) and Monroe (OT) have grades of 96. Maybin (DE), Raji (DT) and Stafford (QB) are graded at 95. Since eight players have grades of 95 or better, 95 is probably your minimum score for the #3 pick in the draft. Keep in mind that each team may have these players with different grades, but let’s work with the set we have here as an illustration.

Going through the Chiefs positional needs, Stafford is the first player to be removed from the list. We have no need to draft a QB in round one. We are looking pretty decent with Tank Tyler as the NT type in the 4-3 under defense we are running this year. So, Raji falls out. With Bowe and Tony G as pass catchers, we really don’t have a huge need to draft a WR. So, Crabtree is stricken from the list. We need a pass rushing threat and we only have one good young o-lineman, so the other players (Curry, J. Smith, Orakpo, Monroe and Maybin) stay on the list for now.

Pioli is a GM that has a pretty strong template for type of players he wants on his team. At a high level, I reviewed this in the past. In a nutshell, he wants smart, high character, high motor players that are very, very dedicated to football. When you look at a scouting report on a player and you see that a player takes plays off, fails a drug test or gets suspended you can remove him from your list. Looking through scouting reports on the players left, Curry and Orakpo jump off the page at me as being the smart, dedicated players we may be looking for. Smith and Monroe are great talents, just a notch below those two and Maybin seems more like a project than a complete player at this point in time. Other services have Maybin listed in the teens on their big board. I am going to drop him from our example. The ESPN rankings may be an outlier.

The final piece of the puzzle is positional value. Not all positions are worthy of a top five pick. Long time readers may remember my mantra for the most important positions on the football field. They are, once again, be the QB, protect the QB (left tackle) and kill the QB (pass rusher). These are not the only positions worthy of a top five pick, but they are the most important (the other positions would be RB, WR, DT, CB). We have a QB, so the QB need doesn’t apply to us. We have a good left tackle, but Albert could play either guard position and perhaps right tackle. Since we are weak at center and RT, the tackle need is viable, but it is not a huge need. The pass rusher need is huge and is the obvious choice for our first pick. Let’s take a look at our remaining four players in terms of positional value.

Aaron Curry is a fine overall LB prospect. The best available in the draft for the past several years. He played in a 4-3 system in college, so it is a projection to evaluate his value in a 3-4 defense. Specifically, can he function well as a pass rusher? He has the skills, but he wasn’t asked to do that in college. This is the key question of the draft. If Pioli and Haley believe that Curry will be an elite pass rusher in the NFL, this is the obvious pick.

Brian Orakpo suffers from a similar problem. He projects well as a 4-3 DE. He should be able to play the ‘predator’ designated pass rusher in the 4-3 under. However, if the 4-3 under is a temporary alignment as we transition to a pure 3-4, is he lost as a glorified DT as a 3-4 end or can he make the transition to an OLB? Again, projection becomes an issue.

Jason Smith is a smart OT that could be a very good Chief. He played in a spread offense, so with him you have to project his effectiveness as a run blocker.

Eugene Monroe is another fine tackle. He has some minor injury concerns and the knock on him is the lack of a killer instinct. He does have good tape as a run blocker and a pass blocker.

Going through the players in our example, Monroe is the player who requires the least projection. All the other players have questions that need to be answered. How the Chiefs project those players into their system will determine how the Chiefs rank those players.

In a few days, I will drop my article on how I would stack and run the board for our first round pick. That is always good for some fun discussion. Before anyone asks, no the Crabtree Chubby Club can’t get a seat at the table.

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Hmills,

Lets not get things twisted. I would MUCH rather run a traditional, pro style offense. I'm just saying, I think the spread could work in the NFL, but you must run the ball. The Pats ran a very successful spread in 07, but they we're a deceivingly great running team as well. There must be balance or it just won't work. Also, the QB has got to AT LEAST complete passes, so the clock can be managed. I can't count how many times Thiggy threw 3 straight incomplete passes that led to a QUICK 3 and out.

Heh. OK, Masterblaster. I was just repeating hearsay. My bad. Glad to hear you think he's worth keeping.

Contrary to most, my impression last season was that the Chiefs' struggles against the run were more about lack of stout at DE than a problem with the tackles, and that the tackles KC had were a pretty big and athletic bunch.

So the switch to 3-4, to ME, is more about taking advantage of the talent at stout that the Chiefs already have, than something that's going to require a total makeover. A blue-collar ROCK of a NT makes a lot of sense, but not a high first-round reach for Raji, but a trade-down for Brace, instead.

chiefs447: I like the spread, too. Denver ran out of it all day long on the way to SB victory. The way OL is sizing up in this year's draft, if the Chiefs go interior OL later on, the "I" might be the thing to run as bread-n-butter, the way Dallas did a few years back, especially if we stumble across a great fullback.

I know I'm rambling, but I see a kindred spirit in you, the way you talk about the spread. And if KC goes all nimble and zone-block-y on us, it can be killer. But personally, I feel that an OL upgrade will likely be in the "big mauler" direction, when I look at who's out there.

The kindred spirit part is your understanding that offense needs to be balanced, and you should threaten to run OR pass out of most/all of your formations. Sprinkle in a little (lot of) "take what the defense is giving you" and by the end of the season, you WILL come out close to 50-50.

The main problem I have, though, with your appreciation of the spread, is that it was successful RELATIVE to standard stuff that a SOUND team would be doing. The spread worked best because other things weren't working as well as they should, and KC happened to have one of the most athletic QBs in the league.

Nice to see that Merlin and Double D are still holding down the fort.

I've been buisy on another site battling an entrenced "OT Maphia" trying to get them to see the light...er Curry.

I would like to address one thing though. The question of Tank Tyler's "intelligence" when moved to NT. I think it is equivolent to Adam's argument that Clady, of Donkey's fame, was gona be a "big fat bust" in the NFL because he was "too dumb to tie his shoes" (so sayeth the wonderlic). We all see how that turned out. I think Tank is in a similar position. Now, it is possible that he does falter at this position, but I dont think "lack of intelligence" is a reason to dismiss him from this position. If anything, "lack of intelligence" can be used as "nails in his coffin" if he screws up on his first outing (which I dont think he will). So, to sum up, wait till after the 09 season to pass judgment. Then you can go all "Croyle is made of glass" on him.

Adam: The real depth on OL in this draft is in the interior. Below the top 2, it becomes a "picking-for-upside-potential" thing. It becomes "the best tackle remaining on the board" thing. It becomes a "Victor Riley" thing.

If your intention is to go OT, you go with the surest bet, not for upside.

MAYbe you're onto something if you think Albert can hang, and are thinking of getting a brawling right tackle. Also, if Tony G DOES end up leaving, and KC goes with a mauler at TE, maybe the O-Line is better served with a right tackle pick and some interior line help farther down in the draft. But it all hinges on just how well Albert can and will play, and I'm looking at a guy that took the left tackle spot from him in college, and another guy who's as good or better (in some books).

Chiefs447: I can't quite make sense of that paragraph you wrote on Orakpo. What does the Chiefs spread offense have to do with it? Are you saying that it's a really good offense; therefore, Orakpo must be good becaue he got 10 sacks against the spread offense in college? Having trouble connecting the dots in your prose.

Guys like Jerry Rice played in a different era where speed was not as much a factor. In the days when he played, the rules did not favor pure speed receivers as much because the defenders had greater ability to hang them up. Rice's skill was outmaneuvering those guys to get separation. The new rules (5 yard contact limit, etc) now favor speed over finesse. Bottom line, the passing game has changed and the guys with good wheels and good hands are now in vogue as the preferred #1, deep threat type WRs. Last time I checked, we still don't have one of those and quite frankly Crabtree doesn't fit that bill either.

Hmills,

I dont mind the spread offense as long as you run out of it more than we did. The lack of running the ball and controlling the clock lost us a few games last year, no doubt in my mind.

The spread offense is designed to protect the QB. It gives him the chance to read the defense and blitzes easier, and allows him to get the ball out of his hands quickly. Our offensive line improved greatly when we switched to the spread. Thats where the comparison came from.

Nice discussion, gentlemen. I agree that there's no substitute for talent at WR, Adam, but I'm not sure Crabtree sizes up as a dominant WR, necessarily, even giving you the push on the fractured foot.

Every time his 40 times come up, people will say "Yeah, but look at Jerry Rice's 40-time back in the day," totally missing the point that Rice was a 5th-rounder, NOT an instant multimillionare #3 pick. Talent scouts will come out and say he's dominant, though, and I'll give you a little somethin', there.

Nevertheless, it's a #3 pick. There's a lot you can do farther down at WR, with much less risk.

Adam,

Some points that you overlook:

-Michael Crabtree is not a big reciever, nor is he a speed reciever.

-Michael Crabtree played against weak Big 12 defenses. (See: every bowl game they played)

-Michael Crabtree had surgery after the season on his foot.

-Michael Crabtree played in a system offense. (See: number of passes attempted per game)

-Brian Orakpo had, what, 10 sacks last year against mostly spread offenses. The same number of sacks the Chiefs recorded as a team. That is saying a lot as you saw how much better our line improved going to a spread offense.

-And lastly, DEFENSE WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS!

How often does a WR come in and make an imact right away? With the lineman not as much risk.

There are some good WR that will still be available in the 3-5 rounds. Barden, Murphy, Massaquoi, Gibson, and maybe even Harvin depending on what teams think of all his baggage.

Lot of depth at tackle and linebacker in this draft, fellas. WR? Not so much. That is another point consistently being overlooked.

Keep saying get weopons for Cassel with the Crabtree pick, but if he is not protected and he spends the game on his back what good is that. You have to protect the investment. Trade down is still my first choice but if we stay at 3 we have to get one of the tackles.

Zach, you are also (conveniently?) overlooking the fact that LBs don't typically rush the passer in the 43 unless a blitz is called. In the 34, at least one LB always rushes the passer. If the scheme that Curry played in didn't call for him to rush the passer, then his stats will reflect that. Not that complicated to figure out really. Can he be an effective passer rusher within a 34? Yeah, I tend to believe he has the size, strength, speed, and talent to do so. Why not?

"No coach would have their best “sacker” dropping back in pass coverage. That would be STUPID!"

That's pretty much what Herm did - over Gun's objections apparently. It's called soft D.

LMAO! Merlin I love you buddy but I have to agree with Adam here. You can't dismiss the best skill player with one sentence. Also because Tony A) Is going to be traded or B) He will retire in the next few seasons. What are you going to do IF we do take him?

Another thing I am sick and tired of hearing. You can dismiss Crabtree with ease but use this excuse that Curry wasn't ask to rush the QB in college. When all the pro scouts have said that is not what he is good at. Sacking the QB is one of the most important things in the NFL. For example, the Chiefs defense last year. Sucked at rushing the QB and our defense sucked. I have to write this in all caps:

IF HE WAS GREAT AT SACKING THE QB THATS WHAT HE WOULD HAVE BEEN DOING IN COLLEGE!!!!!!

No coach would have their best "sacker" dropping back in pass coverage. That would be STUPID!

STAY AWAY FROM D LINE, WE HAVE MANY YOUNG PLAYERS AND IT SIMPLY TAKES TIME TO DEVELOPE, get Curry, then blitz DJ often

OK. I've monopolized the conversation long enough (and longer). Thanks for being patient with me, guys. I'm sure I'll settle into something more reasonable, now that I'm getting my free-writing fix.

My interest won't wane after the draft. I'll be eying the waiver wire like a vulture, speculating on the impact rookie X might have on the release of veteran Y, even though June 1 won't have as much significance, this year. Reading every scrap of every training camp report...

But after tonight, I'm going to have to get back to my life, and let y'all get back to YOURS! Sorry!

Congrats to AA for the programming and site organization.

I like Jackson, too, and I agree that with the DL situation resolved, whoever KC drafts at LB out of this deep class is going to be successful. English is certainly a good one, but there is another (and another), as Yoda said to Luke.

hmills - monopolize away, please. I'm really enjoying your break downs and analyses. And I agree with pretty much everything you've offered so far.

Too many people get all ate up with the notion of bringing in an "elite" pass rusher who comes off the edge. A good 34 doesn't require that. What an effective 34 will do is bring blitzes (and sacks) from everywhere which keeps the QB & blockers constantly guessing & off-balance. The sack total in the 34 is more a function of the effectiveness of the scheme, different looks, disguising, etc. than individual effort although the latter certainly never hurts.

I have a strong feeling that the Lions will take Curry but if they don't Curry seems to me to be a near perfect piece to the Chiefs going-to-the-34 puzzle as well as for an interim 43 and any hybrid/transition schemes. He can play all LB positions which will give the Chiefs that key ability of disguising what their doing and who's coming. Moreover, all indications are that he has all the makings for being the "franchise QB" of his defense; high character, high motor, intelligent, physically gifted, versatile, love of the game, natural leader, etc. All the attributes that Pioli and Haley should love. The supposed knock on him about his lack of pass-rushing stats falls squarely into the category of "upside" in my book.

If we get Curry, then I'm totally cool with giving Tyler his shot at NT. If we don't get Curry, then I would prefer seeing us bring in Raji to anchor the DL. I see Dorsey being just fine at DE after he sheds the 15-20 lbs he put on to play DT in the 43.

I personally have Orakpo pegged as being this year's draft bust. Coming out of the Big 12, I believe he will suffer from "big fish, small pond" syndrome. I don't think he'll be able to hang in the NFL.

Btw, in case you haven't caught on yet, and even though I love the guy and what he's done with this site, Adam really couldn't give 2 sh**s about defense or running the ball. All it seems he ever wants/cares to talk about is the passing game. Thus the obsessions with Crabtree, Sanchez, Fitzgerald, Ryan, Sippio, blah, blah.

I dunno, 102win. I just have this impression (from faulty memory) that I liked the things Tyler did. Saw him more as a hold the middle and push than a rip through his blocks and sack the QB kind of guy. He always seemed to be in the thick of things when the DL got a good push.

One thing about basing observations on a Cunningham defense is his desire (dating back to the days when Leslie O'Neal made Cunningham's reputation) to see DL's getting sacks. You tend to get a false impression, because of the number of times you see the big men stranded in space, coming off-balance up the field, instead of systematically collapsing the pocket vertically.

Merlin,
Good write buddy.

Tyson Jackson:

Mayock says "Scheme diverse. May kick inside."

In a 4-3, he scouts as a DT. I seem to recall he had rated a 94 on that nebulous rating system Merlin was talking about in his draft philosophy article.

Only 8 sacks the last two years after 8.5 as a sophomore. 3-yr starter. 30 pressures on his career. 27 tackles behind the line.

Positives: Pretty much a very very good all-around blue collar DL. Sounds like a Pioli kind of mind.

Negatives: "Bit of a 'tweener for 4-3 teams." I reserve "'tweener" for OLB/DE, but in the current context, I think it means DE/DT 'tweener. Basically don't want him every down on the edge, if you're looking for explosion and lateral mobility in space.

A true trenches guy, in other words. But not a guy you want to strand in space. Definitely my kind of 3-4 DE, but I wonder if the Chiefs need that so much as they need a true NT and size at LB.

I like his 6'5'' and 296 numbers. From a college DE, even though he scouts as a 3-4 guy, those are 4-3 bookend vital stats. I think I'd rather see the Chiefs add a NT like Ron Brace, if they could position themselves so as not to make it a reach.

I'm concerned about Tank Tyler at NT being overwhelmed by the mental demands. Ron Edwards might be able to pull it off. But I'm kinda thinking Cunningham-style DTs might make sense as solid 3-4 DEs.

Adam, I'm not sure if your elluding to this with your previous post but could someone drum up some info on this Jackson fella. I have neither the time or dedication to look up any information unless its on this site.

Tyson just recently became very popular and I cannot find any significant information on him. There is plenty on Barwin, Brown, Sintim etc.

If you already have something planned then I apologize for jumping the gun.

Oh, he's definitely on the radar, but I had him figured as a good choice in various trade-down scenarios. Not #3.

I think the talent assessment gurus (and past experience finally sinking in) are skeptical about this year's draft, in general. Isn't Tyson Jackson a true 3-4 DE?

I have always been concerned about Tank Tyler, I just do not remember a thing he has done to earn such faith. I would take DE Tyson Jackson, unless the whole 3-4 thing is a smokescreen. I want to trade down to Jackson, and then get back in the late first to get Larry English. English could be a bigger name in five years than Curry.

Put someone with Tony and get a late first back, Atlanta,Philly or NYG

One guy we aren't discussing is Tyson Jackson. That will change tomorrow.

Merlin, I love how you dismiss Crabtree with one sentence. Tony G. might be gone and Bowe, while very good, might be more Boldin than Fitzgerald. I think people forget that we have to give Cassel and Haley the tools they are accustomed to having in order to succeed. We will never see eye to eye on this, though.

So either Monroe's college coaches got it wrong, or this Charles Fisher guy is blowing smoke, hoping an OT falls to Seattle, to protect his geriatric quarterback.

OK. Here's a slap in MY face:

"In another draft none of these guys would be top five," Seattle Seahawks scout Charles Fisher said. "They're good players, but I wouldn't consider any of these guys as pure franchise cornerstones. Branden Albert is more athletic than all these guys."

Taken from http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2009/4/20/845643/in-...

Very alliterative!

Sorry to inflict my "jailhouse blitz" rant on you guys. I just like seeing DBs harrying the backfield.

Crabtree chubby club....that gets funnier every time I hear it!

I'm also a "protect the QB, kill the QB" kind of guy, Merlin. But I'm more about "system sacks." It's about dominant line play that frees LBs. It's about DB play that frees up Ss. I'm an 8 men in the box all day guy.

So, yeah, a great pass-rushing end is great, 'n' all, but it's more about jamming on the edge and bringing extra hats from all directions. Just tell your SS to kill the man with the ball. I'd even run a 3-3-5/4-2-5 as often as possible, just to get speed into the offensive backfield.

I don't want the nickel back in there so much to cover down the field as I want him in there to generate more uncertainty as to who's coming from where, and you BETTER beware the jailhouse blitz.