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Yea, but 2 out of 3 ain't bad and again, it is the NUMBER 1 OVERALL PICK. LB is supposed to be deep, and they have two first round picks. Sorry, I'm not buyin it.

I agree with the post. I don't think Stafford will be #1. And if they do select Curry, how is that forcing us to take a WR? We wouldn't waste a pick on something we don't even need. Would Crabtree help us out? Yes, he would, but why fill a hole thats not that big compared to our holes that we can burry ourselves in? IMO it might be a good thing if the Lions pick Curry because that leaves both Stafford AND Sanchez on the board...We could use both of them as bait to trade down for more picks like the Broncos, 49rs, Jets. And "Chiefs447" The Lions do have two good LB now but remember who the D-Coordinator is? Cunningham, and you know he will want another D player that will help improve his team a hell of alot.

thank you DD I have long said a reach for a player is only a reach when the person saying so wants another player...

as for a reach I dont think you can draft top five this year without reaching...

now if crabtree was injury free then we would have had one who deserved the top five area in the draft.

the top just doesnt have stars this year.

I would love a tackle...most fans wont, curry or o-line will make my day...

we have D-linemen which we can rotate this year
and we can grab one of the big beasts next year to jump into the nt spot. Or grab a big guy this year later in the rounds.

we have lost so much on the o-line...people look it doesnt matter who we have on offence if we dont have an o-line...that cn open holes or PB for the QB

what ever happens this year in the draft, we cant blame piolli for who came out this year.

Aaron Curry would play MLB for the Lions. Peterson and Sims play outside. Last time I checked, in the 4-3 you still need three backers ;)

Why would the Lions "need" Aaron Curry. They already have Ernie Sims and they traded for Julian Peterson. That makes zero sense to use the first overall pick on an LB, with those two already on the team.

I've been arguing for months that Detroit won't take a QB with their first pick. They'll either go LT (Jason Smith would be my guess) or Curry. If Detroit does go Curry (which fills a huge need for them btw), then St. Louis will probably go with LT Jason Smith.

The way I see it, that leaves Pioli, assuming no trading partner exists for him, with the choice of taking either a NT (Raji) or Albert's former teammate Monroe. If history is any guide, I have to believe he will go defense and that his pick will be the future anchor for his base defense, the 3-4. A lot of people might argue that Raji is a reach @ #3, but Pioli has frequently taken players that all the experts regarded as a reach at the time - and ended up proving those experts completely wrong. Reach or not, Raji is considered a top 5 pick on most boards so I personally do not see him as a reach. In fact, taking him would be a pretty savvy move in my opinion.

You could see from the start that Hali didn't enter the league with 4-3 DE "stout." But they tried to force him into that, rather than looking for ways to play him from an upright stance.

And the new crew IS working him at OLB. He CAN put his hand in the dirt on passing downs, and be a contributor, especially with an edge rusher on the other side or a DT/DE who's playing more to free up the LB than to make the sack by himself.

But yeah, if he doesn't make the grade as OLB, I'd say he's a bust.

No its not his numbers its his heart and decision making. Not sure b/c it never came out if his issues at the combine were due to bad advice by his agent (which he promptly fired after the combine). Seems healthy, numbers are good, looks good on film just not sure if his head and heart are in it.

Tamba Hali has been a bust as a first round pick in my opinion. Everyone loved his motor but his numbers were crap. We couldve had Manny Lawson or a number of other people instead. Not impressed.

So what's the gripe about A. Smith? Jamie Dukes loves his feet. Was it lack of upper-body and punch?

Had the same gripe about Tamba Hali as a 4-3 end. Loved his wheels, but was at a disadvantage from the 3-point stance (I thought) in terms of power. You don't pick at #3 in the hopes of up-side.

Yeah, baldy. In that scenario, if you can't get out of the #3, you can forgive Pioli for taking the all-around LB. I just have a hard time paying a LB that much for his whole career. It's hard to make salary cap decisions with a LB everybody loves, even when it makes sense from a team standpoint.

Exactly the D will pan work itself out b/c that is what Pioli is really good at. He puts together a D with anybody better than anybody. His offenses have always been patchwork but his O line and defense have always been the mainstays of his team. With all the moves made on D already and what I already think is a done deal waiting to be revealed until after the draft, ahem Jason Taylor, O line is the only logical choice at the top of this draft. Unless they are lucky enough to get out of this spot, you take the sure thing. Granted, no one knows who that is but my money is always on O line. Hopefully J. Smith or Monroe fall, A. Smith is toooooo much of a reach and does not fit the Pioli mold. Curry is the pick only if those two are already picked.

I love the way Pioli acts all humble about his great eye for talent. But I think he's a smart system guy, who creates situations for skill players to flourish and emerge, and that's what I'm hoping for in KC.

I want to hear everyone whining because we didn't pick Curry and then raving about some 3rd-round nobody who gets 10 sacks for the Chiefs in '09, because Pioli takes care of the DL.

Peyton Manning and Troy Aikman are two SB winners who were selected before all the pieces were in place. But I still think that model is upside-down. Get that O-Line humming and all of a sudden, 5th round draft picks start dominating the league (Terrell Davis, Tom Brady).

Those great skill players will get you to the playoffs, and maybe even win a game or two in the postseason, but almost invariably, the more soundly built all-around team wins it all.

Agree with you, baldy.

Culpepper might no longer be the brutal scrambler he once was, but the point of great offense is to protect that QB! Behind a solid line and a good running game, Culpepper could strike terror into defenses with Calvin Johnson as a target. QB ain't the issue.

But, as Adam says, it's not so much a matter of scrying what's smart for Detroit as it is a matter of predicting what they'll actually do!

Fearing the worst, I'm thinking OT goes #1, #2, and I'm trying to decide if I'd be OK with Andre Smith, who has great feet for a big man.

And yet, Philly never quite put all the pieces in place around McNabb. Every criticism of him that I've heard over the years goes right to that offensive line!

Maybe this year will be different, with Peters on board. See what else they do. Westbrook might lose a step this offseason, and his and Donovan's heroics might not be enough to keep 'em competitive.

I would say that fans that show up to a press conference probably aren't your every day average fan and thus probably don't represent the views of the average fan. To let what you think the fans might think dictate anything you do in regards to selecting players is beyond stupid. Who cares if fans boo on draft day? McNabb got booed by Philly fans when he got drafted. How stupid would it have been for the Eagles not to have drafted him because they thought some fringe fans might boo?

Nope. No way. Curry, Stafford and Sanchez are all the wrong picks. Culpepper is serviceable. I know everybody knocks him but he was at this best when he had a tall, fast ridiculous machine for a #1 receiver. See Megatron.

I'm just confused why they HAVE to take a QB #1. I get all the rhetoric but they have another first round choice that they could package if they want to to jump up and grab Sanchez if he falls or reach on Freeman (if he's not already there at 20).

The choice has to be LT. The game is won and lost in the trenches. St. Louis drafted Pace first overall and a few years later won superbowls. Granted they had other pieces but no one can say that Pace wasnt worth it. Yes QB is the most important position in the game but with that shitty line of there's no QB has a chance. Curry doesn't make alot of sense considering all the picks they have and all the talk we have had about "you can get a LB in the later rounds.

I think Stafford and Curry are smoke screens and they take Jason Smith. Safe pick, match him up with last years tackle they took in the first round and you now have book end tackles and a formidable line for years to come. Use the 20th on Freeman or any number of the pass rushers estimated to go late in the first.

That's what I would do. Its also what the Chiefs should do.

For now, Jason Taylor to K.C. is nothing more than a rumor. I think something will likely happen with him and a desperate team after the draft. Right now, teams think they are going to fill all of their holes this weekend. Teams are overly optimistic when it comes to appraising their own ability to draft. His stock will be higher on Monday then it has all offseason.

And Stafford was yelling "Dont pick me!" Boy that would be a choice with no winners.

Zman, I agree. I like Sanchez way, way better, and have said so for months now. I just don't think Detroit does.

I guess you answered my earlier question before I asked it, Adam: Detroit's nonsensical. Apparently the team is an accurate reflection of decision-making in the auto industry.

Any credence to the claim elsewhere on this site that Jason Taylor might end up in KC? That would be interesting, especially if KC gets a monster NT, and Boone, Dorsey, Tyler can play stout 3-4 end.

Heh. I agree with Adam that Stafford doesn't make sense. You want to get some miles out of Calvin Johnson? Solidify your O-Line.

Jamie Dukes came out today talking about Aaron Curry possibly going to Detroit. Not their BEST move, in my opinion, but I like Adam's rationale for a mistake-averse organization.

Why doesn't it occur to anyone that Detroit desperately wants to trade down?

I'm with YOU, Merlin, though, when it comes to Adam's non-sequitur conclusion: Therefore KC takes Crabtree at #3.

In today's NFL (and culture/mindset-of-young-Wrs), I'd rather have the TEAM built, and pick a bunch of later-round prospects at WR for physicality, hands and speed. A #3 pick at WR in a less-than-dominant class has "bust" written all over it.

I HOPE that at least ONE of Detroit/St. Louis does NOT go offensive tackle. That keeps at least one sure-thing upgrade for the KC O-Line in reach. Otherwise, pray some other team gets desperate for Stafford or Sanchez or Curry.

Adam seems to think Albert has answered all questions at left tackle. I think he's borderline, and that there're a couple of almost-certain upgrades in the draft.

After a lifetime of worst-case scenarios, I have to worry about St. Louis and Detroit BOTH doing the smart thing and snatching Monroe and Smith. At that point, the #3 pick looks like Aaron Curry, if we can't trade it away, which would suck, although we'd all prob'ly love him to death.

I LIKE CURRY, BUT INSIDE NOT OUT... IF JOHNSON COULD PLAY INSIDE CURRY SURELY CAN, CURRY IS A TACKLER WHO CAN COVER SOME...

I THINK WE STILL NEED A LEFT TACKLE , AS WATTERS KNOWS HE HAD TO HELP ALBERT FAT HEYY HEYY ALBERT ON HIS JOB

OUCH GUYS

Detroit is in obvious need of a QB unless Culpepper is suddenly rejuvenated but he's not long-term he is next season at best. So if they dont want stafford why not take "Dirty" Sanchez??? Some people around here seem to love him.

We went years without trying to draft a franchise type QB. And at the end of the day us and detroit our in the same boat. No rings in the last 20 years. Cant win big if you dont bet big.

I never said Detroit should take Curry. If I was drafting for Detroit I'd probably pick Mark Sanchez and take the fans wrath for a year or two, but it would be risky (alienating the fans, not so much picking him). So, I might even go with a left tackle, since they don't have one (which we do). That way you could trade up and draft Sanchez later for 50 cents on the dollar prob. They do have another first for ammo, and the 33rd pick as well.

I am not jumping to conclusions at all. I think the Lions, like a lot of teams, have caught the Curry Fever. Just because he's a safe pick doesn't make him a necessarily great one. And I'm not the only one who thinks he's not a pass rusher. Call up Mike Lombardi or Mike Mayock.

This is what I think the Lions will do, not what I would do if I were them. I think I explained both that and that the Lions are nonsensical pretty clearly.

Let me get this straight. Curry to the Chiefs doesn't make sense because, according to you, Curry can't rush the passer and you don't take someone who can't rush the passer that high. But............ you the Detroit should take Curry????? It sounds like you are trying to game the draft to try to force the Chiefs to take Crabtree. The ref throws the flag.... Adam Best has been penalized for gaming the draft. Seriously Adam, you are jumping to conclusions and rationalizing your way back. That just does not work.