Cutler-Orton Trade Reax

How do you know Cutler isn't a good person? How do you know that Cassel is a good person? Nobody here knows. Just because you read an article about a guy or listen to him give an interview, it doesn't mean you know him.

dancing like retards over a guy like cassel?

Ill tell you what, ill just quit posting on any site if cutler beats cassel to the super bowl...Period...not really incentive but...I just dont see it.

Cassel is a great talent, and an even better person, the same cannot be said for cutler, unless you just mention talent.

I find it funny that people think so highly of Cutler...Sorry, hes Jeff George part 2, and hes not a leader, hes a crybaby, with a cannon of an arm...he also is a pick machine, he threw more picks than times sacked last year...

How will he do facing Allen/Kampman/Harris 6X a year combined?

Id take Cassel ANY day over Cutler, and here is why, Cassel cost a 2nd rounder, Cutler cost...WAY too much for a guy who was number 2 in picks last year, and cried when god forbid, a team wants to trade a QB that has a losing record.

Also, Cassel is one of those guys who just loves football, he works after hours, he spends time on film, with his recievers at HIS house, he flew D-Bowe in after saying he was watching tape of em.

Cassel is a hard worker, a Leader, and a community guy. He may not have the arm of Cutler, but he has 50 times the heart, and the clutch gene, as shown against the jets, and on the dropped TD in week 17. Cassel also didnt have a healthy run game like Cutler, and Cassel was sacked and hit far more often...Durability anyone?

Id take a lot of Qb's over Cutler because I believe in having the QB be a respected guy amongst the coaches fans and players...a true leader.

Brain fart. I meant Pro-bowler.

I agree that in the strict sense, they overpaid. But, in terms of doing what they had to do to ensure they won the bidding war for Cutler, I think the price they paid makes sense.

There is a lot of potential to get very good players from two first round draft picks. But, history suggests that it is more likely that Cutler will be a much better player than what the Bears would have turned those picks into. In that sense, which, frankly, is more important, they got an extremely good return.

Whoah, when did Cutler win MVP? Or are you talking about the Most Valuable Broncos QB Award?

I look at it like this: You take all your research, all your scouting and study and interviews regarding a first round pick. Presumably, you're paying these guys a lot of money and they're good at their jobs. You're pretty confident in your brain trust.

Then someone rolls along and says "well, what if we could -guarantee- that your favorite first round pick that you've researched and studied and interviewed would be a successful starter? All it will cost you is a third round pick and ANOTHER first round pick."

Looking at it that way, I think the Bears overpaid. This, even before you consider that Cutler has gone from a great O-line and Marshall/Sheffler/Royal to an average O-line and uh.. Hester/Olson/uh... what's his name...

thebryman, I'll give you one more shot to grasp this. Asking what value the Bears have received from their recent first round picks is NOT, in fact, the same thing as saying those picks are worthless. I ask the question to point out that those first round picks probably aren't as valuable as Crabtree_Michael seemed to think.

Yes, I focus on the Bears, since that is the team giving up the picks. But, like I said, it really applies to every team.

"I don’t think they should have traded the #12 pick, they could get a franchise QB with that pick."

They DID get a franchise QB. Hello?!? You may not have heard. But, when they gave up all of those picks, an MVP QB named Jay Cutler was acquired in return. At this point, I think you might just be putting me on.

By the way, it is the 18th overall this year, not the 12th. Next year, presumably, it will be even lower as they just got a whole lot better.

It's kinda silly for us to be bashing the Bears for being pumped about landing a 25 year old pro-bowl QB, when some of us were dancing around like retards over a guy like Matt Cassel.

Doc,

It does suck having to admit that Rivers is a good quarterback. I can't stand him. He runs his mouth all the time. What I'd really like to see is Vrabel come off the edge next season and knock the cocky out of him. Having said that, he took a huge step last season. With LT struggling they put the offense on his shoulders and he was great. Cutler is pretty cocky as well. Not Rivers cocky, but pretty close. I'm glad the Chiefs don't have to face him twice a season from now on.

I hope last year wasn't a flash in the pan in regards to Cassel. I worry about his arm strength and the fact that he holds the ball way too long. He seems like he has a good attitude, and is a hard worker. And if it doesn't work we only gave up a second round pick.

It's entirely possible that Orton could be a serviceable QB for Denver. I, like Kim from Predominantly Orange, don't think they should draft Stafford or Sanchez. They need the help more on defense. Besides, Stafford most likely wouldn't be available to Denver, and they shouldn't draft Sanchez if he's there - past experience shows that QBs with little college starting experience rarely become long-term NFL starters.

Oh and don't forget about Warner. I know he is old, but the guy can play QB. If he had a great D, he'd have two superbowls instead of Big Ben.

dbk... doesn't it suck having to admit that Rivers is an awefully good QB? I really, really, really, really, really, can't stand the guy and I'm normally pretty easy going too. I really hope Cassel continues to grow because I hate the thought of Rivers being "the best" QB in the AFC west.

Ben has two Super Bowls in large part due to the Steelers having a stellar defense. He led them to the game winning drive this year, but he was terrible in the first Super Bowl. Eli is pretty mediocre. Ryan looks like he is going to be special. Saying you'd rather have Cassel over Rivers is you being a homer. Cassel isn't in the same league as Rivers. You should also notice that I was able to disagree with you without being disrespectful. Take that stuff to the ESPN message boards.

dbk301 "The best two young quarterbacks in the NFL are Cutler and Rivers. I’d rather have them over Cassel"

By far the dumbest comments ive ever seen in my life. Have you ever heard of a guy name Ben Roethlisberger whom was drafted in the same draft as your boy Rivers and has two superbowl rings I repeat Two. Rivers and Cutler are mediocre at best they are not winners. I would rather have Big ben,Eli Manning,Matt Ryan,Matt Cassell. Those are the best young quarterbacks in the NFL. Rivers is one of the top three QB's drafted in 04' draft and the worst Eli's won a superbowl and so has Ben. And they don't have an MVP on there team like Rivers does and all that talent in a bad division. As for Cutler he is thigpen with three years of experience.

bfos7215:

I can't figure out a way to interpert what you wrote other than that first round picks by the Chicago Bears have no value. It doesn't say that all NFL teams haven't really gotten anything out of their first round picks, it just says the Bears.

Thanks for telling me how the draft works. All this time I thought every first round pick was a future hall of famer.

Based on the value of a previous #11 selection in the past, I don't think they should have traded the #12 pick, they could get a franchise QB with that pick.

Ive never coached QB's but id imagine its easier to train/teach a guy to throw the ball away instead of taking a sack versus making dumb throws at times like cutler did

I know Cassell had issues at times getting the ball out. Some guys just have problems with taking too many sacks. Huard is a great example. But, like I said, I'm not sure how much blame to put on Cassell vs their O-line. Although, that has always been a very highly thought off O-line in NE.

rdoris,

Cassel was sacked 47 times last year. I'd say he has already been in a situation where he hasn't had good pass protection.

So thinking Rivers and Cutler are the best young quarterbacks is a ridiculous statement because Ryan had a winning season as a rookie? Orton had a winning season as a rookie with the Bears and Flacco had a winning season as well. Does that make them great young quarterbacks? I guess going by your theory they are better than Rivers and Cutler.

Yes, thebryman, because that's exactly what I said. By saying the Bears haven't netted much with their first round picks recently, that obviously means that first round picks aren't important.

But, hey, it's not just the Bears. Almost every team has plenty of first round selections that didn't turn out to be impact players. That's how the draft works. Even first round picks aren't locks.

The only way you establish the value of those picks is by evaluating the talent acquired with those kinds of picks in the past.

Keep up the solid work, though.

Yes, the Bears probably over-paid in a strict sense. However, they had to in order to make sure they got him. Otherwise, not only do they not get him. But, he goes to another NFC team. Possibly, another NFC North team. But, of course they were going to "overpay" for a 25-year-old Pro Bowl QB. Besides, what have the Bears got out of their first round picks recently, anyways?

Two firsts, a third, and Orton for Cutler and a fifth? I thought our trade was lopsided. Those silly Bears gave Denver way too many picks.

The best two young quarterbacks in the NFL are Cutler and Rivers. I'd rather have them over Cassel.

Yes, I'd want those three because they are that good. Even if they are older. I don't particularly like Cutler's attitude. But, as long as he's not running over people drunk, that's hardly an issue for me.

Here's a great article I found that kind of breaks this exact discussion down: http://www.pro-football-reference.com/blog/?p=1724

you'd want three guys, arguably ALL at or just past their prime to 'build for the future'?

I'd want a YOUNG QB with great physical tools and, by all accounts (and Pioli should know) great CHARACTER too...if I were trying to build for the future, NONE of the four QB's you mentioned would be on my list; Peyton, Brady and Brees because of their age, and Cutler because of his attitude...I'd want Matt Cassell...and it was BECAUSE McDonkey coveted Cassell that Denver has Kyle Orton and Chris Simms 'duking it out' for the starting job...

awesome

Peyton, Brady, and Brees are the only three QB's I'd want over Cutler if I were trying to build for the future. To have opportunity to get that in a trade has to be unprecedented.