Chiefs/Pats, Part Deux. Trading Down

happym:

Welcome to AA. I hope you enjoy the fun here. Assume we are going to a 3-4 (fairly likely at this point) how you evaluate guys like Tank and Dorsey determines if you try for a DE or a NT. Personally, I think Tank would be a NT and Dorsey a DE. That's just my speculation. Rodgers from Cleveland is someone I would look at for the NT position. I like Brooks and wanted him before we traded for Vrabel. You could bring Brooks in, draft Curry then play Curry and Vrabel or DJ inside. I would be tempted to bring in someone that's more of a true ILB/MLB type. I had my eye on Takeo Spikes, but he resigned. This is a very, very interesting offseason and as MB mentioned, the variables are many.

Ouch! Merlin no stranger to sarcasm I see

MB:

I hear you. I do think you are missing out on an opportunity here. If you put out blueprints, not just one, but several with different moves in them. Then you can pat yourself on the back when something happens in any of your blueprints.

Couple of things...

I don't think it would be a good idea to trade our #3 for those 4 picks.

I think it would be a better idea to trade up our 3rd & 4th pick for an Unger or a Cushing.

I also think this off season is so unpredictable that I find it hard to offer an opinion. Every move by Pioli changes the game plan. Which I love. Which is also why there hasn't been a MasterBlaster's Master Plan update. Too many variables right now. Which, again, has been a very good thing.

Right now I'm struggling with taking Curry or Crabtree. And, a trade down for someone wanting Crabtree for a Malaluga and a cushing/mack is still not off the table.

Although, after heavy deliberation, I think buying T.J. or Nate Washington and drafting Curry might be the smartest play.

Why the hell did we resign Darling and Webb? Especially Webb???

I'm a poker player, and I think Pioli is one hell of a poker player, when it comes to selecting players. I think Pioli is being a cool customer letting day 3 and day 4 slip by without a move. Let player values drop, then move in. It was said in a previous post. We HAVE to buy more players to meet the cap minimum.

In Pioli we trust.

Nice read but as so many others have said, Not gonna happen. I no it's not popular but i think fix the O-line through FA before you start scoping Housh. The quality pieces have quickly begun to evaporate (freakin Rams getting Brown still pisses me off) but there is still upgrades at tackle out there. I'm still stuck to Curry at 3 but still a lot of days between now and late August. Either way, I say Rejoice my brethren. If you had told me on Thursday night, that come Monday morning we would have Cassel, Vrabel, and our #3 I would have said keep dreaming. That's a Hell of a good weekend. And the big cherry on this sundae? How about a pissed off Jay Cutler and a 8 game suspension for Brandon Marshall. Enjoy your off season Donkey's!!!

Oh, and is it me or is Musket Fire a weak name for a sports blog? It sounds like some kind of cheap cologne from Wal-Mart you would get as a stocking stuffer from your Mom. Just sayin

The Chiefs would be foolish not to consider Housh and/or Washington. I guess they enjoy the current production of Franklin, Bradley, Darling and Webb? All in all, we have to give Cassell some weapons to work with, since there have been no upgrades to the O-line.

Housh ya mama isn't even on the Chiefs radar, which is surprising to me considering we have Haley. It seems like thay bubble will burst within 48 hours as well as most of the others I wanted.

Let's not forget that Houshmandzadeh is still a viable option here....DBowe, Tony G and Housh-ya-mama would be a great core. I think the best option here is for the Chiefs to stay at the #3 spot and get Curry. He is an absolute stud and would anchor the LBs for years to come. Although, I wouldn't rule out Raji with this pick either, we're missing a key ingredient of the 3-4...nose-tackle!

I agree. Never going to happen. Besides, who's to say they're not already the favorite. Aside, from Pitt, who generally take a step back after big seasons, who is their competion in the AFC? BB is too smart to give up all of that for crabtree. That's an Al Davis move.

Essentially our first round pick (#3) for Matt Cassel AND Mark Vrabel AND thier first round (#23), AND their two second round picks (#47 & 58).

Not gonna happen.

My hopes was to get Cassel and then Crabtree at 3. We're halfway there. Bowe, Cassel, Crabtree... that trio will leave it's mark in Chiefs history.

I still think the smart move would be to get Curry though. It wouldn't be as sexy but it's a bigger need. But I can't help but think that if we pass on Crabtree we're passing up on the future Moss/Owens/Andre Johnson.

Interesting theory, but if they didn't want a #3 for Cassel, why would they trade all those picks for it now? That doesn't make sense to me. We give them a #34 pick for Cassel and Vrabel and then they give it back to us along with 3 other top 50 picks for our #3? The way some of the Pats fans are hollering about the Cassel/Vrabel deal, I can't see them doing this. If they would have been inclined to do this, wouldn't they have just packaged it in one big deal up front?
I mean it would have looked a little bit better for BB if he had made the MC/MV and 3 picks trade for our first and second round picks. That didn't happen, so I can't see anything like this idea happening now.

Tony Richardson signed with the Jets for another year....so.....

Im all for the deal
..saw tony richardson in allen fieldhouse today
Coincidence i think not
but i heard he was resigned but it was good to see him in kc

kruger:

that might just seal the deal!

I'm not sure anything that starts with the Patriots trading up to the #3 spot (and the salary that goes with it) for a wide receiver is possible---not happening.

I like the idea in general, but can you imagine the hysteria that Jay Marriotti would exhibit? It would be worse than Henry Waxman a sidearm!

10 is available and he wore that at USC. That's as good of a guess as any.

Yea, by the same token though his miles come against NFL teams...So it is instantly more safe than anything you will find in the draft...

10 yrs would be awesome...

What number you people think he will go with? Primetime on AP for some reason guessed 19, which I disagree with...

Probly 10 or something...

An interesting note about Cassel is that he has less game miles on him than Stafford, and about the same as Sanchez. Some might see that as a negative, but I see a guy who can play for the Chiefs for the next 10 years.

After signing Fred Taylor and cutting their cap, no way the Pats take on L.J. The only vet they'd want from us is Tony G, and I have a feeling Haley wants to hold on to him.

The other thing is that these guys have egos. I doubt Pioli wants to admit he is wrong on Maroney, or even thinks he is. He might want to give him a shot in K.C. Looks like the Pats are willing to move on, especially with all the money they have spent on other backs. I bet we could get him for a conditional pick (high as a fourth, low as a seventh, based on performance).

Also, keep in mind that we still HAVE to sign free agents to meet salary cap requirements.

Adam:

I heard those rumors about the Pats turning down #3. Who knows what to make of it. It could be true or it could be specuation trying to figure out how we kept #3. With the way these organization talk, we may never know. We have so many holes on O-line and D7 this trade makes a lot of sense to me. Maroney for LJ? Would you do that? Maroney is so banged up for a young player and LJ has such a 'tude. I might like LJ better there. At least he is availble, court cases aside.

The only thing is, there was a rumor out there that the Pats rejected the No. 3 pick due to cap constraints. No clue if it is true or not. Not sure anybody outside of the two brain trusts really knows.

And since we've doubled down on offense and the passing game with Matt Cassel and Todd Haley, doesn't bringing in Michael Crabtree make more since than ever? Especially now that he is going to be ready for training camp?

I really like Unger, though, but I hear Laurinatis has a bad attitude. That could explain why he has plummeted.

Good thinking outside the box. I'm sure these two teams could do business again. Jarvis Green, maybe? Laurence Maroney? Both make sense to me.

DEAL!