Jon Gruden Nails It

no comment to all my haters....u all will see when the chiefs go 10 6 and when the division .with a new qb and a new d......and baldy go back to school

Not sure if anyone saw this or not, but I don't think Crabtree is even being considered by the Chiefs. From NFL.com:

"One general manager told me it will make no difference in his evaluation of Crabtree, but another GM said he wouldn't risk a top-three pick on a wide receiver with a foot injury."

KCFan

Driving home yesterday ESPN Radio reported that the only throws that his throwing session was only average. I've read several things in regards to his throwing session that said he was okay, but nothing great in that session. When I got home I read this on SI. I'm sure his interview was probably great. He is well spoken. However, I don't want any part of a quarterback at number three that isn't the total package. Last time I checked having a strong accurate arm was part of the total package.

Here is what Don Banks from SI had to say:

In a draft class heavy with junior quarterbacks at the top, it was White who generated the most buzz Sunday. Not USC's Mark Sanchez, who was decent but far from spectacular

Southern Cal's Sanchez did nothing to make anyone believe he's top 10 material at this point. He struggled quite a bit on passes he threw outside the numbers, near the sidelines, and only looked great on slant patterns. I expect any potential chatter about Sanchez being a real option for the Lions at No. 1 to all but evaporate unless he has a boffo pro day workout next month.

Also, why didn't Stafford throw at the combine? I don't think there is any excuse for not competing at the event you were invited to unless your injured. I can't see how that rubs off well on any coach or GM. Even Pioli the Almighty said so himself.

Eric knows what he is talking about, he just can't put it into words or write well :).

And I agree with KCFan. When I read what DBK wrote, I about fell out of my chair.

The scouts at the combine said Sanchez was accurate and so far it sounds like he is interviewing much better than Stafford. He has demonstrated great leadership skills and has a good head on his shoulders. Anybody saying Stafford is better at this point is going off of what they heard thoughout the college season. As far as I'm concerned, Stafford has that big arm everybody loves, but he is inconsistent and wild, and threw a lot of picks.

yeah eric that was a little choppy...sounds like you don't know anything about football...

"dbk301 Says:

We do need a quarterback, but unless Stafford is there at 3 we need to wait until later in the draft. Sanchez’s performance at the combine was not very good. Several different media outlets have said he has assured himself that he won’t be a top ten pick after how poorly he threw."

WTF are you talking about? Did you just make that up? ESPN reports today on how well Sanchez performed in the combine and how much stock he gained in the draft and how much it hurt Stafford to not throw in the combine.

Oh eric my, my. Sounds like we have a bromance! Now I know Sanchez is dreamy and all but starting one year as a junior does not a franchise QB make. Two knee injuries in one year, we've seen what that gets us. Recent USC QB's...not impressed including Cassel who by the way until this year hadnt started a game since high school? Put Cassel with any team other than the Pat's last year and he looks like Pigpen in the Falcons game.

Maybe I'm not an NFL guru, but I do know I dont need advice from someone who puts NBA non sense on an NFL chat board.

by the way..i agree with baldy..thigpen wasnt that bad..for his first year starting..heck look at favre's, elways..., and aikman's first years..thiggy's numbers are better..!...DON'T GET A QB...!

then get one of the 10 good linebackers in the draft in the second round...

bottom line ...we need a pass rush..other bottom line..no one good enough to waste a 3rd pick on...bottom line..get a O line...men....bottom line...sure up d end through free agency or trade lj...for a later pick...

Alright 447, fine I will admit Tyler Thigpen is not Tom Brady or Peyton Manning, Brees or any of the other elite QB's. All I am saying is when you look at the stats they are pretty similar and if you want to nit pick then feel free. Completion %, really its within 9% with four less games played so really who knows. With those extra four games maybe he bridges the gap. And the QB rating, really is that an accurate system? The top # you can get is what 158 or something like that? That seems like a barometer of accuracy to me. Either way I'm just comparing the two. Maybe in the extra four games the stats bridge that gap or maybe they swing the other way. All this is is a statistical comparison and most are comparible. Maybe some statistical genius could forecast what Tyler's year wouldve looked like if he'd started as many as Matt (15) I'm not that guy. Either way, yes he's not elite but he's worth not giving up draft picks that we desperately need (for Matt) or drafting with #3 overall. Yes we need to groom someone but not someone with #3 overall.

ok baldy,it is clear u do not know a thing about football.shancez is good,theres a reason hes rated so high.and you people need to get off the fact that he did not play that much in college,cassel did not play that much in college.its not always about the stats its about whats inside a man.sanchez has the drive leadership and moxy.another thing u people go on and bout oh 010 is the yr to draft a qb beside mccoy and bradford there is nothing and anyway if the chiefs were to pick one of them next yr they would have to be 2-14 again ,which they are not going to be.and if we do get cassel hes better than anything we have now,which he hardly ever played in college,wake up its college not the pros!hell jordan was not even the best player at carolina and he was the best player in the nba.thigpen,croyle,huard,are all just average at best.most super bowl qbs are drafted high,so if we were to draft sanchez at 3 ,no it would not ba a wasted pick,hes more ready than stafford whos just a punk kid.point is most of u people are used to the peterson mold of doing things settling for average no talent well those days are gone.just some of you people need to understand football and talent before u go off at the mouth like an immature kid.and croyle,thigpen ,huard will not even be playing in kc as a starter next year.

If you're drafting in the top 5 you have bigger problems than just quarterback problems. Given the choices I say we go after other key positions in the draft, fill with FA picks and see how Thiggy does with a DECENT COACHING STAFF and some more key players.

Flaco and Ryan were both 5th year Seniors when they came out of college. BOTH had superior talent around them and performed well under a huge learning curve. Defense and a running game supported their development. The Chiefs have neither.

I say use Thigpen this year, Draft Curry with the #3 and get the best available offensive linemen in the second. We need to build inside out starting at the line and until that issue is addressed there is no running game and we will need a mobile QB. I know there are the Sanchez fans out there. I watched his workout at the combine and he did very well. BUT he is young, immature and is at best a 2 year project.

Also, I saw the Pioli interview on NFL network and this guy said a lot without saying anything. he is keeping his cards close to the chest and I expect nobody will have a clue on his move until draft day and wouldn't be surprised to see a couple trades done. He is a fan of accumulating picks.

Finally, LOTS of good RB's out there. Good times, healthy and if our scouts are worth their salt they have a couple who are going unnoticed.

I dont think that anyone would say that thigpen is a franchise type QB but i dont see the saints winning too many games with brees the texans traded for schaub and hes been decent but doesnt seem to be what they thought derek anderson had a terrible season(so is he worthy of a trade?) which brings me to what cassle could be, a one year wonder throwing to moss and welker. lets bulk up our d and fix the o-line first. Remember Trent Dilfer has a RING!!!

Ok, my bad. He has a strong arm (maybe more than Cassel, maybe not) When you hear scouts say a QB can "make all the throws", they're not talking about Thiggy. He is not precise and cannot put any touch on the ball. QB's whose strongest attribute is a "strong arm" are the most overrated, typical bust QB's. I still wanna know what offense we play if Thiggy is the QB.

Baldy, your stat line above doesn't really help his case in my opinion. The drastic difference in completion percentage and QB rating tells the story for me. Thigpen threw the ball so damn much that of course he put up numbers. And the second half of every game was terrible. Defenders adjusted to his play and our spread offense, and shut us down. Again, if he CAN'T play well in a pro style offense (that will allow us to run a balanced offense) then he will never be the answer. Period.

How can anyone with a functioning frontal lobe seriously think that replacing Thiggy is our #1 off-season priority? I'm not suggesting that Thiggy is the future of the franchise. But considering what he was given to work with last season, he at least deserves firm consideration. Our inability to run the ball whatsoever, our pathetic excuse for tackling, and a complete lack of half-time adjustments were the catalysts for last seasons failure. Those will not be fixed by replacing Thiggy. An aggressive and sustained commitment to fixing this defense is what must be the Chiefs top priority. Period.

Over the course of the season Thigpen got better whether the offense was the main reason or he began to feel more comfortable and i feel we need to try to ride him for 1 more season. To draft one of this years QB's at 3 is not a good idea. There isnt a QB worth that in my opinion not even Stafford. We have too many other holes to fill that could ruin a young QB i.e. David Carr. Lets get hopefully either smith at LT and move Albert inside where he would be a true mawler or Curry

Re: the Atlanta game - Atl DE Abraham was quoted as saying that Albert was giving away the plays by the way he was setting his feet in his stance. Abraham had a career high 11 tackles, 1 and 1/2 sacks and a forced fumble. I like Albert and Thigpen. Both got better as the season went along.

All stats from NFL.com, just to clarify this is Matt Cassel vs. Tyler

Here ya go, remember 4 less games and inferior supporting cast:

Games Started: MC- 15 TT-11

Comp. % 63.4 54.8
TD: Passing/Rushing 21/2 18/3
Int. 11 12
Fumbles lost 4 2
Passing yds 3693: 2608:
Arm Strength Long- 76, 40+:6 Long-75, 40+: 4
Rushing yds 270 362
Sacks 47 26
QB rating 89 76

Over on Arrowhead Pride they have what the scouts said about Thigpen coming out. Very accurate and exactly what we saw last year.

OK so maybe he doesnt have elite arm strength or typical size blah blah. His intangibles remind me of Brees. Maybe not the arm strength or accuracy but people lets remember Thigpen was essentially a rookie last year. Just like Cassell but Cassell's supporting cast, coaching and front office is obviously superior and their numbers were very similar. Tony G, D Bowe and Larry Johnson are not R. Moss, W. Welker and whatever scrub they put in the backfield. So he's a poor mans Cassell. I would just hate for us to give up on our next version of R. Gannon vs. E. Grbac.

So maybe he's not polished. I get it. But I believe he earned the right to start next year and has given us the ability to address our bigger needs at #3.

Latest reports has St. Louis being very interested in A. Curry. So once again they will probably screw us.

Chiefs fans, I am not as versed in the issues of who should be drafted or not. However, I do have opinions. First, let us shore up the defense. I don't believe that offense is our problem. I am not sold on the quarterbacks in this draft. Let us upgrade the "D". Let me also throw this out there. How about Jeff Garcia? Kind of like Thiggy. Just a thought.

We do need a quarterback, but unless Stafford is there at 3 we need to wait until later in the draft. Sanchez's performance at the combine was not very good. Several different media outlets have said he has assured himself that he won't be a top ten pick after how poorly he threw. I'd like the Chiefs to draft Curry in round one, best available offensive lineman in round two, and maybe take a look at Nate Davis in round three. Rhett Bomar in round four might be worth a shot as well.

BTW.......The KC Star has a really good story about Aaron Curry in today's paper. You should check it out. He seems to be a very impressive young man.

Chiefs 447, you are a little off base with your comment "Thigpen lacks arm strength". Numerous scouting reports talk about his very strong arm. He does struggle throwing the deep ball at times (especially in rough weather) but that is not an arm strength issue, it's an accuracy/touch issue. Time and time again Thigpen drilled the ball into Tony's hands in VERY tight passing windows. That is how you measure NFL arm strength. His deep ball accuracy can improve with more time with the offense and receivers and general experience, although he will never have elite deep ball skills IMHO.

Thiggy in '09!!

I really don't care what offense they ran, Thigpen preformed well under all the circumstances. Elway in his prime wouldn't have done much better. NO RUNNING GAME,NO DEFENSE,HOLES IN THE O LINE,SPECIAL TEAMS WERE BAD,BAD COACH,BAD GM. One reason our offense couldn't run a NFL offense was LJ. He can't/doesn't want to block.

He is a gritty guy that will play in this league for years. I don't understand what games people were watching. He has all (arm Strength is fine) the tools, he was just a rookie on an awful team

Tyler Thigpen has more arm strength than Matt Cassell. Crazy.

people...lol

we have far worse poss. that were played last year than QB
we have way bigger needs than QB.

to me the biggest poss. was a pass rushing end...
(forget allen)...they need a rushing end...

they need O-linemen...

we need a second wideout... but not that badly this year, it could wait.

our team will get a ton better if they draft

1 o-line
2 pass rushing end
3 a linebacker, actually a couple of them.

drafting those three spots in that order will improve this team DRAMATICALLY.

we have stars on this team... we still need the other players of the team

There are several reasons I wouldn't go with Thigpen. He has a long way to go to be an NFL QB. He lacks arm strength and more importantly accuracy. His completion percentage was horrendous. He is a great scrambler, but he constantly pulls the ball down way too early and never keeps his head up to make a throw. He gets flushed out of the pocket, can't keep track of receivers, and makes dumb decisions. You can read the kid like a book cause he stares down recievers all day. Not to mention we designed an entirely new offense just so he could survive. Remember Atlanta? That was his only game in an NFL offense and how did it work out? He can't read coverages or blitzes near as effectively from under center.

We need to be able to run the football as well and you can't in the spread. We gave up so many leads late in the game because we couldn't control the clock by running the ball. We had more quick three and outs because he couldn't complete a pass, while, maybe, two minutes would run off the clock.

I don't know, maybe he'll adjust and be something, but I don't see it. He was basically a rookie, and with the experience, maybe he could turn it around. The teams that are great over several years are the ones with stability at QB. You don't draft in the top five often (hopefully). I think you take the chance with a QB. I like Sanchez more than Bradford, McCoy, and Stafford. He's more accurate that Stafford and he played in a pro offense.

I'm with you baldy. Thiggy did just fine. If he had some help besides TG, what a difference it would have made. I can't count the last game, most of the team wasn't in their right mind. Other than that Thiggy didn't lose us games, our defense did the losing.

I say get rid rid of Brokie, Clipboard, and the Ghost. Bring in Simms and Utah's B. Johnson undrafted. Use the draft to build the core of the team. Losman wouldn't be a bad choice either. They could help Thiggy and Johnson.

We need LBs and linemen. Our defense was second to last above only the Lions last year. Doesn't that bother anybody? 10 sacks for the season was not just a new record NFL low, it was almost half the previous record. We need a little on offense, but our big need is defense. Get the O-Line some help (FA), stick a cattle prod behind LJ, put a recievers coach on Bowe, and pick up some badass defenders.

Finally I want someone to post why we shouldnt go with Thigpen this year. Statistically what free agent Matt Cassell included could we bring in that had a better year than Thigpen. And also why draft Stafford or Sanchez when Thigpen and Cassell are what 26? I want an honest argument. There it is I drew the line, lets do battle.

In response to Javon Walker, we all said it last year, Oakland was wasting money, just amazing to see how fast guys take money and leave town in Oakland...Even Moss didnt perform well there, then leaves and instantly is back to pro bowl form...Id take a look at Wilson to pair with Pollard if Page is going to be gone.

You need a team around you, notice Flacco had a defense, and a power run game, notice Ryan had a run game with Turner, and an improved D, and his numbers werent that much better than Thiggy's....

Seriously, listening to Gruden on Qb's? I respect the man, but hes better with Vets than he in developing a QB...Can even question his drafting

dungy HANDED him a super bowl team, sure he handed a raider SB team over as well, but cmon, Caddy Williams, Michael Clayton...he has busted with top picks RECENTLY...Gaines Adams, good player, 4th best in that draft? No.

(Note: Apparently that cap hit number is not accurate...NFLN reported it incorrectly so dont blame me...)

Ha...good news everyone....Oakland is going to cut Javon Walker...which you have probably heard....you probably haven't heard that it will result in 14 million against their cap...my word...

I actually have been very impressed with Sanchez and I was a HUGE critic of him all season and early offseason....

We shouldnt take him at 3 but I think he will be a good if not great QB in a few years...

447 your acting crazy. Sanchez sucks we all know it thats why he came out this year. If he comes out next year he is a late 2nd rounder easy. And Losman, OK so with what your saying we would have Thigpen, Sanchez, Losman, Huard and Croyle. Not to mention Gray and Ingle. After reading this last sentence I dont like any of it...except for pigpen.

I think stay pat with Curry or OL at #3. Best avialable at #34. Then that's right ladies and gentlemen Pat White or Jared Cook in the 3rd. I think Pat White can do some damage in this league.

I know I sound crazy

Wow Adam, I heard him say the same thing but I thought the exact opposite of you lol...

I disagreed and even winced at Gruden's comment because it wasn't accurate and I thought he was reaching to make a point that wasn't there simply because he was on TV and he isn't used to it.

no need to sign lossman, because we already have a similar guy in thiggy.

I've wanted a QB since the season ended. If its not Cassel, I think we draft Sanchez and bring in Lossman or someone similar. Open the competition up in camp and see what happens.

Jon Gruden is a douchebag.

Thiggy in '09!

Brief and to to the point. We are more than an average QB away from the bowl.

How is that true masterblaster. Other than Sam Bradford, and Colt McCoy, who is going to be a good choice next year. If we want Bradford we will most likely have to be picking top 5 and i really hope we aren't. This class will be just as bad aas next years class.

Adam, its like this...

Geting a Draft QB in 09....Bad

Geting a Draft QB in 10....Good