AADQ: O Romeo, O Romeo

by AADQ

If we are indeed shifting to a 3-4 defense, and we haven’t officially hired a defensive coordinator…then Scott Pioli bringing in his old buddy Romeo Crennel to be the Chiefs’ new D.C. is still a possibility, right? When thinking about the 3-4 and Romeo, several questions come to mind:

  • What will we do with Glenn Dorsey? Can he bulk up and play the nose position? Is he even tall enough to be an effective 3-4 defensive lineman at any position?
  • Would we be interested in Albert Haynesworth, as it looks like he will be available?
  • Julius Peppers. Would he be interested in us and vice versa? It doesn’t look like we are currently one of his four preferred destinations.
  • Would Crennel even want the job?
  • If Crennel doesn’t end up being our D.C., can Clancy Pendergast and Gary Gibbs, two D-coordinators who never ran the 3-4, install it successfully?

There’s certainly a lot to ponder when it comes to both the rumored 3-4 switch and the TBD D.C. situation, so…

Addicts, sound off on the 3-4 and Romeo Rumors…

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So far, Haley is non-committal on the 3-4 and says it's too early to say because they are still evaluating personnel. If we implement it this season, I think it would have to be regarded as a transitional, piece-wise approach that would take at least 2 seasons to complete because of personnel limitations

Assuming we do switch to a 3-4, of which I am very skeptical, I see Tank Tyler initially playing NT with Edwards and Dorsey flanking him and Boone, Edwards, and perhaps McBride rotating in. As far as McBride is concerned, I see him as the first casualty of a 3-4 and would not at all be surprised to see him as an early candidate for the trading block. At LB, I'd have Hali as Jack, DJ as Will, Curry (assuming we draft him) as Mike, and then for Sam, either draft the best one you get in the 2nd round or do whatever it takes to get Peppers. Regarding Curry as MLB, most scouts I've read see him fitting very well in that role (i.e., under a 3-4 scheme).

Alternatively, if we went with a guy like BJ Raji to play NT, we could then put Edwards at LDE, Dorsey at RDE, and have Boone, McBride, and Tyler rotate in. The leaves you with the same situation as above wrt what to do about LBs (but without Curry as an option).

That should take care of year 1. Subject to how each of these guys performed in their new roles, year 2 would with little doubt bring about additional change.

Woody.

My vision is we draft Curry in the first and Michael Johnson in the second.

Play Curry Inside or Out, DJ inside or out, and M-J on the other outside. We can play DJ on the inside, have 2 fantastic young blitzing OLBs and bring in Crowder/Peterson/Boimen to play the other inside role. That would be awesome. The speed of our linebackers would be phenomenal. With our secondary, our defense would be a serious force.

I dont know where you guys are getting the Curry as MLB idea...I have heard noone say anything about him playing that position in the NFL. Mayock has him listed as OLB. Kiper's description of him: "Curry has the blend of height, weight and speed and NFL teams covet at the outside linebacker position"

I am sure he can....but we don't ideally want him there...

Regarding Curry, a common theme among analysts is his versatility in being able to play any LB position in any system.
Draft.com says
"He could play outside or inside in either a 4-3 or 3-4 and is at the top of this draft class at his position."
Draft Countdown says,
"Could play outside or inside in either a 4-3 or 3-4 defensive scheme...A marvelous all-around player..."
The Scouts Notebook says,
"Top LB in the draft. Can do it all. Can play in a 3-4 or 4-3. Can play ILB or OLB."
Football's Future says,
"Curry’s all around skills should allow him to fill a void in any teams defense, whether it is a 4-3 or 3-4 unit."
Walter Football says,
"Aaron Curry will be best at strongside linebacker in the 4-3 or inside linebacker in the 3-4"
and elsewhere says,
"Extreme versatility to play 4-3 SAM and 4-3 or 3-4 ILB, but can also occasionally play 3-4 OLB."

Crennell would be an amazing addition to an already stacked staff. Haynesworth is not an area of neccessity. If we are switching to the 3-4 then LB is definately now more than ever an area a need. We would need to sign/draft at minimum 3 LB's. Couple of names to think about...
Channing Crowder - Miami - pratically ran Zach Thomas out of town and played in the 3-4 and is really young.
Jonathan Vilma - has played in a 3-4 and is coming from Gibbs defense in New Orleans
Mike Peterson - just a great player that we could get for a deep discount

and we need to resign Rocky Boiman. Yes I said it! We are forgetting that he played in the 3-4 for New England in there season of perfection and he would be really really cheap.

And if the news that we are switching to the 3-4 is indeed confirmed we can all kiss Crabtree goodbye because there is no way that we will not take Curry then.

This is so much fun! Finally something to talk about during the offseason with the Chiefs!

Tim: Curry is projected OLB and is not considered a pro MLB by many...That is not to say he COULDNT play it...but that he likely won't

jono:
I like your call for Crowder, he is someone we will look at I think. But the others I dont think are very likely. Vilma is possible if we go 4-3. You have to remember, the reason he was traded from the Jets to begin with was that he didn't fit their 3-4. Also, I dont disagree that we should resign Rocky, but he was not a linebacker with New England, he was with the Colts during their Super Bowl year.

I think Pioli will take Curry or the best OL available....

i have to admit, switching to 3-4 gives me a good feeling inside. The blitz is so important and will make the entire team look better. It would be great to see what DJ could do as a rushing OLB. Ive said it many times before. If we just use him as a rushing OLB he will put up pro ball numbers.

As for Dorsey, I think he could easily play NT or DE in a 3-4 system. All the D-line need to do in a 3-4 is absorb blockers allowing the LBs freedom to work. Dorssey is always facing double teams in the 4-3 so 3-4 wont make a differance. (Personally, I disagree with the way we use dorsey, i think he should be a single gap rushing DT rather than a double gap absorbtion machine. We should use tank to absorb and let dorsey rush) Draft Curry to play MLB, and DJ + Free agents/draft picks and that would make for a feirce front seven.

“I will say that some of the players we have here defensively from what I’ve seen offer some flexibility. (Glenn) Dorsey is a good enough athlete to have some versatility. He could play either system.”

-Todd Haley

Perhaps he stays Mr. Crennel and does not become a coach. He teaches Coaches Gibbs and Pendergast the intricacies of the 3-4. Players are added or dropped based on their fit with the systems the coaches and Mr. Crennel implement.

I just don't know right now what player moves would be right for the team.

maybe not a second but definitely a 3rd

A 2nd or a 3rd for Hali... you are dreaming. Not a chance unless you think the Vikings would bite if we told them how much better JA makes him.

now it's a triple post..Baldy

If....we switched to a 3-4, and I were Pioli, I would trade Tamba Hali, I don't think he fits and excluding this year he has had a decent career even though its not real long. I think we could get a 3rd or maybe a 2nd for him.

I have been a big advocate for bringing in some big name talent but after taking some time to think about it when I look at the Miami team from last year (whether a fluke or not) the Patriots or the Steelers I think I'd rather have people that want to be here and buy in rather than get paid and experiment. Now I'm not saying they are not huge talents I'm just saying they are bigger risks than I'm willing to take right now.

Haynesworth: Dont trust him basically plays when he wants too.

Peppers: Huge talent but what if he turns into Pioli's Kendrell Bell. AHHHHH

I think Scott and Crowder would be a good fit.

My last question and I think is a very serious one is what the F$#K do we do with Dorsey. Seriously? Can we move him to DE if he cannot play NT. If not that is a huge bust for us. This is very bothering. Hali I'm fine with calling a spade a bust but Dorsey...ouch.

At this point to salvage Dorsey I think you have to stay in a 4-3

I think this is a too be continued question on the 3-4

I hate to say it but if I was Haynesworth or Peppers I wouldn't play for us..due to us not being a great team yet

I don't know if I even want those guy anyways cause they seem like assholes. They act like they can do what ever and say what ever they want...I want players that put on the hard hat and shut the F-up and work!!!!

I don't want Haynesworth. We have already invested a ton of money in the DT position in Dorsey. He also didn't do squat until last year when his contract was up and this year when he was playing on a franchise tag. Peppers wants to play OLB in a 3-4 scheme. Do we really want to be the team that lets him experiment? I think this team has too many needs to blow so much money on one player.

I have been a big advocate for bringing in some big name talent but after taking some time to think about it when I look at the Miami team from last year (whether a fluke or not) the Patriots or the Steelers I think I'd rather have people that want to be here and buy in rather than get paid and experiment. Now I'm not saying they are not huge talents I'm just saying they are bigger risks than I'm willing to take right now.

Haynesworth: Dont trust him basically plays when he wants too.

Peppers: Huge talent but what if he turns into Pioli's Kendrell Bell. AHHHHH

I think Scott and Crowder would be a good fit.

My last question and I think is a very serious one is what the F$#K do we do with Dorsey. Seriously? Can we move him to DE if he cannot play NT. If not that is a huge bust for us. This is very bothering. Hali I'm fine with calling a spade a bust but Dorsey...ouch.

Sorry for the double post.

Yeah I'm a little concerned about the Dorsey situation. However, I think Pioli is considering how to utilize this guy optimally and the 3-4 switch is rumor at this point. We don't even know who the DC actually is (we would love to have Romeo, or at least I would). The 3-4 is becoming more and more a hybrid scheme with guys lining up at various spots to keep the O honest and guessing, so if we did switch, I think it's a little premature to say Dorsey is an absolute misfit. At LSU, he was a two gap tackle who had to tie up blocks and did pretty well at that. Admittedly, however, it was against college lineman, not NFL guards and centers. We have to give the guy a chance my friends. He won't be getting any taller, but he can get more muscular and powerful a la Casey Hampton, an ideal 3-4 NT.

As thorough as Pioli is rumored to be, I find it unlikely that he would try and fit square pegs in round holes. He has been evaluating the current players on the roster for weeks, so if the 3-4 switch comes to fruition, it will likely mean either he feels that certain players on the roster can make the transition, or that they aren't worth keeping around at all.

Aaron Curry - 1st round pick
Hakeem Nicks - 2nd round pick
I think Hakeem Nicks is the 2nd best receiver in the draft and might slide to a 2nd round pick

Scott Wright (Draft Countdown):
"Most scouts feel you are capable of playing inside or outside in either a 4-3 or 3-4 defensive scheme. What are your thoughts on that and where do you think you'd be most comfortable?"

Aaron Curry:
"No matter where I am placed in a system I will maximize my potential and continue to make big plays. My college coach Brad Lambert made sure I was able to take on and shed blocks like an inside 3-4 linebacker and also taught me to be very strong at the point of attack as a Sam in the 4-3."

I'd say from that response, Curry pretty much views himself best-suited as an ILB (Mike or Will) in 3-4 scheme and as a OLB (Sam) in a 4-3 scheme.

Here's the thing that's bugging me most about whether the Chiefs have yet to hire a DC - if that's the case, then what exactly are they planning to do with Gibbs and Pendergast? If you're going to make one of them your LB coach, what are you supposed to with the other? Are we going to have 2 LB coaches? See, this is what leads me to think that one of them is slated to be the new DC no matter how disturbing the prospect of that may seem to the rest of us.

DD - good supporting position. I tend to agree with you on almost every point. 2 considerations: 1. i don't think tank tyler can handle the NT position in the 3-4 scheme and 2. i don't believe Romeo is in play.

So far the only rumor to live itself out is Haley and thats because we were all waiting for the Super Bowl to be over before he could be interviewed. I think Pioli is using rumor control to his advantage and this is going to become the new culture. I don't like it, but it is what it is....

How can anyone think Haynesworth is not worth the money, please stop thinking like Carl Peterson. That is all I read on here, we can't trade down, we shouldn't sign the best defensive player available. Give up first round picks for a QB. Thinking like this has given us a 2-14 record. Wake up people, I understand Carl has dumbed down a lot of fans, but we are now important again in the NFL. I think we will start acting like it next week.

I'm with Banny. I don't see why that info would leak to Schefter after nothing has leaked to anyone. I don't really see Crennel coming to town. I also don't see us moving to a 3-4. That would make Dorsey totally worthless. The other issue is that we currently only have one decent linebacker on the team. You'd need three more as starters and then you'd have to find depth as well. Hali isn't quick enough to line up as an OLB in a 3-4. Good coaches make the scheme fit the players. I just don't see a coach coming in and trying to make these guys into a 3-4 defense. I am very underwhelmed by these hirings. This must be what it feels like to get a lump of coal on Christmas morning.

I really don't see us switching to a 3-4. They only report out there is from NFL.com. With as tight lipped as the Chiefs are these days, I highly doubt that Adam Schefter got a leak no one else could.

I am going to go on record saying "pay the man" when it comes to Haynesworth.

I don't care if its the 3-4 or the 4-3...that man makes a difference!

As far as Romeo - heck yes....I think we all want him at this point. I am fine with both Gibbs and Pendergast, but Romeo is a deal breaker.

last thing - Peppers is a pipe dream at this point

Ditto 447, "Haynes "is not" worth" the money or hassel. He is a problem waiting to happen. Sign him to that fat contract and watch him disentigrate.

Romeo is welcomed, but can that many egos exist on D? I would love to see Romeo!

GO CHIEFS!

I think Pendergast could run a 3-4. His D in AZ was kind of a hybrid D. It may have not been their base D but they did run a 3-4 at times. I think Haynesworh will cost too much. We need to spread our money out on a number of quality players, rather than on a couple superstars. I think Crennel as DC would just be icing on the cake. Two former DC's with Crennel as well, would be awesome as shit.