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Oh, there they go. There they go! Every time I start talking about Crabtree, a Chiefs fan gotta pull Matt Millen out they ass. That’s they one. That’s they one!
Rocky Marciano, Rocky Marciano, Rocky Marciano…
Matt Millen, Matt Millen, Matt Millen…
Blah, blah, blah….
At least the old Jewish man from Coming to America made some sense.
Pulling out Matt Millen in a futile attempt to discredit Michael Crabtree as a potential draft option for the Chiefs at No. 3 is a joke.
First off, Mike Williams and Roy Williams were picked 10th and seventh respectively. That makes them more like Jeremy Maclin and Percy Harvin than Michal Crabtree.
Mike was lazy; his weight ballooned up to 271 pounds, a weight he reported to the Titans at. Even his former teammate LenDale White thought he was fat.
Roy has always had serious attitude problems, problems which I thought he had in college. He made the Pro Bowl in 2006, despite all Detroit’s other issues, and brought them in a helluva haul in a recent trade with Dallas.
Now, Charles Rogers is where Millen really screwed up. But where are the similarities? Rogers was a frail kid with a drug problem. His drug problem (three NFL violations of the NFL’s substance abuse policy; recently got arrested for domestic abuse hopped up on vicodin) might have surprised some people, but not me. Hell, the guy even looked like Chris Tucker. He was a quack and Millen should have known better. Scott Pioli would have never drafted him that high. Not in a million years. Personally, I’d run personality tests and psychological evaluations to avoid another Rogers…and reaching on a linebacker.
Then there is Calvin Johnson. Megatron. Say what you will about Johnson, but despite playing alongside basically zero talent, he put up ridiculous numbers this season and at least gave his team the opportunity to win a couple of games. His 12 receiving TDs led the NFL last season. If the Lions can put some talent around this kid, we’ll be talking about him the same way we do Larry Fitzgerald now. He’s only 23 years old, people. That’s scary.
Most of all, where Scott Pioli is arguably the best football exec in the business, Millen was the undisputed worst. Period.
I love how the Old Chief can gloat about how he was right about Santonio Holmes, a recent first-round pick, being Super Bowl MVP, then trash Crabtree in the same paragraph. I love seeing stuff like “receivers don’t win championships” in the comment threads. Really? That’s news to me. I thought I just saw Santonio Holmes making the late show rounds because he was named Super Bowl MVP for catching the game-winner. A catch that kept the other team’s first-round superstar receiver, the Cardinals’ Fitzgerald, from making a game-winning catch of his own. Without Holmes’ performance and late touchdown, James Harrison’s long pick six would have been the longest meaningless defensive TD return in Super Bowl history.
Seriously, why do people always have to pull the Detroit Lions out of their ass to refute Crabtree? Stop playing the Matt Millen fear card!
In 2007, the Patriots put together a team that was one miracle David Tyree helmet-trap catch away from being the greatest team of all-time because they added two star receivers (Oh, and who do you think put that together, by the way?). The Cardinals finally made the Super Bowl because of their two superstar receivers. Hell, the Steelers vaunted defense was bailed out in the Super Bowl by one of the team’s two star receivers. What about Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne helping Peyton Manning win it all in 2006? Let’s talk about these things — not just the most prominent example of when it didn’t work.
The NFL is becoming even more of a passing league. Defenders are simply too big, fast and strong nowadays to play smash-mouth football. You can’t just power it down opponents’ throats with the running game in this day and age.
Why do you think it was the Steelers that emerged from the AFC, not the Ravens or Titans? The Steelers possessing a legitimate passing game was the difference. Why do you think the Giants flaked out in the playoffs? They desperately missed the big-play capability of Plaxico Burress. I mean, just look at what the Chiefs had to move to this year to stay competitive. The marginal success they enjoyed periodically was due to them moving away from Herm Edwards “two yards and a cloud of dust twice then a screen on third down, you play the game to not get blown out but end up getting blown out anyway” football. Even teams that try and control the ball, like Pittsburgh, do a lot of that through the air.
So, please, stop bringing up the Lions when we talk Michael Crabtree. If you want to call him a slower, more polished and physical Calvin Johnson — that’s fine. But don’t insult Crabtree by comparing him to “Cannibus” Carlos or Mike “And Ike,” or even Mr. Malcontent himself Roy Williams. Most of all, don’t insult Scott Pioli by comparing him to that mental midget Matt Millen. That’s “nonsense” that needs to be knocked off.
One last note for those of you who don’t think Pioli drafts skill players early. Two names: Chad Jackson and Laurence Maroney.
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I don’t think anyone is comparing Pioli to Millen….Cuz Pioli won’t be drafting Crabtree….Millen would : )
woody shoots and scores!!!!! But seriously Adam, I refer you to a nice mock draft site. It’s called NFLMocks.com. They just posted a mock draft that has us taking Stafford in the first round while leaving Crabtree on the board. Perhaps you should contact the author of that mock and present your case to him.
Ooh snap!
Adam, I’m sure you didn’t miss my earlier post seeing as it needed approval from a moderator given that it had a link, but my central point against Crabtree isn’t Matt Millen, its the lack of genuine competition he has faced in the Big 12.
Here’s the link again, sans linkage, so that it can be approved immediately:
http://www.tomahawknation.com/2009/1/6/710192/the-big-twelve-s-passing-o
Quite simply, the defensive backfields of the Big 12 make my 1-9 freshman HS football team look like the Monsters of the Midway. Crabtree has good hands and is fast. No doubts about it. But he put up filthy numbers because of his system (the spread) and the absolute inability of Big 12 DBs, especially CBs to cover, tackle, or do anything other than twist a phattie (I’m looking at you Aqib). His 7 yard slants turned into 70 yard TDs aren’t going to happen when its him and one other receiver on the field and the DBs they’re facing can cover something other than dorm-room smoke alarms.
BTW, I noticed you have a thing for freakish WR duos. Are you putting money on Cinci to take it all the way this year?
The comparison to the 2007 Patriots and what they did makes no sense to what we are talking about with our team.
The 2007 Patriots that made it to she Superbowl were obviously largely put there because of their 2 star receivers.
They also had one of the very best quarterbacks to ever play in the playoffs.
They also had a great offensive line that had played well together for awhile.
And a defense that I believe was in the top 10.
We have none of those. Even with Moss and Welker we may not be that good, we dont have a great QB(not knocking Thigpen, but he is not great, nor will any QB to come out this year), nor do we have a good Offensive line, nor a good defense.
You say its ridiculous to bring up Millen, which it may be, I say its crazy to even compare us to the Pats of any year, even if we do get Crabtree.
We need LBs, an OLineman, and DLinemen, not a receiver.
Bada Bing, Bada Boom
Dude thats funny (Sudden)….
If history is any indicator, Pioli will hold off on until at least the 2nd round (see Chad Jackson) before going WR.
The case you make for CJ though is pretty compelling – as long as you are extremely confident that Pioli will make his first foray into the draft with a player that Chiefs ownership and fans will be willing to wait however many years it takes to “put some talent around this kid.” Good luck with that.
Maroney was selected in the bottom 3rd of the 1st round (instead of Santonio Holmes I might add) which is a significantly less risky selection than, say, the #3 overall pick. However, when we look at how Pioli has faired when selecting from the top half the 1st round, his preference has invariably been to go with the best available defender. See Jerod Mayo. See Ty Warren. See Richard Seymour.
2009? See best available of either OLB, CB, or DE.
Yah but Chad Jackson was an awful Pioli pick. YUCK!
I’ve already put my two cents in on Crabtree before and I promised I wouldn’t again so that’s that. But also, I wanted to point out that if you think the screens on third down are going to disappear, your sadly mistaken, because that is Mr. Haley’s specialty.
I hear a lot about the “best avalible player” to be the one taken. There is no doubt that Crabtree will be the BAP come number three. The QB’s this year are a joke (sanchez will be no good and bradford will be gone). I would love to play great d but our team is so far from having that top 5 defense that wins superbowls. like is has been said before, we need an identity and we need to let our d make enough plays to win games, even if the final score is 45-43 a win is a win.
Any one looked at who wake forest played against last year too. Maybe Curry is just a product of his teams easy schedule (just playing devils advocate here)
Woody, about my Mock. That’s a gauge of the draft buzz and how things could shake out, not what I want to happen. Just wanted to clear that up
I honestly don’t care who they pick at #3. I’m just happy the regime has changed! We could forfeit the 1st round pick and still be better than last year.
I think Adam pretty much summed it up: “Herm Edwards “two yards and a cloud of dust twice then a screen on third down, you play the game to not get blown out but end up getting blown out anyway” football.”
Call me too optimistic, but I’m completely fine with whatever Hunt, Pioli, and Haley decide to do (I’m not using that gay MLB – screw Jabba).
GO CHIEFS!!!
BAP is a bunch of crap. What if a TE is our BAP in the second -we will not take him!! Teams that are stocked with talent may elect to take the best player, but we are far from that. We are lucky (from a draft standpoint) to have many holes, so we have more options. Drafting Crabtree would be a mistake two folds. One-We need defense not another WR, and two Crabtree is our bait to trade down. If we don’t add high picks in this draft, we will see a longer row to HOE.
Before someone post “we can’t trade down”,the main reason for the low number of trades into the top five is the salary cap. This year a lot of teams have some serious cash under the cap. This also means that we need more high picks,since getting FA’s will be very competitive.
Adam,
Bottom line…we aren’t necessarily saying Crabtree is not the stud you claim him to be, most of us anyway. He may be the next Fitz or he may be the next TO. Either way it doesn’t matter. The Chiefs cannot afford to fall in love with a WR ala Matt Millen style. Pioli is too smart, at least that is what you keep harping on. Everything I see has Curry as the BAP in this draft. Not sure how true that is, but we need to get the BAP at a position of need like OL, DE or LB. Don’t care which. I would personally rather have Everett Brown based on him being billed with the same motor and drive as a DE we USED to have.
Vrod:
Good point, Brown is rising. If he rises high enough, he becomes an option at #3.
Chances are Crabtree will be a good player if not great someday but as mentioned before Cinnci aint doin nothing with their guys 2 wr’s
Unless ive missed something the last 2 days ive been gone but im pretty sure we still need a D coordinator too right? I think that will play big into this draft. Is the incoming guy gonna want to run a 3-4 or 4-3 does he like corners that can turn and run with WR’s or play mainly zone coverages. In my opinion DE is our biggest need we truely dont have one starter there. Hali only did things when Allen was there to draw the double teams and RB his way. Only problem there isnt a DE worth the 3 pick. Id bet we pick up 2-3 guys via free agency prob o-line and d-line and fill rest of the holes with draft picks by trading out of the 3 slot(if possible)to add more picks.
Adam I don’t know what you are referring to…mock…?I understand ur mock draft technique lol
Crabtree 4 ME! I’ll say it again, I think Crabtree will get picked third… although it might not be us taking him. I think we go Crabtree or O-line. If we trade down then we go LB or O-Line.
It’s funny Adam, remember last year when you were getting grilled for having a man crush on Matty?!?! Obviously you let your feelings get in the way because you were way, way off on that one weren’t you? I’m not sure if we should even listen to your opinions this year. (do I need to clarify that was sarcasm?)
Here’s to hoping for a good pick whomever it is because the reality is you just never know.
Sudden,
All comments with links need moderation. I’ll have to check that out for sure. Like right now…
Doc
Its not hard to say that Crabtree is a hell of a player when everybody pretty much has seen him, and Espn and every major sports site is hyping him up. That being said, I am a firm believer that you build from the inside out. So my choice would be to fix the front seven or improve the O-line, both of which can be started with the 3 pick. Is Crabtree good, yes! but that doesn’t mean we need him. We need to pick smart not sexy, and I am growing tired of people (Adam) just looking for sexy picks, Lets wait till the combine to decide where people will stand, who knows if Curry will still stand as a top 5 pick or for that matter who knows if Crabtree will.
When I say this I think that he is an option and is a good option but he is my last option at 3, if they pick him they pick him and i look forward to wathching him light it up on the field
I like the combine and all but you have to be careful to not fall in love with the workout warrior a la vernon gholston….maybe i show some prejudices from playing both lines in high school and d line in college but dont we all remember what priest and larry were able to do with that o line of the early 2000’s and what our d was like in the 90’s it all started with the line!!!