Recently, myself and Primetime of Arrowhead Pride had an interesting debate — conducted via e-mail — over whether Chain Gailey or Todd Haley should be the Chiefs’ next coach. In the Pride corner, Chan “The Man” Gailey! In the Addict corner, Todd “The Bod” Haley! Ding, ding, ding!…
Primetime:
Chan Gailey should be the next head coach of the Kansas City Chiefs. Yeah, he’s not the sexy choice that so many Chiefs fans have been clamoring for since names like Bill Cowher, MIke Shanahan and Marty Schottenheimer have been floating around. But, he is a coach with a proven track record and gives the Chiefs the best chance for success in 2009.
- Offensive coordinator of the Steelers: Super Bowl
- Offensive coordinator of the Dolphins: 11 wins per year
- Head coach of the Cowboys: 2 playoff appearances in 2 years
The Chiefs are the youngest team in the league. They need a head coach that is familiar with the players and their development, especially the quarterback position.. Tyler Thigpen owes his success to Gailey. Being the most important position in professional sports. the development of a quarterback should be placed at the forefront of any rebuilding session. Gailey took Thigpen and made him a competent quarterback. His work with Thigpen can not be understated in any way, shape or form.
The turnaround job he did with the Chiefs is nearly enough to make me give him consideration for the head coaching job. But combine that with his previous success as a head coach in which Jerry Jones admitted he fired him prematurely and he’s a no-brainer. Once we can get over the young, up-and-coming coordinator obsession and take note of his resume, Chan Gailey is a solid choice for the Chiefs next head coach.
Adam:
It’s not about making the sexy choice. It’s about aiming for greatness. As solid as he’s been as a coordinator over the years — and winning one gimme game with the Arrowspread last year was not one of those times — he’s been a pedestrian head coach. Other than what seems like a millennium ago at Troy (when it was still Troy State), he’s never won more than 10 games as a head coach. Most years he’s hovered right around .500. That’s settling for the crumbs when we should be shooting for the stars. That’s why I simply do not understand the Chandemonium that has hit Chiefs Nation.
Todd Haley’s résumé speaks for itself. Not only has he risen about as quickly as you can in the NFL, some of the brightest football minds in the game — Bill Parcells and Ken Whisenhunt — have recently hired him. I’ll take a Parcells hire over a Herman Edwards one eight days a week. Besides, what Haley has done in Arizona has been astonishing. Whisenhunt is a damn fine young head coach, but it’s been Haley’s offense that has taken the Cardinals to the Super Bowl. The Cardinals to the Super Bowl! That’s as astonishing as us putting a man on the moon. As Wilt Chamberlain’s 100-point and 20,000-women conquests. As Seth Rogen becoming an A-lister. And Haley is the man responsible.
The Chiefs are the youngest team in the league, and it would suit them well to have a young coach who can communicate with the new generation of players effectively. Look at the two coaches in this year’s Super Bowl. Their average age is 41. Chan Gailey is 57. Additionally, Gailey was part of a coaching staff that coddled our young players and didn’t get the best out of them. As we saw with Anquan Boldin two weeks ago, Haley is a “no nonsense” kind of coach. In order for the promise of our youth to amount to something, we need balls — not a babysitter.
To top all of that off, Haley even has a strong working relationship with new GM Scott Pioli. Speaking of Pioli, wih him in and Carl Peterson out, it’s time to look forward. Haley is the right coach for this new era in Chiefs football.
Primetime:
His only stint as an NFL head coach landed him 2 playoff appearances in 2 years. Far from pedestrian if you ask me. His work with the Chiefs last year did not translate into many victories. But, at the same time, you’ve gotta hold the head coach responsible for that. Gailey’s offense vastly improved over the course of the season which is indicative of his ability to adapt with what he was given.
College coaching vs. NFL coaching is comparing apples and oranges. With that logic, a good college coach (like Steve Spurrier) should have succeeded as an NFL coach. The two can not be compared. There are too many variables, mainly recruiting, that impedes this argument. Besides, Gailey’s NFL resume already speaks for itself.
While I won’t argue what Haley has done with the Cards in the playoffs is impressive, let’s not forget that they’ve still got only 17 regular season wins over the last two years. Gailey had 18 regular season wins over 2 years. Haley’s a hot name right now but what about the last 2 regular seasons when the Cards have been anything but a Super Bowl powerhouse.
The Chiefs are the youngest team in the league, and it would suit them well to have a young coach who can communicate with the new generation of players effectively.
Didn’t we just have a players’ coach? A coach that related well to the players? That didn’t get us anywhere so trying to make it work yet again isn’t the answer.
Gailey worked with what he was given and produced points. The losses need to be pinned on the head coach. Gailey repeatedly demonstrated an ability to effectively score points with an offense that was destined to fail. There’s one man you hold responsible for the failure (and success) of an NFL team and it’s the head coach. Gailey has shown he can succeed as a head coach and, given more time in his previous stint, whose to say there never would have been a reason to bring Bill Parcells to Dallas?
Adam:
“His only stint as an NFL head coach landed him 2 playoff appearances in 2 years. Far from pedestrian if you ask me. His work with the Chiefs last year did not translate into many victories. But, at the same time, you’ve gotta hold the head coach responsible for that. Gailey’s offense vastly improved over the course of the season which is indicative of his ability to adapt with what he was given.”
If the goal is to just make the playoffs, then we might as well bring Marty Schottenheimer back. Shouldn’t the goal be to make the Super Bowl? Fresh off his offense leading the Cardinals to the Big Game, Haley certainly knows how to get the job done. Gailey’s offense improved? I thought they were terrible late in the season, especially in the second halves of games. If it wasn’t for a garbage touchdown in the last three minutes of the game, the Chiefs would have been shut out by the lowly Bengals in Week 17.
“While I won’t argue what Haley has done with the Cards in the playoffs is impressive, let’s not forget that they’ve still got only 17 regular season wins over the last two years. Gailey had 18 regular season wins over 2 years. Haley’s a hot name right now but what about the last 2 regular seasons when the Cards have been anything but a Super Bowl powerhouse.”
Well, this certainly is misleading. Gailey was the head coach of the Cowboys, a team that had recently been very good with Troy Aikman still at the helm. Meanwhile, Haley got his first offensive coordinator job — not a head coaching job, mind you — with a franchise that had been the laughingstock of the NFL. In large part to his offense, the Cards went from chumps to NFC champs in two years. To me, that’s more impressive than getting a former dynasty, even one on its last legs, into the playoffs.
“Didn’t we just have a players’ coach? A coach that related well to the players? That didn’t get us anywhere so trying to make it work yet again isn’t the answer.”
I wouldn’t call Haley a player’s coach at all — just a young guy who understands today’s player and the direction the game is going. Harm coddled our young players. We all know by seeing his sideline “conversation” with Boldin that Haley won’t make that mistake.
To me, I think the biggest difference between these two candidates is their temperament. Haley seems to thrive under pressure, as we all witnessed last night when he damn near orchestrated one of the most unbelievable comebacks in Super Bowl history. He loves calling that late-game drive, as we saw not only in the Super Bowl but in the NFC Conference Championship. He also made masterful halftime adjustments in the Super Bowl. Meanwhile, Gailey failed to make really any good halftime adjustments all season long. He also never thrived calling the shots under pressure. In fact, I’d say that he often choked under pressure.
I’ve been hard on Gailey, but here’s my biggest issue: what message does retaining him send to the players and the fans? It sends the message that our 2-14 season was acceptable. Hell, it will send the message that 2-14 won’t get you cut or fired, it will get you promoted! It also looks backward, when we should only be looking forward. With Derrick Thomas getting elected into the Hall, everything is set for us to close the book on the Carl Peterson era and totally start fresh. Hiring Gailey would prevent our beloved Red and Gold from having the fresh start that is needed to change the current losing culture.
Primetime:
“If the goal is to just make the playoffs, then we might as well bring Marty Schottenheimer back. Shouldn’t the goal be to make the Super Bowl?”
You are correct. In a room full of young players, many of them with less than 3 years of playing experience, who is likely to get their attention? A coach with decades of success in the NFL or a 2 year coordinator with limited success outside of a miraculous one month run to the Super Bowl? The Bill Parcells connection is overrated in my opinion. I’ll take the long resume over the potential any day of the week.
Regarding my “miraculous one month run” comment, the point is that I don’t want to jump the gun on a guy who is the sexy choice right now. I want this decision to be well thought out. Haley’s name just started popping up following the Cardinals divisional playoff round victory. Where was his name the last 33 games the Cardinals played?
“Well, this certainly is misleading. Gailey was the head coach of the Cowboys, a team that had recently been very good with Troy Aikman still at the helm.”
Not so fast. The Cowboys won 6 games the year prior to Gailey’s arrival and ranked 22nd in offense and 13th in defense. The next year, Gailey’s first at the helm, the Cowboys increased their win total by 4 games and ended the season ranked 9th in offense and 3rd in defense.
“I’ve been hard on Gailey, but here’s my biggest issue: what message does retaining him send to the players and the fans?”
It’s not so much about sending the right message to the fans as it is putting the NFL’s youngest team in the care of a veteran coach. Gailey’s been around the block and continues to be creative and be successful as a coordinator. His adaptability and ability to continually revitalize offenses should be reason enough to debunk the school of thought that “fresh blood” is a necessity. Sometimes newer isn’t better.
And one more point that is largely ignored, is the ability to manage people. Ultimately the next head coach will be manning a ship of 53 players and a dozen assistant coaches. Chan Gailey obviously wasn’t running the offense he wanted to start the season but never publicly threw the head coach (whose ultimately responsible for that decision) under the bus. He understands the role each person has and the importance of having a sole voice lead the organization. While I respect Haley’s perceived fiery and blunt attitude, players may not react well to his tone considering he hasn’t done much to prove he’s the next Bill Parcells.
Adam:
“Sometimes newer isn’t better.”
It certainly was this year. Ken Whisenhunt and Mike Tomlin, both first-time coaches at any level, took their teams to the big game after only two and three seasons, respectively. Granted, Tomlin inherited a good team, but the Whiz did not. The Raven’s John Harbaugh had never been a head coach either, but he took Ray-Ray and the crew to the Conference Championship. Andy Reid was also a first-time coach when he was hired by the Eagles ten years ago. The NFL’s four best teams all had first-time coaches at the helm. Three of the four were younger coaches that had been hired in the past three years. Not one of the coaches in the final four was a retread, like your boy Gailey.
This not only proves that a younger, first-time coach is the way to go in today’s NFL, but also that one can take his team to the big game in two or three years.
“Regarding my “miraculous one month run” comment, the point is that I don’t want to jump the gun on a guy who is the sexy choice right now. I want this decision to be well thought out. Haley’s name just started popping up following the Cardinals divisional playoff round victory. Where was his name the last 33 games the Cardinals played?”
“Sexy” is a word that’s used to scare people away from making changes. Again, Tomlin was a sexier pick than Russ Grimm back in 2006. I’m not saying that Grimm was the wrong pick, but we all now for sure now that Tomlin was definitely the right choice. Whisenhunt was also probably the sexier hire than Grimm, and he also appears to have been the right choice after taking the Cardinals of all teams to the brink of winning it all. John Harbough was a sexier pick than Rex Ryan, and he ended up almost taking his team all the way. With this obvious current correlation between “sexy” and winning, I think it’s time to bring sexy back to Kansas City.
Besides, blowing both yourself and your team up in a mere two seasons like Haley has is never a bad thing. We’ll need someone who can recreate that here, someone with that kind of “experience.”
I could not be more adamant about us needing a fresh start. Look at what completely starting over from scratch last season did for the Atlanta Falcons and Miami Dolphins, teams whose 2007 records were close to the Chiefs’ 2008 final mark. Both teams brought in a first-time NFL head coach, and both a brand new front office and quarterback. The result was a combined 17 more wins and two trips to the playoffs. Chiefs fans know all to well what happens when you keep around familiar faces despite sweeping changes being needed — a franchise record for losses.
Chiefs Nation does need those sweeping changes. The players and fans need to know that in this new era losing will not be tolerated. Additionally, Scott Pioli is the man behind the curtain and Tony Gonzalez is just years (two, three, four?) from being retired. For the Chiefs’ catharsis to work, the franchise needs a new face. A face that represents change and winning, not the status quo — losing. For the reasons I’ve outlined above, Todd Haley is that face.
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“Once we can get over the young, up-and-coming coordinator obsession…”
umm, jeez, maybe there’s something to the new guys that are up and coming….OH YEAH! THEY’RE WINNING GAMES! YEAH, THAT’S IT….
My vote is strongly on Haley. Kansas City needs new blood and he would be a great addition.
I think you are giving Haley too much praise. The guy was the OC, not the HC. A lot of these accolades should be for Whisenhunt, not Haley. Whisenhunt was the man that led that team to the Super Bowl, not Haley.
I’m not saying that I would be upset if Haley was the HC for the Chiefs. Just point out that you are exaggerating what he did. You should be heaping that praise on the HC and not the OC.
I agree with you dbk301.
I’m not knocking Haley. I think he could be a solid coach someday. Just right now I think his stock is overinflated.
Also, big thanks to Adam for the image we used on AP as well. It looks really sweet.
Oh my goodness, Prime is on AA…haha
I think Haley is the right man for the team right now (between these two anyway) and support him in this debate.
Thought that was you woodman. There’s quite a few of us that are on both sites.
Yessir.
Sorry I could not support you in this debate, haha.
And naturally will save my Russ Grimm talk for another day I suppose.
If Todd Haley is the next Chiefs HC then fine, I’m down with it but, in the meantime, this Haleysteria has got to stop.
Adam says, “Shouldn’t the goal be to make the Super Bowl?” Uh, no. The goal is to win the Super Bowl. Don’t believe it, go ask a Bills fan.
You want recent? Tom Coughlin was 61 when he won the Super Bowl just last year.
The average age of coaches who have actually won the Super Bowl? Closer to 50 than to 40.
Adam, your showing your agism.
How long before you (yet again) trot out the “Gailey is an old white man from the South” canard?
Sir, have you no shame?
Something else to ponder. It’s well documented that Gailey coached successfully in the defense-laden SEC as well as steered a dramatic turnaround of the Cowboys defense. What exactly is Haley’s record of accomplishment with developing/fielding competitive defenses? I’m sorry, what was that, I couldn’t hear you?
Oops – I better scratch the SEC reference – Ga Tech is in the ACC. Still, Ga Tech perennially plays 2-3 teams from the SEC each year as well as against some pretty strong competition within the ACC (BC, NC, NC St, Clemson, Va, V Tech, Wake,S Car, Miami, Fla St.)
Gailey’s overall record as a HC (NFL/NCAA combined):
82-56
In NFL terms, that translates to an average of 9.5 wins per season. Significantly above .500.
Number of seasons with post season opportunies/appearances as a HC (NCAA/NFL/WLAF):
10 out of 10.
Another of Adam’s pearls of logic:
“Whisenhunt is a damn fine young head coach, but it’s been Haley’s offense that has taken the Cardinals to the Super Bowl.”
So if Haley’s to be the “damn fine young head coach” of Chiefs, won’t he need to find the next up-and-coming young offensive coordinator to take us to the Super Bowl? Talk about your circular reasoning! Where does this all end?
Who says we can’t have them both.
Gailey has not been fired and all interview requests for him have been denied.
GO CHIEFS GO PIOLI!
During Haley’s tenure as OC, the Arizona Cardinals have gone from really bad to absolute worst in the league in Rushing YPG.
2007 Ranking: 29th
2008 Ranking: 32nd
A very troubling stat indeed. Sorry Adam, seeing this stat screams a huge NO! Fitzgerald and Boldin may be the best WR pair this league has seen in the last decade and that may be all fine and dandy for the NFC West but the fact of the matter is if you can’t put together a running game in the AFC West, you’re gonna lose. a. lot. The Chiefs averaged over 21 points per game after Thigpen took over but without an adequate running game we could never seal the deal.
I am now fully convinced that bringing in Haley’s pass-only, no run, no defense approach to Kansas City is a recipe for unmitigated disaster. Would I still support my team? Absolutely and always – albiet with much lowered expectations.
Oh yeah, I neglected to mention another noteworthy stat.
In 2007, before Gailey arrived, the Chiefs ranked 32nd in rushing YPG. In 2008, the Chiefs ranked 16th.
There’s no ageism involved, DD. I was a huge supporter of Bill Snyder coming back. In college, yes, I’d actually want an older, seasoned coach. In the modern NFL, a younger coach is the way to go.
Yeah, DD, Haley is as responsible as an anybody, if not moreso. Just like I thought Brian Billeck was more responsible in 1998 when the Vikings went 16-2 and were one. Two years later he won a Super Bowl head coaching a new team. First-time head coach.
Why is Haley as responsible? He’s the guy who has been working with Boldin and Fitzgerald to take the from Pro Bowl to All World. He’s the guy who was given no real running game personnel (mediocre back, terrible run blocking), and effectively ran the ball in the playoffs. He’s the guy who bailed the the defense out in the NFC Conf. Champ., and almost bailed Whisenhunt out for stupidly deferring in the SB.
Was he postseason eligible when he went 5-6 at Samford? Reading is fundamental
Thanks for doing this, Primetime! It was indeed a Great Debate.
Adam @17. Nice job on cherry-picking Gailey’s sole sub .500 season. Had to go all the way to 1993 to find it didn’t you? As far as I can tell, as was the case when he won the NCAA Div II National Championship at Troy, there were no post-season opportunities at Samford.
Haley’s overall average as an NFL coach (WR/Passing Game Coord/OC)? Somewhere in the neighborhood of .450 if I’m not mistaken. Accountability can kind of be a bitch, you know?
Thanks for playing.
Double D @ 11: that is not circular reasoning — what you wrote makes no sense.
Double D@ 13: Haley’s no defense approach??? What do you base this assertion on? His time as an OFFENSIVE coordinator?
panther – re 11, Adam is claiming that AZ’s OC, in spite of their HC, is responsible for their late season run. If true, the most that can be said about Haley is that he is a good OC. If Haley goes from OC to HC, as did, mind you, the Super Bowl winning OC Whisenhunt, it seems to me that Haley will probably need to find his own wunderkind OC to get him to the big show.
re 13, I believe you’re making one of my arguments for me. Putting aside the fact that AZ’s defense didn’t really show up until the playoffs, what exactly are Haley’s credentials for defense?
I mean come on, the guy has basically been a WR coach for all but 1 1/2 seasons of his NFL coaching career, one day has the good fortune of landing one of the best WRs the game has ever seen that he can play opposite to an already pretty good WR, further lands a successful veteran QB who can get the ball to them and voila! Todd Haley all of sudden will be the next great HC in the NFL?
It’s all a bunch of Haleysteria I’m tellin’ ya.
Adam,
Once again you are exaggerating Haley’s role. He is the person most responsible for their season? Are you freaking kidding me? I know you want him to be the coach of the Chiefs, but that statement is utterly ridiculous. Whisenhunt is the one responsible. You are exaggerating things just for the sake of making your case for Haley.
Also saying that young is the way to go in the NFL is you looking at this year’s Super Bowl and using that as your only sample. That is irresponsible. Just off the top of my head when I think about successful coaches right now and in recent memory: Belichick, Coughlin, Reid, Smith, Sporano, Vermeil, and Levy are just a few that come to mind. They aren’t/weren’t exactly spring chickens when they were winning recently.
Whisenhunt was the one who lost the effin’ Super Bowl, folks. His defer on the opening toss lost them the game. Haley bailed him out big time late in the game. Without Hailey there is no trip to the Super Bowl (his late, game-winning drive bailed Whiz out in the NFC CC) and the SB would have been a blowout. If he takes the opening kick, Haley, Fitz and Warner get on a roll early instead of in the fourth (when they couldn’t be stopped) and the Cards are champs. That’s the way I see it.
Reid, Smith and Sparano are all first-time coaches, too, pal, despite their age, which wasn’t that old. They weren’t retards.
Chiefs fans should hope for an exciting trifecta: Hiring Todd Haley, trading for Cassel and drafting Michael Crabtree. Adding that to Dwayne Bowe, Tony Gonzalez and Larry Johnson would give them an offense certainly capable of captaining a big turnaround in a rather weak AFC West.
Vinnie Iyer
Don’t “thanks for playing” me, DD. You must be out of your mind.
Before Todd Haley came along, Boldin and Fitz were just good. Now, they are arguably the best two receivers in the NFL. As a former WRs coach, don’t you give him a lot of the credit there? Before this season, Fitz was one dimensional. Haley totally helped him become a complete player. He will even tell you that himself.
As far as the Samford thing, you totally skewed the facts on your whole postseason B.S., so I had to correct you.
If you want to bring up a .450 winning percentage and a trip to the Super Bowl vs. Gailey getting canned at GT and then going 2-14 with the Chiefs, then come on with it. I’m down. I’m more than down.
This Gailey nonsense is a GD joke. That’s all I have to say. I’ve more than made a case for Haley here, as evidenced by the landslide vote you can currently see over at AP. 76% for Haley, 23% for Gailey. The remaining 1% refused to vote because Gailey was even on the ballot. Just kidding, but that is the vote response to this same thread over on AP with over 500 voters.
So, according to the votes of Chiefs Nation, thanks for playing back atcha.
Thanks, Jeremy. Looks like My man Vinnie Iyer has been reading the Addict! Even though Larry won’t be here. Most likely, anyway.
The whole coin toss argument is bordering on the absurd. The Steelers D kept Fitz totally out of the picture until the 4th quarter. Whiz electing to receive would not have changed that fact one iota and not only that would likely have meant the Cards would have ended up with one less possesssion in the second half – i.e., it wouldn’t have even been close.
Adam:
“Whisenhunt was the one who lost the effin’ Super Bowl, folks. His defer on the opening toss lost them the game”
You have got to be kidding me on this one. You are grasping at straws with that, bud.
My Plan:
Hire Todd Haley; keep Gailey as Off Coordinator
Keep Thigpen
Draft QB in later rounds
Trade Downfrom #3 pick up Best Line Backer Available or DE Available
Sign Michael Boley at LB from Atlanta(26 years old)
Keep LJ, Run him into the ground.
Sign Mark Tauscher or Marvel Smith to play RT
Pick up at least 2 DE or LBs in the draft.
Keep Mark Bradley at Number 2 WR, Franklin at three. Dump Jeff Webb.
Keep Babin and Turk McBride as backup DEs. New DE from first or second round to start along Hali.
Keep Mike Cox at FB
Release Donnie Edwards, and Pat Thomas.
Just my two cents….
Jeremy:
Not a bad plan at all. What would you do with Surtain?
Funny you mention that Merlin. I wrote an article about Surtain on this site last preseason that said to trade him. Sure wish we would have. He was worthless all season (injury), and he was slow when he played.
Cut him.
I unlike others like our young secondary. We need to revamp the linebackers completely, and add a strong DE. That is my fix for the Defense. Baby steps.
“As a former WRs coach, don’t you give him a lot of the credit there?”
Absolutely. Unfortunately for him, that’s where it ends. Talk about being one dimensional. You don’t even want to go down that road, buddy.
As far as the AP’s mass haleysteria goes – all I can conclude is that no one over there is talking sense to those people.
Haley’s résumé speaks for itself? Only if we’re talking 1st grade reading level.
Ok Adam. Here is why so many of us Addicts are upset with your trashing of Chan.
PPG in 2007 = 14.1
PPG in 2008 = 18.2
PPG first six games before the spread offense = 12.5
PPG last ten games after the spread offense = 21.6
In case you want a better example, the first six games with the spread was 23.5
YDS Per Game before the spread = 257.3
YDS Per Game after the spread = 339.5
Or we can just look at the first six games of the spread which is 357.7 YDS per game.
With an AZ type D we might have been in the SB this year instead of Pittsburgh. Remember we lost at least 7 games by LESS than 7 points. Most of which we scored more than 2 touchdowns. If we had a credible D in both the SD, the last Denver game, the Jets game, the Tampa game, the NO game and even the Cincy game our record WOULD have been 9-7, which in case you missed it, wins our division!
Let me be clear, I am NOT advocating Chan for the job of HC. I don’t really think he would be a bad one based on the stats provided by DD and Primetime. I am more or less pissed off at the lack of respect for a coach that WON a SB as an OC (Hmmm, who won this years SB, oh yeah, NOT the great Todd Haley!), gets 11 wins per year as an OC for the Dolphins and goes to the playoffs both years he is the HC of the Cowboys.
Yes I know. He inherited a playoff caliber team with the Cowboys, but hey didn’t this years SB winning HC do the same. The Steelers are basically the same team that won the SB a few years ago, minus a bus and a couple of other players.
IF Pioli picks Haley for the HC job, then, as you have said many times Adam, IN PIOLI WE TRUST. I just wonder if that saying holds true if he decides to make Chan the HC instead. Does Pioli lose his credibility with you if he does? Do you no longer trust in Pioli?
Double D,
I agree the Haley mania is now bordering on the absurd. I’m sure shortly he will be given credit for inventing the forward pass, curing polio, and possibly being the second coming of the messiah.
Vrod:
“With an AZ type D we might have been in the SB this year instead of Pittsburgh”
Oh please! most teams can point to games they lost by less than 7 points. You are going way overboard on this.
V-Rod,
Pioli does lose credibility with me if he picks Gailey. Period. I don’t believe in Gailey, so they will have to make me a believer. Plain and simple. I’ll be on Chan’s ass like I was Herm’s until he silences me. But I doubt he gets the opportunity, too.
And I’m both a fan and a sportswriter, if I can’t offer dissent to my team in a country that was built on dissent than who in the hell can?
Merlin,
I agree. The average margin of victory in the NFL is less than seven points. Saying we lost games by 7 or less doesn’t mean much. Good teams find ways to win those games. We weren’t a good team.
Adam……..Did you really just go all Founding Fathers on us?
Jeremy,
Your plan makes a lot of sense, except for Chan and Thiggy. The only won one game together last year, and that was both a gimme and a struggle. Even with wholesale changes, do they really deserve another chance. Thiggy had a 52-percent completion number last season. That’s not good.
I do like Boley and Tauscher, but I prefer Dansby or Scott and Jason Browen. Maybe, like in my lastest BP, where have us signing one of my first two guys and then someone like Boley or Channing Crowder.
I don’t think you address the QB position, however, the most important one on the field.
dbk301,
YES! Because I can never criticize the front office without hearing things like…
Well, last time I checked, I was right about Brodie Croyle, Herm Edwards and the 2008 Chiefs, and a lot of people — MOST IMPORTANTLY THE CHIEFS! — were wrong. But that’s the life of covering sports. Nobody wants to remember when you were right, but everybody loves to remember when you were wrong.
Somtimes football is all about momentum..and hype.
So what if the Hype on Haley is out of control. Let’s get everyone excited…theplayers…the fans… the media… everyone. I am all for Haley…Hype or not. Haley is definitly an upgrade from Herm.
Adam, my only concern on drafting a QB with the our first pick is that a bust will set us back big time.
Trade for Cassel is scary too. Cassel will be in a new system, new OC, and could have a very difficult time adjusting.
I know you think otherwise, but becuase our team has a good many needs, I say play it safe on the QB, draft one in the second, third or even deeper.. just playing the QB situation safe, that is all. I bet that is what Pioli is going to do. A first round QB bust will blow his hype too.
Blind allegiance is a bad thing. That is what I don’t like all of the Pioli We Trust stuff I hear on the radio and see on all message boards. People are saying they will go along with whatever he does and not question it. I think he is a great hire and I’m glad the Chiefs have him, but I don’t think he is infallable. That attitude and mindset deprives oneself of one of the most important parts of being a fan………Bitching about your team and the stupid things they do with your buddies.
The Chiefs have received permission to interview Cardinals OC Todd Haley regarding their head-coaching vacancy.
Kansas City reportedly plans to announce it’s new head coach by the end of the week, although GM Scott Pioli still needs a minority candidate to interview for Rooney Rule purposes. Haley is almost certainly going to get the job.
Source: Kansas City Star
What’s absurd is wanting Gailey to be our head coach. Did the Lions promote Jim Colletto to offensive coordinator after last season? No. They are the dumbest franchise in pro sports, and even they were smart enough not to do something some of you want to do.
I can’t even read Chan Gailey’s name without almost having an aneurysm. Genuinely starting to dislike the man because of this absurdity.
I’ll tell you what…
I’ll guarantee right here, right now that Chan Gailey never, ever wins a Super Bowl as a head coach. If he does, I will literally bow down on my knees before Chan Gailey and worship him on a vlog. That’s a promise. But I’ll still never have to do it.
dbk301
After years of Petersen rule….
I am all on Pioli’s side until he proves otherwise.
Please accept my apology for being madly in love with him, but he is considered by all sources the best Personnel man in the business. Top NFL Exec award multiple times!!
Go Pioli….. I love you man!!!
Amen. But I also agree with Jeremy. In December, our traffic numbers were terrible. This month they are the best they have ever been. Chiefs Nation is excited, and we want to feed in to that. After all this doom and gloom, much of it coming from me, a little optimism is nice.
I do trust Pioli, too, but I will not blindy support any decision he makes. No way. Not my style. He’s 1/1 and about to be 2/2 on his moves as far as what I want, but I will be watching him. Closely. Despite his stature, we all should be.
Great points by both of you guys!
maybe I’m just drinking Adam’s Red and Gold Kool-Aid, but I’m now backing a Haley-Cassel-Crabtree Chiefs. The Super Bowl sold me on having two lights out WR’s making the offense go. Trade LJ for defensive help, develop D-Bowe another offseason’s worth, and even if Cassel is a bust, I like Thiggy running the spread with Crab and D-Bowe
Throw Up the X,
It does taste good, doesn’t it? And I do like Thiggy as a No. 2.
“Haley-Cassel-Crabtree Chiefs”
My computer just saw my “O face” right there. The thing about the Super Bowl was that the offense won it for the Steelers in the end. And it was a first-round receiver, too! If Whiz didn’t idiotically differ, Fitz would have had another 3 TD 160-yard game or so. No doubt in my mind.
I am curious who is saying Chan should be the HC?
If you get your wish, I hope the kid works out for the team. Do you think Tony will want to stay?