Yes! Whether or not you like the possibility of Michael Crabtree landing with the Chiefs or not, you’ve gotta admit that his inclusion in this draft class instantly makes it stronger. It’s not just Crabtree either — it seems like everybody is coming out. That not only bodes well for us potentially trading down, but also for our second- and third-round picks.
Personally, I think Crabtree is a no-brainer, as he is the safest pick on the board and the player most likely to contribute immediately. One way to ensure that a quarterback succeeds is to plug him into a golden situation. Look at Kurt Warner. MVP candidate each time he has two Pro Bowl-caliber receivers to throw to, back-up or Arena/World Football League fodder when he doesn’t. He’s a pretty good player, but I’m just saying. Here’s what the National Football Post had to say about him:
Has very little flaws to his game and might be the most polished receiver prospect to come out since Keyshawn Johnson. Crabtree looks like the safest pick in this years draft and will likely go somewhere within the first ten picks.
If the 2009 draft class was a cave, then Crabtree would definitely be my power animal. Somebody has to replace the gaping hole in my heart that was once reserved for Matt Ryan. And, yes, I just had on Fight Club. Check out Crabtree’s highlights after the jump:
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I’ve been fighting the notion of drafting Crabtree, because there are so many bigger needs, but he seems like the closest thing to a sure thing, and he will be a tremendous value when he inevtitably falls to three. I think this is great news for the Chiefs draft. There is something to be said for taking the best talent instead of reaching.
good. trade back and pick up a second and a third or a first in 2010. we need DE or LB
If we can trade back and get that kind of value, I’d be cool with it. We shall see.
Picking at #3 means picking BPA. Crabtree will be that. But if we can court someone who wants to trade up to grab the Crab, then that is my preference. As much as it would be great to have DBowe and Crabtree to compliment TG (should he remain a Chief) we have glaring needs at LB and DE. If we can trade back some spots where we can get Curry without reaching, that is my ideal. Otherwise, if we can’t find someone to take the #3 pick off our hands, let’s grab the Crab ourselves.
Two words: Trade Bait
Ok, Let me say this:
Did not watch Crabtree at all this year. After looking at these highlights, I will give you my impression….ehhh.
Not Bad, but not that great to me. Not at the third pick. Receivers don’t normally become awesome until thier third year.
D Bowes is our guy, we have other needs. Trade out and pick up some Defense!
If we don’t trade down… draft O-line and replace Mcintosh.
All of this depends on free agency. Let go Clark!! Scotty’s got work to do.
Jeremy, you really weren’t that impressed by these highlights? The crazy thing is that I believe none of these highlights were even from this year. They were all from his redshirt freshman campaign last year. I’ve just never heard someone say “not bad” about Michael Crabtree. Wow.
And I do agree with kcdan58 that a lot depends on FA. Then again, we still cannot reach at three. Picking Ryan Sims at six wrecked our franchise. Imagine what whiffing on the third pick would do?
Adam:
Whiffing on a high draft pick always sets a franchise back. WR’s are a notorious roll of the dice.
Adam,
I am just saying at three; I am not impressed. WR is not the way to go at three. That is all. Bradley and Bowe will be great. At this point we still have Gonzo, and can get someone to replace Webb/Darling/Franklin, later…
Trade down, or go OT, not sexy but smart…..
….and the Matt Ryan thing, you were right, but remember, We never got the chance…
I can virtually guarantee that these “names at the top” will all change after the combine. No that I put any stock in the combine ala Ghoulston/Mike Mamula
For all the people that want to trade down……..It has become a very rare thing for a team to trade up into the top 5. When you consider what you have to give up to do it and the added cost; teams are extremely reluctant to do it. I don’t think it will happen.
As for Crabtree, I wouldn’t want to take him at 3. I’d rather have Bradford or Stafford over him. I’d even rather have Curry over him. He is also too much like Bowe. Big strong guy and not great speed. I think if Harvin comes out maybe the Chiefs should look at someone like him in the second round. They need a speedy deep threat to compliment Bowe.
How many times must I say that if we really wanted Matt Ryan the St. Louis Rams were just a phone call away. We had the extra picks to make it happen, so, yeah, we definitely had a chance at Matty Ice. Totally could have leapfrogged Atlanta with a trade.
dbk301 is totally right about trading down — very hard to do in the top five. Then again, is someone is enamored with a quarterback it could happen.
Bowe, Crabtree, and Bradly working in a spread? How can this not give you a bit of a broner? Then throw in Tony? How do you cover 4 really good recievers? Double team one, they burn you on another.
I say trade the pick down a few spots, which will give us additional picks. With the 1st pick we need DE! followed by LB, and since crabtree will be gone, how about we pick up Percy Harvin, he’s a playmaker and very speedy, reminds me of Sproles. If we don’t pick up Sproles then I say we should take a good look at Harvin.
If we can’t trade down and have to pick 3rd. Then I say yes, grab the best available player and he should still be there.
To me it would be just like our 2003 season when we scored 30pts agame. I just can’t see us doing that again and have the worst defense in the league. I say trade down and PLEASE build this defense.
I want people to be scared of our defense and not our offense. I’m about fuckin over that shit. Scoring points in 2003 got us no where.
FIRE GUNTHER NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!
For the love of god don’t draft Crabtree. It’s not just that WR is hands-down the riskiest position in the draft, though that is part of it. It’s also that WR does not help a bad team improve. Here’s a list of every 1st round WR taken over the last 6 years and which team took them:
2008:
None
2007:
Calvin Johnson, Det
Ted Ginn Jr, Mia
DBowe, KC
Robert Meachem, NO
Craig Davis, SD
2006:
Santonio Holmes, Pit
2005:
Braylon Edwads, Cle
Troy Williamson, Min
Mike Williamson, Det
Matt Jones, Jax
Mark Clayton, TB
Roddy White, Atl
2004:
Larry Fitzgerald, Ari
Roy Williams, Det
Lee Evans, Buf
Rashaun Woods, SF
2003:
Charles Rodgers, Det
Andre Johnson, Hou
Bryant Johnson, Ari
There are only two teams on that whole list who have consistently made the playoffs over the last five years, and that is SD with Craig Davis and Pittsburgh with Santonio Holmes. Half of you don’t know who Davis is, and Holmes is a complimentary piece of the Pittsburgh offense.
Lets just look at the guys that are considered elite: Andre Johnson, Braylon Edwards (until he started dropping balls) , Calvin Johnson , Larry Fitzgerald, Dwayne Bowe, Lee Evans and Roddy White. Now let’s look at the records of the teams since they drafted them:
-Houston: drafted Johnson 2003, combined record 36-60. No playoff appearances
-Clevland: drafted Edwards 2005, combined record 24-40. No playoff appearances
-Detroit: drafted a fleet of WR’s since 2003: combined record 26-70. No playoff appearances.
-Arizona: drafted Fitzgerald 2004, combined record 33-47. One playoff appearances
-KC: drafted Bowe 2007, combined record 6-24. No playoff appearances
-Buffalo: drafted Evans 2004, combined record 35-45. No playoff appearances
-Atlanta: drafted White 2005, combined record 30-38. One playoff appearance.
What does all this mean? The combined record of all the teams that drafted a stud WR in the 1st round is 237-324 with 2 playoff appearances. Now I know, these are bad teams. But that’s the whole point. Any one of these WR’s would be a borderline # 1 on any team in the league. With that said, not one of them is good enough to lift their crappy team to even .500 football. The numbers don’t lie. And does anyone here doubt that the Chiefs are a bad team?
Stay away from Crabtree like the plague. Oh, and fire Herm and Gunther.
Defense first IMO. Sure Warner had great seasons when he was given two huge weapons on the outside. But lets not forget the fact that in both situations he also had a top 5 draft pick playing tackle on his O-line in Pace and Levi Brown. Would it hurt to pass on C-tree only to see him shine down the road for someone else? Sure it would. But would it hurt worse to have a horrible defense and an O-line that couldn’t block a Jehovah’s Witness from knockin on your door? I just can’t get the image of Peter Warrick out of my mind.
Be forewarned, this may be kind of long. I read this blog often, but don’t really find the time to comment as much as I would like.
For those not sold on Crabtree, I think you are crazy. Yes, taking a WR high in the first round is very risky and failing sets an organization back years, but I think Crabtree is the exception to this trend. Mushin9, I like your analysis, but I think everyone knows about the terrible teams that draft WRs in the first round. These organizations mismanagement goes far beyond just picking up WRs. Plus, the same argument could be made for QB. Either you hit a home run or you strike out with skill positions high in the first round. Crabtree seems to posess all the skills and from what I hear, doesn’t have your typical flashy WR personality. In short, I think he is the best WR prospect in a long time.
All that said, I am still not sold on picking him third. I believe in the BPA philosophy as well, but it should be in the context of how big a difference there is between the BPA and the 2nd BPA, as well as what we need at that position. Although the thought of having Crabtree, D-Bowe, and Tony G out there at the same time makes me feel kind of like a 14 year old at the playboy mansion, WR is probably like 10th on our list of needs. As far as the next BPA, ultimately I will withhold my judgement until after the combine, but O-line seems to fit right now. I think we need LB or DE more, but we would be reaching if we filled that need at third. O-line is much safer and I want McIntosh gone. If I have to watch a DE come across his face untouched or watch him try to fall on a ball after his man stripped the qb one more time next season, I am going to put my remote through my tv. Like I said, I will reserve judgement until after the combine and FA on what we should do, but this is what I am thinking right now.
I think most can agree that trading down would be ideal, because we need LBs and DEs most and there is not much available at 3. It is definitely hard to trade out of the top five and probably unlikely, but if any team ever had a good chance, we do. If Crabtree is still available at 4, I am 83% confident the Seahawks will take him. If another team is as high on him as some of us are, someone might try and move up. The question is who. I would like to trade down into the 7,8,9 spot ideally, but the only team I think that would do that is….yeah…the Raiders. And I don’t want to see Crabtree lining up in Silver and Black twice a year for the foreseeable future, even though with all Crabtree’s skills, Russell would find a way to put to much air under the ball. So if he doesn’t go to the Raiders, who would want him? And what would we need in return to trade out? Adam, I think this is an article that needs to be written at some point, even if it is kind of early. Especially since most of us would like to trade out of the 3rd pick.
I’ve been screaming on this site for Andre Smith, and though he’s probably not making it past the Rams, I think he’s the sure thing. I like Crabtree a lot, but if Smith falls to 3, we can’t afford to pass. We all know that we need more O linemen.
We need to get Aaron Curry or Andre Smith in this years draft!!! I even like Michael Oher. Im kinda back pedaling on Crbtree a little this morning. I feel more comfortable getting an offensive lineman/ defensive lineman and LB.
Adam
I believe that we should not take a qb with the first pick becasue I really do not see any of them being complete studs, I also believe orakpo is not worth the number three pick. so I am beginning to think that Crabtree is NOT a horrible option and would be a good pick but I believe that Smith, Curry or Oher would be better picks, if we were picking 5 or 6 and the choice came down to Stafford or Crabtree I would much rather have Crabtree, so I do not think you are way off but I believe that we can still pick BPA without getting Crabtree and also get a need.
All i got to say is the boy(crabtree) is a piece of art and with our position we need to grab him. In the later rounds we can pick up linebackers and lineman on both sides
My plan is this:
Sign Suggs DE, sign Lance Moore WR, sign OT Jordan Gross.
Draft: Trade down to #10 With San Fran. get their second rounder.
R1 #10 S Taylor Mays USC
R2 #34 LB Brandon Spikes Florida
R2 #43 LB Dannell Ellerbe Georgia
R3 #67 OG Herman Johnson LSU
R4 #98 OC Antione Caldwell Alabama
R5 #131 LB Darry Beckwith LSU
R6 #162 DE Michael Bennett Texas A&M
R7 #194 QB ?
If Curry is there at #10 we would take him, but I doubt it. If Spikes is gone at #34 take Clint Sintim LB Virgina.
More radical plan:
Trade LJ and Tony G. to Arizona for their first and second. This could only happen if LJ and Tony make some salary concessions, which they would to leave.
Sign Suggs DE, sign Lance Moore WR, sign OT Jordan Gross.
Draft: Trade down to #10 With San Fran. get their second rounder.
R1 #10 S Taylor Mays USC
R1 #26 DT Peria Jerry Mississippi
R2 #34 OG Herman Johnson LSU
R2 #43 LB Dannell Ellerbe Georgia
R2 #60 C Eric Wood Louisville
R3 #67 TE Jared Cook South Carolina
R4 #98 LB Jonathan Casillas Wisconsin
R5#131 RB Jeremiah Johnson Oregon
R6#162 DE Michael Bennett Texas A&M
R7#194 QB?
I agree with 102win on tradin Larry but not tony, i think we could get a first rounder out of him through seattle
R1:Rey Mauluga
R1:Michael Crabtree
R2:Brian Cushing
R3:defensive end
R4:Offensive Tackle
R5:Center
R6:offensive Guard
R7: BPA
quote: “R6 #162 DE Michael Bennett Texas A&M”
YES!!!!! I’d love to see another Aggie playing for the Chiefs. His brother Martellus just finished his rookie season for the ‘boys at TE. Had four game streak of catching a TD pass. Mike Bennett is an athlete that can move around very well