AADQ: The Next Chiefs Head Coach

best summed up by Don Banks, SI:

"Speaking of McDaniels and Crennel and Mangini, the whole idea of hiring an ex-Patriots coordinator as your head coach isn't working out all that well, is it? Crennel made it just four seasons in Cleveland, never making the playoffs. Mangini got the boot in New York after going 23-26 in three seasons, and last I checked, they're not building any statues of Charlie Weis at Notre Dame."

I heard this morning that Clark had talked to Marty about some kind of VP role as in the version of a kind of Bill Parcels role in Miami.

I wouldn't mind Cower but don't most of you addicts hate conservative coaches. Which is exactly what Cower is, so much so that Big Ben and him even butted heads about it.

Yeah I'm the one who you all(Adam and Eric I believe) said I gave Harm all the credit for everything in the world. I guess that looking back at what I wrote you could make that assumption. Even though I read somewhere that it's ok for addicts to have a little friendly difference of opinion and even though I was trying to be optimistic and use actual records(from Jets sight compared to Parcels) and facts(about injuries) instead of opinions. According to you 2 I was just a big dumb-ass and you were glad I left my opinions out of later comment sections. That just goes to show what happens when you assume only this time it was just you 2, not me.

I know I said I would be back more often but hey, I have to work for a living, take care of and worry about my beautiful 17 year old daughter and I can't just be on the net all the time.

There are still things I do not like about Harm but the thing I hated the most was him being so damn stubborn and unwilling to change. He did finally realize that hey "change is good"(offense) and got good results. And I still say we could have been worse off.

Like I said earlier I was trying to be optimistic about the whole situation but I am kind of leaning toward a new HC now but then again it wouldn't surprise me or piss me off if Clark keeps him.

Actually I would get a little enjoyment out of it just to see what you 2 "Great Football Masterminds" would have to say. I'm sure your FSB Titans site was saying the same kinds of things about Jeff Fisher when they basically did the same thing a few years back because of cap mismanagement.

Whatever happens our future is still bright and can go nowhere but up.

On a side note I wouldn't mind somehow getting that Pat White as long as he falls into like the third round or so. The only QB ever to win 4 bowl games and looked pretty good in his last one(his personal best career game too). Does anybody think he'll last that long?

I say we keep Herm Edwards. I feel the team should give him one more year.I know it will be the new GM's choice to keep him or not but; I Absolutely say we get rid of Gunther Cunningham.

It wasn't like we were expecting some great season this year. Could we have won some more games? You bet your ass, but were really close to being on top of our division once again.

I think people don't know what to expect from this team. So the easiest thing to do is say fire the coach. Well F that

You make a good point Merlin, our new GM could suck.

Wait now I am so sick of hearing about Bill Cowher, not that i dont respect the man but it took him 14 years to win a super bowl, but everyone wants to fire herm after 3 years. I'm sorry but that logic makes no sense to me, it will be just like the 90's we'll win everything but a super bowl

Hazaaaaa....Exciting time isnt it...

But that is why I want Colbert or Pioli...

Colbert can deliver Cowher and Pioli would be solid no matter who is HC...

This is a fun discussion, but this is really step two. Step one is finding a GM. Then we can see if Herm will be sent packing and who would come in and replace him. The new GM is probably going to raid his team and perhaps the teams in his old division for talent.

I agree with Adam, I raised hell when I heard we hired Herm. I was in shock and I was furious after that. Herm is a loser. He plays not to lose when it counts.

I'm not sold on a first time head coach, and I'd take Cowher but I think we need to find a coach that has won without a defense like a Mike Martz-type or someone of his ilk...maybe some spread guru coach or something that not many people have heard about.

This season has shown that flashy offenses can be effective in moving the ball in todays NFL...and QB is the key to that sort of offense. You have to have an ACUURATE passer, that's why Brees and Warner lead the league.

Maine, I have always been a bigger anti-Herm guy. I have also always said that Carl's biggest all-time mistake -- other than picking Grbac over Gannon and drafting Sims -- was hiring Herm Edwards. I'm not one who bitches just to bitch.

Um yes and lost in the kind of crushing defeat Chiefs fans are used too. Nobody in Philly is proud of that game. I want a coach who can take us all the way and win the big one.

I keep hearing people say Marty / Cowher...

I read in Ernie Accori's book about when Marty was in Cleveland and he had no desire whatsoever to be strictly a personnel guy. Partially because he loved coaching so much and partially because he wasn't very good at it, lol. But people keep suggesting him and Cowher would be good together...

My opinion is that if Cowher was to come here he would bring his own guy (Kevin Colbert) with him. So what is one way to make sure Cowher likes KC better than his other options? Hire Kevin Colbert now. There is little to no downside I can think of.

The Steelers have been one of the most consistently good teams for the past 20 years and this man has learned how that is done...

This man could get Cowher here and make KC into Pittsburgh West...

(And yes, I do consistently change my opinion on who the team should hire...just wait til tomorrow!)

Does anybody else like the idea of Bob Stoops as our new head coach?

Yeah yeah Adam I know. But I am not alone. You are just mad you don't have Peterson to bitch about anymore, so you need a new target. If they fire Herm, you will start lobbying for the head groundskeeper to be fired LOL.

Still supporting Herm is like still supporting Dubya. No offense, but yuck.

Um...Dick Vermeil made the Super Bowl with the Eagles.

When you say young coach I cant get the 1980 Eagles out of my head. With the links the Chiefs have had to them since that season and the mistakes that were made by the organization during that year, I just shy away from an eager young coach like Dick V was.

I have 2 names for you. I believe we need a former defensive coordinator as our new head coach. The right person should also have a proven track record as a coordinator - not just a good short term record. Assuming Bill Cowher is out, their are 2 guys who meet the requirements.

Jim Schwantz has been the defensive coordinator for the Titans for 8 years. He is only 42 years old, and has been coaching the defensive side of the ball since he was 26. His defensive signature is a stout run defense.

Mike Trgovac has been the defensive coordinator of the Panthers for 7 years. Prior to that assignment he had been a very successful defensive line coach in both college and the pros. His defensive style produces a lot of turnovers and relies on pressuring the QB.

I have heard Schwantz mentioned as a head coach candidate before, but for whatever reason I have never heard of anyone interviewing Trgovac for a vacancy. Both coordinators have long successful tenures on perennially strong defenses.

That being said I still support Herman Edwards as my #1 choice. The man has earned a shot after the hell he was put through this year (no veterans, massive injuries, etc.)

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Chiefs should just relocate to Paris and get it over with. White flags, gay accent, homosexual activity, trade Tony G for a 3rd, and other limp wristed moves of faggotry.

Adam:

I think the point you are driving at is that our next head coach has to have the drive to prove himself. He doesn't have to be a first time coach, but he has to have that drive. I agree with you. Just a note about Jimmy Johnson. As good as he was with the Cowboys, he is also the head coach who came to Miami and told Dan Marino. Sorry, you can not audible on my team. There is time when ego gets in the way of using the players effectively. That was one of those moments.

Steve Spagnuolo would be a good choice as well.

I always go back to what Jimmy Johnson said about his Dolphins comeback and how it was more about being bored and the large chunk of money being thrown at him. Reading his thoughts on how to rebuild a franchise totally changed my POV. What more does a Billeck or Cowher have to accomplish? What kind of inner-conflict would they be dealing with after they left their cozy studio job for the Chiefs mess?

I just really, really want a first-time coach, some new blood. After 20 years of Peterson and doing things the same way I think that's the way to go. Clark Hunt has something to prove, and I think it would work best if the football people he brings in are the same way.

I would like to see a defensive guy as head coach. Steve Spagnuolo is a good choice.

Pioli - Billick '09

Yes We Can!

I think you are right that comparing them is different...But only in that Weiss was far MORE qualified to take over a team and he still performed poorly after leaving the Belichick nest of sorts.

Harbaugh and Smith have done well...but the gamble that it will keep on happening and that we would find the right man is too risky, to me.

I would rather have a man that has led a team to a Superbowl and won, not to mention separately guiding the NFL's 2nd most prolific offense. And then add to the mix the defensive coordinator of one of the most dominating D's in history....AND that they have worked great together before and obviously have chemistry. There is no losing if you hire Billick/Nolan in my eyes...You basically get two head coaches, both have coordinated some of the top performing units on their respective sides of the ball. It is a no brainer to me...

Comparing Weiss to McDaniels is like comparing apples to oranges. And Crennel was a defensive coordinator who went to fix a team that is essentially a 10-year-old expansion team. New blood is the way to go. Just look at Harbough and Smith.

I'm not to impressed with coordinators from new england in head coaching jobs. Crennel in Cleveland is kind of a bust and Weis at Notre Dame is a huge bust. I think in three or four years if MCdaniels is offense is still running well than he could be a real hot commodity but i don't think he is ready

McDaniels has been in the league a dangerously short amount of time...

From ChiefDJ at AP:

McDaniels joined the Patriots in 2001 as a personnel assistant. From 2002 to 2003, he served as a defensive coaching assistant for the team, working with the defensive backs in 2003. In 2004, he became the team’s quarterbacks coach. After offensive coordinator Charlie Weis left the team following the 2004 season, the Patriots went without an offensive coordinator for the 2005 season, though it is suspected that McDaniels called the offensive plays for the season. After the season, McDaniels was officially promoted to offensive coordinator, while retaining his responsibilities coaching the team’s quarterbacks.

Pioli McDaniels would be an exciting team up though.

You know what I think we need proven experience, not experiements with a young unproven coach.

There are a ton of qualified guys out there really. I don't see anything at all wrong with alot of the retread guys that are out there in people like Jim Fassel, Denny Green, Brian Billick (with Mike Nolan as DC, oooOOOooo), etc....Some of these guys are great coaches that are just sitting and waiting for work.

On the other hand, there are unknowns that are out there. I want to dispel maybe the notion that these young guys can offer any sort of innovation or new ideas. They are Assistant coaches for a reason, some of them you can say youth but alot of them are plenty old enough and have been looked at (and passed up) for a number of INFERIOR positions than ours. Their success can be attributed to great Head Coaches like Belichick and Fisher or great personnel men who have bought the groceries they slapped a team together with. These candidates would include, obviously: McDaniels, Jim Schwartz, etc.

I duno what we will do, it is up to the next GM, obviously. I do have a feeling if it is Pioli it would obviously become McDaniels...but none of us know...I just kind of wanted to offer up the retread for consideration...There are Superbowl coaches out there that have plenty to offer us without us taking the major gamble of hiring some young buck...

that is all

Marty Shottenheimer-GM
Bill Cowher-Head Coach