DeAngelo Hall Campaign Part II?
So, looks like we are back to where we started with the Chiefs and our big offseason campaign. I really don’t understand DeAngelo Hall’s release, as he’s played pretty welll despite playing for a new team and opposite the league’s best corner in Nnamdi Asomugha. I think this is just another case of Al Davis coming out of denial about his Raiders, freaking out and cleaning house. The Crypt Keeper sure likes making heads roll, even though more often than not the fault is really all his. From NFL.com:
Two years removed from his second Pro Bowl, cornerback DeAngelo Hall said he doesn’t think his release from the Oakland Raiders eight games into the season has damaged his reputation as a good player or, he hopes, as a person.
“I don’t think so,” Hall said Wednesday, hours after he was officially released by the Raiders. “As bad as people may think I’m playing, I’m not playing all that bad. I’ve got about 50 tackles (48), (13) pass breakups, three picks — one off the league lead — and I’ve dropped a lot. I’m feeling good. I think if I get in a scheme that fits me, that will benefit me.
“I want the world to know that this didn’t happen because I was a dirt bag and messing around. A lot of people were making me out to be a (bad person). It is what it is, a business decision. (Team owner) Al Davis assured me that it had nothing to do with me, the person. It was a financial thing.”
I’ve watched the Raiders some, and I actually thought Hall played pretty decent opposite Asomugha, who teams simply are not challenging at all. Regardless of saying all the right things, you know Hall will be eager to stick it to Davis and his Silver and Black. He’s also said that money and playing for a contender aren’t necessarily important to him at this point. Could we get him for 60 cents on the dollar? Would he help us recruit his boy Michael Vick? As bad as our cornerbacks not name Brandon have looked, it’s a thought. All that being said…
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Not sure I understand this. Brandon Flowers and Brandon Carr are playing well. Very well, in fact. They’re both younger and cheaper than Hall.
Plus, if we wanted to pick him up on waivers a price tag would come with it. His base salary of $1 million would be prorated to somewhere between 400k-500k but also he has a non-injury guarantee in his deal. Meaning, if he gets injured while he’s with us then another $16.5 million becomes guaranteed.
Plus he’s a loudmouth which Herm would NEVER go for in the first place. There’s no chance the Chiefs pick him up nor should they be looking.
November 6th, 2008 at 4:08 pmYeah, the thing about that is that if Herm doesn’t want him I’d want him more. I’ll have to look into that guarantee. I’m not a salary capologist, but I now we have enough money to afford Hall…easy.
November 6th, 2008 at 4:44 pmAdam:
Michael Vick, DeAngelo Hall? Are you looking at building a NFL team or running a half way house?
November 6th, 2008 at 4:44 pmI’d rather run a halfway house than a half-ass house, my man. Presently, we are doing the latter
Plus, when has DeAngelo Hall ever gotten into any off-the-field trouble? Not a bad kid. A little outspoken, but everybody was with that idiot Petrino.
November 6th, 2008 at 4:46 pmKnock out either one of the Brandons and then whaddya ya got? Brackenridge?? Leggett???
Pick him for the rest of the season with an option to extend. He’s young (24) and good. He solves the problem about how to replace Surtain without using up an early draft choice, gives us needed depth and insurance. We have the cap space, he fits the rebuilding plan and the defensive scheme so hell ya, pull the damn trigger on this guy!
Funny how guys who look bad with the Raiders somehow seem to thrive elsewhere (e.g., Randy Moss).
November 6th, 2008 at 5:24 pmAdam, Herm’s wrong on a lot of things, but one thing he’s done an outstanding job of is keeping an energetic locker room. He’s brought in a lot of character guys.
A few years ago, we saw Charles Woodson explode on his team and Deangelo Hall get so flustered he was getting tagged with a bunch of personal fouls. And we’ve seen what a pain in the butt Lj’s been.
Keep these low character guys out of the Chiefs’ locker room.
November 6th, 2008 at 7:06 pmre: “Low character guys”…wholeheartedly agree. This would be an awful signing for the Chiefs, especially if it was a half season rental.
November 6th, 2008 at 7:28 pmwhos place would he take?
November 6th, 2008 at 7:34 pmAdam,
I occasionally disagree with you but usually I can see your point. I have to say on this occasion you are completely insane. You remind me of Jerry Jones with your recent “big name” fixation. 3 indisputable facts:
1. Hall sucks. It was reported today that he leads the NFL in yards allowed (apparently someone tracks this). Even in Atlanta he made his name with flashy plays and was not consistent. In Oakland he has been exposed more due to the elite CB opposite him.
2. The Chiefs have 2 possible 10 year starters at CB. They could use a better nickel back to develop, but he isn’t going to be willing to be a nickel back.
3. He’s a cancer.
Adam, take your meds! LOL
November 6th, 2008 at 7:36 pmI’d rather have low character than low intelligence (Harm Edwards) and low winning percentage. Besides, Hall doesn’t deserve his rep.
Charles Woodson? Chuck became a Pro Bowler when he bounced from Al’s prison. Remember? Charles is a leader on a Super Bowl contender now.
November 6th, 2008 at 7:39 pmPeople said I had a big name fixation back when I touted Matt Ryan, too, Maine, and we all know how that worked out for them. I just care more about winning than money, which apparently the Chiefs do not.
November 6th, 2008 at 8:28 pmI don’t want Oakland’s garbage on my doorstep. Hall was playing so well that Oakland released him. Nice. But no thanks.
November 6th, 2008 at 9:32 pmOakland also got rid of Charles Woodson and Randy Moss recently. Remember Marcus Allen? Yeah, they once got rid of him, too.
Hall was playing fine. What I cannot understand is why the Raiders didn’t cut Javon Walker instead. That makes absolutely no sense at all, but when do the Raiders make sense?
November 6th, 2008 at 10:47 pmI am not against picking up Hall for the right price at this point. My buddy, who is a Raiders fan, was blown away when he heard Hall was getting released. Definitely a “give up” move. Asomugha is an absolute friggin stud, by the way.
November 6th, 2008 at 11:56 pmYou’re right, KCM. I won’t play a WR in fantasy against him. Maybe like Boldin or somebody, but he is a shutdown corner if I’ve ever seen one. Look at Derrick Mason’s last three games:
1.) 6 rec, 87 yards, 1 TD
2.) 1 rec, 3 yards
3.) 9 rec, 136 yards, 1 TD
Which game do you think he was matched up against Asomugha? That’s another reason why this is crazy. Teams had to go at DeAngelo because going at Nnamdi is suicide. His numbers aren’t bad at all either.
November 7th, 2008 at 1:18 amWell. Maybe if we can get him cheap. I dunno about the 16 million guaranteed if he gets hurt. I think walk if that crap is included.
Oh and Adam, Dorsey was still the best choice for us over Ryan. With this O-line in place, Ryan would have suffered a separated rectum by the 2nd game. We need a sherman tank at QB right now, not an F-22 raptor. And on that note, how about ole Pigpin? I still cant believe he is getting it done. I say, either snag Bradford (if he declares) in 09, or stick with Pigpen.
I’m still thinking Ray Maligula 1st and Alex Mack 2nd. Try n trade down for Maligula and pick up another 2nd rounder. Its all still in the works though.
Oh…and Yay we got Barth back. He was always my fave. Anyone who looks like Napoleon Dynamite…you gota know hez a clench player..yessss.
Oh…and Mr. Robinson is finally activated. Im dieing to see if he can return balls.
November 7th, 2008 at 3:35 amHall was in the wrong system (man-to-man). He thrives playing zone.
Who would he replace? Surtain would be at the top of my list.
Dude’s a 5 year veteran who’s still young (just this side of 25), blazingly fast with 2 pro bowls on his resume. Don’t be stupid, just like Moss, Allen, and Woodson, Oakland’s high-profile trash is generally somebody else’s high-profile treasure. No disrespect to Carr or Flowers but frankly I’d start Hall in a heartbeat over any of our current corners.
November 7th, 2008 at 10:03 am#1 – The problem here is that you’re confusing athleticism with the ability to play. Hall is a good corner. But he has a terrible attitude. He struggles against top receivers because once he blows one coverage, he loses complete focus. Not just a little, I’m talking about a complete meltdown. Often times, he gets so frustrated that he gets tagged with really stupid personal fouls. He gambles way more than he should and gives up a LOT of big plays. That’s the story on his playing ability.
#2 – His locker room attitude is horrible. TO/Keyshawn level horrible. The Falcons couldn’t wait to get rid of him. One of the great things going for the Chiefs is they have an outstanding locker room. If any of you think signing LJ would be a mistake, double that for Hall
#3 – Hall would be extremely expensive. There’s no reason to pay that much money when you have two young corners who are playing outstanding and you have a system that doesn’t require much of their CBs
CBs are great to have, but they’re not thay important. I would MUCH rather spend huge dough on getting some LBs or defensive linemen. No point in bringing in yet another corner when the front 7 still doesn’t do their job.
November 7th, 2008 at 10:39 amMaster,
I think I’ll stick with my assessment of Ryan over anyone. No offense, but you were the guy who preferred GB’s No. 3 QB, Brian Brohm, to Ryan.
And I agree with Double D that Hall is better than either of our corners. Faster, too.
November 7th, 2008 at 12:41 pmAdam I will just sit here and tell you that really I laugh at you opinion some times. I mean seriously, Michael Vick? And to be honest with you your opinion on Matt Ryan doesn’t matter anyways man. He was taken two picks in front of us, and really wasn’t worth the risk of jumping up in front of the falcons to take him. don’t get me wrong he is doing great but we didn’t have a shot at him. And frankly he would be getting destroyed here. Now back to Chiefzilla I completely agree with you. Hall does have talent but he has no class what so ever and that’s not what we need to bring in to this young locker room, I mean you want to go to his interceptions I’ll point out just in the Broncos game he had two ridiculous penalties that cost them points. The guy is a cancer and I don’t care how good he is, cancers ruin teams.
November 7th, 2008 at 1:09 pm