25 Oct
Chiefs Comment Vlog: Vick-tim Of Hypocrisy?
Three things:
- This is an incendiary topic and vlog that is guaranteed to ruffle some feathers. The views expressed in this vlog on Michael Vick, the Chiefs and everything else discussed are mine and mine only, not those of my fellow staff members and Addicts.
- There is some bad language and I use George W. Bush to bring a new perspective to the Vick situation. If that’s going to get your boxers, briefs or panties in a bunch, just do us both a favor and pretend this vlog never happened.
- I have excluded Larry Johnson because he’s going to be the topic of my next Chiefs Comment.
All that being said, enjoy and feel free to debate and discuss in the comments…
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I dont think the question in my mind is if he can be forgiven, its what quality of play we can get out of him when he gets out. I think he will be rusty as hell, and he will be 29 when he gets out. I think we would have to wait until midseason before we can even start playing him. That said IF the front office can get him, IF he can come back and play and MOST IMPORTANTLY IF the NFL does not extend any suspensions to him then I would say pull the trigger.
October 25th, 2008 at 10:06 amNo - No - and hell no!
October 25th, 2008 at 11:23 amDo you like dags?
Yeah…I like dogs.
I like quarterbacks more….
Hey, my take on Vick was that he just wasn’t a good passer, and that’s what we need, but I’m more than willing to give him a shot.
October 25th, 2008 at 11:57 amNO
use the first round pick this year on a stud QB and give him a year to develop under Gray. Vick has been out of football too long and is pushing 30. Besides, the media will be all over KC like flies on shit and that isnt good for our young team.
NO VICK!
October 25th, 2008 at 12:19 pmALSO
October 25th, 2008 at 12:20 pmBoot LJ’s ass to the curb, he’s a discrace!
It is shocking Chiefs fans want the most notorious criminal ever in the NFL. It’s actually sick. Hearing you defense Vick is just bizarre, unfortunate and shows you are an animal hater. A pure animal hater. Arrowhead Addict is an animal hater.
October 25th, 2008 at 5:11 pmDo us all a favor and just (Shut-up) Landry hat:
I have never heard so many dumb-ass comments in my life. Is your board so dead that you always have to vulture your weak ass over here.
Anyways - before “dirty laundry” showed up I was going to say that I have been watching Stafford the last few weeks after a few people said he was overrated - but I am really digging this kid!
Adam - I know you are really down on our QB situation right now but Vick is the wrong way to go. Stafford is becoming my option A.
October 25th, 2008 at 5:37 pmIf I’m an animal hater, and A.A. is an animal hater, then The Landry Hat is a people hater. Pacman Jones crippled a human being. Who knows what Tank Johnson was going to do with those assault rifles. I doubt shoot moose with Palin. The last person I want to hear from on this vlog is a Cowboys fan. Talk about hypocrisy. And O.J. and Rae Carruth are way, way more notorious than Vick. You’re unbelievable, dude.
Oh, by the way, I used to have a Siamese cat named Tinsley that was my homey. I am by no means an animal hater. I just have some perspective on the matter. Human beings > animals = I’m a bad person? Um, no…
October 25th, 2008 at 5:39 pmOh and Adam - take that jersey off.
You look like shit in it.
October 25th, 2008 at 5:47 pmForgiveness is a Godly thing. I agree. It’s a wonderful Judeo-Christian trait.
However, there has to be a limit. The old saying that if you give them an inch they’ll take a mile is true. The NFL gave in on Jamal Lewis, Pacman Jones and dozens of others. Is there hypocrisy afoot if Michael Vick isn’t reinstated? Perhaps.
The problem is establishing the precedent in the first place. There should be absolutely no place for convicted felons in the NFL. The average employer would reject such an applicant.
As for Dubya - The American people should have rejected this war mongerer years ago. A felon is a felon and the only place for them is prison unless they are strapped to a table for lethal injection.
Bush’s charge to war was reprehensible and the deaths of 4,000 of my fellow veterans is unforgivable (my brief lack of Judeo-Christian ethics) and should be punished.
We impeached the President for receiving oral sex in his office. Why can we not, more importantly why DID WE NOT, impeach the President for war crimes?
Vick is a scum bag and I’m not so sure that that is debatable. But his crime is nowhere near what Dubya did. I still wouldn’t hire either one of these men to play football for my NFL franchise.
October 25th, 2008 at 6:05 pmHey…how bout we leave the sketchy politics out of the football forums…yea, thatd be swell…Not to make light of 4,000 military casualties or to ignore that the war is an important issue…but…time and place man…
The Vick thing…ehhhh I think he will be reinstated at some point, but I dont think he is worth looking into. Look at the way he was playing before he got into trouble even. People had begun to realize that he is not a great passer and when defenses key on him runnin all the damned time he is a liability more than an advantage. That is not to mention his horrible attitude and influence in the locker room…I agree Adam that his crimes should not keep him from returning to the NFL, but I dont want him on my team…
And Landry Hat has no arguement considering the historical makeup of his team…Theres a lot of illegal drugs and guns in that history…It’s funny how they can act so smug and whatnot that they are Cowboys fans but their drought of playoff wins is almost as long as ours…America’s team my ass…
October 25th, 2008 at 6:58 pmThe Chiefs seem to have worked very hard to bring in high character personnel, so Vick would be senseless. Even if he has paid for the crime, it doesn’t mean he is sorry for it. As Woody said, his attitude and locker room drama, would not be a good example for our players.
Sorry, but I just can’t let ignorance go without at least a comment: CatCrave, you obviously only listen to or read the hate and lie political blogs, because if you had a clue about AQ and the Islamic extremist mentality, you wouldn’t say that. I’m in Iraq now, and know how much they hate anyone that doesn’t conform to their specific belief…even fellow Muslims, and are taught to hate and kill ALL who don’t follow them. This IS a world wide battle that must be done to protect our homeland. Please, be thankful that you are safer now than ever before, and be thankful that the battle is not in the U.S. Again, my apologies to all for digressing.
Enjoy the freedom to go to games and live life in relative peace. Go Chiefs!
October 25th, 2008 at 7:27 pmI’ve said this before and I’ll say it again. I DO want Michael Vick to be a Chief. Just NOT as a QB. He has the same arm qualities as Thigpen.. Virtually no touch. Sure, he can wing it when he has to, but when he can’t hit a dude rolling the same direction as him, 5 yards downfield, F that. F that hard, in the A. We’re seeing it with Thiggy, and really I don’t wanna see it again. At least not in Red and Gold.
Think about what makes Vick, Vick. His running. We could use him like the ‘Skins use Randle El (gadget plays, WR option passes, reverses, etc etc) and we could also use him as we’re now using Charles, to a degree. Remember that 4-WR set, with trips to the right, we saw in pre-season so damn much? Think about that formation, with Tony G. and a WR who will actually block (not D-bowe, he isn’t the most able of blockers, and he’ll be the lone WR on the other side anyway,) in front of him. Quick little WR screen pass to Vick, where he can choose to run it, throw it (yikes!) or throw it back to the QB. I’m not saying we become a gadget team, but knowing we CAN run stuff like that, makes coaches HAVE to prepare for it. Which means they have less time to prepare for other things we’re doing.
It COULD work, with him at QB. Then again it could be a major disappointment. It COULD work for him to be a ‘Slash’ type WR/slot-man/H-back. Maybe not, but I’d rather that fail, than have to watch wide open receivers get the ball thrown to their feet, or 12 feet over their heads, like we have to endure when Tyler Thigpen throws.
And I kinda agree with Woody. George Bush is a fucktard, but on a Chiefs forum is the last place we should be talking about that at. We have enough problems in Kansas City, let’s not remind ourselves that our president is a worthless bastard, eh?
October 25th, 2008 at 7:56 pmWell, fellas in this case President Bush had to be used in order to illustrate the hypocrisy of the way society views Michael Vick. Vick is being held to a different standard than other athletes and even a different one than our President is. Some perspective was sorely needed, and this was the only way to really provide it. And, again, pop culture and politics are occasionally part of this blog.
Enjoying everybody’s comments, though. Well, except for The Landry Hat’s.
October 25th, 2008 at 8:23 pmWell Adam…..I for one enjoy reading the comments of “the Landry Hat’s”. It seems like whenever they open their mouths to talk down on us lowlife Chiefs fans(in their opinion only); they end up putting their shit-covered boots into their wide open mouths. Their mouths are always a couple of sentences ahead of their brains and probably always will be
October 25th, 2008 at 8:38 pmAdam:
The Bush analogy just doesn’t work because if you accept it, then many, many things would be justified? Why did you blow up that schoolbus with 50 kids on it? Don’t go after me, Bush is worse. That argument just doesn’t work.
OJ is still regarding as a bigger pariah than Vick. I do think Vick will get a second chance in the NFL. I don’t want him for two major reasons. 1] I don’t like him as a QB. He has never really learned to become a NFL passer. I don’t think he can make that transition. 2] I do have character concerns about him and I would not want him on my team. Let the Raiders or Dallas or the Ravens take these players.
Your Vlog never really addressed why you think Vick would be a good football fit for us. I look forward to hearing that.
October 25th, 2008 at 9:38 pmI agree that we as individuals should be capable of forgiving him. Though I hasten to add that forgiveness need not entail a complete trust until he has demonstrated himself capable of living a clean life outside of coercive detention. For that reason, I would also understand if the league were to sit for awhile on any decision to reinstate him (or any team to pick him up for that matter). I would also understand if the league or any team would be hesitant for public relations reasons (though that gets back to how we agree that the general public should consider his debt to society paid). With all of that said, I’m not necessarily convinced of his ability to be a successful starting QB (though I do not doubt his talent and athleticism) to the point where I’d even want him on the team. He would have to come REAL cheap to consider it worth the risk.
Regarding the Bush Administration comparison: that is complete, total, thorough rubbish. I may like sushi but I’ve never been a fan of the red herring rolls. I am a Ron Paul libertarian non-inventionalist that understands WAR IS HELL and not something to be taken lightly. And though I would be the first to concur that the decision to go into Iraq was imprudent, unwise, costly, counterproductive, inflationary, mismanaged, poorly executed, and an altogether bad idea, it was an action taken in GOOD FAITH for reasons of self-defense (though presumptive and exaggerated) and it enjoyed popular support at the time it was undertaken. This is by no means a defense of the administration from a policy perspective, but rather a defense of the action from a criminal perspective. To analogous between the War in Iraq and Michael Vick’s dogfighting is disingenuous and a forced attempt to throw a final barb at a foolish policy decision with great benefit of hindsight.
October 25th, 2008 at 10:02 pmThis vlog was focused on the public’s perception of Vick. And there’s a big difference between what Michael Vick did and Dennis Hopper from speed. I mean, c’mon…still, I’m done with the “B” word after this last vlog.
You can find my more football-based thoughts on Vick at the following links, but there will be more on that as well…
http://arrowheadaddict.com/2008/09/16/cowher-vick-2009-a-post-game-report-requires-an-actual-game/
http://arrowheadaddict.com/2008/10/08/cowher-vick-2009-revisited/
October 25th, 2008 at 10:03 pmSudden, I voted for Gore and Kerry and always opposed the War in Iraq. No 20-20 hindsight here. There were no good reasons to go into Iraq. The real War on Terror is and has always been in Afghanistan and Pakistan
My point–and then I’ll be done talking about W, I swear–is that he cost people their lives because of his own personal agenda–the same thing Vick did with dogs, but with people! And, yes, he and his administration were completely behind what happened at Guantanamo Bay, for whoever tried to dispute that.
Now that we put the behavior (and Bush) thing to bed, barring that he keeps his nose clean, we’ll look at Vick the player.
October 25th, 2008 at 10:13 pmTXCHIEFAN, I want to thank you again on behalf of this site and Chiefs Nation for everything you are doing for us and our great country overseas! Regardless of how we feel about foreign policy, we all love and are indebted to our troops.
October 25th, 2008 at 10:15 pmI’m unwilling to let the Bush thing go to bed just yet. I’ll respect that your opposition to the war was always there. My central point is that it makes for a poor analogy with the Vick thing because it was undertaken in good faith with an objective of keeping the nation safe. I agree with you that it doesn’t, but nonetheless, its intent wasn’t simply the joy of carnage but rather a calculated though ill-conceived national objective (self-defense by non-proliferation). Rarely do events that occur within the context of international relations analogize well with events at a more personal level. I share your views on the foreign policy for the most part (though I disapprove of the nation building attempt in Afghanistan as well), but I just really feel that comparing Vick’s crimes with Bush’s lack of judgment is a stretch. The central thing to keep in mind is that the war decision was made based on what the administration felt was in the best interest of the nation, and even if we don’t share the sentiment (which obviously neither of us do), I do consider it act performed in good faith but poor judgment.
October 25th, 2008 at 11:59 pmTXCHIEFAN,
I actually do have a clue about AQ and the extremists. The reason for going to war was a lie. I know those groups mean us harm. The problem is that we have basically ignored areas where they train - namely Afghanistan and instead we spend our money in Iraq.
During my service days I worked in support of the first Iraq war and I’m proud of my service. But I will never again blindly follow anyone. We have to demand accountability from our leaders. If we don’t we’re all in for a fall.
I respect and admire your service. As a vet I know it’s hard work. You are to be commended for your sacrifice.
I guess there is a time and place for political talk and since we’re not on Politico then we probably should go back to football.
October 26th, 2008 at 12:14 amSudden, that’s the difference in our opinions. I think Bush and his cronies knew exactly what they were doing, and it didn’t really have anything to do with keeping our nation safe. There was no good faith, there were no good intentions. It wasn’t a lack of judgment (maybe a Congressional lack of judgment, but they were fed misinformation), it was a lack of morality. I honestly think Bush was just as aware of what he was doing, if not more so, than Vick. That is why I made the comparison and stick by my comparison. To me it isn’t a stretch at all. Not at all.
By the way, I’m not for nation building either, unless it’s Chiefs Nation or restoring the broken one we live in. I’m honestly not sure which is a bigger mess: Us (Chiefs) or the US?
October 26th, 2008 at 12:35 amCat Crave,
I knew this would veer off track, but in my eyes the hypocrisy could not be ignored. Simply felt that I had to open this can of worms. Enjoyed your commentary as always…
October 26th, 2008 at 12:37 amSoooooooo anyways…that’s that…we are American’s who all love the country…and love the Chiefs…
I forgive Vick for his crimes and hope he gains the wisdom to avoid the people who got him into such garbage to begin with…But he is not for the Chiefs…Whoever put it earlier had a great point…he has about the same accuracy as Thigpen and for all we know doesnt even run as fast as Bones anymore…He won’t work out here…
Clark needs to get a pair and offer Bill Cowher everything he wants to come here and rebuild our organization…
October 26th, 2008 at 12:53 amcorrection: that cat’s pajama’s dude may not love the Chiefs…so not all…but most
October 26th, 2008 at 2:16 amAnimal Hater,
October 26th, 2008 at 9:21 amYou should be ashamed of yourself. Your attempt to criticize me was ill. I am not making posts praising Pacman Jones. And, Pacman Jones did not cripple anyone, animal hater. He didn’t pull the trigger. Michael Vick is the most notorious football criminal and you know it.