Loss #5 – Tennessee
My oh my.
Here’s a thought…Imagine what this team will be like the next couple of years if Herm, Bill and CP were wrong? What if they are wrong about what these players will be in 2-3 years? I’m getting a little nervous. Are you? This is getting bad. Real bad. I admit rebuilding is tough and hard for all, but to get embarrassed as the Chiefs have the past two games is something else.
Gunther Cunningham, as much as I love and respect what he has done for the Chiefs organization, I think it’s time to bid him farewell. I’m not sure he can coach the “Tampa Two” the way Herm has envisioned it. Tampa Bay has a solid D, Chicago, Indy (with Bob Sanders), they employee the Tampa Two with much different results. Is it personnel? I don’t know but this is the third year and no player has been able to grab the concept of it yet.
For what it’s worth–all those out there that want to believe Pollard and Page (especially Pollard) are the answer at safety, I beg you to watch the past couple games again. They constantly take bad angles and try to knock players out with the “big hit” that all too often result in the opposing player absorbing the hit or making one of them miss and continuing on for a big gain. Something else for you to think about–the Chiefs haven’t been able to tackle-TACKLE-since the hiring of Dick Vermeil. A fundamental aspect of football and “professional” players can’t do it. I don’t get that at all, it’s as if the front office gets too caught up in the numbers put up by these players and don’t look at the little things prior to drafting or signing a player.
Chiefs are in some serious trouble there is no doubt about it, but the worst thing is the fact the team has no heart and no integrity. They give up. They don’t care. I can’t stand that and it frustrates me more than anything as a fan-when these guys come off with the attitude of not caring win lose or draw. Branden Albert has played very well since the beginning of the season and Brodie Croyle is made of tooth picks, let’s pray Sam Bradford decides to come out this year.
Draft Watch…
I’ve narrowed it down to Sam Bradford…he is a red shirt sophmore I believe which makes him the legal “three years removed from high school” the NFL goes by. I don’t know what the chances of him coming out early are, but let’s face it-if he doesn’t then there are no other QB’s that look promising this year as of right now and the Chiefs will surely have a top 3 pick. They can’t reach for a Stafford or Tebow with that high of a pick. IF he doesn’t come out, then the Chiefs will have to pick accordingly, whether it be LB or DL, or even another OT and move Albert into the guard position. I don’t know the answers, and unfortunately, I’m not sure Herm does either.
It could be worse; we could be Cubs fans.
October 20th, 2008 at 9:07 amSomething has been really bothering me…
Why did HERM decide to kick a field goal with 4:56 left in the game and down by 27…
He “plays to win the game” – or to avoid 8 straight quarters of being SHUT OUT. He’s contradicting himself. This is proven because they actually tried to kick it off deep instead of an onside. – He didn’t want the score to get jacked up on him anymore than it already was. What a weak-minded feeble excuse for a coach.
It’s no wonder the players are confused when their supposed “teacher” and “leader” can’t even figure out which approach he wants to take/stick with.
This is Bad, Real Bad… the talented players are turning into, into…Herm. Unemotional, Unmotivated, Irresponsible, Incompetent, Blame-shifting Losers.
I love my chiefs, but if there aren’t some changes at the end of this year, it’s going to be awful hard to stay with Clark on this one (accept his acceptance of losing and making excuses)- the rebuilding process is gaining “ZERO” ground – it’s just getting closer to ground zero. Which means there is no need to keep anyone around.
October 20th, 2008 at 9:15 am….At least the Cubs got to the playoffs and had a great season. The chiefs used to give us that. I’d rather be good during the season and have a glimmer of hope then depressed all year because there is no hope…
October 20th, 2008 at 9:18 amPerhaps those at the top should take a look at the Rams and what’s happened there in the last 2 weeks?
October 20th, 2008 at 9:33 amThe ‘re-building’ excuses are getting a bit boring don’t you think.I think the Packers have a younger team than the Chiefs and I don’t see much in common with them performance wise.It appears some coaches know how to use their new players and some owners know what to do with coaches that ‘can’t explain what went wrong’!
at least it looks like that from here in not so sunny England.
hopefully the sun will be out in time for the game at Wembley next weekend
yesterday was the last straw for me … we have 3 head coaches on this staff and that is the best performance ‘the preacher’ can guide his masses to. I don’t care that Clark wants Carl to oversee the renovation projects. We tried with Herm…it’s over. He can’t keep a healthy QB, has too much allegiance to that piece of shit Curl, and the list goes on and on. Whitlock said it, yesterday was judgment day for Herm. Something has got to be done…I’m not seeing any improvement in any aspect of football…sorry, sorry excuse for a football team.
October 20th, 2008 at 10:34 amThis is the worst season I’ve ever seen, and I do remember the teams in the 80’s. I’m really worried that even if we have some talent with the players on the field, we’re destroying their confidence with the coaching decisions being made. Just out of curiosity, has Dorsey tackled anyone all frickin’ year long? Seriously? And no viable backup to Croyle? Really? I am absolutely done with Herm Edwards. He’s in over his head, he has no experience rebuilding a franchise. His Jets teams were horribly inconsistent. He may be a nice guy, but every aspect of our team is a lot worse than when he got here. Special teams- other than Colquitt, they’re horrible. Defense- we can’t even scare the other teams QB’s, much less actually sack them! Offense- I actually can’t believe how bad we are offensively. I really think some of the SEC teams could beat us right now. I’m sending my jerseys back to Clark. I feel totally betrayed, after 30 years of being a fan, watching the sham that we are putting on the field.
October 20th, 2008 at 10:39 amWell I must say that Sunday was pretty much the last straw as far as caring about the team. I have no wish to throw money away on tickets that I could buy individually for twenty five cents on the dollar at stub hub. No more season tickets for me if this continues, which it most certainly will.
October 20th, 2008 at 10:56 amBOOMER SOONER! im an ou guy and i want bradford!
October 20th, 2008 at 11:11 amon the other hand, if he doesnt come out this year it looks like we will suck again next year and have a top 3 pick in the 2010 draft. so we could get him there either way
Bradford is too far away, we can not afford to wait for him ot go pro. Colt McCoy is the man we should be trying our damndest to get. After watching him rip apart Oklahoma and then Mizzou, I see he is battle tested, makes excellent reads, doesnt force the ball, makes plays with his feet, and unlike Brokie Croyle, he’s tough.
October 20th, 2008 at 11:34 amTo all the Herm Lovers out there: Why are we going for field goal down by 27 points? That is very ridiculous..Why not go for the fourth down? I’m 22, grew up going to chiefs games cause we still have season tickets, and I’ve lived and died with them every year; and obviously every year has a certain level of disappointment to it, but this is different..
Herm is making it very hard to be a chiefs fan..I can’t stand him as a coach..I can’t stand his excuses and his obvious bs for why we lose..”Well we got down, and they scored, and you can’t do that, that’s not good.” No Shit? Really Herm? Who would have thought? Are we paying you this much money for you to give excuses that elementary students give give. If Herm continues to coach this team, I simply cannot continue to follow them with the passion that I have to this date..We are not fun to watch, we suck at every aspect of the game, and our coach apparently just doesn’t seem as concerned as he should..I regret the day we ever hired him..
Herm is to blame for Brodie Croyle because they placed him at the forefront of the rebuilding process and we have now wasted two years..What about Tamba Hali? Glenn Dorsey is not looking good..At this point the only draft picks I’m actually really stoked about are our young corners, bowe, and jamall Charles, and Alberts..Page and Pollard are dissapointments, so are tank and turk. So much for Herm being a great talent evaluator which is pure bull shit anyways..How is he such a great talent evaluator? Did the jets go far in the playoffs or something for him to deserve that title? Pure BS..It’s an urban myth that people like DJ love making up..Sorry DJ to throw you under the bus, but your raw raw Herm Edwards bull shit makes me crazy because well I’m thinkin you are a lil crazy for likin this guy
October 20th, 2008 at 11:44 am*Double D (not dj)
October 20th, 2008 at 11:46 amoh snap…
October 20th, 2008 at 12:11 pmamen, sandya
October 20th, 2008 at 12:23 pmThe one thing I really hope is that Clark is actually looking at fan websites, like this one, and seeing with his own eyes that the fan base his father worked so hard to build is being destroyed. I can’t justify spending money to see this product. It’s an embarrassment. I live in Atlanta, and I can’t believe that the Falcons are even better than the Chiefs. Herm is a joke. The best thing he could do would be to resign.
October 20th, 2008 at 12:26 pmthis franchise needs a completely new direction. And I don’t think it’s fair to the fans to fire either Carl or Herm and not fire them both. I just can’t see any justification in giving Herm the rest of the season, let alone the 2009 season. He put all his chips in when he either decided/pursuaded the top dogs (Bill & Carl) to NOT draft a QB with an abundance of 12 picks. No excuse. He’s a nice guy, very professional, but for his sake and for the sake of the Kansas City Chiefs he needs to be removed. Bernard “Bone-whiffer” Pollard and Jarrad Page were just laughing it up together at the end of the game. Have some pride fellas …
October 20th, 2008 at 12:49 pmYou guys-
Lamar promised Clark Hunt that Carl P would remain in charge to oversee the rebuilding and stadium renovation process and Clark intends to keep that promise.
Carl isn’t going anywhere for two years.
Get over it, as Harm would say.
October 20th, 2008 at 12:54 pmexcuse me, I meant, Lamar promised Carl…and Clark intends to keep the promise.
October 20th, 2008 at 12:55 pmI have to believe that this is the last year for Gunther or both Herm and Gunther. We need a defensive end, two linebackers -one to start in the middle now and one to bring along, a qb and two tackles – move Albert back to guard.
I am happy for Mitchell but is is sad to see him making plays for the Giants and now the Bills and then looking at our lb play.
I am not sure the lb play would be as bad if we had a better rush and I do not know who would be the best pick for qb. I like Brodie but he cannot play with no line support. Huard can’t either. It is a good thing that Thigpen is as big and fast as he is.
October 20th, 2008 at 1:19 pmwell let’s propose a scenario … clark decides herm isn’t the answer … will he a)let carl make a new hire or b)make the hire himself?
October 20th, 2008 at 1:20 pmHe should have the fans vote…if he was smart. THat way he can say “that’s who you guys wanted,” but likely, the price tag for Cowher is higher than he would like to pay.
October 20th, 2008 at 1:36 pmwho else would be on the immediate short list?
“According to several sources, Johnson has been late for several things, including the plane on their trip to the Panthers before their Week 5 game. The team had to hold the team plane for the tardy Johnson. Some wanted to leave him, but the decision was made to wait.” -from arrowheadpride.com
October 20th, 2008 at 1:58 pmThe difference with our Tampa Two is that Herm is no Kiffin, no Dungy, no Lovie. It’s also personnel, though. We don’t have a Brooks, Sanders or Urlacher. And I totally agree on ol’ Gun.
I’m also going to watch Page and Pollard on tape. Hearing lots of gripes about their play, and I thought they actually played better than those up front.
I’ll have to keep a close eye on Bradford. I still like Stafford, though, to some extent, and we should also think about going Crabtree in the first and a QB in the second or FA. He’s compliment D-Bowe well. The important thing is not to reach.
October 20th, 2008 at 2:23 pmI am disappointed in you guys. There WAS one, albeit a small one, bright spot on the team yesterday. His name, Dantrell Savage. He kept getting into good position with his kick returns. Grant it some idiot would also get a penalty, but that seemed to happen all day. I saw a couple plays that should have been called on the Titans and began to think they were playing in Tennessee.
As for Brokie……he looked good right up until his fragile ass got hurt. If you think otherwise you are a freaking moron and did not actually watch the game. As for Herm going for the field goal….I agree with you guys. He should have gone for the 7. I am not convinced the coaching is the problem. I have heard many reporters say the team looks good in practice, but for some reason it does not translate to good field play. Not sure you can blame the coaches for that.
October 20th, 2008 at 2:37 pmI like Colt McCoy a lot. I’ve been watching this kid and I think he’s got it. He makes plays. He’s 6′3, over 200 pounds… His performance has helped Longhorns rise to the #1 ranking in the national polls and McCoy has set a new record for most career touchdowns passes by a UT quarterback and most total touchdowns by a UT player.
I think we need to bring in Losman and have him and McCoy compete against one another. I’m also saying that if we get LB in Free Agency, we better go Bart Scott or Carlos Dansby. Man do we need Julius Peppers. Peppers could help free up the double teams that are put on Dorsey, put Hali back at the Left and help Tank get better.
I pray to God, himself that we fire Herm.
October 20th, 2008 at 2:44 pmwhat we don’t need is someone coming in “to get paid” and then not living up to it like Nap.
October 20th, 2008 at 2:46 pmVrod74-MikeSD
Coaching = translation.
If they’re doing great in practice it’s the coaches job to prepare them for the game… that’s what practice is for, to prepare for the game. Herm even said “he doesn’t know why?” The second I heard him say that, he translated to me that he doesn’t care.
It should have been “we’re gonna get to the bottom of this.”
His attitude is translating what I mentioned earlier to the impressionable talented young players. I’ve been saying that we need to wait until the end of the season until we do anything drastic, but with a coach of his caliber, he could have all our players confused beyond repair – like a dog whipped for all the wrong reasons…
Another reason why he’s a horrible coach, is that he NEVER blames himself or takes ANY of the blame, he’s an egotistical, arrogant SOB just like his boss.
Someone mentioned that our coaches have done really well… elsewhere… Harm has never done well as a head coach… unless it was the first or second year after he takes over a team. Talent Evaluator? I think not… he can only play with the previous regimes players. Then he slowly drags you down until none of us can get any lower.
October 20th, 2008 at 3:08 pmId sure like to give both Carl and Herm a good kick in the JUNK!!!!
October 20th, 2008 at 3:36 pmGuys quit wasting your breath (or rather, key-strikes) on talking about who we should draft. First of all we all know that it doesn’t matter who is balling in college right now because at the combine the draft position of a player will change dramatically just like every year. Because some guy runs fast in the forty or doesn’t weigh as much as he needs to, or perhaps is apparently retarded because he gets a nine on the wonderlic he will soar or sink. Secondly if you’ve been a fan of the Chiefs for me than a few years you most certainly know we probably won’t take who we “should” take. A QB in the first round would actually blow my mind even though it’s something we obviously need. We’ve needed it before (oh the last 20+ years or so) and went with other positions.
October 20th, 2008 at 3:46 pmMcCoy is definitely moving up my draft board, and I never thought that was going to happen. I wish to god we could get Bradford after next season. I seriously doubt he comes out this year. As for everything else involving the Chiefs, I, for once, am speechless.
October 20th, 2008 at 3:50 pmcarl and herm are stupid
October 20th, 2008 at 4:23 pmArkansas dave rudaba – thanks for your posts..Coaching does = translation and it doesn’t matter what is going on whoever is in management needs to be blamed for the failures of the organization and congratulated for the successful times. I don’t care if these players are young, Herm is responsible for who is on our squad, what free agents we sign, draft picks, coaching and strategy for each game..Herm deserves a big fat F right now..For god sakes we never used to lose at home and now we completely suck at home..I think some of us have forgotten how far we have sunken..
And to whomever said that Herm has been successful else where (probably double d, cause you have a man crush on Herm, if you want a good motivator maybe you should just watch a Denzel Washington flick) Herm had two decent seasons with the jets where they went to the playoffs..The best he has ever finished is 10-6..Wow two games over mediocrity..If we we’re playing like we’re playing when we had Vermeil we would likely make the playoffs cause our division sucks now (it obviously used to be amazing)..Anyone remember being 10-6 and not making the playoffs? My point is this, if Herm is still here at the end of the season, Clark Hunt has no fucking idea what he’s doing..I’m pulling for this losing streak to continue because I can’t stand this guy as a coach, what a clown
October 20th, 2008 at 5:07 pmSavage is the man!
October 20th, 2008 at 5:10 pmSam Bradford is clearly the player we need to draft in this upcoming draft if he declares. He is in my mind in the best position to start his second year, and I would love to see him declare and put on a Chiefs uniform and bring fans back to AH and give us something to look forward to on Sundays and make us proud of offensive production once again.
October 20th, 2008 at 6:49 pmfire herm and let gunther and gailey run their schemes. herm is to blame for both offense and defense. i dont care what the price is for a head coach, we have the money so lets do it. bring in cowher or someone with a winning reputation. i hate to say im giving up on the chiefs, because i used to rag on fair weather fans, but im giving up on the chiefs as long as herm is our coach. i live in florida and pay for sunday ticket just to watch the chiefs and im not wasting another dollar until something is done. FIRE HERM.
October 20th, 2008 at 7:01 pmI think Herm must have wanted to prove that Novak could ACTUALLY make a field goal. After all Herm was the idiot that picked Novak over Barth. For christ sake the guy can’t hit anything. If it is 50 yards or more you can forget about it. Do you know that for his career he is 6/11 from >40 yards? 40 freakin yards! There are college kids that kick better than that and we are paying this guy and his inept leg to play for us. Is barth still unemployed? Maybe he would take us back… yeah right, who am I kidding no one in their right mind would willing join this team on their own free will.
October 20th, 2008 at 7:07 pmI know this is way down the list on problems with the chiefs, but it sheds light on a bigger issue. Who knows, if he makes a couple field goals like he’s supposed to suddenly its 14 to 6 and it’s a one possession game and our offense gets a little confidence and maybe our defense feels like it’s worth their time to play hard because they don’t have to hold the opposing team to 0 points in order to have a chance to win the game. Instead, the offense and defense get demoralized, because some moron that makes a living kicking a football can’t do the job he was paid for. Let me asked you this, what would happen to me or you if we suddenly decided to start performing at a “chief like level” at our own jobs? So that means as long as 6/10 times, I make the right diagnosis that is acceptable (sorry to you other four but I really was trying my best)! Again, think if for my career so far I’d attempted 30 c-sections and 19 times by george, I got your baby out just fine, but the other eleven, well sorry, what can I say, I tired sorta hard but I messed up and he didn’t make it sorry. Aren’t I awesome though, just under 60% of the time I do the job I’m supposed to and your baby lives, give me a freaking gold star, a million dollars, and pat me on the back. So right now you are probably thinking, god, I hope I am never treated by this guy, (don’t worry I don’t live in KC), I promise though I’m just trying to make a point. I also know football and medicine are different, but my point is that in medicine failure is NOT acceptable and if we fail we have serious consequences. I’m sure just like at everybody else’s job, where you are expect to show up, not be a little b**** and do your job to the best of your ability. Right now, we are observing a Chiefs team where failure seems to be acceptable, like it’s expected and that is a BIG problem. We cannot be a successful football team if our players and coaches are not held accountable for poor performance (and yes that includes the King). See its culture on this football team and it starts from the top. I’m not sure we can be good until Mr. Hunt holds his GM accountable for good decision making, and then the GM holds the coach responsible, and the coach holds his players… this team and everybody associated with it needs to be scared. They are too freakin comfortable with getting their asses kicked.
One last thought and then you should get a beer just for reading this. Sorry it is forever long. Let’s not forget that the defense is out their all the time because the offense is so anemic. I really feel like the problems on defense are exacerbated by our stupid head coach who can’t call a decent game plan to save his life and an awful offense. Page and Pollard might be missing some tackles, but the reality is they are attempting too many tackles. Many of these plays shouldn’t be getting past the d line, and then shouldn’t be getting past the linebackers ect. Just like our defense in general shouldn’t have to be the ones on the field all the time. Again we noticed a jaw-dropping stat like 350 yards in a game, but we often forget that our offense has managed barely 70 points in six games, and thirty some of those were in the Broncos game. That isn’t going to get it done in the NFL these days.
Again I know this echoes the sagacity many of you have already displayed and written about. But man, I feel better than I did when I started! Have a great week guys.
Amen Doc.
The offense is to blame for the defensive statistics.
There are holes in the D, mind you, but it’s a lot easier to see them when the players can’t catch their breath after 3 plays punt, 1 play interception, 2 plays fumble – pick your poison. The D has been fair in the first half of games so far. Not great, but THAT’S to be expected because of how young they are.
We need a coach. A GAME manager.
October 21st, 2008 at 8:36 amI dont necessarily support Herm kicking a FG when he did…I know his thought process after all the crap he has put us through and it was to just get some points on the board and maybe that would help provide a spark…and you could say it did mildly, on offense anyway…as we did score once again…
The offense is not ENTIRELY to blame by any means…the defense did allow the Titans to score on their first couple possessions…
Oh dave…dont you know DICK CURL is our game manager/giggle inducer…(sarcasm…intended)
October 21st, 2008 at 5:30 pmcue mora:
SPARK!? you’re talking about a SPARK!?
a field goal is going to inspire a previously inept offense to score THREE MORE TIMES in FIVE MINUTES?
you aren’t part of the Chiefs organization by any chance, are ya woody?
fire herm. i’m done until then.
October 21st, 2008 at 8:41 pmHa, no no no….I wasn’t saying I supported it by any means…Just that I have heard Herm’s BS enough to know what he would say…
I cannot wait for the day he is gone…
October 21st, 2008 at 10:31 pm