Loss #4 – Carolina

Well well said TX

Agreed on Tony. He is ours. He is the number one hero we have in a Chiefs uniform. He IS the best teacher and mentor for ALL of the rookies, not just the receiving corps.

I want him to win in the playoffs and get a SB ring in respect to him, but it better be as a Chief! I would get sick to my stomach seeing him take any other team to the SB, while we are building up to get there. He can coach, be our hero, and be the proud face of our organization for a few more years. So what if he starts to decline, he can still be productive. He will retire when he wants to, but in 2 or 3 years, we will be just as strong and contending for the title as any team. If he goes anywhere else for any reason, it would harm the team and face of the franchise for a long time, in my mind.

What do you all think about Bill Stewart from West Virginia for head coach? He may suck as coach but at least we could hear more lines like oxygen is for astronauts not football players.

While Im on my soapbox, letting Tony G go to a better team is exactly what the chiefs do not need, and sending him from a team whose fans adore him to a team whose fans can probably take him or leave him. Is that what he really wants? And while we are at it why doesnt my employer send me to a company that will hire me to search the world for the finest wines, the tastiest steaks, and the most beautiful and accomodating women and then write a book about it? Ive been with them twenty years, they owe it to me! Of course their position is we paid you all that money for twenty years now we need your experience to train the new hires.

Come on guys, we are so far under the salary cap we could fund another complete team. Why not trim some of the players who are not performing and hire some older experienced guys to get us some wins and share their experience with the youth movement. At least one good free agent quarterback. Two preferably. There are plenty out there and plenty sitting behind a better first string qb. Not only is having 100% youth on your team painful the first couple of years of a rebuilding program, its not necessary and wont work, you need mentors.

I have to agree with Double D on this one. We all heard the comments at the beginning of the year, so should have expected what we are seeing. The issue is, who is still willing to wait it out. I believe we should do all we can to be positive and build the players up, not negative and help tear down an already struggling organization. That won't help anyone. The constant calls for boycott and firings will not make the team any better this year.

There will be no firings this season. I do imagine that Clark H will stand by his statement at the beginning of the calendar year, when he said something like, the team better show improvement and he wants to go to the playoffs. If we win 4 or less, then I believe he will make the necessary changes.

Otherwise, we are what we are. I don't understand what is happening and why certain players are not moved or brought in, but I do know that the talent on the field is very capable. The potential in most of the young players is for great and solid play. They are developing and learning every game. Next year will see a very solid, talented group of 2nd and 3rd year players that can actually take us to the next level.

The upcoming off season and draft will be the real story of team building to get us into the playoffs next year. We are set financially and young, so we should be able to do a lot of off season moves to solidify the holes identified this season.

Let's please just watch and enjoy the wild ride. I'm hoping for competitive games and some shining Pro Bowl plays from some of our guys, but anything more than that is just wishful thinking. Have fun, look forward to game day adventures, and cheer on the Chiefs!

Crane, if I'm not mistaken, you were one of those early on who said you hoped the Chiefs would have a horrible season so they could draft high again. To that I say there's just no pleasing some people.

The problem I'm seeing with this team right now has very little to do with the coach. It's with the players themselves. Blaming the coach is the feel-good, easy way out.

All of our QBs either suck or are getting hurt because our OL is soft. Same reason we have no running game regardless of who carries the ball. Same reason our receivers have no time to get open. Same reason our defense ends up playing 21 minutes in the first half.

As far as why CP is still moping around after all these fruitless years, I suggest you go ask Clark Hunt.

What kills me is that the people who stick up for Herm and his bullshit are the same "positive" people who wanted to give Brodie a chance...and the same people who gave Carl the benefit of the doubt and said there was no five year plan....etc.

Apparently all it takes for one to be considered "optimistic" around here is by failing to scream "Fire Herm Now!" And to think you're calling me stupid?

Look folks, ain't gonna happen anytime soon so why even waste energy discussing it? Even if it did happen, whoever replaced Herm would likely distance himself as far as possible from what Herm has done by abandoning the "youth movement" along with the offensive and defensive systems. In other words, an even bigger rebuild than what we're currently having to endure. Considering we're only 5 games into this - I highly doubt any of you "Fire Herm" types have the patience for the complete overhaul you're demanding. If you're too idiotic to get what I'm saying then I'll try to make it as simple as possible for you. By bringing in a new coach, you're looking at at least 2 seasons very similar to the one we're having and at least 5 years before we can have any hope of seeing a championship caliber team - and that's assuming we bring in the right guy. Can any of you that are ready to jump ship now honestly claim you possess the patience for something like that? All I've got to say to you is be careful what you ask for. It took Cowher 14 years and Ben Roethlisberger to win a Superbowl. Think about it.

OMG your right he wont be fired. Not sure though the depths this team has sunk may void any prevoius agreements.

dakotadave you said something pretty profound...And I have wondered that a lot..Herms job is completely safe this year because no one in their right mind would gut a team like this without the assurance his job is safe. That is why he doesn't seem to care as much as another coach would about the piss poor all around caliber football being displayed on the football field...Say what you want about Shannahan, I'd love to have that guy as a coach..He plays to win and they are always competitive just like the chiefs used to be..Sure they've had some down years but the guy shows emotion and he cares about winning and I just see a lack of fire in Herm..Have I mentioned how much I dislike Herm?

I don't know how I feel about Brian Billeck..Their offenses we're not good..I think we can do better..

I am still shocked at how Herm didnt go to the draft. What kind of coach has no involvment in as the Big Tuna said "if you are making dinner, you should be allowed to buy the groceries". My draft party ticket said that Herm might make an appearance, even the non sports people at work were like "why isnt he at the draft?". As you can see from my photo I didnt let it ruin my day.

Im abandoning my seaason seats if I dont see some change this year and over the offseason. Only a stupid sucker would stay on this ship $$$ wise. The Hunt family sure wont put out the dough. I honestly did have concern when we beat the Broncos that the fire Herm thing would die off. One positive thing is that its now revived.

I think Bill Cowher and Brian Billeck should be at the top of the list. Both possess offensive ingenuity, but have also displayed the ability to play phenomenal defense.

Yes, this team has many problems. But the fact is, no army can win a war without an experienced general. Yes, you may win a battle or two (hopefully there will be a second). Sunday's general (Huard) entered the war beaten and did absolutely nothing to lead and motivate the team. As someone mentioned above (Jason), the announcers saw how "out of it" Huard was, yet Herm left him out there to flounder and bring the entire team down. Also, as good as LJ is, his ability to keep his head in the game is less than adequate. If he's up, he kicks. But if he's down, he dies. You could physically see Huard's psychologically negative "state of mind" propagate throughout the team during each muffed attempt to execute a play. Had Thigpen been brought in earlier, I think all we would have done is eat up more of the clock and, if Novak was "on" that day, maybe changed that goose egg into 3 or 6 points. We may have kept the score to a tolerable 27 - 6.

As randy5K said, we need two new generals (quarterbacks), a seasoned/proven veteran and an apprentice. You can "transition" 95.5% of a professional football team as long as you have that constant 4.5% (the quarterback) to hold the team together. If you plan on changing the key 4.5% (the QB), you had better have a strong core (which is made up of the offensive line). It helps if you have a pro-bowl running back (LJ) and at least one receive that can make things happen (TG and Bowe).

Herm Edwards has done this young team a severe injustice (and proven his incompetence as a head coach), by creating a "Lose-Lose" situation within the Chiefs organization. What Herm has created (and Carl let him create), is a travesty and a crime against the team, the organization and the fan base. Unfortunately, Congress has utilized this year's $700 Billion allowance or we could as them for help.

Or, crazy idea, the Chiefs can take some of the $$ that is below the salary cap and dish out some bucks to buy a real Quarterback. Then we trade Brokie for a young QB that has the stature (not as fragile as an egg) to "PLAY THE GAME!" The strongest arm in the world is no good if the body can't take a hit. Kind of like a general without an army.

Like Vietnam, Congress (Edwards) has completely screwed up the military machine (the team) and it's time the citizens (fans) call him onto the floor. If only we could vote on a head coach. But then who would it be?

Maybe we should provide a letter to Carl Peterson listing our top-3 choices for:

Head Coach
Starting Quarterback
Backup Quarterback

If these positions had a competent person in the seat, the young talent we saw against the Donkeys would show up every week.

Adam,

How about taking a poll among us addicts and then passing the information on to someone in the organization that cares about what the fans want? Maybe list 3-4 available head coaches (maybe a retired head coach that's playing sports announcer), 2-3 vet QB's and a recent draft pick (or a young free agent) as the backup?

Could be interesting...

You know when the doctor tells you "This is going to hurt", but then you are surprised when it hurts? Thats kinda how I feel right now. I knew this was going to hurt, I just didn't know it was going to suck this bad.

As bad as the coaching staff looks, I honestly don't think Herm or Carl will be gone after this year. There is no way anyone would have gutted a team like this without being assured that his job would still be there there the following year.

I think our defense will be ok. These guys are all young. They are going to to get better. We do need to fix our linebacker group. Tamba is a good player, he just isn't working out at right end. If anything, I can see him rotating in on the left side, and shuffling a few guys around on passing situations. The one play that Tamba got pressure on the qb I could have sworn he came from the middle.

Pleeease do something with the right side of the o-line. D-sack is the worst pass blocker I have ever seen....ever. I'm pretty sure I could have gotten around him at least once.

Huard looked plain horrible. I don't care how bad the line was, his throws were just plain awful. If Brodie can play average ball, it will be an improvement.

These thoughts were kind of all over the place. I'm having a hard time forming opinions after that woopin.

Double D why do you always have to be so positive and back up our play when it is soooo awful...Seriously man, their is optimism then their is stupidity..I know where you're at

What is with that whole thing " Hunny did we win"...That statement leads me to believe that Herm thinks it is okay to win occasionally..He makes it seem likes its some sort of a joke..He should be kicking his own ass with the joke of a team the chiefs have become..We're a punchline now!

Jeremy what planet are you from? Grew up in Kansas City, got season tickets and attend college out here in Orange County so I know what its like to be a cali fan...But was their anything enjoyable about that game yesterday? I had the most annoying panthers fan going crazy the entire game talking about how we we're the worst thing he'd ever seen..This is humiliating as a fan and it is even more humiliating hearing Herm and the rest of the players shake it off just cause we're "rebuilding" and this sort of thing is supposed to happen..No its not..

I will be a proponent till the day I die that Herm Edwards needs to be fired..I thought he should have been canned after his first season with us..Two incredibly bad seasons in a row is not vermeils fault, it is strictly herms fault..It's as if some of you just don't like seeing the truth..It's like you don't want to admit 2+2=4...Herm isn't the answer..Sorry Double D but your optimism is just blind stupidity..Does anyone remember that one playoff game we had with Herm? Yea I thought sooo..So what is gonna happen next time we get to the playoffs with Herm? Ultraconservative play, obvious offense calls...It just never ends with this guy..I can't root against the chiefs, but after we we're down 24-0 I just started rooting for us to lose 40-0 b/c Herm is a thorn in my side

Going back to the huard/disinterested quote, when rich gannon is saying that you could tell huard didnt want to be out there when the tv interviews were done, how in the hell doesnt the coaching staff get it????

Oh yeah I forgot. I know this fat guy at work who loves the Cowboys that may be available to fill in at tackle. Should I give him a call?

The Chiefs are terrible. Go find a doctor that will write some prescriptions for you. You're going to need some good drugs to get through this season. Luckily the great Brodie Croyle will be back soon to lead them to another win or two. I bet your fantasy football team probably sucks too. Luckily with the way the season is going, you can load up on Chiefs on the waiver wire. Hopefully hunting season doesn't find you with a gun pointing in your direction. With your good fortune this season, it may go off.

I just recieved fantastic news in the mail today, wanted to share it! I qualify for post season tickets should the Chiefs win the division!

Come on.

I hate to lose, but we know we will stink it up this year. My hope is that after the bye Brodie looks decent.

I still enjoy watching the games, even if we are getting killed. Brandon Carr and Flowers are going to be real good.

I wonder if Herm woke up last night and said "honey did we win?" like he did last weekend?

Personally, I prefer "Sackintosh."

Is YOUR coach smarter than a 5th grader? New show Sundays at noon. Does anyone even need to watch the episode featuring the Chiefs coaching staff to predict the outcome?

We do not need a quarterback. We need TWO. One veteran and one we can train that can also operate a a backup. We need the same quarterback in the game everygame that can call shot, and give the players confidence. Other teams lose their QB and fall apart, such as the Patriots. We STARTED LAST YEAR WITH NO GOOD QUARTERBACK DID NOTHING ABOUT IT IN THE OFFSEASON AND STILL HAVE NONE. Did anyone see Huards interviews last week? He spoke in a disinterested monotone.

Steven, it's tough, man, you're right. But while I totally agree about Tamba, I disagree about our defense being terrible. I think they are young and have the tendency to get worn down and make mistakes when they are out there 75% of the game. Their corners are rookies, the have no pass rush from Tamba and Pat Thomas is a joke. Like we saw last week and against the Pats, if we get a lead or keep it close this defense is fine.

I mean, seriously, yesterday was some of the worst offense I have ever seen at any level. Yuck.

Plus, we have to fix that right side of the line, like you said. Rudy Niswanger sucks, too. How he manages to get blatant holding calls every week playing center is beyond me. Is he just that overmatched?

Well, I feel like I got punched. But not in the gut...If I see one more stupid screen pass on 3rd down I am gonna go Waco. It's not like the other team doesn't know what your gonna do when Jamaal Charles comes in. Herm must go.

The Panthers are the first really good veteran team that we've played this year and they exposed us for what we are, especially our offense. And exactly what are we on offense? Well, first off, we're trying to develop an OL that can block well and do so consistently. We clearly have a long way to go. We actually do have a some decent weapons on offense but because of our poor line play, they will only be of use when we play weak defenses.

I believe our defense looked worse than I think they really are because our offense offered them no hope. Time of possession in the first half was Panthers 21 minutes, Chiefs 9 minutes. That right there tells you everything you needed to know about what was to be expected for the rest of the game.

That said, I have to agree that, regardless of who we play, we have got to be agressive in our offensive playcalling, especially coming out of the box. As long as our OL continues to struggle, we should start every game with a heavy dose of play-action passes, screens, and by attempting at least one deep ball every other possession. In other words, mix in the run with the pass and not the other way around because it's obvious the latter does not and will not work any time soon.

There is nothing wrong with Hali. We have too many glaring holes to go fiddling around with DE's. Hell, we havent even seen Johnston really play. I still think he can be something at that position. We also need to see Barry Richardson play, and for that matter, see Mr. Robinson return a punt. Isn't he almost off of injury reserve? Oh, and just cut B.J. Sams. My position on the draft hasnt changed.

1st Ray Melegula
2nd Alex Mack (possibly reach up to get him)

oh...and if we are 1st 2nd or 3rd pick in the draft...maybe trade down to get Ray Melegula or Laurinitus. Pick up another pick in the deal.

Rebuilding is one thing.
Having a coach that cannot motivate or prepare players is another thing entirely. Or a coach who makes insane personal decisions is another. We have both.

As pointed out, why is McSack on this team? This guy got beat play after play after play. He CANNOT play that position. Anyone with 2 eyes can see that. He is downright god-awful.

Everyone raves and talks about how Herm is such a great motivational speaker. Last week being the one exception who on this team looks like they are playing motivated. Not the QB. Defiantly not LJ. Certainly not anyone on the O-line.

You can keep your rebuilding bull****. That can be used to to cover some of the mistakes. But 1-5, including a shut-out, a home opener loss to the worst team in the league, and a near blow-out to another young rebuilding team does not fall under "young team mistakes."

I just love how everyone seems so shocked by what they're seeing. This is what rebuilding from the ground up looks like. One week you're excited about what you see, the next week you can't believe how horrible it is.

If he comes out, I'd prefer USF's DE George Selvie.

I definately agree with everything you said. I think one thing that needs to be pointed out is that we aren't going to go "up" with this coach or GM. We had one elite player last year and we traded him away because he didn't want to be here. As for the other players, I think we have talent but we must make a change. Herm Edwards is a college head coach at best. We need to gut our game strategy, not our team. That starts at the top and works it's way down. I mean completely clean house. No coach should be retained. This is a complete embarrassment. We are turning into the Lions. As for the draft, I still think we should go with Oher or some other stud LT prospect. We can move Albert to RT or put him or Herb Taylor at RG. We must improve our OLine before we expect anything. I think if we use our second pick on a pass rusher we will be ok.

In the words of Charles Barkly:

"Jus' turr'ble"

"This is the worst Chiefs team I have ever seen since 1989 (the year I became a Chiefs fan)."

You must be a SUPER FAN now eh? lol

It will be OK lil' Buddy.

And to think we could have at least gotten 3 points.

That was terrible.