A.A.D.Q.: Gonzo Stiffed By Cherm?

I gotcha, I gotcha. I think playing with a basically star-studded O-line (Waters, Weigmann, Shields, Tait) makes people hold a grudge against any of those individuals. Singularly, they weren't as good as when combined. When Willie retired, we undoubtedly had trouble. When Shields retired, we had even more trouble. And when Tait and Weigmann both left, we struggled (in Weigmann's case, we struggled early this season,) to have the same offensive production. While one could argue that that's a testament to each of their individual prowess' I think alot of people take the negative approach and say that they were only good because of everyone around them. You can't argue with all the Pro Bowls between those 5 guys, seperate, and together, though. At the least, Willie's going to the Hall.

The two physical attributes that always stood out to me about Willie was his humungous size (Jesus he was huge,) and his tremendously nimble feet. When you saw Willie get going for a down-field block on a Priest Holmes toss, you just knew he was clobbering one, two, and occasionally three blockers in his path. It was truly awe-inspiring. And the one matchup I can remember him just being a straight Hall of Famer in; was the game against the Colts when Dwight Freeney was a BEAST. Freeney had dominated EVERY LT he played against that year, easily. His spins were something that kept OC's up at night, he couldn't be blocked. And then he met Willie. I actually think Willie had something to do with Dwight Freeney's dropoff in production... He's never been the same player after that. Injuries hurt him, of course, but after being dominated by Willie, he hasn't been his old self. I think it got to him psychologically, at least a little. You go from being on the top of the world, to looking like a little girl. It was crazy.

To this day I still say I'd take an over-weight/out-of-shape Willie Roaf to play RT (or LT, should he absolutely have to,) over our guys. He was just that good. He definetly has lost a step, or two, or three, since retiring, but I bet he'd still be a Top Ten Tackle in the league, at this moment. That's just me, and probably a bit of homerism, but God knows I'd love to see it happen if it could.

xxxlp, not to belabor what was probably an off the cuff remark, but I don't think he meant a player that spent his entire career with the Chiefs. In any case, Will Shields spent his entire career with the Chiefs. He and Roaf are the only ones who have ever played for the Chiefs (maybe Montana) that can even begin to make a legitimate claim as being the best player of all time at his position.

Also I don't think Roaf gets enough recognition of how great he really was. You hear about Odgen and Pace all the time, but Roaf, he was really something special.

Panther, I think he means Chiefs who have played their whole careers here. Tony G. has, guys like Willie Roaf, while amazing, and probably Hall of Famers, didn't.

Jason, that's why I said if there was ANY chance that it could have been picked, he could have thrown it away. It IS safe, Damon is very capable. And he's leaps and bounds above Thigpen. He didn't have flashy stats against Denver, but did you see the completion percentage? Yeah, Thigpen DREAMS about completing 22/28 or whatever it was. It IS a safe play. Maybe not a huge net-yardage gain, but he didn't need big yardage, just 3. That's a quick throw, with little risk of a sack, the way our line played, and Tony G. has great hands. But no, we couldn't give a single DOWN for Tony's cause? Puhhlease.

I see the argument about winning, but we were in very little danger of losing that game at the end, we could have gotten it done. Having Tony talk about getting traded, and being pissed about everything is just as hurtful to a team as if we DID have a pick for six on that down. Seriously.

no respect for the second greatest chief following ole number 58 . this isnt ny herm

the win and fans chanting(when he was down)should have been enough. these youngs need a win more than anything. ANYONE can say a little out would have been simple but ANYONE who has watched the chiefs for the past 2 years knows different, remember the 3 yard out to DBO that turned into a pick 6(and I KNOW piggy threw it but still shit happens)

"Like I always say, he’s the only Chief who’s ever been the greatest player in NFL history to play his position. The only one."

Willie Roaf might have something to say about that. Will Shields too.

Vrod,

Being called stupid by Herm apologists is a badge of honor. Thank you. Let's compare whose is bigger, yours or mine. IQ that is. I know what mine is,and I think you would be well advised to end the insults right there and move on. From what I have read, apparently Tony thinks he would have been able to do it. Otherwise, why would he have even said a word? Your man, Herm, was thinking more about saving his butt than doing something meaningful for a veteran player and a young team. Think about the statement that would have made for those young players to be able to say they were in Arrowhead on the same team with Tony G. when he broke Shannon Sharpe's record. Tony will probably not get a championship ring in K.C. And Herm couldn't "risk" a three yard pass to a veteran with the best hands in the league because he(Herm) was already 0-3 for the season?

Vrod, it is you who display your stupidity for all to see. Bashing against others and then using words like 'probably' doesn't bode well for you. He PROBABLY would have caught the ball (he needed only 3 yards, not a 15 yard gainer, it's not THAT un-safe.) And you agree that Tony got up slow. If he got up that slow, and was indeed hurt/injured, then the point is moot, so you need go no further. But you did. At the least, we could have run a bootleg (who expects that from Damon?) with Tony G. running a little 5 yard out pattern, a la Cottam/Cox in the pre-season. If Tony wasn't open, or there was virtually ANY chance of a pick, Damon could have thrown it out, or chosen another target, if one were indeed open. Safe (maybe not for Damon). Easy. Only takes up one play. And we ended up winning by two scores anyway. With the way our defense handled the Donkeys (especially scoring-wise) I would've even felt confident (sort of) if they HAD picked it.

He could have gotten the record at home. I see why he didn't.. But it would have been nice, and very easy to do. It all hinges on whether or not he is/was actually hurt. That basically negates all squabbling, and like I said, makes it a moot point.

Hammer,

Again you display your stupidity. As it has been pointed out by ilamuku, Tony got up REALLY slow. YES it would have been great for him to get it in KC, but not at the possible cost of him being injured or worse, the Donkeys getting an INT and winning the game instead of our boys. Was it a conservative approach to run the ball? Maybe, but we did get a TD and the Donkey's were probably HOPING we would try to throw it to TG. They were all over him the whole game, if you were watching. You wouldn't be singing this tune if they had tried and gotten beat because of it.

By all means the pass to Tony should have happened. This just accents what a low class clown Herm Edwards really is. Tony G. deserved it. Anyone who is not totally paranoid realizes it could have been done. Vermeil would have done it, Schottenheimer would have done it, Hank Stram would have done it. The current head slug we have just couldn't pull it off.

Saskwatch, randy5k, and Sudden all have it right. Achieving and preserving the win were far more important than the record. Assuming Tony continues his streak of games with a reception next week at Carolina, then yes, by all means have a huge celebration at Arrowhead on October 19th to honor him.

Tony! Tony! Tony!

Don't forget that TG was slow to get up after the TD grab. I'm sure they were weighing his health. We DO need him in every game.

Saskwatch, I'm totally with you. YOU PLAY TO WIN THE GAME! Everything else is just window dressing.

I agree sawkwatch, win that game at all costs! On a related note I would like to say that I do not have one superstitious bone in my body, but on the way to the car from Arrowhead I realized that I now had a new pair of lucky boxers.

We needed to win a game. What would we be saying today if the threw it to TG it was bounced up in the air was picked off and returned for a touchdown. Inside two minutes, you run out the clock. It would have been nice to break the record at home, but winning is more important.

Would you let him if you were head coach and Tony was hinting he might be open minded to a trade at a point when the team dramatically needs him?

I believe as you said that it would have been great for Tony to break the record in front of the crowd at Arrowhead. He IS the ultimate Chief. To get the last major record here at home would have been much more memorable than doing it at Carolina. And against Sharpe's team...............even sweeter!

Totally agree - they should have gotten it done at HOME. The guy has spent his entire career in KC and both he and the fans deserved that. VERY disappointing, if you ask me - ESPECIALLY with the opportunity to do it against Denver.