Merlin's Magic: Week Three

'Last i checked two more tds than interceptions isnt that great of a stat, hell its not even good.'

Take it into context; bro, like I've been saying. Lee Evans was hurt alot of the time Losman started. McGahee is .. well, he's ALWAYS hurt (the Brodie of RB's.) Name one other skill position player on Buffalo a few years ago, NOT named Lee Evans or Willis McGahee. Thank you. And he still threw 60% and more td's than picks. If he came here, with a better O surrounding him, he'd do fine. And btw, notice I said he'd be a decent stop-gap if nothing else. That means I'm not ENTIRELY sold on the guy, but he's good enough to get us by until we can get our own guy.

'Cause I know Losman isnt taking us anywhere, and imagine that hes on the bench and the Bills are 3-0'

Yes, imagine that. And with all 3 of our QB's, we're 0-3. Inspiring, isn't it? Think about it, look up his stats, and realize what he was playing WITH, who was out there on his TEAM, and you'll begin to see; he's not half bad. Can't blame him that he didn't have a good line, one *hurt* legitimate WR, basically backup RB's in at the same time, etc. When Trent Edwards came in, Evans was back, McGahee was back (and then Lynch, baby!) Their line started performing better, their run game got going.. Losman never really had that, and has 'ok' stats.

Look at it this way, oh ye of little faith in xxxlp, alot of us said, including me, that Brodie hadn't had a chance at being fairly evaluated after last year alone.. Correct? I mean, LJ was hurt.. the line was in shambles... It just wasn't a fair evaluation. Yet you're evaluating Losman for virtually the same thing. His line wasn't perfect, his starting RB was hurt, and his numero uno (and really, the only 'star WR', was hurt. They don't have a TE like Tony G. either. Not even close. Give the man weapons and watch him fire away. It's better than Thigpen, in the least. And we can get him cheap.

Adam

Trust me I don't think Tyler is our future at QB, but you have to admit some of the passes he threw SHOULD have been caught.

And thanks, Merlin!

A.) Tyler Thigpen is horrible. Dude misfired on a three-yard screen pass and should have had about five picks.

B.) Garbage? Jake Delhomme was once the Saints' garbage. Derek Anderson was once the Ravens' garbage. Plenty of guys who didn't do anything until their second, third or fourth team. Did you forget our own Rich Gannon and Trent Green?

whoops that was supposed to say "the REST of the team". Sorry.

I am not saying Tyler is good, but I have to mention this because it is driving me crazy! I was sitting in Calahan's eating my Irish Chips with Chili and cheese and could not believe what I was seeing. I saw AT LEAST 6 dropped passes. NOT by recievers with good coverage, but by guys who were WIDE the fuck open. How can we blame Tyler solely for that debacle when it appears the reat of the team was sucking just at bad?

stevenh:

Please explain how Losman is a "disaster, a bust, a never-will-be." His stats on a not-too-good Buffalo team seem to disprove your stance here. I really like the idea of bringing him in: it wouldn't cost much, we don't have to keep him around if he doesn't work out this season, and we might actually see some decent QB play.

Of course, all of the above is moot if the O-line stays exactly the same.

You're getting as bad as Adam wanting to pick up another teams trash. Loshman is a disaster, a bust, a never will be. The Chiefs don't need that on the roster. I admit, if the Chiefs draft a QB with the intent of playing him next season, then we are going to be in for 1 or 2 more years like this one before he learns what he is doing-IF it turns out the Chiefs drafted correctly.

The best move would be to make a trade for a QB in the league for a couple years, calling the Browns about Quinn was a good thing to do. Obviously, he is not availbable right now, the Chiefs need to find someone else. Drafting a QB is not going to be a quick fix by any stretch of the imagination.

Last i checked two more tds than interceptions isnt that great of a stat, hell its not even good. My question is if you dont want us to draft a qb in the first round, where would you like us to get a quarterback? Cause I know Losman isnt taking us anywhere, and imagine that hes on the bench and the Bills are 3-0

I was talking about Losman and others back in the off-season, when we were going with Brodie, Damon, and Tyler, heading into the season.. My voice got even louder as Thigpen stank it up in the pre-season, although I was quieted a bit by the fact that Brodie played fairly well when he played in the pre-season. Then Brodie got hurt, and it was right back to the same old story. J.P. got hurt, and Trent Edwards has looked very good thus far this year, so there's a reason he lost his starting job. The coaches stayed with the hot-hand, and so far, it's working out for them. Doesn't mean Losman is garbage. And honestly if you think Thigpen is a better alternative, I feel sorry for you.

Losman, or some other QB, is the way to go. Rather than draft a QB with a top 5 pick (in a weak QB class, at that,) and spending 20+ million in GAURANTEED CASH (How'd that work out for Alex Smith, Matt Leinart, and others, thus far?) when we would then have to wait 2-3-4 years, (or longer, knowing our coaches) for him to blossom, when we have the tools to succeed NOW, provided we get better playcalling and Damion McIntosh/Adrian Jones OFF the line.. That's bad. Losman has been a starter in this league, and while stuck on a bad team, still showed poise and promise. 60% completion percentage is the magic number for any QB, you generally don't want to fall much farther under that than a few %. Tyler Thigpen isn't even throwing 50%.

Losman, over a career, has thrown for just under 60%, on a team that only had a constantly-injured Willis McGahee, and Lee Evans. Lee Evans was also hurt part of the time Losman was a starter. And taking those two out of the equation, still throwing roughly 60% completions, and a higher TD count than INT count.. that's impressive. With our weapons (LJ, Tony G., D-Bowe, JamChar, Franklin, etc) he would do even better. It's not really a question of 'if', it's a question of 'how much' better would he do, with us. I'd currently take pretty much any QB in the league over Thigpen, especially one who's proven he can win, even when talent around him isn't as good as you'd like. And we have the talent to go around a QB, just not the QB. He won't have to carry us, and be forced into making bad throws, like he was with the Bills. Hate on the move if you want, but if it ever happens, you'll be happy we can actually win games, and LJ can actually not have 8-9 men in the box versus him.

xxlp, this is the depressing part of this season, everyone starts talking themselves into other team's garbage because things are so bleak. I don't want Losman, or any other team's cast off. I'll take a guy who our great coaches can screw up before he has already been screwed up by other crappy coaches.

Losman is garbage? Maybe go look at his stats (more specifically, the years he started all 16 games.) Then take a gander at Brodie Croyle's stats... And then, for good measure, take a quick peek at Tyler Thigpen's stats. Notice I said 'quick peek', because if you stare at them long enough, one of two things could happen. Either a blood vessel is going to burst in your brain, which could ultimately lead to your death, or you could just go legally insane, because the Chiefs actually STARTED him. Thank the Gods of Football that Huard is back under center. He's not the greatest, but a definete improvement over Thigpen.. Just like Losman is. Word.

I'm drunk by the way, sorry.

it'ssad when we're talking ourselves into Losman and other garbage at qb. I'll take none of the above.

I've been saying Harrington, Losman, and about 10 other backups around the league would be more than adequate stop-gaps until we can find our franchise guy. Maybe with a change of scenery and us having more firepower on offense, skill-position-wise, than most of them are used to, one of THEM will become our franchise guy. None of them are over 30 (except the Bulger idea) and if they developed an affinity with Tony G. and D-Bowe (unlike Thigpen) then we'd be in for a treat. I'd also sign Harrington TODAY. Let Huard start against the Donkeys, then we have 2 weeks to prepare. That's the better part of a month, and I think, even with that short time-span to get acclimated in our O, any one of them would be far superior to what we've seen out of Thigpen thus far. I still like Losman better; I'm all for Harrington at this point.

Someone over at AP brought up bringin Harrington in. Im all for it. He's gotta be better than what we have. It was also in an article that the patsies would give us a 5th rounder for Huard, you know, our QB coach in training. Id go for that too. and possibley ask for O'Sullivan along with the 5th. then we would have 2 new guys to give a shot.

This J.P. Losman uprising scares me.

Nice post. I completely agree on all points.

I really like the idea of J.P. Losman. He may not be the permanent answer, but he would be legitimate competition for Brodie. When the Bills upset the Chiefs a couple of years ago, I remember being impressed by J.P's accuracy. He looked damn good that day, (although we made most QB's look damn good that year).

I also just read that Joey Harrington was released by New Orleans today. I think we should sign him TODAY. He has proven he is not a full time starter, but our QB situation would look a whole lot better for the rest of this year.