22 Sep
A.A.D.Q.: A Smorgasbord Of First-Day Picks?
This Old Chief just called me up and told me that he heard on the radio this morning that the Browns asked the Chiefs for two first-rounders and two second-rounders in exchange for Brady Quinn. Thanks, but no thanks. I actually like Brady Quinn, but not for any price steeper than one first and a second-day pick.
What does everybody else think about this rumor? Would you have pulled the trigger on this deal?
I don’t think anyone has ever traded that much for one player, and to trade for a player who hasn’t done anything in the pros, that is basically them saying don’t call again.
September 22nd, 2008 at 4:30 pmYea…either that is completely bogus or it’s true and they have no intention of getting rid of him…I think our only hope for him is that the problems in Cleveland are much bigger than the QB…and he underperforms also, and then would be traded…but that is very, VERY unlikely…and almost impossible for this season…how bout Anderson? anybody? I think either one of them would be just fine on our team, and as I said, the problems in Cleveland are much bigger than just QB.
September 22nd, 2008 at 4:38 pmNo, I say no trades and we jsut draft well. Brady has not started a game yet, and he did not look good this pre-season just like Derek Andersen.
Let’s hope and pray Brodie comes back soon, (can’t believe I said that), then we will se what happens in April.
September 22nd, 2008 at 4:38 pmi dont believe that is true because…cleveland is struggling big time and derek anderson is not playin the way he did last year and cleveland will keep quinn for when they bench anderson…but that is way too much even jared allen didnt cost that much!!!
September 22nd, 2008 at 4:49 pmThe Browns are funny. I would turn it down, after I got done laughing.
September 22nd, 2008 at 4:54 pmThe Browns suffered the same way the Chiefs have this decade. Busting draft picks and bad free agents I consider nearly all these players busts, some of the bigger names are busts because they have yet to perfrom due to injury…(Winslow, Edwards…have really only had one good year.) The Browns traded their second-round pick in 2007 and first-round pick in 2008 to Dallas for their first-round pick in 2007. That’s giving up 2 starters for a guy who’s yet to see the field.
BUST DRAFT PICKS
Look
September 22nd, 2008 at 5:21 pmYEAR Rd. NAME
1999 1 Tim Couch QB Kentucky
2000 1 Courtney Brown DE Penn State
2001 3 Gerard Warren DT Florida
2002 16 William Green RB Boston C.
2003 21 Jeff Faine C Notre Dame
2004 6 Kellen Winslow II TE Miami
2005 3 Braylon Edwards WR Michigan
2006 13 Kamerion Wimbley LB Fl.State
2007 3 Joe Thomas OT Wisconsin
2007 22 Brady Quinn QB Notre Dame
Now we need to call Tennessee and see what they would want for Vince.
September 22nd, 2008 at 5:24 pmOh and on the rumor…that sounds really made up to me. Everything I’ve heard points to them keeping Quinn. I’d still take DA based on his performance last year and his nickname “Horse Balls”.
September 22nd, 2008 at 5:26 pmI think it smell like utter crap
September 22nd, 2008 at 5:34 pmJoe Thomas has been awesome so far, and there’s no way Braylon or K2 are “busts,” especially K2. Maybe reaches, but not busts. I agree on the others, though.
And the Vince Young pipedream is not going to happen. No chance in hell. The Titans won’t let him go.
September 22nd, 2008 at 5:34 pmWowie. As in they been smokin’ the maui wowie.
September 22nd, 2008 at 5:38 pmIf Quinn were proven I think we might consider giving up Adam suggested. I do not think anyone can say he will be good, great or a bust at this point.e is not proven. That said, I thinnk we would do better to consider trading LJ and a second round pick. I like LJ and it was great to see him getting back to some of his past form yesterday but I just do not think we will be winning with or without him anytime soon. Even if we find a qb somewhere, we must fix our O line right side.
September 22nd, 2008 at 5:39 pmI actually believe this to be true or close to true. thebryman is totally right on this one. That was them saying either we are robbing you or keeping this kid.
September 22nd, 2008 at 5:39 pmCrane, I usually like what you have to say, and agree with a ton of it, but what have you been smoking? I’ll just throw tidbits out on the players I’ve seen..
Kemarion Wimbley is a good linebacker. He’s also been stuck on a horrid D. Think of him as the Browns’ Derrick Johnson. DJ was a stud, on bad KC defenses.
Jeff Faine is a starter in this league, and a relatively good one.. I really like Niswanger and think if he had some help on his right side he’d look better, but I’d take Faine at this point.
Braylon and Kellen.. I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt, they’ve been maligned by injuries and need to have consecutive seasons before they can be labelled badasses, but they aren’t busts by any means.
Joe Thomas is a bust? You must be nuts. He’s a big reason for their turn around (that, and their free agent O-lineman pickups.)
They didn’t bust with all of those picks, and I think that Romeo pretty much HAD to draft Quinn for the publicity, so that he could have a sliver of hope in keeping his coaching job. But in no way is he worth all those picks. Not to us, anyway. We could get a competent QB for far less. Same with Vince Young, we’d have to give up TONS, then pay his salary cap hit (which is high.) We just don’t need that. We could give up a 3rd and a 5th or so, get J.P. Losman (who didn’t look TERRIBLE (as Thiggy does) with the Bills, and we have a much better skill position set than the Bills do. Same with David Carr, Sage Rosenfels, and about 10 other QB’s that are backing up an already entrenched starter, or teams who have other backups ready to step up. I’d much rather go the cheaper route (pick-wise) and end up with a product that’s about the same. The QB’s I mentioned have actual starting NFL experience, and have been in the league more than a couple years. Any of them would suit our needs.
September 22nd, 2008 at 5:42 pmMy comment, by the way, was in regards to what the Browns wanted. Not whoever brought up this rumor.
September 22nd, 2008 at 5:42 pmIm not sure people realize how much of our problem is at the qb position. I think 90% of our prolems would be solved with a good, solid, durable qb that the team trusted.
September 22nd, 2008 at 6:00 pmI think we go after Carr or Rosenfels, Sage played at ISU while my boy JJ moses did so I got a good look at him. I think Carr has got to be better than he looked in Houston.
September 22nd, 2008 at 6:08 pmYou know what Im sick of this losing lets get the damn torches and pitchforks.
September 22nd, 2008 at 6:16 pmHow about Matt Leinart? Obviously he is not someone that AZ has much faith in if they’re starting Warner ahead of him and maybe what he needs is just a new start somewhere where there is less in the way of co-eds and beer bongs to distract him. We might be able to pick up him and Boldin in a package deal. And the great part about Leinart is that as a lefty, we would have to put Herb Taylor in at RT because we all know Damion Sackintosh can’t protect someone’s blindside. I know it all sounds crazy, but anything has to be better than what we have right now.
September 22nd, 2008 at 6:22 pmi brought up leinart yesterday, i think he could play well in our system, look at his rookie year in 11 starts he had 2547 yards and 11 tds, they brought in whisenhunt who played a different stle of o (predicated on down field throws) not the west coast style that leinart excelled at. fell out of favor so maybe we should explore that option.
September 22nd, 2008 at 6:43 pmi also believe the rumor on quinn, it says HEY WE DONT WANT TO TRADE HIM BUT IF YOU ARE STOOPID ENOUGH HERE YOU GO, BTW i cant believe carl didnt pull that trigger J/K (kinda)
Sudden and Jason… Im with you guys there.
I think that Matt Leinart would be a great #1 for us. Not because he is a Brady/Manning type of guy, but because if we were to get our running game going again, make a couple adjustments on our O-Line, Leinart would be a good 3rd down threat. I know a lot of people hate the “Run-Run-Pass” type of play calling, but we saw that LJ needs to be fed. And when Ironman is fed, he flies. He proved that. So we really only need a QB that can make the throws on 3rd down. I can see Leinart connect with D-Bowe and Gonzo.
And Sudden… That “package deal” you mentioned… Sounds amazing to me.
September 22nd, 2008 at 7:35 pmI think Leinart would be someone to look at too. He definately hasnt played up to his potential in Arizona.
September 22nd, 2008 at 7:36 pmAnd by the way… All of us here know that when we get a good running game going, that opens the passing game… And THATS how a good QB can become a great QB.
I Request a Matt Leinart Campaign to get under way.
September 22nd, 2008 at 7:39 pmIts obvious they are starting to see that we need to do something. I cant believe Martin hasnt even played in a game and is already injured. we definately dont need another one of those. I think anybody whose been mentioned here would fill our need
September 22nd, 2008 at 7:39 pmI dont know last year I saw Brody throw a touchdown pass through light coverage. I think we should center our entire offense around him and leverage the franchise future around him.
September 22nd, 2008 at 7:40 pmWho Brodie? I think thats what they are doing. He stii cant stay healthy. Its time for someone whose gonna shine. For more than a few games.
September 22nd, 2008 at 7:42 pmHerm is a defensive guy so he doesnt think the offense works hard and thinks that quarterbacks are overpaid and over rated.
September 22nd, 2008 at 7:44 pmIm glad you guys are all here. I dont think I could handle this season without you all to help get through it. LOL. They heard our voices about Cowher and Vick. They heard our voices about Quinn. Let our voices be heard. Lets pick a guy and go nation wide.
September 22nd, 2008 at 7:45 pmLets all be realistic and pick one guy and we are gonna do this thing.
September 22nd, 2008 at 7:46 pmYes sorry Brodie, kind of mixed Brady and Brodie there.
September 22nd, 2008 at 7:47 pmWell we need a guy who can take being jacked up for awhile. A guy like Jaworski was.
September 22nd, 2008 at 7:48 pmMatt Leinart will not be available. Kurt Warner is 37 years old, and Whisenhunt still likes Leinart. There will be no campaign for Leinart, at least from me anyway. I’m still on my Vick kick. Just getting started actually. I do, however, like xxxlp’s J.P. Losman suggestion. We should try to trade Huard for him today.
September 22nd, 2008 at 7:48 pmIts kool, i wasnt tryin to correct you. I dont think he’s our guy though.
September 22nd, 2008 at 7:48 pmIt dont have to be Leinart, I just want all of us to pick someone and go beyond chatter.
September 22nd, 2008 at 7:49 pmI cant just sit and watch OUR team, yea we made that team, us as the fans, I cant watch another wasted season.
September 22nd, 2008 at 7:51 pmLosman is someone to check out. He is a free agent after this season.
September 22nd, 2008 at 7:52 pmAdam, Zach, I have to apologize, I was a Brodie backer and now Ive seen the light, lol, We dont have a NFL QB on our roster.
September 22nd, 2008 at 7:53 pmHow old is he?
September 22nd, 2008 at 7:54 pmNow there is an idea wonder what JP would cost us? New York would probably rip us Indians off with some beads again.
September 22nd, 2008 at 7:56 pmI’m telling you guys. AZ made it clear that Leinart is not the guy for that organization… Lets get Matt Leinart in the Red and Gold. He played good in those colors a few years ago. I think he’s what we need. He can throw the ball well, he’s big, and can take a lick here and there. We should get him.
September 22nd, 2008 at 7:56 pmCrap.. Warner is old though… Unless we offer a trade they cant refuse.
September 22nd, 2008 at 7:59 pmAdam, can you start a post askin everyone who realistically we should try to persue. I think we need to take this one big.
September 22nd, 2008 at 8:03 pmWsup ROC, its been awhile, How’s Cali. Im still comin sometime so you can show me your stompin ground.
September 22nd, 2008 at 8:04 pmI like Losman
September 22nd, 2008 at 8:08 pmHow about this Favre character?
September 22nd, 2008 at 8:08 pmWe got no chance now.
September 22nd, 2008 at 8:10 pmYo, CSMQB!
Yeah, I’ve been here just havent been commenting much. But now theres crap to talk about… Like how bad we suck and how bad we need a new QB.
Yeah, man… I’m going to the KC vs SD game. You should try to come out here. You, me, and my girl would be the only red dots in a sea of baby blue…
Jk… Actually last year, there were tons of KC fans. I was suprised.
September 22nd, 2008 at 8:13 pmI went to the Raiders game, That was a HUGE disappointment. I mean it was great just bein there but Ive been there twice and watched em lose both games.
September 22nd, 2008 at 8:14 pmLast year we had a full house at the season opener. This year the ones that showed were folks that were given the tickets and people that had their seats since the eighties.
September 22nd, 2008 at 8:16 pmWatching the first game last year and the Green Bay game at Arrowhead was unreal and an experience I will never forget. Watching the season opener this year makes me literally want to cry. Go to youtube and type in “arrowhead volume 1″ then get out the kleenex box.
September 22nd, 2008 at 8:23 pmROC, I’ll be making my annual pilgrimage from LA down to SD this year for the game as well. Where you sitting? I’ll 12 rows up from our bench wearing my DJ jersey. Btw, I love how last year we had the national anthem ending the way its supposed to down there.
September 22nd, 2008 at 8:54 pmIf we’re gonna talk about retreads, why not discuss Alex Smith? Free agent next summer, he’s gonna come cheap.
September 22nd, 2008 at 9:13 pmIf he heals properly that shoulder bone is scary.
September 22nd, 2008 at 9:19 pm6. Herm Edwards, Kansas City — The Chiefs are on a franchise-worst 11-game losing streak, and things have gotten so bad these days that they’re losing to the Raiders by 15 points. At home. With Oakland quarterback JaMarcus Russell completing all of six passes. In fact, with reports swirling that Raiders coach Lane Kiffin would be fired after Sunday’s game, and then that not being the case, it now appears that losing to the Chiefs has become grounds for dismissal. Quick, somebody tell rookie Falcons head coach Mike Smith it’s win or else this week at home against K.C.
They might have had a great 2008 draft, but I look for the Chiefs to battle it out all season with the Rams (nice football state, Missouri) and maybe the Bengals for the distinction of being the NFL’s worst team. They’ve got no quarterbacking, a disgruntled and unreliable lead running back in Larry “Me-first” Johnson, and the look of a team that’s in the deepest darkest stages of a years-long rebuilding program.
Edwards’ fate is pretty clearly tied to the question of whether team owner Clark Hunt finally ends the tenure of long-time Chiefs general manager Carl Peterson, who has served in his capacity 20 seasons without delivering even a Super Bowl appearance. For that matter, Kansas City hasn’t won a playoff game since 1993. If “King Carl” survives yet again, so will Edwards. But if Hunt pulls the plug on Peterson, the new GM customarily gets to hire a head coach of his choosing. And that could end Edwards’ three-year K.C. tenure.
• Pink slip potential: 60 percent.
September 22nd, 2008 at 9:20 pmNothing wrong with trying to develop a young qb but for GODS sake have a veteran too. And not a shell shocked one like Huard.
September 22nd, 2008 at 9:20 pmwell the Chargers are walking all over the jets so maybe a qb isnt everything
September 22nd, 2008 at 9:22 pmThe Bills had Lynch, Evans, and TE’s who are not even close to comparable with Tony G. I think Losman would relish having a chance to come here. Hell I’d even give a 2nd rounder for him if that’s the ultimate price to pay. To know we actually have a QB, not a QB-pretender (or a constantly broken QB, which is sad to say, I liked Brodie.. kind of.) Damon just isn’t going to hack it. We may keep him next year as an insurance policy for Losman (should this trade go through) but realistically he’s done after that.
Hell, if we want, I’d even be fine with waiting until after the season until Losman is a free agent, signing him to a 2-3 year deal, drafting a lineman high, and then trading up for a MLB (Maualuga, hopefully,) and then giving Losman the offseason to get acclimated with our vocabulary and offensive schemes. When teams can’t key up on the run EVERY play (Losman had plenty of deep balls thrown, when he played,) LJ should get going. If LJ is going, playaction is also going, and it’s a win/win situation. With more experience to our younger guys in JamChar, Cottam (yikes, the Brodie Croyle of tight ends, who also has the same initials, BC. Just say no to BC!) an even more-improved line, and hopefully better coaching.. Our O will look totally different. As long as it isn’t diagnosed with Chancer.
A 2nd rounder is one thing, but I think we could get him for a 3rd this year, and maybe a 5th or so in 2010. That’s a cheap price to pay for a QB who played well with LESSER weapons in Bufallo. The Bills have certainly embraced Trent Edwards, and with him coming along nicely, and their team doing really well this year, they might be willing to part with Losman cheaper than we think, and turn around and use one of those picks on a new QB to stick on the depth chart. It’s worth thinking about, anyway.
September 22nd, 2008 at 9:26 pmOk lets get JP very good thoughts X
September 22nd, 2008 at 9:36 pmWhat is this BS about selecting an O-Lineman early? We have our franchise LT. You don’t select a RT or an interior lineman with a first round pick, let alone a top 5 pick. And no, don’t trade for a guy who is a UFA in the offseason. Wait until the offseason. If we’re making a trade for a QB of all positions, I at least want to have him around for a couple of seasons.
September 22nd, 2008 at 9:54 pmIf they would try a lil change for once, put the Gonj and B Rich on the right side we may already have an answer to our line problem. Obviously Herm doesnt support Obama’s idea for change.
September 22nd, 2008 at 10:02 pmThe last time I saw Carl P in person was at last years Oakland home game and he got boo’d off the fleld. Pretty bad when the GM cant show his face at a home game without getting drilled by D-Cells.
September 22nd, 2008 at 10:20 pmWhats sad is follow some of the news from Oakland, those fans are ready to drink the kool aid and they stomped a mud hole in OUR BUTTS!!
September 22nd, 2008 at 10:29 pmRegarding my comments about the Browns, I said I consider most of them busts. Joe Thomas is not a bust, lets not put him in the HOF just yet tho bc the Browns running game is horrid. I was mostly trying to illustrate how the Chiefs and Browns are similar in thier ineptitude and KC had a team from 96-99 …Cleveland did not!
YEAR Rd. NAME
September 22nd, 2008 at 10:49 pm1999 1 Tim Couch QB Kentucky BUST
2000 1 Courtney Brown DE Penn State BUST
2001 3 Gerard Warren DT Florida A few goodyears BUST
2002 16 William Green RB Boston C. BUST
2003 21 Jeff Faine C Notre Dame NEW TEAM
2004 6 Kellen Winslow II TE GOOD WHEN NOT INJURED
2005 3 Braylon Edwards WR Michigan DITTO
2006 13 Kamerion Wimbley LB Fl.State Some promise
2007 3 Joe Thomas OT Wisconsin OK OK
2007 22 Brady Quinn QB Notre Dame ?
If Brodie Croyle is bud light, Losman is Budweiser. A little more experience, big arm big hair and no game.
September 22nd, 2008 at 10:51 pmWhats the chance we could get Brohm?
September 22nd, 2008 at 10:56 pmright now he’s sitting behind Rogers and Flynn. Surely it wouldnt take alot to pick up their 3rd stringer.
September 22nd, 2008 at 11:01 pmget him AND another
September 22nd, 2008 at 11:14 pmI think him being a FA is exactly the reason to bring in Losman. The Bills would rather take like a fourth- or fifth-rounder than be stuck with nada. Trent Edwards is their guy. Meanwhile, we’d have a legitimate prospect on our roster and a leg up on signing him if he worked out. If we didn’t see enough to warrant keeping him, then we’d let him go. We wouldn’t have to splurge on a high-draft pick or even a decent contract on him, that is unless he played his way to a payday. Make sense?
September 23rd, 2008 at 12:49 amYes it does
September 23rd, 2008 at 6:47 amJT O’Sullivan will be UFA next year too.
September 23rd, 2008 at 8:59 amBut J.T. will get a new contract since he replaced their starter.
September 23rd, 2008 at 7:34 pmI will also jump on the Losman wagon. He may not be the qb of the future here but he could be the qb for right now; and who knows he may just turn out great. At this point we are getting pretty desperate. We can’t suffer through a full season of Thiggy