Chiefs @ Falcons: Post-Game Report
While they were flipping, we were at home flipping out.
Good. We called the Browns about Brady Quinn. The news–good or bad, depending on your POV on Quinn–is that they didn’t bite. But the good news for all Chiefs fans is that the Chiefs’ brass seems to finally have realized that our quarterbacks do and always will utterly blow. The scary thing is that I really think that they approached this season believing that Brodie Croyle and Tyler Thigpen had legitimate franchise QB potential. I’d be less scared if I thought they were just being cheap.
Tyler Thigpen is bad. Elvis Grbac was bad, but an Elvis impersonator is even worse. I’m all shook up. Since he runs so well (and that’s all he does well), let’s run him out of Kansas City. That pick six was a disgrace.
Paging Derrick Johnson. Paging Derrick Johnson. If we wanted someone to pay some one millions to run around fast and whiff on tackles, we’d play Napoleon Harris.
Good thing Jamaal Charles didn’t stay in track and go to the Olympics. He definitely would have dropped the baton. On the other hand, he is fast.
Iron Man haters, step back. Larry Johnson played extremely well today despite having only two lineman who were worth a damn (Branden Albert and Brian Waters) and no complimentary passing game to speak of. Give him 20-25 carries (24), this is what you’ll get. Twice the carries as last week, about 10 times the production. You gotta feed him the rock, Cherm.
I hate to say I told you so, but on Matt Ryan, yeah, I told you so. Homeboy is a player. A little Peyton, a dash of Roethlisberger, etc…he could be something special.
Ow, that hurt like hell. What you say? I just jumped off the Rudy Niswanger train.
I love Bernard Pollard and Jarrad Page, but on obvious passing downs they both can’t be left alone as the last line of defense back there–too slow. Either take Pollard out altogether and move Page to SS and DaJaun Morgan to FS, or do the same except play Pollard at nickel or dime backer. Hell, he tackles better than our linebackers do anyway.
Glenn Dorsey, Tank Tyler and Turk McBride, I saw some good signs. While I was impressed with both Swamp Thing and TNT, I wasn’t impressed with Brian Johnston and Tamba Hali. Both got pushed around too much it seemed.
Tony Gonzalez, again, we’re sorry for this. Not fair. Not at all. On your Hall of Fame bust it should say that you made it despite the play of your QBs, not because of them. I’m going to actually request that.
Pat Buchanan could do what Pat Thomas has done out there thus far.
Depressing. Just depressing. On the flip side, and this must be mentioned, we are one step closer to the No. 1 overall pick and firing Harm Edwards.
Adam, I think you’re jumping the gun on throwing “I told you so”’s in peoples faces. He’s only played three games. If he was playing amazing football in those three games that would be one thing, but he hasn’t even been above average. It just comes across as rude (and slightly defensive) to be doing it already. So far, Ryan is 34-64 with is only a 53% completion rate. Combine that with his 511 passing yards which equate to only 8 a yards per pass, and there’s not a whole lot of ammo to throw out the “I told you so.” Plus, in three games he’s only thrown 2 touchdown passes with 2 interceptions.
September 21st, 2008 at 11:41 pmTo put this into perspective, our good friend Brokie Croyle was 48-80 in his first three starts which comes to a 60% completion rate. His 476 yards then equate to 6 yards per pass. Croyle also threw 1 touchdown pass and 2 interceptions. So, I guess we’re saying Ryan is only slightly better than the guy we don’t want to be OUR starting quarterback anymore.
You know it was absolutely disgraceful what I witnessed today. Everyone has known that our 0-line was in desperate need of help for the last 2 years and all they did was draft 1 quality guy, we needed 3.I don’t even want us to get another QB until they address this problem. He’ll just get injured and/or loose his confidence. I mean you got to give a quarterback more than 2 seconds to through the ball! Peterson has once again proven why this has to be his last year. C’mon Carl, how many millions are we under the cap? Don’t even give me this crap about nobody being available or being true to the youth movement. It’s a load of bull. We all witnessed an extremely feeble attempt to upgrade our line this off season. I hate to say it but I’m also losing confidence in Gun’s ability to put a good defensive plan together. It looks like we have the personnel to do a much better job. Man am I sick of the excuses we keep hearing from Herm. They just don’t look well coached on either side of the ball.
September 22nd, 2008 at 12:13 amConsidering the way I got persecuted over my opinion that we should have picked Matt Ryan–and I got stoned then drawn and quartered–I think I have every right to have a little fun with this. My boy D.J. practically called me a starf***er. Zach–who’s usually the first to call me out for going too far–even told me I better speak up about Ryan.
Ah, gotta love covering sports. Nobody wants to hear about it when you are right, but everybody makes sure you hear it when you are wrong
Oh well…
September 22nd, 2008 at 12:15 amMatty Ice looks good, but time will tell. No sense looking backward because he wasn’t there for us to take. I don’t think he could play that well on our team that’s for sure. Niswanger. Bah. He had an awful game.
September 22nd, 2008 at 12:34 amPfft! You can take your “I told you so” and shove it straight up your….oh no wait…this is family programing haha.
Anyways,
If we redid the draft today, and we COULD get Matt Ryan…I would still grab Dorsey.
On that note, I ALWAYS thought Matt Ryan had a great 50/50 chance at being a franchise QB and these days he is living up to that posibility. But I also still feel that with our needs, at the time, we made the right moves.
Did we so soon forget our stellar draft?
Anyways, I counter your Matty Ice “I told you so” with an “I told you so” 2 3rd round draft picks for Brohm. And dont give me any of this “he is a 3rd stringer now” crap. You wana see a 3rd stringer. Take a look at Pigpen.
MASTERBLASTER’S MASTERPLAN
Ok, the plan is going a little too well now guys…seriously…take it down a notch. We arent trying to unseat the dolphins last year as near crappiest team ever.
Oh, and after serious consideration, I would like to go on record and say…”We should burn our 09 1st rounder for Quinn”
I really hate losing our first rounder…I was hoping for Ray Maligula or Laurinitis. But still, if we could get Quinn with our 1st and Alex Mack C with our 2nd…I would be a happy camper.
Jesus Anderson! play better! your screwing with our future prospects.
You know whats funny. The Browns are screwed at QB too. If they yank Anderson, and put in Quinn, the are burning 25 million. Andersons stock is plumiting. Probably only worth a 3rd rounder.
Oh, and nothing motivates an owner and GM to make a gut check trade like the possibility of TV Blackouts and empty seats. Its geting interesting.
September 22nd, 2008 at 12:59 amI don’t think he looked like an elite QB at all…BUT, considering he is in only his 3rd game in the NFL I thought Ryan looked good…he is going to be good to great…honestly during the draft I didn’t care who we took at 5…we had so many hole to fill that I would have been excited if it was Ryan/Dorsey/J. Long/C. Long…
Speaking of them, C. Long has been very quiet…hopefully he progresses, i liked him…
And Phat Albert has looked better to me than Jake Long, oddly enough…
Speaking of Phat Albert, a few people I was watching the game with today were disappointed with him as he was just pushing the guy out wide and they got to Thigpen anyway…Before I rebuked them and informed them that it was absolutely Thigpens job at that point to STEP UP IN THE POCKET…whatever pocket was there…also there was a miscommunication about him getting RB help over there on the fumble-causing sack, thing…
September 22nd, 2008 at 2:40 amNo doubt matt ryan could be good, but don’t get too excited yet…he was playing the Chiefs you know, what did he do last week?
September 22nd, 2008 at 4:38 amTo compare Thiggy to Elvis Grbac is insane. Grbac was a legit QB who had one bad year in KC. And Grbac’s bad year would be welcome this season vs. what we have seen from Thiggy/Huard.
Don’t dis Elvis! LOL
September 22nd, 2008 at 5:33 amAdam, it’s not that I’m afraid to say when I’m wrong, it’s that it’s too early to be saying you were right. He hasn’t been that impressive yet. He hasn’t proven you right OR wrong yet.
September 22nd, 2008 at 5:40 amIndeed Maine- Grbac had a 4,000 yard season.. the year we traded Gannon.. Noone seems to remember that year, only that he had one bad year after that. Shucks, I’d just about cut my left pinky off (useless little bugger) for a 4,000 yard passer on our team now.
Adam.. Look at Ryan’s game two stats. Especially the QB rating.. Ok, then look at games one and three. When facing a legitimate defense, he looked like Brodie did when he played at Indy. He did well at times, and definetly struggled most of the time. When he played defenses like ours (after they wore us down) he looked good. He’s by no means a sure-fire lock to even be decent this year. That remains to be seen. I’d save the ‘I-Told-You-So’s until he at LEAST wins a game against a legitimately badass D.
Just for the hell of it, here are ‘Matty ‘Supahstah’ Ice’s stats, alongside TYLER THIGPENS stats.
Matt Ryan: 34 completions, 64 attempts, 511 yards, 2 touchdowns, 2 interceptions, with a 77.0 QB Rating.
Tyler Thigpen:28 completions, 69 attempts, 279 yards, 2 touchdowns, 4 interceptions, with a 38.3 QB Rating.
Considering Matt Ryan has had ALL the Falcon’s snaps at QB, and Thigpen hasn’t had much.. and has looked like utter crap more often than not.. Matt Ryan really looks rather pathetic, when compared. Especially after you consider that the Falcons have about 600 yards of rushing so far out of their team, and we have SIGNIFICANTLY less, and also, as previously mentioned in countless posts: WAY worse playcalling. Hell, maybe Thigpen ain’t so bad after all. @#$&@~ *Sorry, I just punched myself in the face for saying that, my apologies.*
September 22nd, 2008 at 6:21 amWhat a terrible game. Thigpen looked awful. This guys does not have what it takes. If you want to see what an unpolished young qb with upside looks like, Matt Ryan was it. He looked solid, but there is no way anybody can gripe about him not being a chief. He was gone when we picked, and don’t be so sure we wouldn’t have took him if he was at 5.
I don’t think anyone should gripe about he draft. The sad thing this weekend was our rookies were our best players. Flowers did okay and carr played great (9 tackles). I believe it was patterson or someone else on coverage on the long bomb, but I couldn’ttell for sure. Doresey played alright and albert played good ( the play he looked bad charles was supposed to chip abraham).
The play calling was much better. We finally used the toss and ran to different gaps in the line. A word of caution though. We ran the ball effectively in the second half because they had a big lead. They we no longer stacking the box to stop the run. This is not what the running game will look like unless we can throw the ball effectively. If we can make passing plays and move the safety out of the box the run game will be much improved every week.
The tackling is not acceptable. Carr, Flowers and Pollard tackle better thanm our linebackers. I like page but this guy has to learn to tacke with his arms.
I can’t wait for Croyle to get Healthy (that’s scary isn’t it).
September 22nd, 2008 at 9:50 amMatt Ryan played terrible in the first half against the Bucs, a great defense, but then he came back in the second half and really played well. That says a lot. He also seems to have adjusted to the Cover 2 in a relatively short time. Our pass defense isn’t that bad. I mean, even Tom Brady and Randy Moss didn’t burn us like that in the quarter or so they played together.
Most people acted like Matt Ryan was going to be Ryan Leaf. All I’m saying is that kid can play and that he’s going to be good. He’s already 2-1 despite the Falcons being the third worst team in football last year. That’s it from me on this one. Book closed for now.
September 22nd, 2008 at 12:02 pmAhhhhh… Don’t you just love it when Adam ignores facts that are presented to him…
September 22nd, 2008 at 3:53 pmIgnores what facts? Matt Ryan is 2-1. That is the only fact that matters. By the way, Joe Flacco is 2-0. In the end, those are the only stats that matter. Kind of like 0-1 and 0-7. All…I…have…to…say
September 22nd, 2008 at 4:06 pmYou know who else is 2-1? A pretty under-the-radar guy, who was taken LATE in the draft, and stepped in for the shoes of one of the best QB’s to ever play the game, after Tom Brady went down. That’s right, Matty C. Technically he’s not 2-1, as Tom started game one against us, but he played the whole game, and HE is the reason we lost. In the end, that’s all that matters, eh? Guess by that token we don’t need a highly touted QB, we could get by with a second day pick.
And by the way, Matt Ryan had a 29 QB Rating versus the Bucs. That’s not a ‘good day’ or a ‘good half’ at all. You thought Thigpen looked like shit this whole time he’s played… and he’s got a 38.3 QB Rating thus far.. Not too much difference. No, Matt Ryan did not look good in that game. Worse than Thigpen has looked, actually.
Also keep in mind Pat Surtain didn’t play yesterday, as well as the fact that their run game pretty much burned our barn down. That translates to us being scared of the run, sneaking CB’s and S’s closer to the LOS, and trying to stop the run, which MAKES our passing defense worse. The fact that our D was on the field for 487 hours isn’t an advantage either. So no, no he didn’t have a hard time playing against us, especially against two rookie CB’s, who granted, are good, but will make mistakes.
Also by the way, Tom Brady got hurt roughly halfway through the first, not a whole quarter of play. Also, they DID burn us. Tom Brady had 76 yards on 7-11 plays. And remember, on both drives Tom had, Welker and Moss, respectively, fumbled the balls away. (Moss’s fumble didn’t matter, as Tom was on the ground, cringing in pain, at the time.) Seeing as how Thigpen can only get around 150 yards a game, it’s burning us. Over the course of the game, we would have been screwed, probably.
Also remember, Ryan Leaf had a few good games before he totally fell back to earth in a harsh, brutal, and ultimately, satisfactory way. After he throws for 2500+ yards, with an almost 2:1 TD/pick ratio, and his team wins at least 8 games… Sure, say I told you so. You can’t evaluate rookies after 3 games.. 3 years, sure. 3 weeks of gametime, no. If that were the case, Dorsey would have to be rated as a mediocre pickup. He didn’t play awesomely the first two games, and he hasn’t been the huge runstopping force we all were craving. Give them time to develop before you declare shenanigans, or annoint someone the next big thing. (Matt Leinart was the next big thing. As was Vince Young. They started out nicely as well. Look where they are now.)
September 22nd, 2008 at 5:29 pmAs for Matt Cassell, he’s taken a team that was a minute or so away from going 19-0 last season and gotten blown out at home by the Dolphins two weeks after nearly losing at home to our Chiefs. Ugh. He’s one FA to avoid next year–there’s a reason he never started after high school.
September 22nd, 2008 at 5:37 pmha ha ha ha ha I knew I could draw you out for a couple more Adam.
September 22nd, 2008 at 5:40 pmBut Adam, those things don’t matter, right? He’s technically 2-1, which, as you said.. Quote: “Matt Ryan is 2-1. That is the only fact that matters.”
Matt Ryan is technically 2-1. That is all that matters. Case closed. Muhahaha.
September 22nd, 2008 at 5:45 pmDamnit, I meant Matt Cassell. I suck.
September 22nd, 2008 at 5:46 pmAw no argument, and here I was looking for some fun. LoL.
September 23rd, 2008 at 3:06 am