After taking time to calm down after the embarrassment handed to the Chiefs by the Faiders. You and I have to come to the conclusion and deal with it that the Chiefs are going to look like this more often than not this season. We were warned, some of us, including me, just didn’t heed the warning.
What we need to do is be sure and never forget games like the one on Sunday, and recollect on it next year when the Chiefs are a much improved team. Right?
Herm said at this year’s Super Bowl that “we” are two years away. He has told us time and time again that the players are going to make mistakes, and they have. He has said there are going to be some really ugly games, and there have been. He also said there will be some games where the Chiefs will show what they can be in the near future, we haven’t seen that yet, but who’s to say we won’t?
The Chiefs were down to 1 quarterback during the game, I still don’t agree with putting a WR back in the quarterback position for that many plays. I can understand one play, as a gimmick play to try and spark something, but to actually try to build some momentum, I just don’t know about that. I haven’t lost faith in Herman Edwards yet, and I hope you guys haven’t either. The last thing we need is the “fire Herm” propaganda spewing everywhere, that isn’t going to happen and it’s not going to help anything out. Carl has one more year on his contract and he stated when he hired Herm it would be the last coach he hired. Unless ownership steps in and says otherwise, Herm and Carl will be here, so get used to it.
Now for the grades.
A–The fans for actually sticking with the Chiefs, my brother has been a Cowboys fan since we were little boys and he lived through the 1-15 season and proudly wore his jersey. I think we can do the same. Chiefs fans are not “fair weather” fans, not this bunch anyways.
B–Dwayne Bowe–Coming back from a disappointing performance against the Patriots, let’s hope he does go back and forth this year.
C–Dustin Colquitt–My MVP so far for the season, if not for his ability to kick the ball deep consistently when the Chiefs go 3 and out, the opposing teams scores would be much higher.
D–McIntosh and Jones–The right side of this offensive line needs a swift kick in the back side. I can’t imagine that a team going with a youth movement can wait much longer before giving Richardson some time at the right tackle spot.
F–Tyler Thigpen–No brainer here, I can’t really blame Chan and Herm for the offensive disaster, Thigpen obviously has a lot of work to do before he can come close to being a NFL caliber quarterback.
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Well, Steven, no matter what Herman Edwards may say, his coaching philosophy is still flawed. You have to be able to score points in the modern NFL. Maybe his goofy philosophy would have worked back in 1966. Not today, not no way, not no how!!! Although I agree with drafting young players, letting them play, and drafting for the future, somewhere along the way you have to remember to play offense. Thinking that the main objective for the offense is to keep the defense off the field (resting) is absolutely ridiculous. The offense MUST score points. It is not about resting the defense, it is about scoring points. Until such time as the Chiefs have that philosophy, we will continue to lose.
Carl Peterson’s big thing (at least in his own mind) has always been that he could sell tickets and fill the stadium. That no longer appears to be the case and it concerns me.
I am still on board with Herm Edwards as coach and the approach he is taking to rebuild this team. If CP gets the axe because he can no longer sell tickets, then whoever comes in as the next President/GM will likely clean house. If that happens, the road to the Superbowl gets a lot longer.
Well hammer, I think his philosophy is the exact way you win football games. Solid running game and a strong defense. It’s not the philosophy that is flawed, it’s the players. He was down to one QB for the game, and that QB was not prepared, now you can blame that on Herm and his staff.
Herm took the JETS to the playoff’s 3 out of the 5 years he was the coach there. In the AFC East. If that is “flawed” then that’s ok with me.
I agree with the road getting a lot longer Double, a lot of fans are going to be calling for the Chiefs to draft a rookie and play him next year. Can you imagine how much longer it will be before he is ready to actually be a QB?
Chiefs should find a QB through free agency or trade to take over if croyle can’t make it the rest of the year…but that’s for a different post.
Well, Steven, we are not the Jets. (Thank heaven) Herm’s record and coaching abilities were unimpressive when he was with the Jets, and still are. Nothing has changed except he is wearing red rather than green and losing more. We will just have to agree to disagree.
The problem with young players is that they continuingly get older….. hmmmm…
Are we always going to be playing rookies???!!!! (Tongue in Cheek)
I am really dissapointed in a lot of chiefs fans. I think if you asked most of the fans two months ago if they were prepared to take a step back to get younger and contend down the road they would have all said yes.
After two games, 3/4 of the chiefs fans want everyone gone. Granted the Oakland game was a disgrace, but the New England game was not bad. This is a young team that has to learn to play in the NFL. Anybody who thought we where better than a 5 to 6 win football team this year does not understand the NFL. This is part of the process. It will start out slow, but hopefully it continues to improve through the year.
It should not be a shock to anyone that our offense struggled against Oakland. This is a young offense that was going to struggle early this seaseon if we had no injuries. We had our third string quarterback playing. How many teams could move the ball effectively in this league with their third string quarterback. The answer is not too many, and in fact lots of teams don’t even have 3 quarterbacks on the team.
Be patient! There will be ups and downs this year. Enjoy watching the developmentof some good young players and hope they can reach their potential.
The only major dissapointment I have to date is in Croyle’s injury. I didn’t know if he was to be our long term answer at quaterback, but we needed this year to find out. I now fear he can’t stay healthy and we may never get this answered.
If anybody thinks that firing the coach will speed up the maturation process of young players you are mistaken. Herm is the perfect coach to take a young team that will struggle at times and keep them motivated and progressing.
I realize this post is all over the place, but I am really tired of everyone flipping out over being 0-2 to start the year. What really did you expect this year?
nice post saskwatch I feel calmer already.
Saskwatch, the only place Herm is qualified to take a young team is straight to the trash heap. By the way, I have always thought Herm is the pits so I am not freaking out over two games. Here are the facts. We are eleven games into the longest losing streak in Chiefs history. The offense has been non-existent during that stretch. It doesn’t seem to matter who is hurt, who is in the game, who the opponent is, the offense has consistently been horrendous. We have had two different offensive coordinators, and the offense still sucks. Get the picture? The common denominator is the head coach, Herm Edwards. Now you tell me, is it that Herm can’t draft good players and field a decent offense, or is it that the players are fine and he just can’t coach? I’ll go with the latter. Why don’t you guys just wake up and see what is going on?
Nice Post Hammer I feel angrier already.
according to ESPN Thigpen to start sunday at falcons
KANSAS CITY, Mo. — Tyler Thigpen, a second-year pro who set passing records as an All-American for Coastal Carolina, will start at quarterback for the Kansas City Chiefs on Sunday against Atlanta.
Kansas City coach Herm Edwards made the announcement Wednesday.
Thigpen came in for Damon Huard last week and hit 14 of 33 passes for 151 yards and one touchdown and one interception in a 23-8 loss to the Oakland Raiders. His only other game action came in 2007 in a 24-10 loss to San Diego.
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Jeremy, you crack me up man! LMAO!
I’m glad Thigpen is getting the start. Huard can’t hack it and isn’t gonna help these players develop for the future. Not to say Thiggy will, but I really feel he hasn’t been given a fair shake yet. So many people here defended Brodie going into this season, saying he hasn’t had the chance to start behind even a mediocre O-Line and didn’t have LJ back. Well, give Thigpen the reps while Brodie is out. At least let him get one start after a full week of being able to practice with his receivers. He had almost no practice with first team WRs and so he had no timing worked out with them. Now, with a week to prepare with his team, he will have a fair shot at it. I mean, even towards the end of the Raiders game, after he had some time behind center to calm down and figure out how his receivers run routes he was able to make some throws (I believe 6/8 in the scoring drive). Based on what I’ve seen from him in the preseason and last week, he’s the kinda guy that might make some mistakes early on, but learns from it throughout the game and gets better.
So I’m beggin my fellow members of Chiefs Nation to calm down, give Thiggy at least one start against a mediocre defensive team, and then rail into him next week if he fails.
Your grade of A to the fans is somewhat generous. A home opener, against the rival Raiders, and I saw way too many empty seats, but I guess that’s a sign of the times. I have tix to the Tampa Bay game Nov. 2, and I’m still going, but I bet by that time the stadium will only be half-full at kickoff. I think in general Chiefs fans are pretty loyal, but they are getting tested more than ever now. Well, it can’t get any worse, right?
I’m of mixed mind on who should start @ QB. On one hand, Thiglet’s timing and game skills should improve by having him practice and then play with the first team. On the other hand, I sort of feel that having an immobile pocket passer might force our OL to focus on improving its pass blocking.
I am fine with Thigpen getting the start. I am not a Huard fan, and although it might be painful, it is painful with Huard. Damon has really taken a step back. He know longer has the arm and seems to lack the desire (I see too much one, two, lay down).
I just hope that they put him in a position to be successful. I want to see play action passes down the field. Even if they are incomplete, we have to stretch the field or we will see Larry for 1 yard all year. Until we can pass on first down we are going to see 8 and 9 in the box, and we will not run the ball effectively.
No More Runs on every first down!!!! Please!!!!! Right Hammer?
Holy shit someone actually is respecting Thigpen and wanting to give him a fair shake? I think I’m going to go poke pencils into my eyes, so I never have to read anything like that again. Seriously? Just basing things off pre-season, Thiglet (and I’m not going to go look up his stats or I’ll beat my head against the wall for an hour because I know he’s starting this week,) had the WORST stats I’ve ever seen for a QB. I don’t think I need to keep mentioning the O’fer. And the one for -5. Yeesh. Casey Printers was the ONLY QB last pre-season to move the ball effectively, and look damn good doing it, and we simply boot the guy. IMO we’d be ALOT better off, had we just kept Printers, and never acquired Thigpen. After another year in the offense, BETTER playcalling (well, ha, that hasn’t worked out so far!) better line, and more work with the first team WR/TE/RB/FB, I think it’d be nice.
And again.. for everyone who doesn’t get it.. We knew the Chiefs would be bad. Well, maybe not BAD bad, but we knew they’d have.. let’s say.. ‘a rough road ahead’? We knew it wasn’t going to be peachy the whole way through. We’re not freaking out because of that. During the off-season, we were promised change. We knew it would take time to get what we want, but there were some things that were supposed to be immediate. Even when Brodie and Damon were in, our playcalling was plain shit. *Btw, wtf is up with no playaction? Like 3-4 years ago, we used to be THE playaction team in the league.* Of course, when Thigpen had to come in, legitimately, a 3rd stringer.. you’re supposed to scale back the offense and take it easy.. But he ran the EXACT SAME THING. That’s my problem.
Chan was supposed to be innovative.. Supposed to be able to get everything out of our guys. I bashed Solari senseless for having crappy playcalling, but all along, it may have been Herm. If so, I don’t care who it is, someone; the owner, GM, SOMEONE needs to tell Herm to get his hands out of the offensive cookie jar. That and the fact that Thigpen has absolutely no touch.. Even a third stringer in the NFL is supposed to be able to throw it fairly accurately and with the right amount of zing. You don’t bullet it to your FB when he’s 5 yards away from you. You don’t lob it when your WR is 15 yards downfield wide open. But he has. Those are my problems.
Otherwise; I think the defense looks OK.. They have the same problem we’ve had for years.. They’re simply on the field too long.. but other than that, they look OK. Especially the secondary. The O.. I see great promise in the line.. at least the left side of it + Herb Taylor, and maybe Barry Richardson, if he develops. With depth (and with depth comes competition) I see them working out nicely. At FB I’m happy for the first time since Tony Richardson left. That’s fine as well. RB’s.. well, on paper we’re better than we have been in awhile. But that’s on paper. WR we’re obviously moving in the right direction, especially if Franklin comes along like we hoped. And at TE, Cottam is virtually the Brodie of TE’s. He’s good, and shows flashes of brilliance at times, and then he’ll get hurt. I told you guys this from the beginning. But overall, I think we ARE improving.. We’re just handicapped by shoddy playcalling and shoddy personnel moves. That’s all I’m sayin’. It is what it is.
Hammer says no more runs on first down. I have spoken!
Hey Jeremy, I was trying to do my best Iron Eyes Cody impersonation on post #20!
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Nice Hammer.
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Wednesday, 5:01 p.m.
Chiefs fans, perhaps upset with today’s announcement that Tyler Thigpen will start at QB against the Falcons, have launched a Web site to campaign the team to bring in a new QB. From TheBigLead.com:
“With the struggles of Derek Anderson and the Cleveland offense — tied for last in points per game and third to last in yards per game; this week, good luck in Baltimore — we can’t see the Browns parting with Brady Quinn. But don’t let that get in the way of hopeful Chiefs’ fans, who have started a Get Brady Now Web site.”
The complete Big Lead story is here.
The Get Brady Now Web site is here.
QUAID’S LOOSE LIPS FORCE FALCONS TO SCRAMBLE
Posted by Mike Florio on September 17, 2008, 6:44 p.m.
A source in Atlanta tells us that the Falcons invited actor Dennis Quaid to attend practice on Wednesday, as part of Quaid’s promotion of his new film, The Express.
As part of his visit, Quaid got some inside information about what the Falcons plan to do this weekend against the Chiefs.
And then Quaid blabbed to the press about it.
We’re told that the Falcons then called various media outlets and essentially begged them not to use the tape.
Regarding the content, all we know is that Quaid said something about an unbalanced line.
I actually linked that Brady site in my Vick article, but thanks for the update, Jeremy. All of the updates! I’ll have more on Thigpen soon–just disgusted right now.
Good to see Herm come to his senses and start Thigpen instead of Huard. A week too late, but oh well. Now, he has to make the same decision replacing the waste of time known as Damion McIntosh wityh Barry Richardson or Herb Taylor.