I thought going into this game the Oakland Raiders were the worst team in the NFL, then I watched the game and discovered otherwise. It is often said that the NFL is a “quarterback-driven league“, the Chiefs have no quarterback.
I’m going to make this short and sweet, or at least try to. I am suffering from a cold or something with like symptoms and watching the game today against the Raiders really didn’t do anything to help me out.
First off, any of you out there that post a comment stating any kind of “good” that came out of this game or “positive” then really, you honestly need to take the red-colored glasses off and think about. The MVP of the Chiefs so far this year just like last year is the punter-Dustin Colquitt. Period.
The offense was putrid, the line was awful, and I can’t even start on Tyler Thigpen other than to say he obviously has no business playing in the NFL. He needs another year on the practice squad before he dare step onto an NFL field again. The Chiefs put a WR in the quarterback position and actually ran more than one play with him in there. Once, I get it, but to actually think you can pull that kind of crap off on a continual basis in this league is laughable. Chan Gailey seems to think he is still in college, there is a reason the “spread” offense is not implemented in the NFL-it doesn’t work. There is too much speed as proven today. That was one of the worst games I’ve ever watched as a Chiefs fan…ever, and I’m not kidding.
The defense, especially the line and linebackers really have step back and take a look at themselves in the mirror and ask; “do I want to be here?”. Because I have to tell you, they sure don’t act like it. The Oakland Raiders pushed the D-line of the Chiefs backwards all day long. The games are won and lost by the play of the lines, today was a prime example of that. The linebackers got blocked all day and Oakland ran all over the Chiefs. This team might be worse than last year, after today’s performance I’m not sure anyone could make a case otherwise.
What’s more disturbing than the fact they got their collective butts handed to them by the Faiders is the Chiefs showed no fire during the game-ever. The Chiefs lost before they ever took the field. My brother said it best late into the second quarter when he quipped; “It’s as if the Chiefs didn’t even have a game plan drawn up for this game, just kinda making it up as they go along.”
Amen.
Draft Watch…
Well, might as well start talking about who the Chiefs will take in next year’s draft. Some have decided that Matt Stafford, QB out of Georgia is the #1 rated QB if he decides to come out next spring. I made a point to watch the game this Saturday between the Bulldogs and the Gamecocks of South Carolina and I have to tell you he was awful. I couldn’t believe the lack of touch, missing wide open receivers, not seeing wide open receivers. If I would have to guess which NFL player he reminds me of the most I would have to say the great Heath Shuler. On second thoughts, he might be the perfect fit for the Chiefs.
Next loss stop Atlanta where I will go ahead and predict Michael Turner will have 147 yards rushing and 2 TD’s. Chiefs lose 28-10. Unless Damon Huard plays then it will be 28-10.
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Wow….I think you said it all Adam….I could have still had my red colored glasses on if I could find something good out of today…but I could not. It was almost like the whole team folded included the coaching staff.. I think Warpaint said it correctly when he said that Chan is trying to get the line to do what he wants rather than doing what they can do. And maybe what they can do is not going to cut it in the national football league. Certainly the right side of our line is useless….we need to either start Herb Taylor and forget about Macintosh….he is a waste of time. His legs are not holding up on the right side. Or Maybe we should let him play the left tackle slot where he is adequate and play brandon on the right tackle slot,with Herb Taylor playing guard….at least we would have our 5 best linemen on the field. But the problem with our line should have been evident earlier….but regardless if what you are saying is true about quarterbacks this year, it seems that we are in bad shape. There is no way the fans will put up with this for 3 years….
This makes me remember myself making a joke last season that seems to be more and more true as i think about it. Now im no experienced coach. I have one season of Assistant Senior Coaching under my belt and alot of madden game play time, thats about it. But I can say, honestly, and believe my own words, that i could manage a game and the play calling better than the chiefs coaches have done over the past two games. Not the training aspect, or technecality of Pro level coaching but i could win alot of games with this chiefs team. Now thats no shot at the chiefs coaches, I think Herm is a great head coach and a great scouter of talent. I think Chan has great experience and with the right weapons can be a very effective Off. Coordinator and Gun, well Gun is just Gun. But seriously, they seem to live in their own indervidual worlds with no real conection to each other and the chiefs. Herm wants ball control offense and cover two defense. Chan wants Power running, roll out and play action offense. Gun wants a heavy blitzing, agressive Defence. I have no real idea what their master plan is, or what they are truly trying to achieve, but they are going about it the wrong way. I will say this though. The past two games, we have been in a position to win. The game plan has been in place and has almost worked two weeks in a row. Correct execution can only be achieved by the players. A coach cannot go onto the feild himself and play.
I believe that with Larry Johnson, Tony G, and D-bowe on my offense, and with an average O-line, i could move the ball so much better than this chiefs team. Using basic High school packages and play calling, as per my knowledge, i have no doubt that i could average alot more than the chiefs current efforts.
All I heard all offseason was how the chiefs have simplified their offense for the Qbs ease and how our running game would be so much more successful under Chancer. All I see is an under achieving, poorly executed game plan, with less yardage than a pee wee footall game. The chiefs need to refer back to basic football techniques and build from there. Again something we read but have yet to see. Where are the basic plays that almost everyone knows. Hook routes, Slants, Simple cross patterns, RB screens, sweep plays, the Fly route, Hail Marys. Any team from Pee wee to the pros can pull of these plays. I hate watching every other game on TV and seeing offences using basic plays and throwing to open wide recievers…
Now im sure whoever reads this will just think im another angry fan, who thinks he can do a better job than a Professional football coach. Well you would be right. I am. But ask yourself, would you rather coaches than can’t win games, or a complete lunitic who could promise you a show, and possibly some wins.
Vote “Tim” for the next offensive co-ordinator for the Kansas City Chiefs.
PS. Im going to spend some time this week writing up my own offensive and defensive game plans for our next opponents. If you would like to read it, I will happily post it before next week’s game. It will be basic but I think most football fans will be able to understand it. Also keep in mind; I don’t have access to the opponent’s game film so I will be going on a limb for some of my strategies.
The defensive backfield looked actually very capable again of handling most anyone they come up against, again. Pollard was the MVP. He provided three very very big plays that inspired the crowd, but led to nothing. Those linebackers as a group could not get off their blocks all day it seems as though they wanted to blitz the Russell rather than actually play the short zone underneath.
This and the offensive predictability, shows that the weight of this debacle must fall on Herms shoulders- squarely. He did NOT prepare this team. His coaches did NOT make adjustments at halftime. The gameplan melted as a result, early and often.
Lamar Hunt is rolling over in his grave, while Gene Upshaw was being resurrected.
All this while Clark counts his pennies… he is building a shiny new stadium inevitably without a franchise… maybe some high school teams will play in it? Like the Sprint center a home for no one in particular.
The Problem is Herm Edwards..I’m not huge on “lets fire” carl peterson..Honestly, I personally feel that Herm Edwards is to blame for this teams demise..I think the youth movement is a good idea and sure things are not going to go smoothly..But yesterday was all coaching..Herm has this team 0-2 for the third straight year..He is a good motivational speaker, a players coach, and has a talent for spotting talent..That’s it..He’s a terrible in game coach..
I remember when the chiefs used to blow away teams..Actually drive up the score..Yet Herm wouldn’t wanna do that because that would mean keeping the defense on the field for wayy to long or playing arean league ball…Who Gives a fuck Herm? The point of the game is to score fucking touchdowns, not see who can hold the ball the longest..This guy is a clown who I hope gets out of town at the end of this season..I’m honestly pulling for us to lose as much as possible so this guy is out..
I just figured it out!
Every game will be like a pre-season game this year.
I don’t like it, but every game will be like a pre-season game until Management decides that they have all the pieces in place and are ready to win.
Just like where I work, Management has the right to decide the method and means of how to run the company.
Other employees, outside groups, and I all think we know what is best, but when it comes down to it, we are the employees and we have the duty to do our job how our Management tells us to (hear me LJ?).
You would think at the NFL level that an off-season would be enough time to get the team ready, but obviously it wasn’t.
What stinks is that from the owner on down, I believe they are all on board with this trial and error season, and you know what, I might just be fine with it if they told us all the truth, but you and I know they won’t because they want a s s e s in the seats.
It is pretty bad when you start to hope for losses to help get people off the team but this office is so horrible that’s what it’s come too. It seems like it is going to take an 0 and 16 season before they end this QB experiment, and maybe begin to look at spending money for a QB and or O Line, and maybe even get Herm and Carl fired. It’s sad I don’t know which would be better, wins with a rotting franchise like this or the losses it’s going to take to get some things happening.
Does anyone else feel like I do and get the sense that we owe it to Tony G to trade him to a contender?
Seriously, this guy is the best tight end in the history of the NFL, has carried this franchise, has always kept pretty quiet in the locker room, and has never had any off field issues but has represented the chiefs like a true pro should.
I know he’s getting paid crazy money but it’s almost sad to see him on the field with these other guys. In the second half thiggy never even TOOK HIS EYES OFF HIM downfield. If we don’t trade him this season look for a demanded trade next offseason.
At least get him out of town so Thiggy dosn’t get him killed going over the middle.
The Chiefs are definitely not the RX for a cold, Steve. Good piece. Chan Gailey was atrocious. However, I actually think Bernard Pollard is the team’s MVP so far. I also do think that there is actually one NFL team worse than the Chiefs, and they play right across I-70–the Rams. It’s a toss up.
The question I keep having to ask myself is whether it is Chan Gailey’s playcalling or the leash that Herm has put on him?
LETTER TOO THE ANGRY VILLAGERS WITH TORCHES AND PITCHFORKS
Ok, for starters, unclench.
Fact 1: We knew this wasn’t going to be a playoff year
Fact 2: We knew that we still need to shore up our linebackers and O Line (Oh and QB…like I’ve been saying for 10 months)
Fact 3: If we aren’t going to be a play off team, the best strategy is to position ourselves well for the 09 draft (which is going swimmingly)
I’m all for tossing Peterson under the bus; have been for years
Herm, on the other hand, might not be the best X and O’s coach, but he is a wizard at drafting real talent (which is what we need more in 08 going into 09)
If you guys wana throw herm under the bus, talk to me in the 09 season after the 09 draft. I might be willing to budge then.
But forget about overanalizing this game. This was just a simple case of a young team falling apart without solid QB leadership. The End. An example of a veteran team without a QB is the Patriots. You can see how those guys are so used to winning that they can go through the motions with a 2nd string QB and get it done. Its just a simple matter of experienced talent v. unexperienced talent. So, quit freaking out. Embrace the fact that the best thing for the chiefs this year is to lose, lose, lose . This will bring us excellent draft positioning (which we need). Better leverage to get ahold of Quinn (which we really need). And, a better chance to have a real playoff caliber team in 09. Once that is done, I will rexamine the possibility of dropping the hammer on Herm.
AGHHHH!!!!! sigh sigh sigh. ARGH!!!!!! I am at a loss for words. I have never been so embarassed as a fan.
Well Adam, I thought about the RAMS, but they played the contending Super Bowl Champions yesterday and scored some points. The Chiefs played the Raiders who got blown out of the water by the Broncos in week 1. IF theh Chiefs lose to Atlanta, then I would say there is little doubt the Chiefs are the worse team in the NFL.
The worst team in the NFL will likely be decided at the end of December when the Chiefs play Miami and Cinci. Those teams are horrible.
The only thing meaningful in those two games will be draft position.
I don’t get why everyone seems to believe Herm is a master talent evaluator..Have we seen the eventual fruition of this years draft? Have any of his pics become all stars yet? That’s what I thought..Let’s not just hold on to this guy because we’ve heard from everyone else he can judge talent, when I have yet to find an NFL all star from his draft class.
I agree with you sandya. This “talent” Herm is finding is doing what for us, exactly? Fielded us Croyle, Thigpen, Ingles Martin, Pat Thomas, Nap Harris, kept Booby Sippio on the roster, and been an overall disgrace to our offense. Can he find decent DB’s? Yes. But I don’t see anyone great on the field. So far he’s fielded a team that has continually floundered on both sides of the ball.
There’s no point in pointing fingers at which side was worse. Simple fact is, the Chiefs suck. And nothing is going to come out of this year.
The Authors of message 16 and 17 can find there answers in message 12. You can’t lose wothout having some losers on the team. LOL. You will drive yourself crazy if you look for alot bright spots and alot of victories this year. The sad thing is that I think we could win more games then we lose this year with Huard or Croyle but, it is obvious Herm is tanking it for another great draft.
Noone great? I’d point out we probably have our 2 CB’s of the future in Carr and Flowers, who have looked like studs thus far. Do you not remember D-Bowe’s rookie year, which should have been a thousand yard rookie year, where he would join elite company in being one of the few receivers his rookie year to catch 1,000 yards?
And I have a real problem with saying ‘this years picks haven’t turned into all-stars, blah blah blah’ You know what? What about Turk, who’s played very nicely? Albert has played tremendously well, despite missing time, and being on a line that I myself could go and legitimately play on. JamCharles hasn’t looked bad, and if they’d use him correctly, he would be a nice 2nd punch in a 1-2 combination. The two CB’s and the safety we got out of this draft have played excellently for rookies. Take it all in stride, they are ROOKIES (or 2nd year guys). They’ve played in TWO GAMES so far in their professional career.
Look at it like this..
Think back to when you first started highschool. The first couple days, you had no idea where your classes were, you didn’t know who exactly everyone was, teachers (coaches) and students (players) alike. You kinda just floated by and did your best and eventually you got the hang of it, and you did well. It’s their 2nd damn game, don’t make or break them yet. And if you’re planning on finding all-stars from a rookie class, you’ll be sadly lacking. We won 4 freakin’ games last year, there’s no way we can compare that team to this team, until we go through the season. We lost 2 games so far, people, it doesn’t mean the year is over. Unless of course Thigpen is our starter the rest of the way, and Chan Gailey; in his senile and quickly-degrading share of wisdom, keeps calling plays like Solari. Then, yeah, the year is over.
>>Herm, on the other hand, might not be the best X and O’s coach, but he is a wizard at drafting real talent<<
Which is why we should put him back in Bill’s office where he started with the Chiefs 15 or so years ago and get ourselves a real coach. We shouldn’t play to win the time of possession battle, we should play to win the game. I agree we have three different coaches with three different philosophies and one is screwing up the other two. Maybe (ugh) Solari wasn’t so bad after all.
You guys keep giving Herm the credit of being able to draft real talent…. And while I agree with you all, I STILL think he should be booted (AS THE HEAD COACH!). Stick him in there as a talent scout for the Kansas City Chiefs. Because how much sense does that make? Thats like being able to recognize great cars, buying them and then driving them like shit and crashing each one of them. Again he can be a talent scout with a great deal of validity. But its scary to think that we’re anything like the Oakland Raiders… Great players… Horrible plays… No wins.
Oakland had players like Randy Moss, Warren Sapp, Dominique Rhodes, and Dante Cullpepper And they couldnt do shit. On the other hand… We have players like Larry Johnson, Tony Gonzalez, Dwayne Bowe, Donnie Edwards, and Glenn Dorsey And cant do shit….
When Raider fans told me “Oh yeah!! We’re signing Javon Walker!”, “Hell yeah , We got D.Hall!!” or “RUN DMC BABY!!” I would shrug it off, cause I knew that the Raiders NEVER utilize their players. They could never bring out the best in them (Ask Randy Moss)…. But Is IT SO? Does it seem like WE are the same???????
Well, just for the sake of it; which of us (Raiders and Chiefs) have gone to the Super Bowl in the last 10 years? How about 35 years? They’ve utilized better than us, even though they’re on a current slump. We’ve had a few good teams, but they were too unbalanced. Just like Indy, who couldn’t win with only a super-charged offense, once their offense slowed down a bit, and their D stepped up, they had a championship to show for it. We’ve had great defenses and great offenses, but never at the same time as a competent offense or defense, respectively. We’re going balanced, but it wasn’t going to happen overnight. However, if our offense looks like crap, like it has, I can’t see a balanced anything. I see our D getting dominated late in games, from being on the field too long. I see our offense looking like crap, Tony G. retiring in humiliation, D-Bowe and LJ demanding trades, and everything to fall apart. Ball control offense? We don’t HAVE an offense. At least not with Thigpen out there. We should just send Colquitt out there and punt it directly back to the other team. Or I’d be cool with kneeling it 3 times and then a punt. It’d save us some time, and embarassment, while we waiting for Thigpen to make a play. *HA!*
There are a lot of things I’m frustrated about after yesterday’s debacle. Circus. freak show. Whatever you want to call it. I’ve finally bottomed out. I’m tired of the play-not-to-lose philosophy. I keep saying this, but Chan actually showed more reasonable play-calling in preseason than he has in two weeks of games that matter. And the fact that apparently the Chiefs are phasing LJ out, well … that’s just ridiculous. I have tickets to the Tampa Bay game, but at this point, it feels like it’s a burden to go, instead of a joy … we’ll see.
Welcome to being REAL fans guys. Your mettle is being tested.
It’s not the fact that we’re bad that is angering us, it’s the fact that we should be so much better, we’re just not utilizing guys like they should be used, we’re not doing simple things that should be easy, we’re not playing quarterbacks that have any shot of being a real NFL quarterback, etc etc. It doesn’t mean we’re not real fans, by any stretch of the imagination. And seriously, Adrian Jones may not be as bad as I’ve made him out to be, but Herb Taylor has got to start playing soon. He earned his bones at LT during last season and this pre-season. RG/RT spots are a helluva lot easier to play than LT. He’s definetly got more upside, seeing as how those guys have been playing for years and years, and he’s a second year guy. We made this mistake with Turley, and Welbourne, and we’re doing the same thing again. It’s bad judgement. We’re rebuilding, and have decent young talent, so let’s sit it behind 9-10 year veterans who are on the downside of their careers, and were never great to begin with. Yeehaw. I’m starting to be drawn towards the Fire Herm! crowd.
well, actually there was somer good that came out of this, if our year stays like this there is no way in hell that karl peterson or herm edwards will be back next season…thank god!
I agree with centaur27. I’m tired of seeing our truly talented players lose because of the lack of play by others and poor coaching. This offense is so dismal and boring to watch. Dick V. took average offensive players and made them look great! Why can’t Herm do it? I love the CHIEFS, but I gave up my season tickets the second year of Hermball. There appeared to be a lot of empty seats yesterday. This has gotten to be too much and how much longer will Clark Hunt buy into Hermanisms?
WHere’s that crowd that thought we were going 11-5…hmm that’s a mystery as Tommy Boy would say.
Herm is horrible.
Brodie is a non-factor.
Now we are losing LJ.
Like the financial crisis, this is going to get worse before it gets better. If we even have money to get from the bank next week.
I dont even know what to say. As a fan I am disgusted and appalled by the play of the chiefs. I am in Iraq right now and have not seen a game yet other than the ones AFN plays and it is definately not the chiefs. As I watched the scoreboard and saw us down 9-0 I went to bed and then saw the score in the morning and immediately got sick. I for one want CP and Herm gone. Clark has got to be fuming right now!