Whitlock's Wingman (Huh?), Homerism And "Broadway" Brodie Boller

So wait, DD whines about something so now the rest of us don't even get a chance to be offended, NOT FAIR!

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I say we just concentrate on being positive about the chiefs situation -

there's not much we can do.

we can be the twelvth man when we're in the stands getting loud -

and I believe in the 13th man, the media and the "fans" feeding the players (with positive karma and feedback from week to week,) in between games.... Yeah, Karma.

Carl is to Whitless as Roe V Wade is to the Republican base. They need them to rail against and stir up the masses.

Whitlock says he is one of Belichick's "biggest fans" (he may be speaking in literal terms here, we don't know) and that "we're grid iron soul mates".

Those statements really explain a lot. Now I know where his dumbass remarks and foul attitude come from.

I'm not quite prepared to write Brodie off just yet, but if our O-line improves on last year and LJ stays healthy, he should be able to put up decent numbers if he's good as they think he is. On the other hand, if he plays as ordinary as he did during the pre-season, Duante Culpepper is going to look like an attractive option.

Jefferson has nothing to do with football either, but he always spoke about dissent as a necessary thing, so we were basically eluding to the same thing.

Nothing is wrong with being a homer. I just think those of us who get poached for putting down our rose-colored glasses get a little frustrated sometimes, and maybe that comes off as anti-homer sentiment.

JFK has nothing to do with football...

I'm just pointing out that just because Adam and I dissent on Chiefs strategy doesn't make us NOT CHIEFS FANS. Most of the regular commenters on here are homers and that's to be expected. Just don't hate on us because we tend to put down our rose colored glasses once and a while.

D.J.,

I have no problem saying I was wrong. I also would rather get what I want then be right, and have stated so on many occasions.

At the same time, I'm not going to let fear of being wrong hold me back from speaking my mind. I also enjoy writing as much as I do watching my Chiefs. That my sound weird, but whether it's A.A., freelance or a screenplay, the keyboard is my field.

I actually kind of have split-personality disorder when it comes to the Chiefs. There is Arrowhead Adam, who speaks his mind up until game time, then there is Adam, who roots for the Chiefs for 60 minutes with all his heart. I keep the two separate, and it's worked well so far.

I'll keep all of that in mind, though, and thanks for the compliments. I do think Whitlock hates Carl, but I do agree that he is his cash cow. That and race.

Adam

Whitlock doesn't hate Carl. Far from it. He's his biggest cash cow. Once Peterson is gone, he's got to go to all the trouble of setting up a new villain. That's a lot of work for a big man.

Sorry to tell you this Adam, but while you have a nice site here that I like a great deal and I enjoy your sense of humor, your views are not as unique as you would probably like to believe. There are hundreds of thousands if not millions of Chiefs fans and the range of opinions on them range from completely and utterly hopeless Homer to the guy that watches every game in the hopes that his least favorite guys get hurt so he can laugh about it. Everyone else is some combination of everything in between.

The problem I see many people have is they take a position on the coach, or the philosophy or certain players, and they put themselves in a situation where if they are wrong about those guys and they succeed, they cannot bring themselves to be happy about it. Oh, they always SAY they will be the happiest person in the world if they are wrong, but they never quite get around to admitting to themselves much less anyone else that they were wrong.

You don't want to put yourself in a position to be one of those guys thats the buzzkill at the party where everyone else is happy but you just HAVE to interject some little negative comment about one of the guys you've taken a previous stance against to take something away from them. You're not there yet, but its a short jump from trying to make yourself out to be "objective" by being critical of your team to just being a negative haranguer that only shows his face when theres something bad to talk about.

I'd rather be called a hopeless homer any day than be THAT guy. I enjoy watching the Chiefs more than I enjoy being right.

xxlp I'm kinda old to be "much to hyper" maybe a litte hyper LOL

I haven't been here since last Fri. so just catching up. ;)

So do I have to like every player that has been drafted during the Carl Peterson era equally? WTF? By that logic, I should like Trazelle Jenkins as much as Will Shields, or Sly Morris as much as Dwayne Bowe. WOW!

I've been as hard on Whitlock as anyone alive, but I'm not just hard on him to be hard on him. What cracks me up is that the same people who say that he's always hard on Carl just because he hates him, are always hard on Whitlock just because they hate him.

Nobody is my master. If anything, I've been under seige for having almost "maverick" (since that word is so popular right now) views when it comes to the Chiefs.

And I'm not saying things to try and be "bad" or negative or a prick, I'm just being straight forward. Still, I'll expect everyone to remember the 25% of the time I'm wrong, and forget the 75% of the time I'm right. It kind of goes with the territory when you cover sports I suppose.

May the force be with you, Brodie Skywalker and Herm Solo, you guys will need it. D.J., you can be R2DJ2 and just beep your little heart out following their trail.

Adam, Adam. *sigh* You disappoint me.

You have been assimilated by the Blorg that is Whitlock the Hutt. I thought you much smarter than to actually believe that Whitlock has any interest in the Chiefs whatsoever except as his whipping post. Was it when he started sweet talking the Sippio Fanatics that turned you?

Have you ever heard Whitlock in front of a national audience talk about the Chiefs? Of course you haven't. He wants the national audience to forget that he's stuck in "fly over country". Frankly he's embarrassed that he's been vanquished to this small market because of his Rush Limbaugh-like shock approach to "journalism" (if you can call it that).

Whitlock abuses the Chiefs because he knows it angers half the fanbase to the point that they just HAVE to read what "that idiot Whitlock wrote THIS time" and the whips the other half into a mob of raving lunatic haters. He has crafted Carl Peterson, a not very likable guy to begin with, into his own personal Darth Vader, and has convinced the great unwashed that if you want to be a REAL fan, you have to trash your team every chance you get. After all, otherwise you're just a homer to be pointed at and ridiculed.

No, Whitlock doesn't love the Chiefs. He doesn't even like them, at least no more than a carpenter "likes" his hammer. That's all the Chiefs are to Whitlock. A tool to further his career.

I guess you have learned from your master well Adam. You've learned that if you are negative when things are bad (which is much of the time, especially during a rebuild) you can say that you're just being honest and that people that think the coach knows what he's doing, or that the young QB who was drafted by the same guy that drafted several of your favorite players needs a year to prove himself are hopelessly optimistic homers who should be laughed at.

But when things are good, everyone will be so happy that things are good that they won't hold the bad things you said against you, and if they do, you can always say "Why can't you just be happy the team is doing well?".

You're heading to a dark place my friend. I hope you can be saved before you turn completely to the Fat Side.

Your response to my post Adam seemed to miss my point....I said that it was impossible to know what will happen and cited stats to justify my position. I agree there is at least a 50/50 chance that you maybe correct about your analysis...but nothing so far that has happened can give us a clear idea on this. There are too many variables. THe real point I made is that premature judgements such as yours, would have removed some of the best quarterbacks of all time. That fact is indisputable.

It ia also a fact that the Giants fans were blaming Manning for the problems with the team and used much of the same language you did.

And as to your point that the defense won the last superbowl, I would agree to some extant but it was not the defense who threw the touchdown pass that won the game....at least if my memory serves me correctly...

And I also have heard Herm say numerous times we need to see if Brodie is the guy and that will take some time. So although he backs Herm, you can tell he is open to other options. But surely you know that as a coach, Herm can not admit to doubts about players publically because that would definately influence the performance of the player. He has to back his guy....but again he has said he needs to be given a chance, which is a round about way of saying that the jury is out about him..

I do not know that all the commentators around the whole league are saying that Brodie is a wasted pick. In fact I have heard numerous commentators say exactly what I posted...that because our line was crap and we did not have our starting running back, so that the jury is still out on Brodie. So it is not true that everyone agrees with your analysis. Also I have heard numerous players say that Brodie is our guy...Including our all pro tight end....

Hey if Brodie fails than that is also good as it gives us a great draft pick to get our starting quarterback. Lets face it, if Brodies is not our guy then I do agree with you, lets lose some games so that we can draft a quarterback and throw that dart with our eyes closed. I Have heard our new team owner state several times that his priority is to draft a quarterback and have that be our franchise quarterback because he feels that it is our best chance to go to the superbowl. And statisitically speaking it is correct that a franchise quarterback usually comes from the draft.

And as to Herms record....he has a good record at getting into the playoffs and has won two playoff games....that record is better than most coaches...as he has only been a coach for 7 years ( I think) Before you start to attack what I said, remember I said getting into the playoffs and I was not talking about the over all wins and losses....

By the way what does kennedy quotes have to do with football? Sorry I could not resist that one...I think in arguements terms that is called trying to reach for help....Football teams do better when the team plays as a team and everyone is behind each other...so criticism can be a double edged sword....the same with fans for teams....the chiefs have won numerous games because of their fans.

Anyone else think JohnNDallas is much, MUCH too hyper!!!?!!! :P

LOL, after today I started wondering the same thing

What ever happened to our old Buddy SBC? Gustav blow him away?

DD I don't see a political discussion brewing in the comments, I just don't want to see Adam censoring himself because some/any Homer goes "LA-LA-LA" and covers his ears because there's a political reference in with his football talk!

I'll give Brodie a shot, but I don't want to. I just don't understand the lack of even one or two FA signings on the line. I mean, we pay LJ all that money...why let him get abused? Why not just trade him too?

I am neither for or against Brodie, If he gets his shot this yr and sucks, Ill throw him under the bus myself, a big greyhound thats going to Texas. and hopefully he grabs on for the ride. I would say this for any QB that we have or get, It takes time to develope and when your getting sacked every other play it takes even longer. Now their will be a stacked backfield as an option. Last yr we had a few good players. LJ got hurt and that was one less. None of them could get down on the line and block for Brodie.I am all for this being his last chance. If he proves himself then great and if he doesnt, I dont really like Tebow but the guy from WV looks pretty good I think.

Right on writer! This is the second of your post that I have agreed with 100%.

Lets just look at some very simple stats.
Kyle Boller: games played 53! games started 42! pass att. 1311!!

Brodie Croyle: games played 11! games started 6! pass att. 231!!

Crane,

It was a rather tame comment about the Sarah Palin pick that indicated which way I lean politically. Other than bashing Bush (and even then), people get extremely grumpy when I get political at all, so I'd rather just not deal with it.

You know that the homerism is getting ridiculous when you have to quote JFK and I have to quote Thomas Jefferson in the same day. Wow!

My favorite comment of the day...

Dissent is not Anti-American or Anti-Chiefs for that matter.

Sometimes being negative to call for something truly positive is a much more positive step than being positive just to be positive, then watching in shock when things go negative. Free passes help no one.

Not offended Crane, just don't see what a potential political discussion would add here. Worse, it might get unnecessarily ugly (or crushingly boring) around here. Not taking sides, just saying . . .

LOL, Double D. If it was just me, that would be funny. But considering how the entire rest of the league and all its media think that Brodie Croyle is a joke, I'm going to go with arrogance in general.

Don't you really mean how arrogant they are when it comes to their inability to consider your evaluation of talent? LOL!

Adam-Don't go back and delete your shit because someone cries about - God forbid- a political reference. No offense DD, I would say that to anyone's comment. Then we all wonder what was deleted.

As far as 1st round QB's that started slow but then look what they did...yeah...eventually they won some games, and they were all 1st round picks, not 3rd.

Are the Homers still going back to the old "We still don't know!" argument??
I think we do know and don't need to wait to see it coming, but there's not much we can do about it now but sit back and watch the train headed for the stationwago with ol Brodie sitting in it on the tracks. What are you guys gonna say when he gets hurt, (and he will) next year come draft time when Tebow or someone else is sitting there and we are on the clock...Cut to Brodie in a full body cast with "I need more time" scrawled on his torso in Sharpie?

Brodie is not a gunslinger...the idea of a Gunslinger QB is a mirage... something put into your brain from Brett Farve media-lust -from an NFL of 10 + years ago.

Comparing Manning/booing/home record to what could happen in KC if we don't support the team is ludicrous. NYG won because of Defense. Our D cannot save Brodie Croyle. I think "most" of us are mature enough to disagree with our QB choice, but still support the team. Dissent is not Anti-American or Anti-Chiefs for that matter.

My retort to the Give Brodie Time argument is this-

Nothing is complete and thus nothing is exempt from criticism.

Without debate, without criticism, no administration and no country can succeed -- and no republic can survive. -John F. Kennedy:

Well, what do you expect Tony G to do? Throw his quarterback under the bus like T.O. did McNabb? What do you expect the coaches to say in public, too? Like they are just going to come out and say that it's a risky proposition at best. I, on the other hand, can say whatever I want. That's the difference here. Brian Waters compared Brodie to Joe Montana. Did you believe him, too?

The fact that they refuse to add another suitable long-term QB candidate shows just how much they believe in Brodie, and how arrogant they are when it comes to their own ability to evaluate talent. You make your bed you lie in it, I guess.

geez, I guess nobody found my comment on Whitless joining Landry on broke dick mountain very funny, lol

Last time I checked, Herm expressed reservations that Brodie was durable enough to be an NFL QB but that for better or worse "we're going to find out about him this season." Hardly a ringing endorsement. That said, Herm indeed made the call to go with the guy and all indications are that the rest of the team is 100% behind that decision.

If it's a choice between putting my faith in your hunch versus what somebody like Tony Gonzolez has to say on the subject, I think you can pretty much guess where I'm gonna fall. Just the homer in me I guess. :)

Blue, there is a big difference between rooting against Croyle and giving an honest prediction. What I believe does not always go hand in hand with what I want.

Not only do I agree that Dick Curl is terrible, but the whole point is that I don't agree that "he has the ability to be the guy" at all. I don't think he does. I certainly haven't seen anything to convince me otherwise.

Writer, one FG away...wow. He's a regular Bill Walsh. My bad :)

I think Jason wants Carl to get fired because he doesn't believe that we'll win a Super Bowl until we remove Carl from his position of power. Not saying I totally agree, but I definitely see where he is coming from.

And any time anyone compares Brodie to a Manning, I keep reading, but it's hard for me to take seriously. C'mon, now.

I also love how any time I criticize Herm and Co. people attack me and my credentials. Can sportswriters not question the teams they cover any more? Can anyone question the almighty Herm besides Vince Lombardi and the football Gods looking down from above? Do I really have to be a "yes man?"

Who has overestimated Croyle? Anywhere? What we have is a big, fat INCOMPLETE. We don't know yet. We can't know yet. He's started 6 games, ZERO with a running threat in the backfield other teams had to worry about(LJ). How can anyone intelligently make a completed evaluation of Brodie Croyle as an NFL QB positively or negatively? He needs more time, more games, and some patience. He may not be the guy, he may be. At this point, no one can possibly know. We do know he has the ability to be the guy, but there are plenty of guys with ability that don't make it for one reason or another. If Croyle fails, one of the reasons, IMO, will be that he has received pitiful QB coaching. They are trying to turn him into something he's not, a game manager, and discouraging him from where his abilty lies, a gunslinger. Hopefully Brodie overcomes that and becomes what we hope he can become. What I don't understand is why anyone who calls themselves a Chief fan would possibly root against Croyle, which I see far too often(names witheld to protect the guilty, LOL). If he doesn't make it, we are set back in our program and have to start all over. If he does, we're set for years.

As to the issue whether Brodie is a franchise quarterback or not.... Plain and simple we do not know. That is a big difference from your position that you do know. What level of expertise do you have over and above the Herm Group to justify such a hypothesis? The stats on quarterbacks do not say with any deegree of certainty whether a quarterback is a bust or not until usually about the third year or about 20 starts. There are some notable exceptions. But statistically most of the time you have to wait it out. On Petros show yesterday he went thru all the quarterbacks and thier records in the first couple of years and it was an eye opener. If you had gotten rid of some of these guys, you would have removed some of the best quarterbacks who ever played the game. Most had horrible first years and then some.

Then He also went thru all the first round quarterbacks that have been busts...again another eyeopening stat. It would appear that guessing which quarterback was going to be a bust or success is basically like throwing a dart blind-folded. For your information the Giants fans in New York booed Manning so much that it was intolerabe at home for him. The blogs on the Giants were so bad that you would think that Manning was the worst bust of all time. Why do you think the Giants lost all their games at home? No fan support. They could not tolerate being booed at home....so the end result of your position is to weaken the chiefs. Attitude does make a difference....

Yes I agree that Jason is a fan but he is a limited fan because he wants to chiefs to fail because he hates peterson. I do not like Peterson but do not want them to lose just to justify my position. To me you lose a status of being a chiefs fan when you care more about wantint the chiefs to lose so you can get rid of Peterson then the chiefs winning.

As to your point about Herms record...he was one field goal away from being in the championship game.

CSMQ, the players owe it to the city and its fans to want to win. Amen! But...this wasn't written for the players--it was written as a reality check for fans. We can have a different, more long-term focused POV than the players, and should.

Just because someone doesn't believe in Brodie or the coaching staff, and thinks it will take a quarterback selected in early in the first to lift us out of the doldrums, that doesn't mean that they aren't a fan. I personally think we're going to have to hit rock bottom again this year before we come up.

In my opinion, the best fans and supporters stick by their team, but the ALSO challenge said team and demand excellence from it.

And I am giving Brodie the whole year as his shot, after having a lot of last year. I am being fair and giving him a chance. That doesn't mean that I have to predict that he is going to make the best of it. I would love for him to, I just don't think there's much of a chance at all.

Well, all I can say is you play for today, this is LIFE for the players out there playing it, they're worried about what happens this year, not next yr or the yr after,they get paid to play, their contracts are based on performance, THIS YEAR. We cant use the excuse, "hey we wanted a better QB so we decided to suck this year" And Whitlock proved that he is whitless, How he claims he's a Chiefs fan and writes something like that is beyond me, As far as I am concerned he just earned himself a pair of chaps, a big dusty cowboy hat and some fake leather cowboy boots, with big plastic spurs, fake ass wannabee. He can join Landry in the land of homos on horses. And for you to say you agree with any of that, I am starting to get a whole new attitude. This just pissed me off. I support Croyle, he needed a chance with a decent line, didnt say anything about him being the QB of the future, just said he needed a fair shot.

The Namath thing is a sarcastic parody of how everyone has completely and utterly overestimated Cruddy Boil, FYI.

Chancer! Nice call, Sudden.

And only in Madden could Kyle Boller lead the Chiefs to five Super Bowls. Even that seems like a stretch.

Political references are fine and--like pop culture and everything else that interests me--will be part of the equation. The political preference you referred to, was one statement. Since you were offended, I removed it. The only other times I've delved into politics, I don't think preferences have been involved at all. I'll watch it though. I constantly push this site to be the coolest, edgiest, most humorous Chiefs site, so sometimes we walk a fine line. Sorry if you were offended.

Jason Whitlock is no doubt self-absorbed, but he does often tell the unpopular truth and he is a Chiefs fan.

As for the Brodie Believer, yes, that is anyone who shares Herm and Co.'s faith that Brodie will become a franchise QB.

No one is calling Chan "The Answer" yet.

I prefer Chancer. Could be the answer, could be a cancer, but he's gonna take some chances, unlike Solari the Predictable, and that's what we need.

As for the Kyle Boller thing, I traded Trent Green in my copy of Madden 2005 and brought Kyle Boller in to lead our esteemed franchise back to glory. Kyle Boller won like five super bowls in as many years with the Chiefs. So bring on the comparisons.

Wait, I think I finally understand. Anybody who doesn't share your prejudice, and that is right word, about Brodie Croyle not being a franchise QB is a "Brodie Believer." It's all making sense now!

First off, Jason Whitlock is neither truth-teller nor Chiefs fan. He's a self-absorbed bomb thrower. End of story.

Secondly, would it be too much to ask that this site not be sullied with political references, much less preferences?

Thirdly, exactly who are these "Brodie Believers" that have supposedly annointed him as the second coming of Joe Namath? I've been reading and contributing here for months and I have to find anyone who matches that description.

Thirdly,