Helicopter Wreck To Cause Domino Effect?
Yet even more bad news. William Franklin tweaked his knee. You probably already know that, though. What you may or may not know is that there will be a corresponding domino effect should Franklin miss a substantial amount of time. Count on that.
So far this preseason, Franklin has been our second best receiver (Dwayne Bowe, aka Mr. Awesome is what HE calls himself now, is our best, regardless of his preseason stats). On the Chiefs’ depth chart, he is currently third. With Franklin out and Devard Darling having accomplished absolutely zilch during a game yet–not that he has had an opportunity to, by the way–it looks like the competition for that fourth and possibly final WR spot is about to heat up. It also could mean that we keep more receivers than we originally intended to.
DVD, Franklin and, of course, The Show have already made the team. That means Bobby Sippio, Jeff Webb, Kevin McMahan and Maurice Price will be competing to make the roster, and possibly to see significant game action. That all depends on how serious Franklin’s injury is. Basically, the Miami game is going to be the biggest game of all the above-mentioned fringe receivers’ lives. It’s step-up-or-get-cut time. Kevin Robinson, aka K-Throb, also has a shot to make the team. That is if he ever is healthy enough to play. I’m pulling for Mo and Sipp, but that’s just me.
If Franklin misses significant time, who do you want to step up in his absence?
Saw this too and uh excuse my French but Gawdimmit!!!
Seriously wtfiu with all these injuries? Is Herm sending these guys out to practice with baseball bats or something?
Had the exact same thought about how this may help sort out the competition for the #4 & possible #5 WRs . . . or not.
August 21st, 2008 at 4:54 pmI like Price in the slot the best. So far this year he’s made the most difficult catches amongst the WR. Sippio it pains me to say also could be useful in some situations there (3rd and 5 or less, red zone, etc.) And maybe, just maybe Kevin “McMaine” McMahon. I am not nearly as concerned about the slot as I am about our starter opposite DBowe. Darling has shown nothing. They need to start Webb and accept his 50 catches and 600 yards he will put up. Or they could start Price and use his deep speed.
August 21st, 2008 at 4:58 pmFirst of all, your nicknames are getting out of hand…Mr. Awesome..? oh my…
Also, I am just excited to see real football at New England and want all this preseason nonsense over-with….
August 21st, 2008 at 5:05 pm“Tweaked” doesn’t sound too bad. Still, all these injuries to our rooks are really worrying me.
August 21st, 2008 at 5:25 pmI don’t think this changes anything at all unless they put Franklin on the PUP and it doesnt sound that serious.
Robinson will likely start the season out on the PUP and Savage will end up doing returns which means we carry 4 RBs instead of 5 WRs. That leaves Bowe, Darling, Franklin and a battle between Webb and Price for the last WR spot.
Possible Practice Squad candidates would be: McMahan and Jabari Arthur (gotta give those 6′4″ WRs every chance).
August 21st, 2008 at 5:54 pmWoody, if you would have clicked on the link you would have figured out that is D-Bowe’s new nickname for himself. Made me add an addendum.
Maine, if Webb hauls in 50 catches for 600 yards I will by a jersey and do Webb Week on A.A. Eric Hicks coming back and winning the sack title is more likely.
SBC, you’re right, but tweaked can go either way. It can be a slight or even severe sprain, or it could be a slight tear. As long as there was no pop, it’s not an ACL. I’ve had both knees operated on, unfortunately, so I know more than any normal person should ever know about knee injuries. We could be looking at two weeks or two months, basically. Hard to say. Let’s pray that it’s not anything worse than that complete guesstimation.
Brandon Flowers and DaJaun Morgan and are shitting bricks right now. I Think Al davis has voodoo dolls for our draft class. The old man is so desperate he’s resorted to voodoo magic. Watch out, fellas.
August 21st, 2008 at 5:56 pmDJ, I wasn’t aware that Sippio had already been cut
August 21st, 2008 at 5:57 pmAdam, if Webb started opposite D-Bowe 50 for 600 would be easily attainable numbers for him. But I don’t see that happening.
And I actually think you might be right about Davis. He creeps me out anyway.
August 21st, 2008 at 6:03 pmare we doing a game chat sat nite? if so i want in on it. my daughter had a sugery and we had to come to kc to get it done. so i’m stuck at childrens mercy all weekend watching the game on a 19 inch tv. at least i still get to watch
August 21st, 2008 at 6:06 pmYes, we will have a chat
And Webb could start opposite Randy Moss in New England with Brady slingin’ it to him and still not do 50/600.
August 21st, 2008 at 6:08 pmgreat im in. agreed on webb, we REALLY need tha copta to be ok
August 21st, 2008 at 6:23 pmAdam
Just a matter of time.
August 21st, 2008 at 7:04 pmDJ,
Possibly, but I’m certainly rooting for him. It seems that some are not, though. To each their own. Personally, I hope Jeff Webb gets cut, but we all have our own preferences.
August 21st, 2008 at 7:55 pmAdam
See thats what I don’t get. You’re fully vested in supporting Sippio who barely has talent enough to be invited to training camp, but dump all over Webb who has played decently if unspectacularly and improved with each year.
I have no special attachment to Webb and if theres a better receiver on the squad, then he should be replaced. But whats with the grudge against Webb?
He has not dropped an unusual number of balls. He has not made huge mistakes save that one pass he failed to drag his feet on when he was a rookie people keep bringing up. What’s the deal?
August 22nd, 2008 at 6:49 amDJ
I want the best recievers to make the team. He’s just not a playmaker. I also have no special attachment to Webb… Granted it’s the preseason, and Mo and Sipp are getting time against second tier cornerbacks, but so is Webb. Mo and Sipp are making things happen. Webb just isn’t getting himself noticed – and, like you said – he’s been around (had his chances to get noticed and do somethin’.) That being said – I’m not a fan of DVD at all (seems like another Nap Harris or FA Bust) – I hope i’m wrong.
August 22nd, 2008 at 9:07 amI’m just hoping that the reason DVD hasn’t shown us much so far is because Chan is deliberately choosing to not reveal too much about how he intends to use him.
August 22nd, 2008 at 9:27 amArkansasDave
Nobody notices Sippio either except the Sippio Fanatics. And is Webb not getting noticed by the coaches or not getting noticed by Sippio fans that see him as a threat to their Chosen One making the team? He was a 6th round pick that has improved each year. I don’t think you can ask much more.
If theres a better guy thats fine, but certain people have had a grudge out for him from the beginning. I know the reason why for most people, is because he is perceived to be a Herm Edwards guy because he went to the same school Edwards did. What this has to do with anything I don’t know (especially considering everyone else we’ve drafted are Herm guys too).
I was just curious if this was the reason Adam had it out for him or if it was because he thought Webb was a threat to Sippio making the team. If you’re undercutting a good player so that a guy no NFL scout thinks is any good just because you’re driving that players bandwagon, that’s a pretty horrible way to support your team.
August 22nd, 2008 at 12:43 pmBased on what I’ve seen and read, here is who is I think will be our 4 WRs will be:
1. Bowe – obviously
2. DVD – can’t say I know why, just what I read
3. Franklin – blocking WR that catches everything, good YAC.
4. Price – He has the top end speed we need, shows good hands and toughness in coverage. Those things should be enough.
Unless he goes to PUP or IR, I also have a feeling that K-Rob will end up on the roster because he’s shown enough for the coaches to believe he has good game speed, can contribute immediately as a RS/lead blocker, and has a lot of upside as a WR. Just me though.
August 22nd, 2008 at 1:02 pmD.J.,
You have absolutely no clue what you are talking about.
The reason I’m so hard on Jeff Webb is the same reason why I’m so hard on You Know Who (hint: he’s from Alabama). I don’t like players being handed jobs on a silver platter when they haven’t earned them. Personally, I thought both Parker and Webb were awful last season, and kept D-Bowe from having well over 1,000 yards with their lackluster play. Webb is the teacher’s pet and it’s painfully obvious, while Sipp is the exact opposite. If you don’t think he’s a Herm favorite, than you’re a Herm/Webb apologist.
What is your problem with Sippio, by the way? Did he sleep with your sister or something?
We’ve already
investedtoo much time in Webb, and I don’t want to see us repeat the same mistake we made with Kris Wilson and Samie and not know when to quit on a guy who doesn’t have it. He had more than enough chances last season, yet didn’t distinguish himself at all.And if no NFL Scout thinks he’s any good, why has he been a Chief for most of over a year now? Obviously our scouts like him. Straight Haterade.
August 22nd, 2008 at 1:03 pmPersonally, I’ve never thought K-Throb had any upside as a receiver. I thought he was going to be regulated strictly to return duties at best. I could be wrong, though?
August 22nd, 2008 at 1:06 pmYou know, here’s what it is…
It just pisses me off when Chiefs fans defend players like Jeff Webb and You Know Who like they were Bobby Bell, D.T., Lenny or Tony G. Those guys haven’t done shit so far for the Chiefs. We, the long-time die-hard fans, have done more for the organization than they have up to this point. You’ve got to earn your arrowhead, and neither guy has despite it being handed to them like it was a rite of passage.
Listen, folks, being a fan doesn’t mean defending every player that wears the Red and Gold no matter what. You know what, I’ve been a loyal Chiefs fan for 30 years, I’ve been with the team longer than any current player. Many fans here have been fans for longer, some much longer, than I have. We’ve earned our arrowhead, and the right that comes with it to criticize players who aren’t succeeding. These guys are millionaires, and there is a likelihood that Jeff Webb will end up with another team before too long and not give a damn about the Chiefs. No need to baby them…
I saw people baby Parker for years, only to see him screw up for us and eventually don the Orange and Navy.
August 22nd, 2008 at 1:12 pmI think they (the coaches) believe K-Rob’s size and speed can create favorable matchups in certain passing situations. Essentially you’re right though, his primary role/value is as KR/PR – he won’t be taking D-Bo’s job anytime soon.
August 22nd, 2008 at 1:29 pmI like your line-up Double D… that’s what i’d like to see from what i’ve seen in preseason and what i’ve read about training camp.
August 22nd, 2008 at 1:30 pmAdam
I got nothing whatsoever against Sippio. I just think its hillarious people make a celebrity out of a guy with limited talents.
And you said “Webb is the teacher’s pet and it’s painfully obvious, while Sipp is the exact opposite.”
So I guess I DO know what I’m talking about when I said that people have had a grudge against Webb because they perceive favoritism by Herm at the expense of Sippio. That’s EXACTLY what I said in the above post and you just confirmed it. Thank you.
The opposite of being the teachers pet would mean the “teacher” had it out for you right? So why is Sippio even on the team? If Herm just had something against the guy, why doesn’t he just cut him?
What has Webb ever been given on a “silver platter”? He was the freaking 4th string WR last year. Boy, sure sounds like some favoritism there. And just how the hell did Webb getting open and having passes thrown to him hurt Bowe??? I guess we better hope Franklin doesn’t do well and passes get thrown to him! You’re going looney here.
Why don’t you just face that you have made a guy with marginal talent a celebrity and resent the fringe players that are ahead of him on the depth chart because you think they are keeping him off the team? Oh yeah, I forgot. You did.
August 22nd, 2008 at 2:38 pmAdam
Regarding “earning your Arrowhead”.
This is why I harp on you so much. The hypocrisy.
You defend Sippio to the death. You will go to the matt saying Matt Ryan should have been drafted if we had the opprotunity. What have EITHER of those guys done to earn the arrowhead? NOTHING. There are simply players that you have decided you don’t like and others you do and you want your favorites to win out over the ones that you don’t like.
Thats cool. It really is. Everyone does that.
But don’t give us this “earn you Arrowhead” B.S. and not be willing to give those guys the opportunity to do that because you want other guys who haven’t done anything to earn it either.
So cut the righteous indignation baloney. This is all difference of opinion. No one has a crystal ball to see the future. We’re all just having fun here.
August 22nd, 2008 at 2:47 pmDJ is totally right. Being the 4th string receiver is not having anything handed to you. Brodie hasn’t had it handed to him either, and don’t give me any crap about him starting last season because he didn’t even start half the games and Huard was the starter for the opener.
AND, BY THE WAY: There’s no point in all this “you know who” and “vow of silence” nonsense if you just keep bringing it up. You’re just trying to be a smartass and it’s stupid.
But DJ, I’ve said all the same stuff to Adam you are saying, and it doesn’t help. He won’t listen. So there’s really no point. The best tactic is to just ignore him when he starts in on this stuff.
August 22nd, 2008 at 4:00 pmD.J., the difference, which you and SBC ALWAYS fail to get is that Matt Ryan never had a shot with the Chiefs, and Sipp hasn’t had a fair one (as far as I’m concerned, and I’m not the alone one by any means). Meanwhile, Jeff Webb and You Know Who have been babied and handed everything. There is a huge difference there, IMO. Your two were handed their arrowheads and still couldn’t take them, my two never received a fair shot at earning them. Jeff Webb and You Know Who have been awful in their opportunities so far. It’s hard to argue that.
Ignore me? SBC, lmao…I’m the one people ignore. OK…
As far as the vow of silence, I was sick of everybody getting their effin’ panties in a bunch because I was honest about You Know Who. I just got sick of it. So, yes, I am being a smart ass, but I am also just trying to avoid the topic. People were defending _____________ like he was Joe Montana, Tom Brady and Jesus all rolled into one.
Righteous indignation? Hypocrisy? I’m just being honest, bub. I call it like I see it. If nobody else sees it that way, so be it. As I’ve told you before, I’m not a follower. And I always have a blast here. Even when something gets under my skin, I still enjoy myself. I’m just a passionate dude.
You guys obviously don’t get the “earn your arrowhead” concept at all, and never will. To each their own. I think you two should partner up and start croyletowebb.com or something (couldn’t resist breaking the vow there). You can both bag on me and talk about how it’s going to be the greatest QB-WR duo since Montana and Rice until you’re blue in the face.
August 22nd, 2008 at 4:45 pmCan’t we all just get along and go bash MarryMan in the other thread… it’s a lot more fun and provides a great outlet for creative joking.
August 22nd, 2008 at 5:03 pmThat is exactly what happened last year. I don’t want it to happen again. Herm obviously favors Webb. I’m not saying he necessarily has it out for Sipp, but he does give Webb preferential treatment.
Get open and catch passes. First off, he was the third receiver. Kennison was out basically the whole year almost. Second, he only caught 28 passes, dropped at least 3-4, and had a huge gaffe at a crucial moment. I never saw him step up during crunch time, and his lone TD came during garbage time. I know Sippio could have at least managed all that given the same number of reps and targets.
You act like he was Wes Welker to Bowe’s Randy Moss or something. Webb was garbage last year. A better compliment would have helped Bowe big time. C’mon, dude.
The bottom line is that like Parker, Webb has had his chance. It’s now time for Maurice Price, Sipp, McMahan, Franklin, Darling to get theirs. My problem with Webb is much more about how I think he wouldn’t even be on the team if it weren’t for Herm, and much less about Sipp. But go ahead and think what you will.
August 22nd, 2008 at 5:24 pmWe all do get along. We’re just a tad bit dysfunctional at times. I like the debate, though. Don’t want no “yes men” running around here! Let me have it! I got a cyber chin
August 22nd, 2008 at 5:29 pmYou call throwing a second year guy behind the worst offensive line in the NFL, with a 4th string RB and no special teams support “a chance”?
Wow, glad you weren’t the coach for either of the Mannings, Troy Aikman or John Elway. The Hall of Fame would be half empty if everyone was as critical of young QBs thrown into impossible situations as you.
Same goes for WRs that took longer than a year to develop. No one is suggesting Webb is going to ever be a #1 receiver. Hell, Herm and the coaches have never mentioned him as a candidate for the #2 WR. Before the draft they talked about Webb being a slot receiver (#3) but since they drafted Franklin, they’ve played him in the slot almost exclusively. Sure sounds like lots of favoritism going on there.
But this is the point. You’re more willing to give guys who have never even played in the NFL a shot rather than let the guys we have get a chance to develop. So if Matt Ryan came in and lost 6 games in a row and had stats similar to Croyles playing under the circumstances he did, you would give up on him too? Hell, I thought Matt Ryan was the most overhyped QB in recent memory and I wouldn’t have bailed on him like that.
You don’t see how screwed up that thinking is? But I know you don’t really feel that way. Only about certain players that you have chosen to dislike.
You have shown faith in Turk McBride, though he showed us absolutely nothing last year. So far it looks like that faith was well placed. So why did you choose to believe in Turk, but not Croyle or Webb or whoever else? The answer is simple. For some reason, you decided not to like them so no matter what they do, it wont be good enough and they will always be standing in the way of whoever your favorite underdog is.
You hold a double standard between the guys you like and the ones you don’t. Sorry bub, the way you think is the very definition of hypocrisy.
August 22nd, 2008 at 5:31 pmTurk McBride showed more promise to me in limited snaps last year (mainly in the preseason) than either You Know Who or Webb did despite getting way more snaps. Just my opinion. I haven’t seen anything from either guy yet that makes me believe in them. I do, however, think that You Know Who deserves more time, while Webb does not. He might one day become a bonafide slot receiver, but I doubt even that. I’ve already been more impressed with Will Franklin and Mo Price than I ever have been with Webb.
As for Ryan and Simms (lol, the QBs, not Ryan Sims) and Beck and blah, blah, blah…I just wanted us to hedge our bet on You Know Who. Insurance. It worked out so well with the Browns and Chargers and their incumbent non-first-round starters that I thought it was the way we should have done things as well. Who knows? If Thiggy Smalls doesn’t start passing better from the pocket, maybe we’ll still bring somebody in.
So, there is no double standard whatsoever, bub
I just call it like I see it. I don’t base my beliefs around what Herm Edwards or Bob Gretz or Adam Teicher believes, I use my eyes to analyze. Right or wrong, that’s the way I do things. And the first thing I said when I started this blog was that I was going to come out and say what I thought and not ride the fence. Sometimes I’m right, sometimes I’m wrong, but this blog is better off for it. I’m glad the other bloggers and our readers have followed suit, even if it means telling me to shove it. I love it! Chiefs Nation needed another outlet with some cojones besides Jabba the Whitlock.
August 22nd, 2008 at 5:48 pmI dont think it’s reasonable to lump Webb and Croyle in the same basket. They’re clearly different cases and have responded to their opportunities in vastly different ways.
Croyle has put up number similar to Brady and Peyton (after six starts) in terms of passing yards and completion percentage. Also, it looks vastly improved this year in Chan’s offense.
Webb has never been more than marginal at best, and has shown no great improvement this year over his past performances. To me, he’s not even 2nd string material at all.
Also, DJ… Webb was on the same team as Herm’s son and they were roommates in college, and they’re still best friends. Webb has clearly been given status by Herm neither he nor his talent deserve. This is the one blemish on Herm’s time in KC I find unforgiveable. It smacks of paternalism at it’s very worst. If the guy could actually PLAY I could forgive Herm this weakness… but Webb will never be even a dependable contributor at any level. He needs to go, and in spite of how much I like Sippio… I dont care if he gets Webbs spot or not – it’s more of a Webb needs to go thing than a webb OR sippio thing to me.
August 22nd, 2008 at 5:58 pmCMF, I agree with you on both accounts. I even stated that the two situations were different…
BUT I do think comparing You Know Who to Tom Brady or Peyton Manning is a tad bit ridiculous. And he did have the job handed to him last year (not my fault he lost it to a career back-up). That’s all I’m gonna say on that one.
August 22nd, 2008 at 6:50 pmlook guys the reason that some see webb as a teachers pet is because he went to college w/ herms son and that is why we drafted him. also sippio had the arena league record for tds. that shows the guy has SOME SKILLS
August 22nd, 2008 at 6:51 pmsorry cmf didnt see you already were on that one about webb
August 22nd, 2008 at 6:52 pm