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	<title>Comments on: Seven-Up: An Interview With Red Zone&#8217;s Kent Babb</title>
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		<title>By: xxxlp</title>
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		<dc:creator>xxxlp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 01:00:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No one ever said he would be a good QB, or that he was comparable to Drew Brees in any sense but height-wise. To be honest, he&#039;s going to be the next Damon Huard, only, the anti-Damon Huard. Huard is purely a pocket passer, he can&#039;t roll out effectively. Conversely, Thigster is only effective while IN a rollout. It&#039;s still not the fact that he&#039;s &#039;short&#039; that&#039;s holding him back. And it&#039;s only his athleticism that has saved him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No one ever said he would be a good QB, or that he was comparable to Drew Brees in any sense but height-wise. To be honest, he&#8217;s going to be the next Damon Huard, only, the anti-Damon Huard. Huard is purely a pocket passer, he can&#8217;t roll out effectively. Conversely, Thigster is only effective while IN a rollout. It&#8217;s still not the fact that he&#8217;s &#8217;short&#8217; that&#8217;s holding him back. And it&#8217;s only his athleticism that has saved him.</p>
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		<title>By: Double D</title>
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		<dc:creator>Double D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 21:22:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Make that &quot;to develop&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Make that &#8220;to develop&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Double D</title>
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		<dc:creator>Double D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 21:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I actually agree with SBC on this one.  Height can help but it isn&#039;t the end all.  Thiglet is a pretty good athlete but is essentially still just a rookie so it&#039;s way too early to determine whether or not he has the head and skill package to development into a solid backup/starter.  

In any event, this all seems kind of academic to me right now; my assumption remains that we&#039;ll pick up some guy that shakes loose elsewhere before the season starts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I actually agree with SBC on this one.  Height can help but it isn&#8217;t the end all.  Thiglet is a pretty good athlete but is essentially still just a rookie so it&#8217;s way too early to determine whether or not he has the head and skill package to development into a solid backup/starter.  </p>
<p>In any event, this all seems kind of academic to me right now; my assumption remains that we&#8217;ll pick up some guy that shakes loose elsewhere before the season starts.</p>
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		<title>By: SEANBCOOL</title>
		<link>http://arrowheadaddict.com/2008/08/18/seven-up-an-interview-with-red-zones-kent-babb/comment-page-1/#comment-16552</link>
		<dc:creator>SEANBCOOL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 20:53:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh my god.  I never said Thigpen would be good.  I don&#039;t think he&#039;s good, and I don&#039;t think he&#039;ll ever be a good NFL QB.  He&#039;s just too underdeveloped at this point in his career to start now.

BUT THE ISSUE IS NOT HEIGHT.  It&#039;s NOT.  Adam, no you can&#039;t see the floor the same as Steve Nash, but it&#039;s not your height that is holding you back, it&#039;s the fact that you aren&#039;t an NBA player and Steve Nash is a straight up baller.

Thigpen&#039;s issue is not his height, it&#039;s the fact that he played running back until college.  If he was 5&#039;10, then yeah, his height would probably be giving him some problems, but he&#039;s not.  He&#039;s 6&#039;0.  The same height as other prolific pocket passers.  So, process of elimination here guys.  We can check height off the list.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh my god.  I never said Thigpen would be good.  I don&#8217;t think he&#8217;s good, and I don&#8217;t think he&#8217;ll ever be a good NFL QB.  He&#8217;s just too underdeveloped at this point in his career to start now.</p>
<p>BUT THE ISSUE IS NOT HEIGHT.  It&#8217;s NOT.  Adam, no you can&#8217;t see the floor the same as Steve Nash, but it&#8217;s not your height that is holding you back, it&#8217;s the fact that you aren&#8217;t an NBA player and Steve Nash is a straight up baller.</p>
<p>Thigpen&#8217;s issue is not his height, it&#8217;s the fact that he played running back until college.  If he was 5&#8242;10, then yeah, his height would probably be giving him some problems, but he&#8217;s not.  He&#8217;s 6&#8242;0.  The same height as other prolific pocket passers.  So, process of elimination here guys.  We can check height off the list.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 19:54:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And I&#039;m with CMF...

When Thiggy Smalls shows me how can hang in the pocket, see the lanes, make progressions, and become a good pocket passer, I&#039;ll eat hat, crow, the cat poop salad from &lt;i&gt;Anchorman&lt;/i&gt;, whatever. But for now I&#039;m sticking to my story, and that story is that he&#039;s too short.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And I&#8217;m with CMF&#8230;</p>
<p>When Thiggy Smalls shows me how can hang in the pocket, see the lanes, make progressions, and become a good pocket passer, I&#8217;ll eat hat, crow, the cat poop salad from <i>Anchorman</i>, whatever. But for now I&#8217;m sticking to my story, and that story is that he&#8217;s too short.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 19:53:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This argument is retarded. I&#039;m 6&#039;3&quot;, 180 lbs. Does that mean I should be able to see the floor as well as Steve Nash since we are exactly the same size?

Some people just have unique abilities. Drew Brees, like Steve Nash, is one of those people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This argument is retarded. I&#8217;m 6&#8242;3&#8243;, 180 lbs. Does that mean I should be able to see the floor as well as Steve Nash since we are exactly the same size?</p>
<p>Some people just have unique abilities. Drew Brees, like Steve Nash, is one of those people.</p>
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		<title>By: CurtMerzFan</title>
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		<dc:creator>CurtMerzFan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 19:29:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It has everything to do with height. The kid is ONLY making plays on the run - and those against 2nd and 3rd team guys or FA&#039;s that will be looking for a day job in a couple of weeks. He will not have the same success on the run when he sees starting dlines and backers - and once those starting D&#039;s figure out he can&#039;t see the passing lanes and will panick and pull the ball down at the first sign of trouble - he&#039;s toast. They will design schemes to pressure and flush him where DE&#039;s and OLB&#039;s butter his ass up and eat him for lunch.

I agree the kid is athletic and I&#039;ve already said I can see why the team is captivated by his atlethicism, but my argument is he&#039;s not getting it done. The bootleg is only a tiny fraction of our offense, and he has yet to make a play from the pocket - that&#039;s where 99% of the offense happens. 

I think it&#039;s all a big smoke screen. I really believe Brodie will only run 2 or 3 bootlegs a game to keep them honest. 

Just because he&#039;s got good legs and can make a few throws on the run doesn&#039;t mean he&#039;s ever going to develop into a real NFL QB. If he cannot learn to make plays from the pocket he&#039;s dead as an NFL QB.

Your math is good, but your logic is flawed. Just because they&#039;re both the same height doesn&#039;t mean Pigster will ever see passing lanes or read defenses as well as Brees. And Brees spent a lifetime learning to play in spite of being that height. Pigster is 25 years behind. 

Like Adam said: it&#039;s apples and oranges. Believe me, the very instant Pigster starts to play like Drew Brees I will eat my hat - but don&#039;t be expecting it anytime soon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It has everything to do with height. The kid is ONLY making plays on the run &#8211; and those against 2nd and 3rd team guys or FA&#8217;s that will be looking for a day job in a couple of weeks. He will not have the same success on the run when he sees starting dlines and backers &#8211; and once those starting D&#8217;s figure out he can&#8217;t see the passing lanes and will panick and pull the ball down at the first sign of trouble &#8211; he&#8217;s toast. They will design schemes to pressure and flush him where DE&#8217;s and OLB&#8217;s butter his ass up and eat him for lunch.</p>
<p>I agree the kid is athletic and I&#8217;ve already said I can see why the team is captivated by his atlethicism, but my argument is he&#8217;s not getting it done. The bootleg is only a tiny fraction of our offense, and he has yet to make a play from the pocket &#8211; that&#8217;s where 99% of the offense happens. </p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s all a big smoke screen. I really believe Brodie will only run 2 or 3 bootlegs a game to keep them honest. </p>
<p>Just because he&#8217;s got good legs and can make a few throws on the run doesn&#8217;t mean he&#8217;s ever going to develop into a real NFL QB. If he cannot learn to make plays from the pocket he&#8217;s dead as an NFL QB.</p>
<p>Your math is good, but your logic is flawed. Just because they&#8217;re both the same height doesn&#8217;t mean Pigster will ever see passing lanes or read defenses as well as Brees. And Brees spent a lifetime learning to play in spite of being that height. Pigster is 25 years behind. </p>
<p>Like Adam said: it&#8217;s apples and oranges. Believe me, the very instant Pigster starts to play like Drew Brees I will eat my hat &#8211; but don&#8217;t be expecting it anytime soon.</p>
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		<title>By: SEANBCOOL</title>
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		<dc:creator>SEANBCOOL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 19:15:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brees may be a better pocket passer than Thigpen because he&#039;s more used to it and more experienced/seasoned or anyting like that.  But, being that they are the same height, then the height is CLEARLY not the issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brees may be a better pocket passer than Thigpen because he&#8217;s more used to it and more experienced/seasoned or anyting like that.  But, being that they are the same height, then the height is CLEARLY not the issue.</p>
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		<title>By: xxxlp</title>
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		<dc:creator>xxxlp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 18:24:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CMF, you said &quot;Pigster is NOT getting it done from the pocket and he’s never been in a pocket system so he’s struggling - hell, I’m not even sure he knows WHERE the passing lanes are on each play.&quot;

You&#039;re backing up my arguement. He&#039;s not been moulded in the form of the prototypical pocket passer. And he&#039;s more athletic than Brees, he feels comfortable throwing on the run, where Brees is just &#039;average&#039; when forced to scramble. It doesn&#039;t have to do with his height, just what he&#039;s comfortable with, and what his body type can handle. It also has to do with protection. Brees has had much more offensive help (so he&#039;s not forced into bad throws and/or scared for his life in the pocket.) Again, in this comparison, height is irrelevant, as both are the same height. And I said height is irrelevant to a CERTAIN EXTENT, as in, a &#039;little person&#039; could never play QB, because that&#039;s just not practical. Plus, they couldn&#039;t grip the ball effectively. Ahem, anyway, yeah, he&#039;s not tall enough, but Brees is tall enough, yet they&#039;re the same height. To quote merlinn from last week- that&#039;s illogical.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CMF, you said &#8220;Pigster is NOT getting it done from the pocket and he’s never been in a pocket system so he’s struggling &#8211; hell, I’m not even sure he knows WHERE the passing lanes are on each play.&#8221;</p>
<p>You&#8217;re backing up my arguement. He&#8217;s not been moulded in the form of the prototypical pocket passer. And he&#8217;s more athletic than Brees, he feels comfortable throwing on the run, where Brees is just &#8216;average&#8217; when forced to scramble. It doesn&#8217;t have to do with his height, just what he&#8217;s comfortable with, and what his body type can handle. It also has to do with protection. Brees has had much more offensive help (so he&#8217;s not forced into bad throws and/or scared for his life in the pocket.) Again, in this comparison, height is irrelevant, as both are the same height. And I said height is irrelevant to a CERTAIN EXTENT, as in, a &#8216;little person&#8217; could never play QB, because that&#8217;s just not practical. Plus, they couldn&#8217;t grip the ball effectively. Ahem, anyway, yeah, he&#8217;s not tall enough, but Brees is tall enough, yet they&#8217;re the same height. To quote merlinn from last week- that&#8217;s illogical.</p>
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		<title>By: CurtMerzFan</title>
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		<dc:creator>CurtMerzFan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 17:27:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It makes perfect sense. Brees was a great pocket passer from the moment he entered the NFL, and he&#039;d been learning how to see the passing lanes from his height since prep school.

Pigster is NOT getting it done from the pocket and he&#039;s never been in a pocket system so he&#039;s struggling - hell, I&#039;m not even sure he knows WHERE the passing lanes are on each play.

And as I stated earlier &quot;I&#039;m from Missouri - so when Pigster SHOWS me&quot; he can run the other 98% of our offensive scheme without pulling the ball down and running - then I&#039;ll be the first one to cheer. But he&#039;s no Drew Brees and will never see the passing lanes as well. He&#039;s just not tall enough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It makes perfect sense. Brees was a great pocket passer from the moment he entered the NFL, and he&#8217;d been learning how to see the passing lanes from his height since prep school.</p>
<p>Pigster is NOT getting it done from the pocket and he&#8217;s never been in a pocket system so he&#8217;s struggling &#8211; hell, I&#8217;m not even sure he knows WHERE the passing lanes are on each play.</p>
<p>And as I stated earlier &#8220;I&#8217;m from Missouri &#8211; so when Pigster SHOWS me&#8221; he can run the other 98% of our offensive scheme without pulling the ball down and running &#8211; then I&#8217;ll be the first one to cheer. But he&#8217;s no Drew Brees and will never see the passing lanes as well. He&#8217;s just not tall enough.</p>
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