Hell No…Sippio! The War Over Bobby Rages On
Seriously, now I’m really annoyed. After reading this Red Zone post, I wanted to knock the Turtle Wax off of Adam Teicher’s shiny bald dome (OK, not literally, but I was frustrated to say the least). What is that guy’s problem? He treated Bobby Sippio like a red-headed stepchild, and Chiefs fans even worse. Maybe the guy really did nail his sister? Just read this crap…
One of the many negative aspects of last summer’s visit to Chiefs camp of NFL Films and the Hard Knocks crew was that the show glorified a wide receiver of rather average talents by the name of Bobby Sippio.
What? Average? I have seen more out of the guy in preseason action than I have ever out of Jeff Webb (I’ve always found it ironic that a guy who can’t catch well is named Webb). I also totally think he’s shown enough to land somewhere else if we blow it. The Chiefs aren’t the alpha and omega, aren’t the end all, when it comes to personnel decisions. We do screw up, and actually we screw up quite a bit.
Sippio isn’t fast. It’s why he was playing in the Arena League when he joined the Chiefs. It’s why he doesn’t get more playing opportunities.
This Sippio thing is really aggravating. Especially when Zach and I (and the Best Bros played TE and have great hands, but we have gotten slow with age…especially me and my balky knees) could have outplayed Parker and Webb. It’s almost like he’s being discriminated against because he played in the Arena League. Is he slow? Maybe his 40 time is, but he doesn’t look slow with pads on. Say what you will about Sippio, but we were wasting time on excrement like Samie Parker and Webb last season. Especially Parker. I don’t hold it against any one for clamoring for Sipp or anybody else considering how those two played.
And that’s something the billions of Bobby Sippio fans out there will just have to deal with.
Whatever, Teich. Chiefs fans know their football. We’ve seen him play, seen his AFL footage. We’re not dumbshits. Are the Chiefs? Well, yes, sometimes the Chiefs’ brass do look like a bunch of morons. They have certainly been wrong about players before. I also think Herm Edwards is slanting the competition towards the guys that are a bit younger than him. Especially his son’s buddy Webb. That guy’s lucky to be on the team, if you ask me. And Sippio is still on the team. That says something to me. If he really has no potential, then why do the Chiefs keep him around? They sure let go of much more heralded players like Freddie Mitchell and Rod Gardner quickly. He even admits that none of the staff have been critical of Bobby Digital.
Sippio did his work in the fourth quarter of a preseason game. That’s the domain of guys who will be looking for jobs in another few weeks. It’s a sign, Sippio fans, that your hero is going to have a tough time making the team. And he caught his three passes against players who will soon be ex-Bears.
The whole third-string thing is effing retarded, too. Wake up! He’s got a bum throwing to him, and bums are blocking for that bum, too, not just playing defense. If he gets into the first half, against starters and back-ups, and gets eaten up, yeah, I’ll shut my mouth. But I honestly don’t think he would struggle. I like Kent Babb and Randy Covitz of Red Zone, but it’s on with Teicher when it comes to Sippio. I don’t believe a word that guy says, especially after the whole Demorrio-Donnie-Nap farce.
Bobby! Bobby! Bobby! This type of anti-Bobby propaganda only fuels my fire! Keep sending Teicher hate mail–he deserves it. And I’ll promise everyone something right now. If Bobby does make the team, we’re putting him in the header. Just for our buddy over at the Star.
Herm and all the other coaches seem to have a much more “vested” interest in the other players..In other words its all about ego..They want their “draft picks” and big money players to make it big, not some cheap free agent..Its bull shit..Sippio is good enough to play for this team..
We better play this guy in the first half
August 9th, 2008 at 8:48 pmPut me down with Teicher on this one. Sippio has one big asset – great hands. But he’s too slow to be much more than 5th/6th type receiver in the NFL. Maybe he should bulk up more ala Michael Ricks and play some TE.
And again on Webb: People are really hard on him primarily because he didnt get his foot inbounds on a big play last year. That’s like saying Tony Romo is worthless because he threw a pick to end the Cowboys year. Webb has 2 starts in his career. He barely even played his rookie year, so last year was basically his rookie year. He contributed some nice catches during the season on a piss poor offense with piss poor QB play. To compare him to a guy like Sippio is senseless. Webb has shown he can get open in the NFL against starters, Sippio has not. Webb is faster, he’s virtually the same size, and he’s younger than Sip.
August 9th, 2008 at 9:02 pmTeciher doesn’t get everything right, but hes right on in this instance in my opinion. Sippio has become a cult figure among many fans and no logic can defeat fervent belief.
I dont know why this just cant be settled in a PRE-SEASON game. Put him out there, first string and work him out. See what happens, if he does well then he has something there. If he cannot get open and does not get the ball his way or cannot catch it, then he can help make room on the roster cuts.
August 9th, 2008 at 9:20 pmRihavens, Sippio has to earn that in practice. That’s why you have practice.
August 9th, 2008 at 9:31 pmI liked Boomer but he had to go also. To win you have to treat the roster like cattle Im afraid.
August 9th, 2008 at 9:47 pmmerlinnj: IMHO, he HAS earned that opportunity – last thursday night with a game-winning TD catch and YAK dragging two guys into the end zone with him.
and Maine_Chief, a lot of so-called ‘experts’ said Emmitt Smith was “too small”, “too slow” and “not quick enough” to play in the NFL. I believe that man rewrote the NFL record book.
Webb is no kind of ‘proven NFL receiver’ just because he’s made a couple of catches over the last two years. I guarantee you if Sippio had been given the chances Webb was handed on a silver platter because he’s buds with Herms son… Sippio would have more catches, more yards, more first downs, and more TD’s than Webb. And I would wager he’s a better blocker too. Sippio is a PLAYER. To me, Webb at best is a pretender banking a cheque he doesn’t deserve.
August 9th, 2008 at 9:57 pmSending Boomer down the road was an attempt by mgmt to send a message to Jared Allen that he was not being singled out.
August 9th, 2008 at 9:59 pmWebb has been pampered by Herm and Co., yet he has done nothing more than Sippio to prove anything to me, despite way more chances. Sippio is an inch taller, at least 10 pounds heavier, and, most importantly, he plays bigger. That’s no contest. The Ricks idea isn’t a terrible one, but I think track speed is overrated when it comes to receivers. He seems to play fast enough in games for me. In a ball control offense we want guys who can get open, catch the ball and hang on to it no matter how hard they get drilled. Sipp is one of those guys.
I agree with CurtMerz, MAnders and Rihavens on this one. The guy has shown he can play and deserves to get a shot with the big boys.
And I don’t trust Herm and Co. and what they see in practice. Like it was mentioned above, it seems obvious to me that they are protecting their vested interests. I’ve had problems with the Chiefs on many other players before. Last year I was pissed about Printers, who’s obviously way better than Thiggy. He was ran out of town and decided to go back to getting paid in Canada instead of getting jerked around by the Herms of the world.
Give this guy a shot–he’s earned it!
August 9th, 2008 at 11:29 pmThere is an obsession with Sippio, and it might be fueled by blogs like this. Why has he earned it? All we’ve seen of this kid is him on HBO last year and pre-game warmups. Hell, he couldn’t even get dressed until November or December last season. Fine, maybe Webb isn’t doing a stellar job, and Parker was obviously a bust, but seriously, if he’s not getting the opportunity, he’s probably not good enough. Ever thought that the coaches who see him every day know a little more than us blog-readers, who basically all get the same information from the same places?
August 10th, 2008 at 12:00 amBobby Sippio = Jesse Haynes.
August 10th, 2008 at 12:03 amSuzy D, after seeing Herm Edwards insist on playing Parker, Drummond, Terry, Svitek, etc…I’ve come to doubt his ability to properly assess players. I also don’t trust Herm and the front office’s biases. Brodie and Webb have been absolutely pampered by this staff despite playing poorly, and they won’t even give Sipp a crack at the field. It’s just fishy to me…
Sipp’s done more than you give him credit for, too. He’s caught every ball that’s been thrown to him during actual game action except one, and that was nearly a circus catch.
I’m not just a blogger either. I played safety in college and know a little bit about the game. I think I know a good receiver when I see one.
August 10th, 2008 at 12:09 amSuzy… as I said before: Sippio HAS earned a shot with the first team – he earned it last thursday night with a game winning TD catch and several YAK with two defenders on his back. Nuff said.
August 10th, 2008 at 4:10 amNo offense but this whole “conspiracy” business is beyond silly. NFL coaches and GMs don’t conspire against their players. In the end they want to win for a long time and be a perennial playoff team. Sometimes that means cutting a player who is maybe a little better now(Printers) for a similar player (Thigpen) who is younger and has more upside. In the case of Svitek, he was the only LT on the roster last year unless you put Turley there (scary) so Herm had to pretty much play him. He didn’t show much and now that the team has more line depth Svitek will likely be cut.
Drummond, Terry, and Parker were all vets and to start the season Herm was assembling a team to make a run at the playoffs. I would have kept Justin Phinnisee as the KR/PR, but you can see why Carl singed Drummond in theory. He simply had nothing left. However after 7 games we were 4-3 and in first place in the division. It took another 3 or 4 games for Herm and Co. to realize the season was over. Then the young guys started paying a little more. Did they hang onto Drummond too long? Yes. Were they a little slow realizing the season was lost? Yes. But were they conspiring against the young players and backups? Of course not.
I’d have to write a whole article to cover all that’s been said here LOL. One last thing though for Curt Merz Fan- Emmitt Smith was the 17th overall pick in his draft. When people were saying he was too slow, too small they meant in comparison to a typical 1st rd back. There was no one who thought he couldn’t be a good player in the NFL. Priest Holmes would have been a better analogy. Still RB doesn’t require great speed. WR does require it. Apples and oranges.
August 10th, 2008 at 7:58 amMaine, that’s why guys like Jerry Rice did well, eh? Speedy little guy, wasn’t he? Oh… wait.
And for the record, Svitek played well versus the Bears. I don’t remember seeing him get beat (it may have happened, I just didn’t see it.)
Merlinnj, you keep bringing up that Sippio has to earn it in practice.. Forgive me if I’m wrong, but Hard Knocks last year.. wasn’t that practice? Didn’t he catch EVERY ball shown on that show? And as was said, he was ‘glorified’ on that show, so obviously they showed a lot of his plays. He didn’t miss a single one, if memory serves. I’m sure he did, and they just didn’t play it. But even you couldn’t say that he didn’t look like a stud during the Hard Knocks ’season’.
By my accounts, that means he DID earn it in practice. Yet, as also was brought up, he didn’t suit up until late in the season. So he earns the right to play in practice/pre-season.. and doesn’t play. Could I please have an ounce or so of what you guys are smoking? It’s obviously some potent stuff.
August 10th, 2008 at 9:05 amxxxlp:
Yes, Hard Knocks was practice and yes, he did catch just about everything thrown his way. No one doubts he hands, but, three things have to happen. You have to be where you are supposed to be when you are supposed to be there, be open, and catch the ball. It’s the first two I question.
August 10th, 2008 at 10:08 amif he is catching the ball then he must be open. and if he is open then he must be where he is supposed to be. also i don’t hear anyone harping about D_Bowe’s lack of speed. he just always manages to get open enough to get the job done and fights hard enough even when he isn’t open. both of them come from the same extended gene pool so i will continue to be a Sippio supporter. count me on the side with CMF, Adam , and xxxlp
August 10th, 2008 at 11:18 amHow about we all petition Herm to start Webb and Sippio Saturday and lets see who catches more balls LOL.
“Sippio = Jesse Haynes” LOL. Preach it sister!
Seriously, can anyone tell me what Jeff Webb has done so poorly that he gets all this hate?
August 10th, 2008 at 11:29 amAhh, lobo beat me to the punch
. I was going to say something similar. He got seperation fairly well versus the Bears. Of course that’s against 2nd/3rd stringers, but none-the-less, he got it. You do what you can with what you’ve been given, and he was was given a chance late in the game. He took his chance and ran with it, quite literally.
August 10th, 2008 at 11:32 amThe only reason I’m even remotely bothered with Webb, is because when D-Bowe was sitting at 995 yards in the 2nd half of our last game, last year, Webb got ALL the attention. We threw to Webb probably 10-12 times in that 2nd half, and couldn’t get D-Bowe 5 stinkin’ yards for a 1k Rookie season? Are you kidding me? That’s BS.
Otherwise, Webb was a decent 3rd option at WR. He’s not overly good at anything, imo, but he’s good enough to stick the squad, I just think Sippio, if used correctly, would beat out Webb.
August 10th, 2008 at 11:40 amxxxlp, you might as well swing, because lobo’s comments are illogical.
August 10th, 2008 at 11:50 amxxxlp, you’re right about that last 5 yards for Bowe… I suspect he had a bonus in his contract or something for a 1K season.
August 10th, 2008 at 12:06 pmDoes anybody else remember how BAD Bowe looked on hard knocks last year? HBO made it look like the kid couldnt catch anything and had to completely relearn how to run a route. We all know how that turned out with Bowe putting up one of the best Chief rookie seasons in recent memory. All I’m saying is with shows like Hard Knocks they can edit it to look however they want and if the cameras had been on Webb for every catch and heard his life story Chiefs nation would be in love with him and not even know the name Sippio.
August 10th, 2008 at 12:42 pmI tried to locate the video of the Sip going in for touchdown after touchdown with the Chicago Rush, but could not find it. Adam, please post it up front with a note to Thischer, Herm, etc. if you find it. Sippio hurdling a defender to get into the end zone was one of the greatest displays of football determination I have seen in my 66 years. Dang, I loved it. BTW, I read many places where Rush-Bear fans said he was the best reciever they had ever seen.
August 10th, 2008 at 4:08 pmGO CHIEFS…im sure herm and coaches know what they are doing, they are nfl coaches. sippio is a hard worker but that doesnt mean he will make the squad. jeff webb is just as good if not better than sippio but webb is younger and thats exactly what herm and coaches are looking for. i hope everything works out and im sure it will. lets win some games thats all im concerned about this year….GO CHIEFS
August 10th, 2008 at 4:13 pmjbchiefs14 has been smokin the oregano again…:P
August 10th, 2008 at 4:31 pmIt’s OK–he just got back from Pineapple Express.
August 10th, 2008 at 4:36 pmI have wondered if Bowe being his relative has kept him around longer than if he wasnt.
August 10th, 2008 at 4:43 pmHow exactly is it illogical merlinn? It stands to reason that if he caught balls (which he did versus the Bears, and he undoubtedly did in Hard Knocks, that he is getting open. And if you say he’s not, then Brodie Croyle must not be getting the props he’s deserving of, seeing as how Sippy ‘wasn’t’ open, and still caught many, many pigskins. His route running may not be the best, but he is still getting seperation. Sure; some of it may not be his own, of course if Tony G. and Sippy run a cross 10 yards deep in the middle of the field, the backers will hesitate, and think about going for Tony. Doesn’t make it any less effective. Also, have you seen Sippy jump? The man’s got hops, yo. So if he’s catching balls… mind telling me how he’s not getting the job done? It don’t hafta be pretty, it just has ta work.
August 10th, 2008 at 4:50 pmI totally agree xxxlp, except it was Thiggy and guys like that Ivy League kid we cut last year throwing him the rock, which makes it even more impressive.
And I don’t think he’s got shown any favortism because of his bloodline, Randy. At least it hasn’t gotten him on the field.
August 10th, 2008 at 4:58 pmxxxlp/lobo:
Let’s take the logic in two pieces
a} “if he is catching the ball then he must be open.” This would be true IF the practice consisted solely of scrimages. However, teams run a lot of drills where you are not being defended or not defended closely.
b} “if he is open then he must be where he is supposed to be.” This is just stunningly illogical.
August 10th, 2008 at 5:26 pmWould you rather have Parker or Sippio as a wide receiver on your team? I ask that, because the difference was obvious to most fans last year, and we couldn’t figure out why he wasn’t playing. That said, Jason King told me, “The Chiefs are going to play the ones they have the most money invested in, and not a free agent, which has cost them almost nothing.”
August 10th, 2008 at 6:15 pmYes! Great post Adam. Finally someone brings the “Demorrio-Donnie-Nap farce” to light. I saw that months ago and I’ve been seething over it ever since. Teicher is a jackass, plain and simple. I don’t know what his problem with B-Sip is. It’s almost like he got jealous of the long standing Fatlock/King Carl gig and needed somebody to hate on.
And his comments about purposely not including Sippio in his story because the fans annoy him? Bullshit. You’re supposed to be a damn reporter for your team, which is fueled by its fans. You’re supposed to report on whatever the hell the fans want to hear about.
Whether he likes it or not, Sippio is a fan favorite. Most think it’s just because he was all over Hard Knocks. That’s not the case, at least for me. I didn’t even get to see most of them. I’ve been pulling for the guy since he came on because he was a breath of fresh air from the tired crew of Webb, Parker, and Kennison (sorry – never was a big fan of his).
The guy catches everything. That’s why we like him. Is Teicher’s memory so short that he forgets about all the years we had to put up with stone hands receivers? To finally get someone that can catch outside of Gonzo (and now The Show) is a God send! How can you blame us for liking the guy?
I love the idea of the header! I was pulling for Sippio before, but now I REALLY want him to make the team. It would be hilarious to see Teicher be forced to write about Sippio’s contributions on the field.
August 10th, 2008 at 6:29 pmAnd I’m not a conspiracy theorist by any means, but I do think that Herm has given Webb WAY too many chances to step up. To me, he hasn’t shown anything worthy of the play time that he’s gotten. He’s decent, but he’s not consistent, especially when it comes to catching the ball which is the most important quality of a receiver IMO. Sure, a guy can get open all day, but if he can’t catch what’s the use?
Obviously DBowe, DVD, and Franklin are locks. I say keep Price, Sip, and Robinson (assuming he wins the KR/PR job over Sams) and forget about Webb. We don’t need him leeching a roster spot for years Samie Parker style before we finally realize he’s useless and cut his ass.
August 10th, 2008 at 6:51 pmLast year Webb was credited with 28 catches vs. 3 drops. That’s pretty damn good. How anyone can judge Webb with any finality based on one year of playing time and only 2 starts is beyond me.
August 10th, 2008 at 7:14 pmYou’re right, Maine. I can’t judge him with any finality. It just seems to me that he’s had more than enough chances to live up to his potential and he still hasn’t. If he’s truly better than the other receivers, more power to him. If he’s not, get him out of the way so someone else can step up.
August 10th, 2008 at 7:30 pmMaine_Chief:
Adam dislikes Webb because he failed to get his feet in bounds on one play. I’m really glad you found that 28:3 catch/drop ratio, because I didn’t want to hunt for it. Perhaps that will put an end to the ridiculous “Webb can’t catch!” bullshit.
I’m really in the middle on this whole thing. I think the people in favor of him need to settle the fuck down. Yeah, he was great in the Arena League. But recall that he was also a member of the Miami Dolphins in 2004, and still wasn’t even allowed on the field. He hasn’t played a real NFL snap yet, so please reserve your judgment.
On the other hand, he has talent. I would like to see him play in a real game just to see what he can do.
August 10th, 2008 at 7:33 pmShould we aquire Pennington?
August 10th, 2008 at 7:34 pmshould we HAVE aquired Pennington I should say
August 10th, 2008 at 7:37 pmI’m amazed to see that you can read my mind, Sean B. Hopefully, you are making some money with your telepathic ability.
That was just one minor thing. The truth is, he’s played a ton of snaps and not shown much promise. Three drops is actually a significant number, considering how few targets he received and that Terrell Owens lead the league the past two years with 27 drops. Considering he gets about 100 targets a year, he drops a pass about 7% of them time. Using the same formula, Jeff Webb would be at 9%. Yes, a higher percentage than the league leader in drops. So, maybe there is some merit to this “Webb can’t catch!” bullshit?
I just don’t like Webb. He’s been handed his arrowhead on a silver platter by Daddy Herm, and Bobby can’t even get the chance to earn his.
August 10th, 2008 at 8:15 pmAnd I think Pennington may have worked, but he is 32. The bigger question is did we miss out on Leftwich, and will we go after Simms?
August 10th, 2008 at 8:17 pmI soooo wish we had a real alernative at QB
August 10th, 2008 at 8:36 pmSean, the Dolphins had good receivers around then. I can’t remember for sure when everyone left, but names like Chris Chambers and Marty Booker were there. David Boston was ‘roiding his way to the top of the WR charts, and Ricky Williams was running strong. They didn’t need him on the field. (Again, I can’t remember for sure when this all happened, but I just got home, I’m sunburned, and frankly, cranky, so I’m not going to look it up.)
Glass half full, for me please. We are (were) hurtin’ for a receiver besides TG/DB. I’m not saying he’s God, I’m saying he has good hands. Better than Webb, at the least.
Merlinn, while I didn’t say exactly what you wrote, I’ll go along with both parts.
“If he is catching the ball then he must be open”.. First of all, the first thing I said was the Bear’s game, and you only provided a refute for ‘practice scenario’s’, so when he makes catches in game, that’s totally different? Anywho, it’s either that he was open, or he possess incredible athleticism, to make leaping/acrobatic catches, or make catches around/through receivers. (Oh wait, he does do/have some of that.) Either that or, like I said you’re not giving enough props to our QB’s for delivering PINPOINT accurate throws, to a guy that’s being defended almost perfectly. Logical.. Hmmph. Next topic.
**b} “if he is open then he must be where he is supposed to be.” This is just stunningly illogical.**
Again, I didn’t say exactly this, but let’s roll with it. If he IS open, then ISN’T he where he’s supposed to be? You tell me Merlinn, should he be COVERED? Is that where he’s supposed to be? How bout if he lines up on the line of scrimmage, and as the play starts, he runs 10 yards backwards, and waits for a lateral. Is THAT where he’s supposed to be? The point of having a passing game is to hit the guy that’s OPEN. So you tell me, if he’s OPEN, how he’s not in the right spot, planned or not. I gaurantee you a hefty percentage of plays DON’T go as planned. What’s the best thing for a WR to do in that case? Find the open spot on the field, set up house in open real-estate, and wait for the rock. So once again, tell me how the guy who’s OPEN isn’t where he’s supposed to be. The illogicity (yes, illogicity, hahaha) that was displayed in your ‘logical’ assumption is highly illogical.
P.s. I just tried to say that last sentence 10 times fast, and it totally did not work out. If you’re bored, I recommend trying it. (Minus the parenthesis, of course.)
August 10th, 2008 at 8:45 pmHa. “Illogicity”. Style points!
August 10th, 2008 at 9:57 pmAdam, you are so off it’s not even funny. Thought I wouldn’t catch your shoddy statistics, huh?
You say Terrell Owens had 27 drops over the past two seasons . He had 85 receptions in ‘06 and 81 receptions in ‘07. That’s about 16.3%. Webb last season was about 10.7%. Much better.
Also, Terrell Ownes is one of the best receivers in history, so comparing him to Webb doesn’t really help your case much anyway.
August 11th, 2008 at 12:38 amActually, you’re right. I did targets for T.O. because I thought the 28 number was targets for Webb. I misread the original stat in the above post. Nonetheless, his drop ratio is pretty high compared to the rest of the league.
The case against Webb is when have you ever seen him make a big play? He’s played a shit ton, and never really done anything. He’s been given everything on a silver platter, and yet taken nothing. Sippio has been given nothing, yet he is still doing everything in his power to force the Chiefs to take notice.
What’s shoddy is the way opportunities are given by this coaching staff, and I’m not the only one who sees that.
August 11th, 2008 at 1:40 amMainChf wrote,”But recall that he was also a member of the Miami Dolphins in 2004, and still wasn’t even allowed on the field. He hasn’t played a real NFL snap yet, so please reserve your judgment”
The Sip was a Phin as a DEFENSIVE BACK, not as a WR.
August 11th, 2008 at 8:53 amI’m not taking sides on this one because I thought all the potential #3 WRs did a great job. That said, I do have a few comments/observations to make.
If I had to pick just one guy based on Thursday night’s performance, it would be Maurice Price. At the same time, I’m certainly not ready to annoint him as the #1 slot receiver based on a single preseason game much less any other receiver. Of the rest, I thought all executed very well meaning I saw no glaring flaws with any of them. Don’t forget there’s another rookie WR that we haven’t even seen yet – namely, Kevin Robinson.
As far as speed is concerned, it is a valuable commodity in a WR because it enhances your ability to stretch the field.
Nobody on this team can be rightly compared to either T.O. or Jerry Rice so please stop.
If you’re open, it doesn’t necessarily mean you’re where you’re supposed be; the route determines where you’re supposed to be.
Just because Adam Teicher says it doesn’t mean Herm Edwards thinks it. For all we know, Sippio may move up/down the depth chart as a result of his play on Thursday or for other reasons.
I don’t buy into any of the supposed “investment” or “son’s best friend”, etc etc theories for a variety of reasons. First of all, UFAs, AFLs, CFLs, cast offs and so forth are brought in because there is always the belief that they have the potential to fit the system and be something special. Secondly, because of his own experience as an NFL player, Herm Edwards would be the last person I would ever expect to not give guy a fair shot. Thirdly, Herm Edwards’ very livelihood depends on his ability to win games so it makes absolutely no sense that he would deliberately choose an inferior player (which btw can factor in things like age, measurables, toughness, upside, attitude, etc) for any reason.
Anyway, what’s most important and encouraging to me is that it appears we may finally have some high quality WR talent. The fact that there also appears to be full on competition at that level can only be a good thing.
August 11th, 2008 at 11:00 amAmen, Double D. I think that puts an end to it.
August 11th, 2008 at 11:17 amActually, I think the Sippio-Webb debate is just getting started, as is the positional battle royal at WR. I agree–it is exciting. Look how much energy people have on the topic. It fueled the discussion all weekend long.
August 11th, 2008 at 12:29 pmHey I think everyone is forgetting the Sippo is Bowe’s cousin isn’t he??? I would have to think that Herm and Co. would be more inclinded to keep their number #1 WR happy than Herm’s kid. At least Herm can give his kid and his firend (webb) a scouting job.. So, NO I don’t think this is Herm or Management playing favorites…
I do however think the Chiefs are trying to find a speedy 2nd and 3rd WR. They think Webb might and Sippo with his lack of speed is really a 3rd/possesion type of receiver. At the end of the day they both might get cut. Now personally, I think that the Chiefs should cut Webb and try and bring him back through waivers. That way they could keep both players and try and develop them. I don’t however think the same scenario would work with Sippio
August 11th, 2008 at 1:39 pmlobo:
I quoted you directly, yet you claim you didn’t say it. Here is your whole post.
lobo48 Says:
if he is catching the ball then he must be open. and if he is open then he must be where he is supposed to be. also i don’t hear anyone harping about D_Bowe’s lack of speed. he just always manages to get open enough to get the job done and fights hard enough even when he isn’t open. both of them come from the same extended gene pool so i will continue to be a Sippio supporter. count me on the side with CMF, Adam , and xxxlp
OK, tell me where you have been misquoted. Oh, on your response with the open claim. I am not buying false dichotomies any more than I am buying illogic. Oh, another point, you may have meant the Chicago game, However, it’s not stated.
August 11th, 2008 at 7:49 pmMerly, I do believe you have me mixed up with lobo, much like you have Webb mixed up with a wide receiver. I’m the one who replied to your post, not lobo.
August 11th, 2008 at 9:16 pmthanks xxxlp, i was gonna write and tell Merlin that i haven’t replied to him but you beat me to it.
August 11th, 2008 at 9:57 pmmerlin………i don’t want to get in a pissing contest with you cuz we both bleed red and gold. it just happens you prefer Webb and i prefer Sippio. both have upsides and both have downsides. i just hope that the best guy wins the roster spot no matter if it is one of them or another wr. whatever gives the team the best weapons.
and yes route running should determine where you are supposed to be, but if it is taking you into coverage shouldn’t you alter the route to find an open spot to give your qb a better target?
lobo48:
“and yes route running should determine where you are supposed to be, but if it is taking you into coverage shouldn’t you alter the route to find an open spot to give your qb a better target?”
I know what you’re saying, but it actually really depends on your offense/quarterback.
August 11th, 2008 at 10:32 pmyes obviously on timing routes and quick slants..etc. you have to stick to the route but in longer routes you can drift a little to get to a more open area of the field.
August 12th, 2008 at 4:47 pmDid you see Gretz loving him some Sips over on BobGretz.com?
August 13th, 2008 at 3:44 pmI’m going to have to write a post on that. Sorry for all of you who are sick of the Sippio debate, but it is the hot topic right now and will be at least until Saturday, and probably longer. I’m going to call it “Sipp-ing The Kool-Aid.” I think a lot of us are because he has heart and guts, two things Parker and Webb don’t have. He also has hands. I actually have started to like Bob since he launched his blog. It doesn’t seem like King Carl is his puppeteer over there.
August 13th, 2008 at 4:02 pm