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	<title>Comments on: Addict Angles: Pre-Season Cawfy Tawk</title>
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		<title>By: Double D</title>
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		<dc:creator>Double D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 15:15:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great comments all around. My take is that preseason can mean different things for different teams.

A coach that has already built a team and has an established track record of success is probably better off not worrying about wins in the preseason so much as &quot;warming up&quot; his veterans and making decisions about depth and long term development.

Players, on the other hand, typically want to come away with a win any time they set foot on a field because they are competitors and during the preseason, for many players, the stakes can be even higher because they are out there competing for NFL jobs.

For a team that&#039;s in the process of rebuilding, like this year&#039;s Chiefs, I believe this preseason can/should also be considered very important in terms of preparation, player evaluation/development, practicing (Chan&#039;s) new plays in actual game settings and perhaps above all, how that final 53 man roster feels about their accomplishments and failures.  I say one critical thing that absolutely needs to happen immediately, if not sooner, especially for Herm, Chan, Brodie and the offense, is learning how to win.  After last season, even the veterans need swagger and the more they have of it going into the regular season, the better.

I also agree somewhat with SeanB&#039;s point about it not necessarily being a bad thing if they lose. With a young squad like this, the last thing I want to see on Sept 7 is an overconfident Chiefs team going up to Foxborough.  I would prefer however that they lose no more than 1 game for a couple of reasons: 1) I see no reason why they can&#039;t beat at least 3 of the teams they&#039;re facing (Arizona, Miami, St. Louis) and 2) swag-itude.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great comments all around. My take is that preseason can mean different things for different teams.</p>
<p>A coach that has already built a team and has an established track record of success is probably better off not worrying about wins in the preseason so much as &#8220;warming up&#8221; his veterans and making decisions about depth and long term development.</p>
<p>Players, on the other hand, typically want to come away with a win any time they set foot on a field because they are competitors and during the preseason, for many players, the stakes can be even higher because they are out there competing for NFL jobs.</p>
<p>For a team that&#8217;s in the process of rebuilding, like this year&#8217;s Chiefs, I believe this preseason can/should also be considered very important in terms of preparation, player evaluation/development, practicing (Chan&#8217;s) new plays in actual game settings and perhaps above all, how that final 53 man roster feels about their accomplishments and failures.  I say one critical thing that absolutely needs to happen immediately, if not sooner, especially for Herm, Chan, Brodie and the offense, is learning how to win.  After last season, even the veterans need swagger and the more they have of it going into the regular season, the better.</p>
<p>I also agree somewhat with SeanB&#8217;s point about it not necessarily being a bad thing if they lose. With a young squad like this, the last thing I want to see on Sept 7 is an overconfident Chiefs team going up to Foxborough.  I would prefer however that they lose no more than 1 game for a couple of reasons: 1) I see no reason why they can&#8217;t beat at least 3 of the teams they&#8217;re facing (Arizona, Miami, St. Louis) and 2) swag-itude.</p>
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		<title>By: SEANBCOOL</title>
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		<dc:creator>SEANBCOOL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 21:24:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Couldn&#039;t agree more.</description>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 17:56:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good point, SeanB. I do think a mix of success and failure would adequately introduce our rookies to the NFL. I think it would be fine for us to go 2-2 or 1-3, but I do think we need to win a game for sure. I also think how the starters and young guys perform might be just as important, if not more, than the final box score. Even from a confidence standpoint.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point, SeanB. I do think a mix of success and failure would adequately introduce our rookies to the NFL. I think it would be fine for us to go 2-2 or 1-3, but I do think we need to win a game for sure. I also think how the starters and young guys perform might be just as important, if not more, than the final box score. Even from a confidence standpoint.</p>
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		<title>By: SEANBCOOL</title>
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		<dc:creator>SEANBCOOL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 09:31:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Call me nuts, but I&#039;d almost rather us lose a couple preseason games so that the younger guys realize that it&#039;s only gonna get harder from there and they need to step it up.  Maybe a losing preseason would motivate rookies and whatnot.

Just a thought.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Call me nuts, but I&#8217;d almost rather us lose a couple preseason games so that the younger guys realize that it&#8217;s only gonna get harder from there and they need to step it up.  Maybe a losing preseason would motivate rookies and whatnot.</p>
<p>Just a thought.</p>
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		<title>By: thebryman</title>
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		<dc:creator>thebryman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 00:53:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it may vary depending on teams also, you look at the Cowboys of the 90&#039;s, in 10 seasons from 90-99, they had a losing preseason 8 of the 10 years, and made the playoffs 8 out of 10 years, they missed once at 2-2, and once with a losing record.  What that says to me, was that they took it easy with their stars during the preseason, and turned it on once the season started.  I think the preseason is different to everyone.  To a young Chiefs team, it would really help to get it going and build some confidence, whereas a team that is a perennial contender it is a good time to get some reps for the young guys.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it may vary depending on teams also, you look at the Cowboys of the 90&#8217;s, in 10 seasons from 90-99, they had a losing preseason 8 of the 10 years, and made the playoffs 8 out of 10 years, they missed once at 2-2, and once with a losing record.  What that says to me, was that they took it easy with their stars during the preseason, and turned it on once the season started.  I think the preseason is different to everyone.  To a young Chiefs team, it would really help to get it going and build some confidence, whereas a team that is a perennial contender it is a good time to get some reps for the young guys.</p>
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		<title>By: thebryman</title>
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		<dc:creator>thebryman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 00:44:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems that the preseason is a good indicator in the way of predicting bad teams, because most often a team that loses is going to lose during the season, but winners are a lot harder to predict.  I found a couple of 4-0 preseason teams that flamed out during the season, and other than the Colts, none that did anything after an ofer.  I think the only undefeated preseason team to become the champs during that period was the Patriots.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems that the preseason is a good indicator in the way of predicting bad teams, because most often a team that loses is going to lose during the season, but winners are a lot harder to predict.  I found a couple of 4-0 preseason teams that flamed out during the season, and other than the Colts, none that did anything after an ofer.  I think the only undefeated preseason team to become the champs during that period was the Patriots.</p>
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		<title>By: Addict Angles: The Bryman&#8217;s Preseason Numbers &#124; Arrowhead Addict &#124; A Kansas City Chiefs Sports Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Addict Angles: The Bryman&#8217;s Preseason Numbers &#124; Arrowhead Addict &#124; A Kansas City Chiefs Sports Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jul 2008 20:44:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: ComeSackMyQB</title>
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		<dc:creator>ComeSackMyQB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jul 2008 18:53:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>its pretty obvious one here, you have to win in the preseason, i dont care what anybody else says, if you win in preseason that means you have good depth, that takes care of the starters not playing much comment, if you have good depth your production shouldnt drop a whole lot between starters and back ups, bryman showed us that preseason counts with his stats and im sayin without decent backups you will not win in the preseason, and you will not win in the regular season, if you can win with your 2nd string, you should have no problem kickin ass with your starters</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>its pretty obvious one here, you have to win in the preseason, i dont care what anybody else says, if you win in preseason that means you have good depth, that takes care of the starters not playing much comment, if you have good depth your production shouldnt drop a whole lot between starters and back ups, bryman showed us that preseason counts with his stats and im sayin without decent backups you will not win in the preseason, and you will not win in the regular season, if you can win with your 2nd string, you should have no problem kickin ass with your starters</p>
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		<title>By: CurtMerzFan</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jul 2008 18:36:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Impressive stats thebryman, and your conclusions are sound. But on the basis of those numbers, I would say the most important thing about the preseason is getting your team ready to actually PLAY the regular season... and on that basis, one could infer Herm has not been getting it done that last few years. That said, I need to quantify what &#039;being ready&#039; is, and it&#039;s not necessarily measured in the w/l column.

There is no excuse for not having all of your offense installed or playing straight vanilla defense in the regular season, and that&#039;s what&#039;s been going on since Herm came to KC. As important as evaluating and developing the young talent is, you need to be doing that in the light of real league circumstances - otherwise the youngsters don&#039;t really know what the job they&#039;re expected to do ACTUALLY is.

This means your all your offense and defensive sets need to be installed by the end of the 2nd preseason game, and your starters need to be in place early enough to get 7-9 quarters playing time together in the preseason. I think Herm is going this direction this year based on his comments about starters during the OTA&#039;s. But more than wins and losses, I want to see our guys play like they belong on the field during the first four games - and I want to see it in game ONE. These slow starts are my only serious criticism of Herm&#039;s coaching since he came to KC.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Impressive stats thebryman, and your conclusions are sound. But on the basis of those numbers, I would say the most important thing about the preseason is getting your team ready to actually PLAY the regular season&#8230; and on that basis, one could infer Herm has not been getting it done that last few years. That said, I need to quantify what &#8216;being ready&#8217; is, and it&#8217;s not necessarily measured in the w/l column.</p>
<p>There is no excuse for not having all of your offense installed or playing straight vanilla defense in the regular season, and that&#8217;s what&#8217;s been going on since Herm came to KC. As important as evaluating and developing the young talent is, you need to be doing that in the light of real league circumstances &#8211; otherwise the youngsters don&#8217;t really know what the job they&#8217;re expected to do ACTUALLY is.</p>
<p>This means your all your offense and defensive sets need to be installed by the end of the 2nd preseason game, and your starters need to be in place early enough to get 7-9 quarters playing time together in the preseason. I think Herm is going this direction this year based on his comments about starters during the OTA&#8217;s. But more than wins and losses, I want to see our guys play like they belong on the field during the first four games &#8211; and I want to see it in game ONE. These slow starts are my only serious criticism of Herm&#8217;s coaching since he came to KC.</p>
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		<title>By: thebryman</title>
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		<dc:creator>thebryman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jul 2008 18:21:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Instead of taking it on faith, I went to NFL.com, and looked up the correlation between winning/losing and making/missing the playoffs.  I did not count teams that went 2-2 in the preseason, only winners and losers.  Here&#039;s the result of what I found.

53 teams had winning preseason records during that period.  Of those 53 teams:

Winner in preseason and made postseason: 19
Winner in preseason and missed preseason: 34

So a winner in the preseason made the postseason 36% of the time during that time.

65 teams had losing preseason records during that period.  Of those 65 teams:

Loser in preseason and made postseason: 12
Loser in preseason and missed postseason: 43

So a loser in the preseason made the postseason 18% of the time during that period.

So what can we conclude on actual facts.  A winner is twice as likely to make the postseason.  However, the chances of a winning record meaning regular season success only happen a little better than 33% of the time.

Now that your all bored with a ton of numbers, I&#039;m done, and if you don&#039;t believe me, go and crunch the numbers yourself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Instead of taking it on faith, I went to NFL.com, and looked up the correlation between winning/losing and making/missing the playoffs.  I did not count teams that went 2-2 in the preseason, only winners and losers.  Here&#8217;s the result of what I found.</p>
<p>53 teams had winning preseason records during that period.  Of those 53 teams:</p>
<p>Winner in preseason and made postseason: 19<br />
Winner in preseason and missed preseason: 34</p>
<p>So a winner in the preseason made the postseason 36% of the time during that time.</p>
<p>65 teams had losing preseason records during that period.  Of those 65 teams:</p>
<p>Loser in preseason and made postseason: 12<br />
Loser in preseason and missed postseason: 43</p>
<p>So a loser in the preseason made the postseason 18% of the time during that period.</p>
<p>So what can we conclude on actual facts.  A winner is twice as likely to make the postseason.  However, the chances of a winning record meaning regular season success only happen a little better than 33% of the time.</p>
<p>Now that your all bored with a ton of numbers, I&#8217;m done, and if you don&#8217;t believe me, go and crunch the numbers yourself.</p>
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