More Dr. Favrenstein
And now, as you’re debating a comeback, isn’t that what you want? A town to idolize you?
I really enjoyed this open letter to Brett Favre, from Small-Market Scribblings. I disagree with the writer about our talent level. I believe going with Brett over Brodie Croyle would net the Chiefs another four or five wins, I really do. Brett’s dealt with playing behind some average offensive lines, and I doubt he’s ever been surround by a juggernaut group of skill players like Dwayne Bowe, Larry Johnson and Tony Gonzalez. And, once again, quarterback is easily the most important NFL position.
I hold tight to the belief that Favre could lead us somewhere in 2009, especially if the frugal front office actually decided to spend a little in free agency. As far as the sentiment that we’d be wasting two years, I hate to say this, but I’m pretty sure we’re going to end up wasting another year at least on Croyle. I hope I’m wrong, but I doubt that I am given what I’ve seen so far. Favre would give us at least a shot at the postseason, maybe more down the road, while we really figure this quarterback situation out. Of course, I am not part of the ever-growing Croyle crowd, so some of you will obviously disagree. SMS agrees, though:
First off, forget being a backup. Our starter here, Brodie Croyle, yeah, I wouldn’t expect you to remember his name. He’s got as much chance of challenging you for a starting role as the Royals have of making a run for the pennant.
Looking back at the adulation and success Joe Montana had here in an eerily similar situation, I at least have to add the Chiefs to the list of long-shot possibilities for Old No. 4. I’m not really concerned about the offense we run either. After nearly two decades of being a signal caller, dude knows the game.
But while the rumors that we have some interest are apparently true, not everyone believes the Chiefs to be a good fit for Favre. All the numbers don’t back up the potential move either. From the New York Times:
Other rebuilding teams, like the Atlanta Falcons and the Kansas City Chiefs, have a reported interest in Favre. Those teams should not expect him to reverse their fortunes. According to “Pro Football Prospectus 2008,” Favre was 1,437 yards better than a “replacement level” quarterback (a rookie or an off-the-rack backup) last season — about 90 yards a game: enough to provide an extra win or two, but not enough to turn the 3-13 Falcons or 4-12 Chiefs into winners. Bad teams often have bad offensive lines; given the choice, Favre may stay home rather than risk his health behind rickety protection.
I still believe Favre would be the difference between us going 9-7 and 5-11, but obviously not everyone agrees. I also fully believe that he’d give us the chance to make a legitimate playoff run in 2009. While I still doubt he will end up wearing Red and Gold, I’d still love to see it. The Chiefs seem to be looking to bring in more revenue, which I’ll discuss in a future post, and I can’t think of a better way to do so. Maybe there is a chance?
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Last year toward the end of the season, I heard Tim Grundhard talking about how the team needed to be completely rebuilt for the first time since Schottenheimer, then he said something that I thought was truely inciteful. Talking about how Chiefs fans had suddenly turned on the team when they started doing badly he said, “It may be time to rebuild the fanbase as well”.
A lot of Chiefs fans have become jaded, disgruntled and negative. They were on the cusp of something big for so long that they still feel they are only “1 or 2 players away”. That simply is not the case anymore. This team has serious problems with talent level and experience.
There is a huge difference between the situation where Joe Montana was brought in and where the team is at now. When Montana was brought in, the Chiefs were a top team every year. They HAD the core of the team built and truely were one or two players away, the biggest of those needs was a QB with experience in the post season to get the team over the hump.
No one can say that about the Chiefs this year. We are not a HoF QB away from winning a Super Bowl. I always find it hillarious how many people that despise Carl Peterson regergetate his philosophy of winning as many games as possible so you have a chance to get in the playoffs and see what happens. That is the same philosophy we’ve had the last 20 years that has failed us, but its all most Chiefs fans know. They don’t want to spend money to watch the team lose, so they want to cobble it together however possible so they can get the worth for their money.
The problem is, that thinking keeps the Chiefs a mediocre team. Look at what Adam is saying here. Let’s bring Favre in so we can go 9-7 (btw, completely disagree that Favre will win us 4 games by himself, thats practically celebrity worship and not based in reality). Is a 9-7 team that the Chiefs have now, even with Brett Favre leading us going to stand much of a chance against the Colts or Pats? I think not.
Its time for the Chiefs to take the long view. Undergo temporary pain of rebuilding so that you will have a chance at long term success down the road.
I know, I know “I’ve been a Chiefs fan for 30 years! They OWE it to me to win and be a champion and I don’t want to wait another year!!!”
Maybe Grunhard was right. Maybe its time for the old jaded burnt out fans to take a break and let some new fans that are excited about watching a young team grow from scratch to become a dominant power in the AFC. Because if we do what the jaded fans want and keep bandaiding it, we’ll never again be the team we were in the 90s or even better, better than that team.
July 13th, 2008 at 12:20 pmPlease please please please don’t let Favre come to play for the Chiefs. Let’s stick with Brodie and see what we’ve got and by the end of the season he can stay or go. But please, no more retiring quarterbacks! He wouldn’t do the team any favors, maybe stick around for two years and then we’d be right back where we are now, if not worse off. And frankly, I don’t think he’s got it in him to go to a new team and produce good numbers, the dude is just getting old.
I could ramble further…
July 13th, 2008 at 12:29 pmDJ, the four game prediction is based more on Brodie’s futility than Brett’s celebrity. I just honestly think the kid’s no good and don’t want to see us waste time on him. If we are going to waste a season on a QB anyway, I’d rather have it be on a guy who could give us a chance to win in 2009, and could at least keep us competitive this year. Having some success and being in tight games would be great for our youngs.
I don’t want L.J.’s prime wasted on him. I don’t want D-Bo’s formative years wasted on him. I don’t want the end of Tony G’s illustrious career wasted on him.
I’d rather put a band aid on and address the wound than just let it bleed. Brodie is almost like rubbing salt in the wound. He’s the next Kyle Boeller.
Brett Favre was one pass away from the Super Bowl last year, with a young team. Was Brodie even pass away from winning a game?
I could ramble on further, too, but since I’ve said my piece, I won’t
July 13th, 2008 at 12:40 pmIt wasn’t Brodie that sucked last year, it was (and I hate saying this) the Chiefs sucking as a whole. Sure, Brodie didn’t come in and put up superstar numbers or even win a game, but he didn’t really have a chance to either. Let’s see what Gailey does, like DJ said, we are rebuilding. I’d see it as a big waste to bring in a retiring QB even if he alone could win 13 games next year. If Favre were the Chiefs QB last year he would of looked just like Damon Huard after 8 games.
Now let me gamble and say something. Peyton Manning wasn’t the best quarterback in the first half of the game we played them in last year. Brodie came in and actually looked better on film than Manning. I think that was true through most of the second half as well. At one point I actually thought we were going to win that game.
July 13th, 2008 at 2:05 pmPackers aren’t going to release him anyway…
http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d809438d2&template=with-video&confirm=true
July 13th, 2008 at 2:08 pmBringing Farve in is a joke. We would be repeating the exact same thing as GB did. Farve delaying a Young Qb’s growth, in a shallow attempt to win some games.
Sure, we may make the postseason as a wildcard, but we are not a contender. Doing that is just a waste of draft position. If you are going to make the playoffs, you better hope your going deep. Rounding out the season, 4-12, is alot better than 12-4, if you lose in the first round of playoffs. Having Farve in the team, just to win a few more games, is a joke and probly would be a waste in cap space and draft order.
I didn’t watch alot of chiefs football last year, but the games i did watch, i saw a very promising QB. If given enough time in the pocket, Croyle can make alot of fantastic throws. He has the skill set to do it. I believe Croyle is a very good QB, he just has bad circumstances.
I will make reference to 3 - 4 years ago. We all saw what LJ did behind our O-line. They destroyed the defense constantly, and imagine what he would of done if he started all 16 games. We know Trent Green wasnt a great QB, but behind that O-line he was consistely putting up 4000 yards. If Croyle played behind that line, you would be hailing him as a Elite level Quaterback.
Get the line to its old standerd and Croyle will not let you down.
July 13th, 2008 at 4:09 pmAdam
You’re not the prognosticator you claim to be. You have no more idea how well Croyle can play than anyone else does.
If you went by QBs first seasons under a bad team, you would have given up on Troy Aikman, Peyton Manning and any number of other QBs who started off horribly and went on to have Hall of Fame careers.
Not saying Croyle is in those guys class, but the point is that if the team around you sucks, one guys, even a HoF caliber QB is not going to matter.
The Chiefs need to be looking for their franchise guy. If you put Favre in, your’re STILL going to be getting at least a year of Croyle the year after Favre retires because we STILL won’t know if he’s the guy or not.
No offense, but just because you say he’s not does not convince me.
We need to play Croyle this year and if he’s the guy, awesome. But if he’s not, we need to know so we can get another young guy in here learning the system ready for his turn.
I saw your post about your dream event duo (or whatever you called it). Win the Super Bowl, ditch Croyle and draft Teebo. Don’t tell me you’re not a star struck celebrity lover if you’re hoping the QB that leads you to the Super Bowl will get replaced by a completely unproven media-hyped player.
July 13th, 2008 at 4:12 pmThere is a certain “finality” (is that a word?) about starting over, continuing the youth movement. It’s finally starting it’s course. If you bring in a 38 year old quarterback, you just keep delaying the inevitable. Then, in 2 or 3 years, your youth movement is not as youthful … Isn’t it better to just stay the course? I think so. I know Croyle is 0-6 as a starter, but I didn’t see him lose every game for us by himself. Last time I checked there were 21 other players on the field, and various coaches …
July 13th, 2008 at 4:59 pmD.J.,
You’re entitled to your own opinion. Just don’t come crying to me when Brodie inevitably lets you and all the other Brodie believers down. I’m just trying to give everyone a much-needed dose of reality.
Reading is also fundamental. You’re like the third person I’ve had to correct on this. I said we won the Super Bowl in spite of Brodie Croyle, because even in my wildest dreams I couldn’t imagine him leading us to one. You know, like how the Ravens won in spite of Trent Dilfer, and certainly not because of him. Not going to clear that up any more…geez…lol
July 13th, 2008 at 6:09 pmWe’ll see how it shakes out, but I’ll bet anybody Favre wins more games in ‘08 than Croyle. Hell, he’ll win just as many as he did last year if he stays retired
July 13th, 2008 at 6:12 pmAdam
Again, you are showing just how in love with the celebrity status you are. Croyle is not highly thought of by the national media, so no matter what happens or how succesful he may be, it won’t be good enough because he’s not a celebrity in the media.
The same is true for practically every free agent you have endorsed and said the Chiefs should go after. If they are a star in the media, you want them even if they would not be a good fit for the team.
Just commenting on a tendency you have which Im sure Im not the only one to have noticed.
I am not in love with Croyle in particular, but I AM in love with the idea of the Chiefs looking for a young QB to lead a Chiefs dynasty. I will base that on what I see on the field, not on whether the talking heads on ESPN like him or not. And I will be patient and give them an actual opportunity to develop rather than throw them to the wolves with no support around him to see him pulled and sent to another team and see him succeed.
Of course, then you’d probably just blame that on Carl Peterson and everyone would agree with you.
July 13th, 2008 at 6:41 pmD.J.,
This whole thing about being obsessed with celebrities is downright laughable. I’m not even going to comment on that, but many of the free agents I targeted were not stars. D.J. Hackett was one. Drew Carter was another. There were many others. The other thing you have to remember, is that we have readers, and they like hearing about players whose names they recognize. I also wanted to let the Chiefs know that their fans wanted them to spend, regardless if they took notice or not.
As for Croyle, why am I suddenly a follower because I don’t think he’s going to succeed? Nothing he has done in college or the NFL has displayed to me that he can consistently stay on the field, let alone be a big-time QB. The people who should be on trial are the homers who have invested so much blind faith in him. It’s almost a cult at this point. I swear, the guy is more popular among fans than L.J. and Tony G. There’s something seriously wrong with this picture.
And I am the one who wanted us to draft Matt Ryan, not to mention at least another QB during the first half of the draft. I definitely want us to draft or trade for one next year. I just don’t want us to waste any more time on Brodie than we already have. I’d much rather play Favre and win some more ball games this season than waste time trying to develop Croyle. Sorry, but that’s just my honest opinion. I think the kid is mediocre at best, and not because anybody else does. I’ve watched every pro snap he’s ever taken with my own two eyes, I don’t need to consult anyone else on the matter.
There’s nothing I can say to make you agree with me, but I’ve seen enough of the kid to know he’s not the answer.
As for Peterson, look back to the archives. There have been times where I have gone against the grain and defended him, like when he traded Jared, or vice versa. You’re off on that one as well.
I’m sorry that I don’t agree with you, but you’re completely out of touch when it comes to me and how I form my opinions. If anything, I march to the beat of my own drum. That’s all I have to say. Staying away from this Brodie B.S. until the preseason, because, like Jack, people can’t handle the truth…
Done. Nice ending point as I approach my next piece.
July 13th, 2008 at 7:45 pmAdam
Matt Ryan is a perfect example of what Im talking about. He’s a nobody. Nobody even heard of him until they started talking about QBs and discovered this was one of the worst QB drafts in history and well, he was the best of that horrible class so that automatically makes him a star. So a guy with limited talent becomes a media sensation and you jump right on board.
And this is whats confusing about your opinion of Croyle. You go on and on about him being mediocre and you’re just so convinced he cannot be an NFL QB, but then when you want proof, you go to his injury history. Well yeah, he’s been injured. But what does that have to do with his performance when hes on the field?
All I can say is I hope we never get a future Hall of Famer like Aikman or Manning were their first year because if the team is bad and they go through growing pains, you’re going to throw them overboard too. Unless they are a media darling that is.
July 13th, 2008 at 9:50 pmUh, actually a ton of people in the media hated Matt Ryan. Just saying….
To me both guys have proven shit and until you do that, to me, you are nothing. You can say one will be great and one will be good, but until you prove it than you just as good as Ryan Leaf.
(One another note, I have been Adams brother for over 27 years and usually goes for the guys that are not media sensations/darlings/whatever you want to call them.)
July 13th, 2008 at 10:25 pmBrett Favre’s passer ratings and win-loss records for the past 4 seasons go as follows:
2007 - 95.7 13-3
2006 - 72.7 8-8
2005 - 70.9 4-12
2004 - 92.4 9-7
My first question to anybody who thinks this would be a brilliant move on the part of the Chiefs would be “which Brett Favre will we be getting?”
Buts let’s just say for the sake of argument that Carl and Herm ignore the inherent hypocrisy of casting aside the mantra of “youth movement” by spending cap money on an inconsistent 38 year old QB whose medical history includes multiple concussions, cracked vertebrae, and drug and alcohol abuse. What is your plan B if he gets his bell rung yet again and the neuro-specialists, team physicians collective tell Brett Favre his career is officially done?
Waste of money, waste of time. Ridiculous idea.
July 14th, 2008 at 8:52 amFirst of all…I love the heated comments even though I think DJ went a little on the personal side. If it proves on thing is that there is passion here about our Chiefs!
Now my opinion sides on the side with DJ. Adam I agree….just guessing Favre would win us more games in 2008 than will Croyle, but I am not thinking about 2008. 2008 to me is a rebuilding year, if we win one game or 10 games this year (which is the max I think we can win) we need to find out about our young players….including Croyle.
Now for the sake of argument I am going to assume what you say about Croyle is true (even though my opinion of him is still up in the air…just waiting to see what he does this season). 2008…Croyle blows and we release/trade him for a low draft pick and start over. Is this going to get us more wins in 2009 and 2010 than with Favre? No. But if you bring in Favre, by 2010 at most you have an underperforming quarterback you are paying a high salery and nothing but unprovens behind him.
The point above all is that the Chiefs need to find an option at quarterback that we can build around for the next 8-10 years and actually become a consistent contender for the AFC spot in the super bowl, and who cares if that is Croyle or someone else. Bottom line…Favre is not that quarterback, so spending time on him IS a waste. Now I know to you spending time on Croyle IS a waste too, but until he either proves or disproves you we don’t know if it is or not. If I was as sure as you that croyle will be a bust…I still wouldn’t want Favre in here because he will be just as big of a waste of time as the failure we have now.
Comparing the Montana and Favre situations is apples to oranges…..team is in completely different phases.
I am tired of winning seasons and shallow playoff runs, and the way to get beyond that is always building for the future….a Favre move is about now and not the future, and we have been down that road and I am tired of it.
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July 14th, 2008 at 1:02 pmOk, I hear people (Adam, Butter, etc.) constantly saying things like “We shouldn’t waste time on Croyle until he proves something”. Well, isn’t that kind of backwards?
You can’t expect everyone to perform immediately out of college, especially not quarterbacks. Peyton Manning didn’t. He went 3-13 his rookie season, and that’s given much more of a chance than Brodie has received so far. So the Colts should have “not wasted their time” on Manning? Because he obviously hadn’t proved anything yet.
How can a quarterback prove himself if you don’t give them a chance? Another example:
The other Manning, Eli. For most of the first four seasons of his career, people hated him. Said he wasn’t a good NFL quarterback and never would be. The Giants were “wasting their time”. Then, BAM, he wins a Super Bowl against one of the best teams in the history of the NFL ever. I bet those haters are quiet now aren’t they?
FYI: Eli went 0-6 in his first 6 starts, too. So tell me, Brodie haters.. what is the reality in your hatred for Brodie Croyle?
July 14th, 2008 at 1:12 pmAll solid points Sean.
Adam, et al seem to think there’s some huge love affair of fans for Brodie. I personally don’t see where that’s coming from. As far as I can tell, most people will say that they just don’t know yet if Croyle is “the guy” because they feel he has yet to be given a fair opportunity to show whether or not he is. Apparently Adam and few others feel he’s had his shot.
July 14th, 2008 at 1:52 pmWell this Croyle-Manning comparison is a bit fishing for something. If you guys dont remember the Mannings were GREAT in college, Brodie was just good.
Brodie - 6,382 yards with 41 touchdowns
Eli - 10,119 yards with 81 touchdowns
Peyton - 11,201 yards with 90 touchdowns
Again everyone has there Brodie opinions, but until the season starts NOTHING will change them…
July 14th, 2008 at 4:56 pmOne more thing about the Mannings is that teams used the #1 Overall pick on both players, so even if they went 0-32 there first 2 seasons they are going to get a shot with the money invested in them.
I agree we should give Brodie a shot, but answer this:
Why couldn’t he beat out Damon Huard? Peyton or Eli or anyone else that is sooooo good would not lose the starting job to Damon Huard. ZING!
July 14th, 2008 at 4:59 pmZing indeed
July 14th, 2008 at 5:11 pmsaw in another thread that someone suggested that next year the browns will have to make a decision on their qbs so what the hell would it hurt to bring in a guy like favre and if hes hit the wall then go after anderson/quinn? honestly favre MIGHT make us a serious contender this year you know if you get to the playoffs anything can happen. and with our division anything can happen. our line will be better and with the weapons we do have on the offensive side we could seriously do some damage with a qb who isnt scared to let it fly.
July 14th, 2008 at 5:33 pmand im the guy who thinks favre gets frustrated and tries too hard sometimes but you know week in and week out that guy is gonna give you a chance.
July 14th, 2008 at 5:34 pmTis true tis true…Brodie pissed down his leg last preseason….will he do it again? Time will tell. Something tells me this year is different, just a hunch, I hope I am right, but I am ready for reality if I turn out to be wrong
Jason:
July 14th, 2008 at 5:45 pmWhy spend the money on Favre this year if you are going to go after Anderson/quinn anyways, especially with him playing at his absolute best doesn’t make us contend for a superbowl. If brodie bombs I am all for picking up a young qb in free agency (noticed I said young), but bringing in an old guy is just bass ackwards to everything that has been built here so far. You don’t want to be changing out the games most important position while the rest of the team is coming into its prime…..you need someone there, established, that can be there for a long time. If Adam is right they either need a young free agent or a high draft pick spent on quarterback next year.
butter, ok so f&ck off this year and still need a qb next?? what has brodie done to get all this f&ckin support? im all for the guy but really what has he done so far that if the chance to get a guy who has made a team much like ours ONE PLAY FROM THE SUPERBOWL. look at green bay last year, young oline, young defense, decent rb, average receivers, no tight end to speak of.
July 14th, 2008 at 5:54 pmnow look at us: maybe a better wr corps. top 15(probably top 10) defense, HOF Tight End, top 5 RB,young oline
see the resemblance???????????
and WE HAVE THE MONEY TO SPEND, YOU CANT SAVE CAP ROOM AND CARRY IT OVER TO NEXT YEAR
also what YOUNG QB will be there next year?
July 14th, 2008 at 5:55 pmon craft day STEVE YOUNG said that matt ryan was the only franchise qb this year OR NEXT
sorry man but brodie hasnt done enough to be handed the job if you bring in a favre and brodie beats him out great(wink wink) but do you really think that will happen? and like adam thinks favre might play for peanuts(i disagree but the guy is right sometimes lol)
July 14th, 2008 at 5:59 pmand if it came across wrong i didnt mean for you to f&ck off this year i meant the team f&ck off this season (waste)
July 14th, 2008 at 6:33 pmand in the nfl you have to win NOW not in ayear or 2 you have to look ahead but every year BETTER be a win now year.
July 14th, 2008 at 6:37 pmwhat if after a terrible seasin TG waters and Donnie Edwards retire, and some freak accicent happens and dbo or lj were injured in the offseason where are we then??? also DJ’s contract will be up soon what if he were to leave we would have NO TEAM.
i would take a chance atr a superbowl with a superbowl quality qb now and hope that everything was ok next year later.
sorry season
July 14th, 2008 at 6:37 pmTo those who think we should dump Croyle in favor of Croyle I say stop and think about what you are advocating. Don’t compare Croyle vs the Mannings, compare Croyle vs Favre. Favre was a guy who got released by Atlanta after just one season basically because Jerry Glanville considered him to an incompetent, unmotivated mess.
He then lands GB where probably the only reason he ever became a starter was because the starting QB got injured. Favre struggled a lot early on and the only reason he remained an NFL QB is because Holmgren made a personal commitment that he and Favre were “connected at the hip” and that togther they would win it all or go down in flames. Favre himself will be the first to admit that that commitment more than anything gave him the confidence he needed to succeed and ultimately what turned him around.
To make matters worse, Favre had to deal with serious alcohol and drug abuse issues early in his career. Croyle, another “unproven” gunslinger, has exhibited absolutely no character concerns and so far (thankfully) appears to have coaches and teammates that are on board with him.
I find it a bit hypocritical for anyone who understands those comparisons to somehow suggest that we should now gamble on an aging, iffy gunslinger who gave his coaches all kinds of reasons to not support him early in his career and by so doing, effectively end the career of a young gunslinger who’s essentially had no shot to prove himself.
I’m far from sold on Brodie Croyle but I think anyone who thinks it’s okay to dump him in favor of Brett Favre needs to check their bullshit meter. If Brodie fails “the test” this season, and if Thigpen also can’t hack it, then yeah, absolutely go out and find another young QB al a Bardy Quinn, etc.
July 15th, 2008 at 8:34 amfirst line should read “dump Croyle in favor of Favre” sheesh . ..
July 15th, 2008 at 8:35 amwhat does favre’s early problems have to do with anything? we’re talking about today.
July 15th, 2008 at 11:42 amwhat good is “bardy quinn” gonna do this year?
favre would help this year
Hey guys, long time reader/first time poster!
I’m with you, DJ. I think that for themost part Chiefs fans think we’re in the middle of the pack rather than towards the extreme bottom. A Favre or Derek Anderson or Koren Robinson or
Ty Lawwhoever here won’t do any good. This team is just too far gone to be “fixed” this year.It might not be fair to compare Croyle to one of the Mannings, but it is generally accepted to let a QB play for some time before judging him. Everyone sucks at first. Anyone calling Croyle a failure atthis point is retarded. Let him blow up for good or for bad first.
Uhh… Adam, your Homer is showing. Is that why you said “your piece?”
July 15th, 2008 at 12:07 pmI think Double D’s point, JASON, is that we should stick with Brodie and let him prove himself. And I completely agree with him.
I find it puzzling that the same fans who have sat through veteran plug-in after veteran plug-in at QB over the years and watched it accomplish basically nothing are so unwilling to embrace the possibility of a home-grown product. Let’s try something new here, guys.
Croyle needs to be the guy.
July 15th, 2008 at 12:10 pmFavre early problems are as good an argument as you’ll find for sticking with a young, unproven QB that you hope eventually becomes your franchise guy. It’s called commitment to a plan and belief in the people you hire to implement it. It is a formula for long term success.
Given his recent history, you can just as easily assume that Favre could just as easily hurt this year as help. There is no way you can absolutely assume he will have a good year especially with a new team that doesn’t even run the WC offense.
Today’s Favre (and yesterday’s Favre) is/was anything but a sure thing. He most likely will not single-handedly win us a championship (but he certainly would all the credit if the team somehow did manage it). Most importantly, he can do little to help us build a winning program. He is neither coach nor mentor, he is simply an on-the-field- improvisor and I see nothing of value that he could impart to the younger players through his presence. As I said above, even if he did come in and ride herd over a SB win, I believe most everybody, myself included, would view it as a shallow, fleeting, mercenary episode where he would get all the glory. While that might be momentarily fun for KC, it would be not good for the lockerroom, not good for the future of the team, and ultimately nothing much to brag about for us as fans.
“Bardy” (reportedly a big fan of Shakespeare btw) might be an option for next year if our QB situation completely falls apart this season.
July 15th, 2008 at 12:21 pmwait a superbowl victory wouldnt be much for us to brag about? DD i call bullshit on that point because you and every other chiefs fan would be just as excited as if anyone else was the qb.
July 15th, 2008 at 5:25 pmfurthermore, your comparison is lacking only one thing,the injuries brodie has endured. smart money is on brodie getting hurt before favre. we’re talking about the guy who has started more consecutive games than anyone in HISTORY. and comparing him to a guy who has two repaired knees,and missed time in each of his nfl seasons.
and i want to stress that im hoping that brodie excels in whatever situation happens over the course of his career, be it with us as a starter, backup, or with some other team in some capacity. i just want what gives us the best shot at winning
July 15th, 2008 at 5:27 pmone more point: say brodie fails miserably this year, and we miss out on the potential Quinn/Anderson sweepstakes, who in our organization has shown that they can:
July 15th, 2008 at 6:06 pmsee talent in a qb?
groom said qb into an nfl starter?
Lip Curl? oh i mean dick
damon huard? career backup
brodie? you mean the guy who couldnt beat out huard?
Scenario - Chiefs take Favre in exchange for day 2 pick, then immediately deal him to a team that is likely to give us 1st/2nd round pick for him (e.g., Minnesota, Chicago, Tampa Bay, etc). Talk about pissing off some people in Wisconsin . . .
July 16th, 2008 at 9:37 amRead an article on Pro Football Talk that said a double trade of that nature was unlikely. It said there would probably be some sort of clause that would increase that second day pick to a first rounder or something if Favre was traded to an NFC North rival.
July 16th, 2008 at 1:17 pmOh well
July 16th, 2008 at 1:32 pmAdam’s Schefter’s commentary on NFL.com suggests that Favre has the leverage to veto any trade that GB proposes if he doesn’t like where the trade lands him.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d8094bd7a&template=with-v