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		<title>By: SEANBCOOL</title>
		<link>http://arrowheadaddict.com/2008/07/11/dr-favrenstein-revisted/comment-page-1/#comment-15815</link>
		<dc:creator>SEANBCOOL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 18:47:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Crane, I&#039;m not trying to catch you making a mistake at all.  Why would I do that?  When I asked if &quot;by &#039;Surt&#039; you were referring to &#039;Surtain&#039; &quot; I was clarifying the statement in order to make a valid response.

And &quot;Don&#039;t tell you what to do&quot;?  Are you serious?  How does &quot;Please explain&quot; qualify as me ordering you around?  I honestly don&#039;t understand why you always have to act like this, even when I&#039;m just trying to have a discussion with you about the issue at hand (being Favre).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Crane, I&#8217;m not trying to catch you making a mistake at all.  Why would I do that?  When I asked if &#8220;by &#8216;Surt&#8217; you were referring to &#8216;Surtain&#8217; &#8221; I was clarifying the statement in order to make a valid response.</p>
<p>And &#8220;Don&#8217;t tell you what to do&#8221;?  Are you serious?  How does &#8220;Please explain&#8221; qualify as me ordering you around?  I honestly don&#8217;t understand why you always have to act like this, even when I&#8217;m just trying to have a discussion with you about the issue at hand (being Favre).</p>
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		<title>By: CurtMerzFan</title>
		<link>http://arrowheadaddict.com/2008/07/11/dr-favrenstein-revisted/comment-page-1/#comment-15814</link>
		<dc:creator>CurtMerzFan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 19:05:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>King Carl is having problems coming into the new age of the mega-salary cap NFL. When he came to KC he took over a small market team that HAD to sell out Arrowhead in order to compete with other larger market teams on the playing field. At that time, it not only made sense to be frugal, it was necessary.

For the moment, times have changed - drastically. But the situation is NOT stable with regard to the cap and the CBA with the players union. Specifically rookie contracts are about to be shorn of their zillions in the next CBA. Being cautious with the cap and the FA mkt until the situation becomes clearer is only good business, and necessary for a small market team. Look around the NFL and you&#039;ll see the other small market teams are doing likewise except for MN who is desperately trying to get a new stadium financed by taxpayers. They&#039;re down to their last chance to get political support, so they&#039;re selling out the future to win now. If they fail, they have to move and will go to a bigger mkt who can support their new fiscal situation.

While teams are now in the world of trillion dollar TV deals and they have to spend 60% of revenue on player contracts, KC is STILL a small market team with their total revenue currently in decline based on season ticket sales.

The small market facet of managing the Chiefs future stability is not going to change, and while I expect the 60% of revenue number for the cap is forged in stone, I can see why King Carl is hedging his bets with who he hands out the keys to the kingom to.

I&#039;m not mincing my words on King Carl at all. Fact is, I dont think he gets the credit he deserves for the overall quality of job he&#039;s done. If you&#039;ve ever been the main man in a business venture, you learn pretty damn quick you cannot do things by yourself. Learning this, you realize your job is to become a team builder, and in order to do that, you HAVE to give the folks you hire the lattitude to make decisions - aka mistakes. Is Carl ultimately accountable for the mistakes his hires make. Sure he is, but you cannot slam the man&#039;s process just because his hires screwed the pooch.

The one really big thing I would hope Carl can learn is how desperately important it is to get high picks signed early. Several of the busts we&#039;ve had with high picks might have done much better on the field if they&#039;d been signed early. It&#039;s pretty clear to the whole world Dorsey is going to get a zillion dollar contract with about 25 million guaranteed. Nothing is going to change that. With KC&#039;s cap situation, Carl might as well step up now as later.

People slam CP for Tait and other FA/trade fiascos, but they dont give him the same amount of ink for his successes. Fact is, Tait was a panty-waste, bean-counting prude who should NEVER have been on the field with real men.

This aside, no GM hits on every contract, and neither does Carl. What Carl has done well is hire talented men to run the football side, and then supported them and their philosophies to the nth degree - and no boss can do more. I wish I&#039;d had more bosses like that in my lifetime. Did he screw the pooch on some coaching hires? Hindsight is 20/20 so it&#039;s hard to say they were wrong at the time. Did King Carl do his best to hire the best and win on the field. I have to say that question gets answered with a resounding YES. I haven&#039;t forgotten the 20 years of dark ages before he came to KC.

Regardless of costs, it&#039;s blindingly apparent we are NOT going to develop a franchise QB by trading for castoffs or signing FA guys to their 2nd contract. The only way we&#039;re going to make this work is to draft a guy and deal with his learning curve. If we&#039;re going to go that way, we have to find a guy who can make all the throws, and is fundamentally a man of high character. I think Brodie fits both requirements. Does he develope into a top QB? Only Brodie can write that story. If he does, I&#039;m sure Carl will pay him the going rate - and not a halfpenney more!

Crane Says:

The safe route is the CHEAP route. QB is the most expensive position, potentially for the most years.

It kills him to write big checks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>King Carl is having problems coming into the new age of the mega-salary cap NFL. When he came to KC he took over a small market team that HAD to sell out Arrowhead in order to compete with other larger market teams on the playing field. At that time, it not only made sense to be frugal, it was necessary.</p>
<p>For the moment, times have changed &#8211; drastically. But the situation is NOT stable with regard to the cap and the CBA with the players union. Specifically rookie contracts are about to be shorn of their zillions in the next CBA. Being cautious with the cap and the FA mkt until the situation becomes clearer is only good business, and necessary for a small market team. Look around the NFL and you&#8217;ll see the other small market teams are doing likewise except for MN who is desperately trying to get a new stadium financed by taxpayers. They&#8217;re down to their last chance to get political support, so they&#8217;re selling out the future to win now. If they fail, they have to move and will go to a bigger mkt who can support their new fiscal situation.</p>
<p>While teams are now in the world of trillion dollar TV deals and they have to spend 60% of revenue on player contracts, KC is STILL a small market team with their total revenue currently in decline based on season ticket sales.</p>
<p>The small market facet of managing the Chiefs future stability is not going to change, and while I expect the 60% of revenue number for the cap is forged in stone, I can see why King Carl is hedging his bets with who he hands out the keys to the kingom to.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not mincing my words on King Carl at all. Fact is, I dont think he gets the credit he deserves for the overall quality of job he&#8217;s done. If you&#8217;ve ever been the main man in a business venture, you learn pretty damn quick you cannot do things by yourself. Learning this, you realize your job is to become a team builder, and in order to do that, you HAVE to give the folks you hire the lattitude to make decisions &#8211; aka mistakes. Is Carl ultimately accountable for the mistakes his hires make. Sure he is, but you cannot slam the man&#8217;s process just because his hires screwed the pooch.</p>
<p>The one really big thing I would hope Carl can learn is how desperately important it is to get high picks signed early. Several of the busts we&#8217;ve had with high picks might have done much better on the field if they&#8217;d been signed early. It&#8217;s pretty clear to the whole world Dorsey is going to get a zillion dollar contract with about 25 million guaranteed. Nothing is going to change that. With KC&#8217;s cap situation, Carl might as well step up now as later.</p>
<p>People slam CP for Tait and other FA/trade fiascos, but they dont give him the same amount of ink for his successes. Fact is, Tait was a panty-waste, bean-counting prude who should NEVER have been on the field with real men.</p>
<p>This aside, no GM hits on every contract, and neither does Carl. What Carl has done well is hire talented men to run the football side, and then supported them and their philosophies to the nth degree &#8211; and no boss can do more. I wish I&#8217;d had more bosses like that in my lifetime. Did he screw the pooch on some coaching hires? Hindsight is 20/20 so it&#8217;s hard to say they were wrong at the time. Did King Carl do his best to hire the best and win on the field. I have to say that question gets answered with a resounding YES. I haven&#8217;t forgotten the 20 years of dark ages before he came to KC.</p>
<p>Regardless of costs, it&#8217;s blindingly apparent we are NOT going to develop a franchise QB by trading for castoffs or signing FA guys to their 2nd contract. The only way we&#8217;re going to make this work is to draft a guy and deal with his learning curve. If we&#8217;re going to go that way, we have to find a guy who can make all the throws, and is fundamentally a man of high character. I think Brodie fits both requirements. Does he develope into a top QB? Only Brodie can write that story. If he does, I&#8217;m sure Carl will pay him the going rate &#8211; and not a halfpenney more!</p>
<p>Crane Says:</p>
<p>The safe route is the CHEAP route. QB is the most expensive position, potentially for the most years.</p>
<p>It kills him to write big checks.</p>
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		<title>By: Crane</title>
		<link>http://arrowheadaddict.com/2008/07/11/dr-favrenstein-revisted/comment-page-1/#comment-15813</link>
		<dc:creator>Crane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 17:59:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PS I agree with Zach.  Our line is far too shoddy to protect a 34 year old let alone a 38 year old.  Farve might as well throw himself in front of a semi rather than be behind our line.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PS I agree with Zach.  Our line is far too shoddy to protect a 34 year old let alone a 38 year old.  Farve might as well throw himself in front of a semi rather than be behind our line.</p>
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		<title>By: Crane</title>
		<link>http://arrowheadaddict.com/2008/07/11/dr-favrenstein-revisted/comment-page-1/#comment-15812</link>
		<dc:creator>Crane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 17:56:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re reaching trying to catch me making some mistake...with &quot;Surt&quot;.  Who else could that possibly be?  Oh, and don&#039;t tell me what to do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re reaching trying to catch me making some mistake&#8230;with &#8220;Surt&#8221;.  Who else could that possibly be?  Oh, and don&#8217;t tell me what to do.</p>
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		<title>By: Zach</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 17:40:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and remember the Browns are going to have to make a  decision about Anderson or Quinn next year.

I think we just need to wait this year and see how it goes. I think most people would agree that we are not making the playoffs this year. Could Favre change that, possibly, but I still think we have to many questions on the OL and in our secondary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and remember the Browns are going to have to make a  decision about Anderson or Quinn next year.</p>
<p>I think we just need to wait this year and see how it goes. I think most people would agree that we are not making the playoffs this year. Could Favre change that, possibly, but I still think we have to many questions on the OL and in our secondary.</p>
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		<title>By: Butter</title>
		<link>http://arrowheadaddict.com/2008/07/11/dr-favrenstein-revisted/comment-page-1/#comment-15810</link>
		<dc:creator>Butter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 13:24:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah but if we are going to spend some doe in free agency why not go after a young quarterback with some upside.  The fact is we are rebuilding.....everyone has accepted that.  You have to remember just how old Favre is, and that he will retire in probably 3 years max.  That leaves us with a cadre of players in their prime.....and the one position where we need leadership more than any other we are back searching for the answer.

My position here is not based on Croyle at all.  I think he is going to work out, but if he pisses down his leg again this year at least we know where we stand, and we go into 2009 with a clear cut priority, where as if we bring in an aging veteran who then retires.....then where do you go?  Adam you mention about spending dough in free agency too, but if we are going to do that why not bring in 2nd contract players, or even a quarterback (quinn anderson has been mentioned).

Bottom line...Favre makes us instantly better in 2008 and 2009, and maybe in 2009 could make a run into the playoffs, but thats not good enough, thats the same philosophy....bring people in and win quick....that has hampered this franchise for the entire time I have been a fan.  To win in the NFL you need to build a team that can compete year after year.  The pats had one of the best teams in history last year and still didn&#039;t bring home the trophy...and how many years have the colts been a pretty good football team....one title.  I want a quarterback thats going to be the man for 10 years...and Croyle probably isn&#039;t that guy(it is possible though if he gets a line and can survive a season)....but neither is Favre.

It was cool seeing Montana in a Chiefs uniform, and they were in contention....once.  Bottom line we have been down that road many times before, and its time to go a different direction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah but if we are going to spend some doe in free agency why not go after a young quarterback with some upside.  The fact is we are rebuilding&#8230;..everyone has accepted that.  You have to remember just how old Favre is, and that he will retire in probably 3 years max.  That leaves us with a cadre of players in their prime&#8230;..and the one position where we need leadership more than any other we are back searching for the answer.</p>
<p>My position here is not based on Croyle at all.  I think he is going to work out, but if he pisses down his leg again this year at least we know where we stand, and we go into 2009 with a clear cut priority, where as if we bring in an aging veteran who then retires&#8230;..then where do you go?  Adam you mention about spending dough in free agency too, but if we are going to do that why not bring in 2nd contract players, or even a quarterback (quinn anderson has been mentioned).</p>
<p>Bottom line&#8230;Favre makes us instantly better in 2008 and 2009, and maybe in 2009 could make a run into the playoffs, but thats not good enough, thats the same philosophy&#8230;.bring people in and win quick&#8230;.that has hampered this franchise for the entire time I have been a fan.  To win in the NFL you need to build a team that can compete year after year.  The pats had one of the best teams in history last year and still didn&#8217;t bring home the trophy&#8230;and how many years have the colts been a pretty good football team&#8230;.one title.  I want a quarterback thats going to be the man for 10 years&#8230;and Croyle probably isn&#8217;t that guy(it is possible though if he gets a line and can survive a season)&#8230;.but neither is Favre.</p>
<p>It was cool seeing Montana in a Chiefs uniform, and they were in contention&#8230;.once.  Bottom line we have been down that road many times before, and its time to go a different direction.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 04:28:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Two years from now, though? Joe didn&#039;t have this good of a supporting cast of skills players around him on offense. Actually, nowhere near as good. And are defense is going to be pretty damn good if we can get some respectable play out of our corners. I see no reason why the Chiefs couldn&#039;t be serious contenders in 2009, especially if we spent some dough in free agency. This is the age of parity, after all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two years from now, though? Joe didn&#8217;t have this good of a supporting cast of skills players around him on offense. Actually, nowhere near as good. And are defense is going to be pretty damn good if we can get some respectable play out of our corners. I see no reason why the Chiefs couldn&#8217;t be serious contenders in 2009, especially if we spent some dough in free agency. This is the age of parity, after all.</p>
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		<title>By: atlsean</title>
		<link>http://arrowheadaddict.com/2008/07/11/dr-favrenstein-revisted/comment-page-1/#comment-15809</link>
		<dc:creator>atlsean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 03:28:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even if we knew today that Brodie is a bust, I would still say no on Favre.  A one or two year band aid on the QB position does nothing at this point.  Unfortunately, we don&#039;t have the offensive line, complimentary (proven) receivers past D-Bowe, and seasoned defense (especially the secondary) to make it a worthwhile proposition.  Montana inherited a top 5 defense and passable offense when we brought him in, with QB being arguably our biggest need.  That&#039;s just not the case right now.  As much as I hate to admit it, we&#039;ve got to ride out this rebuilding for at least another year or two.  I do think if Brodie flops, we have shots at a good QB either via trade (Brady Quinn if Anderson proves out for another year) or via the draft (I think realistically we will be in the #5-#10 range on our pick next year).  I&#039;m praying that Brodie pans out, because if we have to draft a QB, that just puts us another couple of years behind in our goal of being a relevant team again.  I&#039;d hate to see D-Bowe going into his free agency year three years from now knowing he doesn&#039;t have a proven arm to throw to him.  I think it&#039;s a pipe dream to assume Favre could take us to the promised land, even next season.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even if we knew today that Brodie is a bust, I would still say no on Favre.  A one or two year band aid on the QB position does nothing at this point.  Unfortunately, we don&#8217;t have the offensive line, complimentary (proven) receivers past D-Bowe, and seasoned defense (especially the secondary) to make it a worthwhile proposition.  Montana inherited a top 5 defense and passable offense when we brought him in, with QB being arguably our biggest need.  That&#8217;s just not the case right now.  As much as I hate to admit it, we&#8217;ve got to ride out this rebuilding for at least another year or two.  I do think if Brodie flops, we have shots at a good QB either via trade (Brady Quinn if Anderson proves out for another year) or via the draft (I think realistically we will be in the #5-#10 range on our pick next year).  I&#8217;m praying that Brodie pans out, because if we have to draft a QB, that just puts us another couple of years behind in our goal of being a relevant team again.  I&#8217;d hate to see D-Bowe going into his free agency year three years from now knowing he doesn&#8217;t have a proven arm to throw to him.  I think it&#8217;s a pipe dream to assume Favre could take us to the promised land, even next season.</p>
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		<title>By: SEANBCOOL</title>
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		<dc:creator>SEANBCOOL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 20:29:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JASON:

Some teams (like the Redskins) go over the cap, bu the way it&#039;s set up that will bite those teams in the ass later on down the road.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JASON:</p>
<p>Some teams (like the Redskins) go over the cap, bu the way it&#8217;s set up that will bite those teams in the ass later on down the road.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 20:05:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And who knows? Maybe he will want another $10 M-plus payday? Hard to say what the guy is thinking as of right now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And who knows? Maybe he will want another $10 M-plus payday? Hard to say what the guy is thinking as of right now.</p>
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