Dr. Favrenstein: Chiefs, Peterson Interested In Favre?
Scoff, blow this off, call me a rumor whore. Whatever…
And let me first state that the likelihood of this happening is extremely slim, if not non-existent, but…
If the Brett Favre wants to come back and if the Green Bay Packers don’t want him, I do. I’m pretty sure Carl “Consecutive Sellout Streak” Peterson would be interested, too. After all, this is the same guy who once orchestrated a trade for an aging Joe Montana. This is the same guy who before this year never, ever invested a single season in a homegrown quarterback project. Can you, with a straight face, honestly say that you’d be upset if King Carl and the Chiefs delayed the Brodie Croyle project in favor of Favre?
This isn’t completely baseless speculation either. Check out what Adam Schefter said about our interest:
NFL Network’s Adam Schefter suggest the Jets, Chiefs, and Ravens as possible landing spots if the Packers decide to trade Brett Favre.
Some people are obviously sick of Brett’s comeback carosel, and others are simply chalking the buzz up to stupid ESPN wanting its boy back. And then, of course, Brett is denying this, even though rumor has it that he’s demanded his release. Personally, I kind of feel like Brett was pushed out by the Pack. I think the guy can still play, and if that is his desire then the Pack owes it to him to find a spot for him on an NFL field, either in Green Bay or elsewhere. After all, did any player ever give more to an NFL franchise? Still, all of this is contingent on the validity of the rumor that Favre is seriously interested in making a comeback. All of this could just be a result of ESPN’s rampant rumor mongering.
Nonetheless, I think we should definitely be interested in the unlikely event that Favre comes back and the Packers decide to trade him. I think he’s the one guy who could deal with our offensive line woes and make us a playoff contender, giving us at least a shot at winning eight, nine, maybe even 10 games.
What does everybody else think about the longshot proposition of the Chiefs trading for Brett Favre?
Recent Posts...
A.A.D.Q.: "Bonecrushing" LB? by Adam
A Reunion With Al And Trent by Adam
Fire Priefer! by Adam
Not Feely So Good by Adam
Slim to none…and slim just left the building.
But hey I had fun making the image and it is at least something fun to talk about. Maybe even bring up a few Montana stories
July 3rd, 2008 at 12:27 pmWow. So are you saying that we are ONE player away from contending for the playoffs Adam? I don’t see any one player, even Favre, taking the Chiefs from a 6-10 record next year (which is being optimistic) to 9-7 or 10-6 and possibly getting into the playoffs.
July 3rd, 2008 at 12:27 pmI think we’d have a shot at 8-8 or 9-7 and at least contending for a playoff game with Brett if we defended our home turf like we usually do. I think we could damn near win out at home with him.
And, yes, that’s how big of a gap I believe there is in between Brodie and Brett. Also, QB is the most important position, I’ve always felt that.
That’s all I’m going to say as I’m trying to avoid any more Brodie banter. Really, this is just fun speculation. But I do think there is a chance that Brett comes back and ends up wearing a different uni. It’s remote, but it could happen. The Pack seems set on Aaron Rodgers.
July 3rd, 2008 at 12:31 pmThis has definitely got my mind racing. I do think Favre would bring good veteran leadership and significantly increase our chances of winning. I just don’t see the Pack letting him go to another team. It would alienate their core fan base.
July 3rd, 2008 at 12:36 pmFirst off, this is a non-story since Favre has come out and said there is no truth to the story that he is coming out of retirement.
But on the other issues:
Joe Montana was brought to the Chiefs when they were a contending team and, as I recall, led us to a missed Lin Elliot field goal away from the Super Bowl.
As far as Carl being responsible for not drafting and developing our own quarterback, it has been said a million times that it is because the coaches did not WANT a young QB. Schottenheimer wanted older veterans and Vermeil who only planned to be here 3 or 4 years certainly did not want to take time out to develop one. So lets stop talking like this one is Carls fault.
Would I take Favre for a season or two? HELL NO. Favre is a GREAT future Hall of Fame QB. But bringing him in while this team is rebuilding would be WORTHLESS. Unlike when we brought Joe Montana in, the Chiefs are nowhere near being a contending team. Could the current Chiefs offense with Brett Favre have an above .500 record? Possibly. Could they beat the Patriots or Colts? NO.
We need to be developing our OWN franchise QB. If it turns out Croyle isnt the answer this year, we will need to keep looking for someone else. But we do NOT need to bring in a fan pleasing Brett Favre that will hurt the team long term.
July 3rd, 2008 at 12:45 pmI agree. Let’s not get too serious here. This is just fun off-season speculation.
While it would be AWESOME to see Favre in a Chiefs jersey I don’t think it would be worth it.
1. I doubt the rest of the team is good enough at this point to really get us anywhere.
2. I’m betting the trade would seriously cripple our drafting for the next couple of years, when we need it most.
Don’t get me wrong, though. I’m sure I’d piss myself and run around like a little girl if it actually did happen.
BTW - Great pic Zach!
July 3rd, 2008 at 12:52 pmI’ve actually been thinking about this too. Though I can almost guarantee that Favre won’t be back in the NFL, if he were to come back I would want him. No question.
First of all, I love Brett Favre. Second of all, he led the NFL’s YOUNGEST TEAM within a field goal of the Super Bowl last year, so those of you saying he wouldn’t help our team enough to make it into the playoffs are just plain wrong. Third, why not pick up a veteran like Favre and sit Brodie another year? Brett Favre’s presence can only help our young quarterback, even if he’s just on the team for a year or two!
I want him. I don’t care what anyone else says. There would be nothing bad about the situation at all.
July 3rd, 2008 at 12:59 pmAnother point:
Brett Favre wouldn’t even be terribly expensive. He has 2 years max left in the tank. The Packers would be laughing their way to the bank if they picked up anything less than about a 4th round pick for him.
Also, I don’t think the Ravens would be interested. They’ve drafted a QB each of the past two years, and it’s looking like Flacco may work out pretty quickly.
July 3rd, 2008 at 1:06 pmFavre had a resurgence last year, but before that, he hurt the team about as much as he helped it. He throws it up for grabs way too often, and even if we did get him, how can we even be certain that he doesn’t revert to his old ways. The two years before last year, he had a rating right around 70. That is very Croylesque. I think getting him would be a big gamble on way too many levels. No more quick fixes. By the way DJ, Carl hired those coaches, and he ultimately makes the personnel decisions. So yes, it is his fault.
July 3rd, 2008 at 1:15 pmWe should be thinking about who our QB is going to be in a couple years, and Favre would not be that. And in all likelihood, Brodie will not be that either. So, the search continues….
Wait a second, I mean LET THE SEARCH BEGIN
and no Tyler Thigpen, you can’t be in the search. Makes me almost want to root for another high pick (i.e. bad season) and HOPE we draft a qb before round 3 (what a novel idea!), or get a YOUNG QB via free agency. Man we are hapless.
July 3rd, 2008 at 1:49 pmIt can’t be a gamble if you aren’t spending much on him. It’s not like we’d have to pay a premium for a 38-year-old QB who’s been toying with retirement for the past 5 years.
July 3rd, 2008 at 2:02 pmJump on Croyle all you want, as he is no Tom Brady type player.. But give him some time, jesus. Look no farther than last years Super Bowl to see what happens to even the greatest of QB’s when their line doesn’t block. We had arguably the worst O-line in franchise history, we had practically no run game, and our number 1 WR went down with injury in the first game of the season. Not exactly typical situations. Let LJ get back, start dominating again, behind a ‘decent’ not ‘horrid’ O-line, D-Bowe and TG garnering double teams, and voila, we’ve got something there. If Brodie STILL can’t hack it, then yeah, we boot his ass… But let’s not get hasty. Although I wish we still had Hasty. >.<
July 3rd, 2008 at 2:05 pmSEANBCOOL, bringing in Favre means the end of the Croyle era. You didn’t want to write him off before. Why the sudden shift? If a veteran is brought in that would kill any little bit of confidence Croyle has. I’m tired of quick fixes, and it’s obvious that management is as well. And Schmuck, just because a QB is drafted in the first round doesn’t mean they will be worth a damn. Lots of gems develop out of the late rounds. QB is the hardest position to scout and quantify, there are just too many intangible attributes.
July 3rd, 2008 at 2:11 pmLook at the can of worms we opened
July 3rd, 2008 at 2:13 pmAdam, your forcing me to almost defend Brodie now.
July 3rd, 2008 at 2:16 pmThat is one voyage I can’t make with you, brother.
July 3rd, 2008 at 2:29 pmI am just wondering what the response will be on here if Croyle somehow stays healthy and throws for 3000 yards with 18 TD and 12 INT. Will the anti-Croyle posters suddenly like him? Or will it be a “glass half-empty” thing and will they then claim he’s good but not good enough to get to the SB? I am not sure about him yet, but I just think a lot of people use awfully strong language about him and his ability considering he hasn’t even started 10 games yet. Of course the Raider fans want to put Jamarcus Russell in the HOF already, but I would hope we would be smarter than them.
July 3rd, 2008 at 2:57 pmQuestion: With Run-Run-Pass-Punt SOLARI gone, how will our offense perform, regardless of who is QB? Oh but wait, with all of the broken plays with no offensive line, Favre would be perfect!
July 3rd, 2008 at 3:02 pmMaine, this is one instance where I’d rather be wrong and get what I want than right and not. If Brodie succeeds we will be the first ones to say we were wrong and congratulate him. No questions asked. At the same time, if he flops don’t expect us not to say I told you so.
Not another word on Brodie. Just wanted to clarify that we are not rooting against him, and are not above admitting we were wrong if need be.
July 3rd, 2008 at 3:13 pmAlso if you look at mine, Stevens and Merlins statements we have never really said anything bad. I have said its 50-50 or less, but have never stated anything worse. The only other thing I did was point out his injuries.
July 3rd, 2008 at 3:41 pmZach’s right, I shouldn’t include anyone else with me, and I won’t. I’ve predicted that Brodie will flop, and believe he will. If I’m wrong, then I’ll be pleasantly surprised and admit that I was wrong. You can count on that. As the lead voice of A.A., I just don’t think it would be prudent for me to sit on the fence on Brodie or anything else. So, again, I’m not rooting for him to fail, just giving my honest assertion of Croyle. If he has a great year I’ll be ecstatic. Hope that clarifies everything on Brodie once and for all.
July 3rd, 2008 at 5:01 pm@ thebryman: Bringing in Favre would NOT mean the end of the “Croyle era”. That doesn’t even make sense. Was keeping favre around the end of the “Rodgers era” in Green Bay? No. It gave him time to sit and learn from the greatest QB of all time. All I’m saying is that Brodie would benefit from that, while simultaneously the Chiefs would have a more-than-proven veteran presence in our biggest question area.
July 4th, 2008 at 12:33 pmBringing in Favre would ruin Brodie’s confidence? How, exactly? He’s the same type of QB that Brett is.. A gunslinger. He’s not as good (but learning from him sure would help!) and judging from the crop of QB’s that have come from behind Favre, most notably, Matt Hasselbeck (in my mind) he’s not a half-bad teacher. The end of Brodie Croyle? I think it’d be the biggest step up in Brodie’s young career. Case in point- would you rather learn from Brett Favre, or Damon Huard? No offense to Damon, but it’s a no-brainer.
July 4th, 2008 at 1:26 pmSEANBCOOL,
That was a terrible argument to my point. This isn’t Madden. You completely ignore the human element when you bring in a veteran QB when you supposedly have someone the team is behind. If you think that Brodie would just shrug off a demotion at this point, I want some of what your smoking.
As for your Rodgers argument, that comparison holds absolutely no weight. It’s apples to oranges. When Rodgers was drafted, he wasn’t drafted to play right off the bat, he was drafted to learn from the most overrated quarterback of all time. He isn’t gonna have his confidence killed by sitting on the bench when that is what he was expected to do.
The big difference is that Brodie is being touted by king Carl, as well as Herm, as well as players, as the guy that can get it done. Confidence is a huge part of being a QB, when you lose your job after being talked up, you don’t just rebound. Like I’ve said before, being a quarterback isn’t about stats, and it’s not about measurables. The great quarterbacks have something intangible, and immense confidence is one of those intangible attributes.
I can think of one example easily of this very situation. How about Kyle Boller? He was supposed to be a franchise QB, and he even had some of the same excuses Brodie can use now. But they brought in Mcnair, who did nothing of real substance for them. The signing of McNair showed everone the team had no faith in Boller. How would it look if Favre was brought in? I’ll tell you, it would look like they have no faith in Brodie. SEANBCOOL, you find 1 young QB who was the starter, got his job taken by a veteran that was brought in, and came back to be a solid starter on the team that drafted him, and I’ll give you 50 examples where the original starter never did anything for his original team.
The point I tried to get across in my previous post was that bringing in a veteran is detrimental to a young QB who has started, and is expected to start. Besides whose to say that if things went sour Favre wouldn’t hang it up halfway through the season anyway. You actually think he would want to take punishment on a losing team if we started bad out the gate.
Besides, you have been supporting Brodie so hard, did you suddenly lose your faith?
July 4th, 2008 at 1:30 pmNo, I haven’t lost faith in Brodie. I just think learning from Favre would be the best thing possible for him at this point in his career, especially given the state of our team. You don’t think it’s going to hurt his confidence to lose all season?
And I would think you Brodie-haters would welcome Favre with open arms.
July 4th, 2008 at 1:38 pm@ Bry.. If Brodie’s not mentally tough enough to realize that he pretty much stunk up the joint last year, as an 0 for 6′r starter, and that he needs help… then he’s not really tough enough for this league. The man’s already got 2 shaky knees, if we throw in a bruised ego, and he goes down, then it’s time to move on. If he doens’t leap for joy if we do sign a guy like Brett, so that he can learn and basically mooch all he can off the guy, thus boosting his confidence at the prospect of learning from a Future first ballod hall of famer, then Brodie is just a plain idiot.
Your scenario’s involved veteran QB’s being signed to teams with a young starter who was benched in favor of the veteran, correct? But give us an example of when that happened with a guy who is one of the top ten QB’s in HISTORY? I seem to recall one.. A Joe by the name of Montana. I seem to recall us doing fairly well under said Joe. He’s arguably a Top Ten QB of all time, as well. Maybe your hypothetical situations work, when the veteran is just a so-so guy, but this is the extreme we’re talking about here. The best of the best. Situations are a tad different, agreed?
July 4th, 2008 at 8:23 pmFarve ain’t going anywhere but GB… and if he does it will be a team ready to compete for a Super Bowl this year.
Folks need to give Brodie a break. He’s got the arm, and he’s going to be more than just good. I think there’s a very good chance he will outperform Trent Green by the time he’s done.
Take a long at him off the field: his Dad played in the NFL back when only real men played the game and even kickers would clock your ass on special teams… so he’s got NFL DNA. Also, he’s been raised in very special circumstances - where his family, (all of them) work to run a private school for disadvantaged youth.
Brodie has a real sound character - and I mean with a capital C. He is PRECISELY the kind of man to become a legend in KC the way Lenny Dawson did. I think he’s tough enough, smart enough and resiliant enough to play the game at this level.
VERY few QB’s start as rookies in this league, and fewer still excel - particularly on teams with as poor an Oline as KC had last year. IF LJ bounces back like I think he will, then do not be surprized if KC goes 9-7 and makes the wild card this year. Now get this straight; I’m not predicting that will happen. There’s too many other questions on this team that have to be answered first. I’m just saying it will not surprize me if they turn around faster than anyone thinks is possible.
July 4th, 2008 at 9:28 pmCurtMerzFan:
Favre has reportedly requested his release from Green Bay. Don’t be so sure that he will suit up (if at all) in a Packers uniform this year.
Personally, I don’t believe that Favre will play another down in the NFL. I think he was for real when he said he was done. But the guy has done some pretty unbelievable things in the past.
July 5th, 2008 at 4:05 amWow, this is an intriguing thread complete with Favre love, Brodie bashing, Montana comparing and a dash of dump on Damon. IMO, Favre has a 75% chance of playing this year and a almost 0% chance of playing for the Chiefs. I do not think he would be interested in the Chiefs and I would not be interested in him. IMO, Favre will not come here for two reasons. 1] He will want to start for a team with a chance to win the SB and 2] He will want to run a similar offense to what he ran in GB. The second point is huge. Montana came to the Chiefs because we, at that time, met both of those criteria. Today, we do not meet either one for Favre. To me, this is a non-starter.
Oh, a point about mentoring. If the best players are the best teachers (implied in the Favre will mentor Brodie better than Damon will discussion), then answer this question. How come the best coaches and managers were generally not elite players? You can pick your sport (hint, basketball is your best bet) and find a few. However, by and large this holds true.
July 5th, 2008 at 8:54 amSeanBcool: I agree with you about him being done, but I’m ambivalent about the release rumors - I haven’t seen anyone of the talking heads on ESPN or elsewhere categorically state Bret has really asked for his release.
As to whether or not he would play elsewhere - who really knows what he would do if a contender made a run at him with a passle of cash and were willing to negotiate his rights from the Packers… strange things happen in the world of fantasy cash…
Untimately I suspect you are correct about him staying retired - and not so much by his choice, but because I think he’s probably very intrigued by the prospect of playing again for the fans and teammates in Green Bay. But coming back to play for Bucs or the Falcons or some team in the AFC… I’m pretty sure that doesn’t hold the same kind of fantasy allure for Bret that Green Bay does. The silence coming from Packers mgmt is deafening. I think he’s done.
July 5th, 2008 at 10:55 amAdam… LUV the Dr. Favrenstein art… I was just wondering who the hunchback would be in King Carls LaH-BOR-etory?
July 5th, 2008 at 10:59 amCurt, I can’t take too much credit for the image. It was my concept, but Zach is the one who always brings such visions to fruition with his PhotoShop magic.
I’m thinking Dick Curl has the chops to be Igor. Denny Thum would also have to be up for consideration, as after King Carl he probably cares most about ticket sales in the front office. Plus, he’s kind of goofy. Not gonna lie.
July 5th, 2008 at 1:12 pmMerlinnj, good point; but I think it has more to do with work ethic than elite players. The elite players pour their hearts out for a long time, at a very high level of play. When it comes time to hang up the pads, they either A, have lost the desire to be in the game under any circumstances, B, have enough money that they just don’t want to do anything stressful like coaching, or C, they just don’t want to? It’s not exactly an easy job.. And takes a special kind of guy to stay that long doing everything they have to do. However, the somewhat good players that ended up being just ‘decent’ over their careers, but had an excellent work ethic (Herm Edwards is a good example) end up being able to handle the larger workload. For one, they don’t have enough money to grow fat and lazy with, or they still have the passion for the game, since they didn’t ‘burn themselves out’ like some of the more elite players… That’s about all I can come up with.
July 5th, 2008 at 6:07 pm[...] (besides maybe [and that's maybe] the Oakland Raiders)? Well those same Chiefs are at their inept ways again, this time considering bringing Brett Favre in, instead of giving mop-topped third-year man Brodie [...]
July 8th, 2008 at 8:16 amLombardi Ave’s answer to this (as pinged above)…
http://lombardiave.com/2008/07/08/chiefs-string-of-ineptitude-continues/
July 8th, 2008 at 12:12 pm[...] (besides maybe [and that's maybe] the Oakland Raiders)? Well those same Chiefs are at their inept ways again, this time considering bringing Brett Favre in, instead of giving mop-topped third-year man Brodie [...]
July 8th, 2008 at 12:15 pm[...] the Chiefs, one of the most inept franchises in history. But they can still have fantasies. Like this one. And this one. And finally this [...]
July 14th, 2008 at 5:19 pm