Comments on: What About The Defensive Line? http://arrowheadaddict.com/2008/06/30/what-about-the-defensive-line/ A Kansas City Chiefs Blog, No 12-step program required. Sat, 21 Nov 2009 05:58:56 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: schmuck34 http://arrowheadaddict.com/2008/06/30/what-about-the-defensive-line/comment-page-1/#comment-14175 schmuck34 Tue, 01 Jul 2008 02:53:48 +0000 http://arrowheadaddict.com/?p=1956#comment-14175 Anytime you are relying on rookie and second year players there is absolutely no way to tell how they will perform. The safe money is on worse even if a couple first round talents are slated to start. Do I think Dorsey will be good? Yes. What about Tyler? Yes. What about McBride? Maybe. But there is no way to judge the learning curve of such young players. Add in the fact that who knows when Dorsey will be signed, and how much of camp he may or may not miss, and you've got a pretty wide range of possible results. Anytime you are relying on rookie and second year players there is absolutely no way to tell how they will perform. The safe money is on worse even if a couple first round talents are slated to start. Do I think Dorsey will be good? Yes. What about Tyler? Yes. What about McBride? Maybe. But there is no way to judge the learning curve of such young players. Add in the fact that who knows when Dorsey will be signed, and how much of camp he may or may not miss, and you’ve got a pretty wide range of possible results.

]]> By: xxxlp http://arrowheadaddict.com/2008/06/30/what-about-the-defensive-line/comment-page-1/#comment-14174 xxxlp Tue, 01 Jul 2008 01:19:51 +0000 http://arrowheadaddict.com/?p=1956#comment-14174 Good points lobo, with better, faster linebackers, and a younger, faster (albeit, less experienced) group in the secondary, our D-line doesn't NEED to be spectacular. If they're patient, do their job, and just go hard every play, good things will happen with all the speed and talent we have on the field. Top-ten defense anyone? Add in the fact that our offense will be better (well.. fingers crossed that Albert works out,) and able to hold the ball more than 15-20 minutes a game. I believe we have the foundation set, so that in the next couple years or so, we can be seriously challenging for the AFC West title, the Lamar Trophy a year or two after that, and who knows, maybe even a Lombardi.. or several. The foundation is set; now let's see how the rest of the project comes along. Good points lobo, with better, faster linebackers, and a younger, faster (albeit, less experienced) group in the secondary, our D-line doesn’t NEED to be spectacular. If they’re patient, do their job, and just go hard every play, good things will happen with all the speed and talent we have on the field. Top-ten defense anyone? Add in the fact that our offense will be better (well.. fingers crossed that Albert works out,) and able to hold the ball more than 15-20 minutes a game. I believe we have the foundation set, so that in the next couple years or so, we can be seriously challenging for the AFC West title, the Lamar Trophy a year or two after that, and who knows, maybe even a Lombardi.. or several. The foundation is set; now let’s see how the rest of the project comes along.

]]> By: lobo48 http://arrowheadaddict.com/2008/06/30/what-about-the-defensive-line/comment-page-1/#comment-14173 lobo48 Tue, 01 Jul 2008 00:51:12 +0000 http://arrowheadaddict.com/?p=1956#comment-14173 when you made your point that the d-line would suffer a little cuz of Gunny's work with the linebackers this year; i think that is exactly why they will improve this year. with better support from the linebackers and maybe a few more blitzes from DJ and company ,i think that the line will have less pressure on them and will be able to just go for the ball( whether in the QB's or RB;s hands). i think that with the additions that we have made(more youth and speed oriented) that opposing offenses will have their hands full. and it works both ways. with a better rush from the d-line, the secondary will have an easier time covering receivers and backs and can support the front seven even better. in any case i hope that i am right and we improve in all aspects of the game because i would dearly love to see a 1 and 0 total after the first game of the regular season. i really like coming hame after work and looking on here because i know that i will be amused and encouraged about next season. keep up the great work everyone!! when you made your point that the d-line would suffer a little cuz of Gunny’s work with the linebackers this year; i think that is exactly why they will improve this year. with better support from the linebackers and maybe a few more blitzes from DJ and company ,i think that the line will have less pressure on them and will be able to just go for the ball( whether in the QB’s or RB;s hands). i think that with the additions that we have made(more youth and speed oriented) that opposing offenses will have their hands full. and it works both ways. with a better rush from the d-line, the secondary will have an easier time covering receivers and backs and can support the front seven even better. in any case i hope that i am right and we improve in all aspects of the game because i would dearly love to see a 1 and 0 total after the first game of the regular season.

i really like coming hame after work and looking on here because i know that i will be amused and encouraged about next season. keep up the great work everyone!!

]]> By: stevenh http://arrowheadaddict.com/2008/06/30/what-about-the-defensive-line/comment-page-1/#comment-14172 stevenh Mon, 30 Jun 2008 23:08:39 +0000 http://arrowheadaddict.com/?p=1956#comment-14172 Wow, I tell you what, this is why I love this site. The fans that comment on here are informed, intelligent and trying to submit their honest opinion instead of pissing someone off. I remember the early days of the internet before "blogs" when you just had message boards. I got so mad at the people on there just trying to be funny or just make someone angry. This site and a couple other dedicated to Chiefs football is a wonderful thing, and without sounding too corny, I would like to thank all of you for your thoughts and opinions. Keep up the great work. Wow, I tell you what, this is why I love this site. The fans that comment on here are informed, intelligent and trying to submit their honest opinion instead of pissing someone off. I remember the early days of the internet before “blogs” when you just had message boards. I got so mad at the people on there just trying to be funny or just make someone angry.
This site and a couple other dedicated to Chiefs football is a wonderful thing, and without sounding too corny, I would like to thank all of you for your thoughts and opinions. Keep up the great work.

]]> By: PVChiefsfan http://arrowheadaddict.com/2008/06/30/what-about-the-defensive-line/comment-page-1/#comment-14169 PVChiefsfan Mon, 30 Jun 2008 19:59:37 +0000 http://arrowheadaddict.com/?p=1956#comment-14169 Butter - Good point. Flowers and anybody will be better at run support than Law and Surtain...even though he is small, I think run support and tackling are two of Flowers' strengths. Butter – Good point. Flowers and anybody will be better at run support than Law and Surtain…even though he is small, I think run support and tackling are two of Flowers’ strengths.

]]> By: Adam http://arrowheadaddict.com/2008/06/30/what-about-the-defensive-line/comment-page-1/#comment-14165 Adam Mon, 30 Jun 2008 19:23:01 +0000 http://arrowheadaddict.com/?p=1956#comment-14165 I totally agree on the rotation and Boone presumably not playing outside on obvious passing downs. Great points. As far as who's better than Jared, I'd say Jason Taylor and Dwight Freeney, when healthy. He's right there, though. Last year he might have been the best in the league. Osi is also becoming an absolute beast. Still cracking up over the tequila bug comment! I totally agree on the rotation and Boone presumably not playing outside on obvious passing downs. Great points.

As far as who’s better than Jared, I’d say Jason Taylor and Dwight Freeney, when healthy. He’s right there, though. Last year he might have been the best in the league. Osi is also becoming an absolute beast.

Still cracking up over the tequila bug comment!

]]> By: Double D http://arrowheadaddict.com/2008/06/30/what-about-the-defensive-line/comment-page-1/#comment-14161 Double D Mon, 30 Jun 2008 18:36:37 +0000 http://arrowheadaddict.com/?p=1956#comment-14161 SeanB: Great point about rotation - in fact, I see it as a strength not just of DL, but also for the backers and the secondary. Any team that underestimates the strength of our D will end up paying heavily for it and it's also the biggest reason why I believe we have a legitimate shot at walking away with a "W" in game 1. Maine_Chief: Good in depth analysis of why switching Boone to LDE makes some sense. One thing I'll be for sure be watching closely during the preseason is how well Boone deals with runs to his side. SeanB:
Great point about rotation – in fact, I see it as a strength not just of DL, but also for the backers and the secondary. Any team that underestimates the strength of our D will end up paying heavily for it and it’s also the biggest reason why I believe we have a legitimate shot at walking away with a “W” in game 1.

Maine_Chief: Good in depth analysis of why switching Boone to LDE makes some sense. One thing I’ll be for sure be watching closely during the preseason is how well Boone deals with runs to his side.

]]> By: Butter http://arrowheadaddict.com/2008/06/30/what-about-the-defensive-line/comment-page-1/#comment-14160 Butter Mon, 30 Jun 2008 17:54:07 +0000 http://arrowheadaddict.com/?p=1956#comment-14160 Also forgot, might not see it this year, but with improvement at the corners and safeties from our draft this year (may take time and experience)....that also increases the effectiveness if your line by allowing more help on the run as well as more time to sack the QB. Also forgot, might not see it this year, but with improvement at the corners and safeties from our draft this year (may take time and experience)….that also increases the effectiveness if your line by allowing more help on the run as well as more time to sack the QB.

]]> By: Butter http://arrowheadaddict.com/2008/06/30/what-about-the-defensive-line/comment-page-1/#comment-14159 Butter Mon, 30 Jun 2008 17:51:11 +0000 http://arrowheadaddict.com/?p=1956#comment-14159 I agree that rotation will be key here. I think we will see Boone and Swamp Thang rotate alot with Tank and Edwards at the other tackle spot. I think Turk will get alot of reps at Strong DE and hopefully establish himself as the starter. What I see as incredibly important is that depth that they have built along the line. To get pressure and stuff the run in the 4th quarter to get the ball back and/or close out teams, your down 4 need fresh legs.....period! That didn't happen last year mostly because our offense was so horrible that the D had to be on the field all the time. I think that the number one reason that our d-line will improve has nothing to do with personnel, and everything to do with the offense improving, at least marginally. Sure, we lost One Man Gang who is a great defensive end. But the strides we make on offense because of the draft picks we got from him I think will help keep the defense fresh and more than make up for his departure. Plus...I am cautiously optimistic that in the next couple years with Turk Tank Boone Swamp Thang and Hali for our d-line will be pretty solid and not something that we have to touch early in the draft. Throw in a wildcard like Johnston and lets say he becomes a speed rush threat....and that becomes a pretty scary group....but only if the offense can stay on the field so they all have gas left in the 4th...which hopefully is on its way! I agree that rotation will be key here. I think we will see Boone and Swamp Thang rotate alot with Tank and Edwards at the other tackle spot. I think Turk will get alot of reps at Strong DE and hopefully establish himself as the starter.

What I see as incredibly important is that depth that they have built along the line. To get pressure and stuff the run in the 4th quarter to get the ball back and/or close out teams, your down 4 need fresh legs…..period! That didn’t happen last year mostly because our offense was so horrible that the D had to be on the field all the time. I think that the number one reason that our d-line will improve has nothing to do with personnel, and everything to do with the offense improving, at least marginally.

Sure, we lost One Man Gang who is a great defensive end. But the strides we make on offense because of the draft picks we got from him I think will help keep the defense fresh and more than make up for his departure. Plus…I am cautiously optimistic that in the next couple years with Turk Tank Boone Swamp Thang and Hali for our d-line will be pretty solid and not something that we have to touch early in the draft. Throw in a wildcard like Johnston and lets say he becomes a speed rush threat….and that becomes a pretty scary group….but only if the offense can stay on the field so they all have gas left in the 4th…which hopefully is on its way!

]]> By: PVChiefsfan http://arrowheadaddict.com/2008/06/30/what-about-the-defensive-line/comment-page-1/#comment-14158 PVChiefsfan Mon, 30 Jun 2008 17:34:53 +0000 http://arrowheadaddict.com/?p=1956#comment-14158 Seanbcool - If he recovers from his injuries, I'd say Freeney. His first 4 years he had double-digit sacks every year, so at that point, before he was injured, he was on pace to obliterate Strahan's record...who's to say the injury bug (or possibly the tequila bug) won't bite Allen this season? :) Seanbcool – If he recovers from his injuries, I’d say Freeney. His first 4 years he had double-digit sacks every year, so at that point, before he was injured, he was on pace to obliterate Strahan’s record…who’s to say the injury bug (or possibly the tequila bug) won’t bite Allen this season? :)

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